Josh Burns
Macnamara · Australian Labor Party · Australia
“It could go a bit rogue, I'm not exactly sure what's about to happen, but we're going to go through it anyway. I wanted to speak this afternoon at the end of a long sitting period before the winter break about the changes that came in yesterday for paid parental leave.”
“My family came to this country as a mix of migrants and refugees. Some spoke English; some didn't. Some held citizenships; some were stateless. But all of my family understood that the rights, freedoms and opportunities that Australia afforded were precious.”
“It is why we need to make sure that they have access to the basics so they can give everything back to our country—like access to buy their family a home, access to see a doctor and access to world-class education. We don't need to imagine what a monocultural Australia is.”
“Deputy Speaker Claydon, the Manager of Opposition Business is new here; He's still learning the ropes here! We have just passed tax reform through the House of Representatives that will make housing more affordable for younger Australians.”
“Of course, I was quite surprise to open the Australian Fin Review last night and see this headline: 'Greens and Liberals in fresh talks to delay legislation'. The Liberals and the Greens are teaming up together to block tax reform. They're teaming up together to stop young people being able to buy their first home.”
“There is this amazing garden, and I've brought ministers and colleagues there to go and see just how incredible it is. What is really special about the Windsor Community Children's Centre is that it's a community-run early education centre, and the parents and the community of Windsor have really galvanised and gotten behind this campaign…”
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“They worked based not on hours but on an internal desire to be a part of something, to do something for our community and to support me. I couldn't be more proud and appreciative of the efforts of so many people. I'm not going to mention every single person, because I'll forget them, but I cannot give this contribution without mentioning Josh, Alissa, Kitty, Raph, Debra, Adele, Dakota, Sara and Daniel and, of course, the broader campaign committee team of Jane, Jack, John, Mikaela, Libby, David, Robyn, Peter, Madeline, Roman, Barney, Bridget, Jack, Julia and Graham and all of the Labor branches who were street stalling and doorknocking and phone banking.”
“To be re-elected as the member for Macnamara for a third time is the greatest privilege of my working life, and it will be the greatest privilege of my working life. No matter what role I hold in this place, being the member for Macnamara is always the first and most important part of my responsibilities as a member of parliament. I owe a great deal to the incredible people of Macnamara, and I say thank you. The team that we had in our campaign understand the privilege that it is to be involved in politics and how important it is to have these positions representing our community, and they all worked so hard in fighting for that privilege yet again. I would say to my campaign team, my staff and everyone who contributed in our campaign in Macnamara that I watched people take autonomy and ownership over a campaign.”
“Let me say here, in this debate on the address-in-reply, that the most important message I have as part of this contribution is to say thank you to the incredible people of Macnamara. Our little nook of Melbourne is an iconic tourist hotspot that welcomes people in with culture, restaurants and food right across St Kilda, Port Melbourne and Southbank—all of the amazing parts of my electorate that help make Melbourne so iconic and such a wonderful place to visit. But it is also home to local communities and community organisations, including sporting clubs, faith based organisations, civil society organisations and LGBTIQ groups. It is a hub of life, and it represents the very best of Melbourne and the very best of our country.”
“Also, at the time when the MAGA movement was proposing tariffs on Australian products and putting those tariffs on, the coalition were walking around this country wearing hats that said, 'Make Australia great again.' There is absolutely a need for us to remain focused on the Australian people, but it is also incredible that the coalition seem to have not learned any of the lessons from the last election and they spend their weekends at conferences talking about what policy they can put forward to undermine their leader. While that happens, though, we have a job to do, and that is to deliver on the election commitments that we put forward at the last election.”
