Mariana Mazzucato
The Visionary
The future, and what is barely possible, reads round the next corner.
Mariana Mazzucato is a prominent economist known for her work on the role of the state in driving innovation and economic growth. This interview reveals her leadership style as one that seeks to inspire and mobilize action towards ambitious goals, particularly in the context of public investment and addressing societal challenges.
“This concept of dynamic capabilities is a much more complex area to be investing in. And the only reason you would do it is if you actually have a theory about government that is more than what traditional economists think about government, which is at best, well, at worst get out of the way, at best fix a market failure.”
“And there as well. You know, if you're going to be doing a merger or downsizing or a massive share of buyback scheme, isn't it great if you have, you know, McKinsey told us to do it? So, also, just not taking on, I mean, it's kind of cowardly, right? Like you're not kind of owning your decisions. I do think it's different in government.”
“Making, you know, having kind of like a user friendly government digital platform that changes the experience of a citizen with those rights that they have through the technology just requires a very different kind of mind shift. And it became the coolest place to work.”
“Exactly. So that's the myth, right? That somehow we're talking about either government does everything, right? Or even nationalize everything, or it does nothing and it privatizes and brings in the consultants. So the truth is obviously somewhere in the middle. So of course, you're absolutely right.”
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