“After listening to the member for Durack, I would also put forward the fact that what wasn't in her speech was the fact that the coalition came to an election with a policy to invest hundreds of billions of dollars into nuclear energy while refusing to visit the sites where they were proposing to build those nuclear power plants; they had an industrial relations policy, which they scrapped about a month before the election, that was going to force people to stop working from home; they had a defence spending announcement, similar to the one that the member for Durack called for, to lift our defence spending, but they announced it 2½ weeks before the election and couldn't tell us where exactly they proposed to spend the increased defence spending; they wanted to increase taxes on Australians by not supporting our income tax policies; and they did not support the reduction in HECS debt or the range of policies that were going to build housing, including build to rent—they're still trying to oppose those.”
“I would also congratulate the member for Durack on her re-election. It is a very challenging electorate, being so big, but I congratulate her on that. She's right that politics shouldn't be about hubris. It shouldn't be about congratulating oneself. It should be about policy outcomes for the Australian people.”
“The final thing I would say in this debate—and the member for Berowra knows this—is that you only have to walk down the streets of Glen Eira Road and Hotham Street to see the Adass community walking. It is an amazing amalgamation of tradition and modernity walking on the streets. The way that that community has behaved with dignity, class and resilience is exactly the sort of example that I seek to have followed, not making this a cheap political contest, which it should never, ever be.”
“I would also say to those opposite that in somehow diminishing that and making this about the Prime Minister—for goodness sake!—how transparent are your intentions? What did that achieve at the last election? For two years, while October 7th happened and the consequences that were felt by the Jewish community were real and were devastating, instead of trying to sow doubt, you could have been constructive. Be constructive. Come to us with ideas that you think will work, and, if they aren't feasible, then we will give that feedback as well. But don't pretend that just because you say something it means that that has to happen, and don't pretend that there aren't serious considerations that mean you would do exactly the same thing. In nine years, those opposite didn't list the IRGC as a terrorist organisation. They did not do that.”
“I would say to those opposite: imagine if, today, you came into this place and said, 'Actually, we are here to support the government; we're not going to try and pretend that a Senate committee recommending to list an entire military operation connected to the ayatollahs of Iran which has 125,000 members is somehow an adequate piece of advice for the Australian government to list the IRGC.' No. It takes security advice compiled by ASIO and other security agencies for the Australian government to reach that threshold, as is appropriate. It is not appropriate that we would take the advice from a Senate committee that's not set up by or invested in government security agencies. It is appropriate that we do it with the full cooperation of people who have information that is not privy to every single member of this House.”
“There are people from the Iranian community who I was on the phone to when Israel and Iran were at war who were so frightened for their families seeking to leave that country, and I had to tell those people, 'We are trying, but it is very hard because we just don't have enough resources on the ground.' Imagine what we are telling that community and those people right now, today—that we have pulled Australian representation out of that country. The things that we are doing are not just for the political benefit of the House of Representatives to go and put it on a media release or on a social media platform. These are real and hard decisions that we have to weigh up—all the different things that affect so many different communities and Australians that we seek to protect.”
“It does nothing, though, to bring motions into this place to try to sow doubt in the minds of the people that we are seeking to protect and have taken unprecedented steps this week to protect in the interests of not just the Jewish community but all Australians. To then somehow say that this government isn't taking seriously the scourge of antisemitism, what does that achieve in this place right now? When we take the unprecedented step, for the first time since World War II, of expelling the Iranian diplomatic representation in Australia and we announce our intention to list the IRGC as a terrorist organisation, that is not the end of the matter. There are Iranian Australians who are thinking about their families in Iran right now.”
“For the last few years, I have lived the change and the targeting of my community. I have lived and woken up to pictures on my phone of my own office being set alight. There isn't a day that goes by that doesn't have images of either me, my colleagues or my community online with the worst connotations and the worst sort of bigotry and blood libels attached to our community. This is a complicated and wicked problem that for too many people has risen to the surface of our society due to tensions that are going on on the other side of the world. It is difficult to manage; there is no doubt. What is required is diligence and a focus on the issues to try to work through ways in which we can combat them in the best way forward. That is a difficult task, and I'd be lying if I said it wasn't.”
“This side of the House wants people to get into the housing market, and those opposite are only interested in undermining the Leader of the Opposition.”
“You've got to go to Liberal Party conferences around the country, or you've got to go and listen to what the shadow ministers are saying because they're the ones who are really dictating the policies of those sitting opposite. There's one person who's been very busy, and he's been commenting on our five per cent home deposit scheme. This person called it 'absolute insanity'; that's fighting words from them. They even called it 'a crazy idea that the nation can't afford'. Who was that? It wasn't the Leader of the Opposition. It was the Liberal spokesperson for housing. Australians are voting in their droves, because on Monday thousands of Australians visited the Housing Australia website to try and get some information about our five per cent home deposit scheme. They know this side of the House backs first home buyers.”
“The member for Wannon is still going. Take a seat man; have an aspirin. It was the good old days when the Liberal Party used to support first home buyers. In 2019, the previous member for Deakin said that it can take up to 10 years to save for a full 20 per cent deposit. There was also another person who said: …anything that encourages young people to save for their first home—or, in fact, save at all—has got to be a good thing. That was, in fact, Sussan Ley, the Leader of the Opposition, back in 2008. She also said: 'First home buyers are finding it harder to borrow money in 2023.' But you can't listen to the Leader of the Opposition to work out what their policies are.”
“My question is to the Prime Minister. How is the Albanese Labor government delivering on its commitment to help more young Australians and first home buyers realise the dream of homeownership, and what is standing in the way?”
“Our homes matter, our constituents' homes matter, and the homes of people who have situations in their life that might change in an instant through no fault of their own really matter. It's our job to be builders not blockers. Builders not blockers—that should be the philosophy and the guiding principle of this place, and I would say to anyone who is considering being a blocker, as there were a few blockheads in the previous parliament, 'Now is the time to put away that sort of attitude and get onboard,' because every single home matters. Every Australian deserves a safe and secure place to call home, and every Australian deserves to feel safe at the end of the day.”
“Often, through no fault of their own, they've come into circumstances where they require a home. This government and our parliament need to be there for them. We need to come to this place with the attitude of how we can do more, how we can invest in more and how we can be the people who are building homes for the future. I congratulate the member for Bradfield for coming to this place and putting forward positive suggestions. It's absolutely what we should all be doing. I look forward to working with her and anyone else in this parliament—especially our outstanding minister, who cares deeply about ensuring that every Australian has a safe place to go home to. But make no mistake. Ultimately every single home matters.”
“When you think about social housing and people who require social housing and when you combine policies like the Housing Australia Future Fund, the NIF and many of the other things that Housing Australia is managing, they are the houses, the homes and the refuges that Australians rely on. They are the homes that are relied on by people who are looking to this place and looking to their government to ensure that they have a safe place. That is why we have that policy. You look at all of the different things that we are doing to try and help first-home buyers and people who are renting to have a better deal and to make sure that there aren't no-fault evictions. It's to make sure that people who, for whatever period in their life, need a safe place to go to—their home isn't safe or for whatever reason—have one.”
“What do you care about?' Many hundreds of people came back to me and said, 'We'd love to be able to buy our first home.' That's why we are committed to building 100,000 homes across the country that will be available only for first-home buyers, and they won't be competing with investors or developers. When you look at renters across the country, people who are in that period in their life where renting is what they want to do, we want to make sure that those tenures are secure. We want to make sure that renting is available and it's affordable for people, and that's why we're giving tax breaks for the construction of 80,000 rental properties to ensure that there are more options across the country for people who are renting.”
“It makes a big difference to the people that the member for Bradfield is talking about as to why we need to be in here building as many homes as possible. It's why we have set up policies that are going to be there supporting organisations for not just this year but decades to come. It's why we need to continuously be asking ourselves what we can do to help build more. When it comes to first-home buyers, I remember speaking to thousands of people across my electorate. During the election campaign, people would come up, and you'd ask that question: 'What matters to you?”
“We now have two fantastic members for Deakin and Griffith in this place replacing the two blockers from the last parliament—two people who were the housing spokespeople for the Liberal Party and the Greens who, together with their numbers in the Senate, held up the Housing Australia Future Fund and held every single piece of housing policy that we had including the build-to-rent program and the tax breaks that they are now trying to scrap via a resolution in the Senate. They were, at every turn, blockers, not builders. We need to take a different approach. Every single home matters. It's easy for people in this chamber to stop the construction of houses. It makes a big difference to those who get the keys.”
“I would urge them, in the interests of those people, to take this moment, consider their position and turn it around. If the last election taught us anything, it's that Australians know how serious this challenge is and they want builders, not blockers. Australians know that, in terms of housing, we need to be builders, not blockers. If you want to know the best evidence of that, the people who tried to block housing policy in this place are no longer here.”
“For the next 25 years, for all of the contracts under the Housing Australia Future Fund, it is essential that this parliament—across both sides of the chamber, no matter who is in government—supports this program. The member for Bradfield makes an extremely valid point—that we need to constantly look at ways to expand it. Absolutely. But I would say to each and every member in this chamber that we need to also protect the policies out there supporting Australians who are living in social housing. For the coalition to have a policy to scrap the HAFF is not only dangerous, it is cruel and it would put thousands of Australians on the streets as well as make organisations who are doing incredible work default on their ability to manage their finances.”
“It is still the policy of the coalition and the opposition to scrap the Housing Australia Future Fund. Make no mistake: the consequence of that would mean every single program funded under the HAFF would have their funding cut and contracts broken. It would leave thousands of homes without funding. It would leave organisations and community housing organisations completely bankrupt. It would mean that, across the country, thousands and thousands of people—families, and women and children fleeing domestic violence—would have the funding that helps support their housing completely cut off. It is so serious that those opposite need to take this moment to reflect on their policy position on the Housing Australia Future Fund. This is a policy that needs to be embedded into this parliament and into governing in Australia.”
“The fund is responsible for the construction and development of thousands of homes around the country, and it is done on a basis where there are monthly grants or availability payments made to organisations. Now, why do I make this point? The whole model behind the Housing Australia Future Fund is not just to provide low-interest loans to help cover the cost of construction; it's to help organisations pay off those loans over a period of time. Most of the contracts are done over a 25-year period. So, for the next 25 years, community housing providers are going to get a payment to help pay off their build and the housing that they built under the HAFF. The policy the coalition proposed at the previous election would have meant that those payments would be cut off at the election.”
“I would say to all members in this place that the approach that the member for Bradfield has outlined in this matter of public importance is the right one. It's one where we come to this chamber, into this place, and put forward ideas around the need to find new ways and creative ways to build homes and also to invest in the ways that we know work. The Housing Australia Future Fund is working. It is an amazing program with an annual expenditure of around $500 million, which is almost fully allocated. There will be another round in the not-too-distant future that will allocate the majority of the Housing Australia Future Fund. That fund goes to supporting community housing organisations and housing providers in the construction of new homes.”
“That is something that we have sought to assist Australians with and to improve, but, as the member for Bradfield quite rightly points out, there is a lot more work to be done. I know that across my community in Macnamara, where we have a beautiful combination of people who are fortunate enough to own their own home, people who are paying off a mortgage and the almost 50 per cent of my electorate who are renting as well as a huge, amazing and beautiful community of people who live in social housing, every single home matters and every single person deserves their own home. But the truth is, as the member for Bradfield rightly points out, there are not enough homes being built and there are not enough homes catering for the different parts of the country that require different types of housing.”
“I thank the member for Bradfield for bringing forward this matter of public importance and for her contribution today. I want to personally congratulate the member for Bradfield on her election to this place and thank her for her thoughtful contribution and for bringing this motion. There probably isn't a more important or difficult problem that we all collectively need to solve as a parliament and government than our housing sector and homes for Australians. Every single Australian deserves a safe and secure home to live in. Every single Australian deserves a place that they can call home, a place that they know they can return to at the end of the day where they will be free from violence or the threat of eviction and where they can be themselves and decompress and have the foundations of their life.”
“It's about changing the repayment system so people are paying less in each and every pay cycle and can keep more. It is also part of our broader reform package to HECS to make it fairer, to make sure students aren't penalised and to make sure more Australians can access world-class education. That's because, ultimately, pathways to education mean pathways to prosperity. They mean having social mobility. This wonderful country that we are all part of is a country of opportunity, and that is something I'm incredibly proud of. It changed my family's life and trajectory. That is why I'm so proud to support this bill, and I commend it to the House.”
“But I think the last election was about the simple things that were going to create meaningful change for people in my community and communities right around the country. Ultimately, that's what the election was about: those practical things that people knew were going to make a difference in their lives. Being representatives in this place is a huge honour, and I know each and every one of us feels that. But to be able to repay the awesome gift of being in this place and representing our communities by making meaningful policies such as this is something I'm incredibly proud of. It's one of the reasons to get up in the morning: to be a part of this team and to work extremely hard for the communities we are privileged to represent. There are a few changes in this bill, as I said. It's about reducing the overall amount of HECS debt.”
“We know there is no substitute for learning on the job, and some of the closest people in my life have started their careers as apprentices and have gone on to do amazing things in construction and in other parts of our community. I know that they have worked extremely hard to get where they are and that being an apprentice meant they were able to start their journey. To the 26,948 people who live in Macnamara who have a HECS debt: this bill is for you. This is the bill we committed to at the election, and this is the bill we said we were going to deliver for you. I just want to say that I am so grateful to everyone who gave us the opportunity to implement this policy. I know there are young people who have a whole range of competing interests in their lives and there are a whole range of issues that confront them.”
“This bill says that if you have a HECS debt of $27,600, which is the average HECS debt, you're going to have $5,520 wiped off that debt. That is a meaningful amount for that person with the average amount of HECS debt. It isn't just for university debts. It also includes debts from TAFE courses and apprenticeship loans. In my community of Macnamara, we have a real commitment and passion for education. We have a very high number of people who go to university and we also have a very high number of people who have higher educational qualifications from other institutions, especially from our incredible TAFEs in Melbourne, which give people these amazing skills.”
“What it says is actually there is a meaningful amount of student debt that we're going to take off, as well as how those repayment systems are calculated so that at each and every pay cycle, you're going to pay a little bit less than you otherwise were before. This builds on the reforms we made to HECS which changed the indexation system. Traditionally HECS was set up in a way that meant we were always calculating the HECS repayment system with the lowest interest loan available; but with the high inflation that presented itself to Australians recently it meant the indexation on HECS was extremely high and students were accumulating more and more debt. We fixed that. We also wiped off the differentiation between the higher repayments verse the recalculated repayments. This bill takes it a significant step further.”
“What do you care about?' Often the response was, 'Well, you know, I'm a student' or 'I just finished university.' I said, 'Have you heard about our 20 per cent off HECS?' And they said, 'Yes; actually that's one of the things I'm weighing up right now.' There was an amazing moment I shared with a lot of students and former students: 'If you give us this opportunity, we'll get this done for you.' I'm extremely proud to be standing here in this place keeping up our end of the deal, because so many of those young people and so many people who have a HECS debt gave us this opportunity. They said that they needed a bit of help, they needed some meaningful change, and that is what this bill is all about. It does not wipe every part of student debt.”
“That's what this bill, the Universities Accord (Cutting Student Debt by 20 Per Cent) Bill 2025, addresses. Cutting 20 per cent off student HECS debt is something that we took to the election. We said we were going to do it. I remember the countless stories of young people lining up, going in to vote. I asked them a simple question: 'What matters to you?”
“It will mean the HECS system that we are all buying into enables more people from right around the country, regardless of where we come from, to access high-quality Australian education, whether it be at our universities, our TAFEs, as apprentices or any of the other incredible higher education services and institutions that we have in this country.' But we also know that the balance, over time, has meant that people are leaving university with higher debt. They are leaving university with debt that has meant that it's having an impact on how they can borrow, it's having an impact on how much they have to pay each and every pay cycle. It's a debt that is having a real impact on the lives and the journeys of Australian students and young people.”
“When you think about the great leveller in this country that allows people to have social mobility and allows migrants the ability to change the destination and the journey of generations, it is education. It gives people the ability to create skills and qualifications, to learn and to finish their studies with the opportunities of making a better life for them and their family. We know that the HECS system has meant, over time, that thousands more Australians have been able to go to university. My parents' generation went to university for free, but the HECS generation—my generation and the generations that follow—are part of a generation that has a pact with each and every one of us that says: 'We will contribute to education because it will mean more of us can go and get an education.”
“The member for Canning seems very pleased with himself. He seems like he's very happy with the way he's performing at the moment. He's happy to show off to his colleagues that he's ready, he's prepared, he's got his notes in order, he's thinking about the job, he's pressing Labor on all the important issues, and he's got control of the WA Liberal Party. They had their conference, member for Robertson, Dr Reid, on the weekend, behind closed doors. I wonder what went on in there behind closed doors?”
“My question is to the Minister for Workplace Relations. How is the Albanese Labor government supporting workers who rely on the safety net of minimum award wages, and what could place that safety net at risk?”
“The Leader of the Opposition took a principled stance at the opening of parliament, where she backed in the appropriate and respectful conduct of a welcome to country, and I congratulate the Leader of the Opposition on that. Although—”
“I love a good headline. Our friends at the Daily Aus had a great one, 'The 20 per cent HECS debt discount has been introduced to parliament' and that was on 23 July. What a fantastic headline by an up-and-coming media outlet. There were a couple of other headlines that caught my attention of late. There was one in the Sydney Morning Herald on 27 June, and it read 'Taylor undercuts Ley on gender quotas, saying they 'subvert democracy''. It only took a couple of days, and the shadow Treasurer was there ready and waiting to undercut the leader. But he's not the only one. It seems to be fashionable in the coalition these days to take a couple of days and then announce a policy that is in direct contradiction to the Liberal leader.”
“We won't be taking lectures from the Liberal Party, who now, all of a sudden, pretend to care about small business, when they spend all their free time waging culture wars and wars against each other and wars against the leaders of both the Nationals and the Liberal Party. We on this side of the House will continue with sound economic management, by bringing down inflation, supporting businesses and reducing the cost of doing business so that our amazing businesses can be successful in Australia.”
“It means there is less disposable income for families, and it means less money is going into the small businesses of Australia. That's why we work so hard to try to be responsible but also to support people to get through those difficult economic times. There was one common thing that happened along the way. The Liberal Party opposed each and every measure that we put in to try to ease the cost of living and the cost of doing business and to try to give energy bill relief to businesses. They opposed that. They even opposed capping the price of coal and gas in the last term of parliament—something that we knew would be critical for small businesses and medium businesses across the country. Those opposite, in their absolute obsession with saying no, opposed each and every measure.”
“So many other businesses were able to improve the way in which they were functioning and reduce their costs, thanks to the energy efficiency grants. But one of the big things that we have done to try and assist the small businesses of Australia is bring down inflation. The inflation we inherited from those opposite, when they were finally kicked out of government, had a six in front of it, and it's now back down in the target ranges of the Reserve Bank. What we know is that, as a result of inflation coming down, the Reserve Bank adjusts monetary policy to ensure there are more opportunities for growth and disposable income in the economy, which benefits small businesses—because we know that high inflation hurts lower and middle-income owners the hardest.”
“It's why we work to make sure that the payment systems happen faster. It's why we work to make sure that big businesses are actually paying small businesses—because we know that cash flow can often be such a big issue. It's why we extended the instant asset write-off program, a great Labor program that continues right through from the Rudd era. And it is of course why we have been giving businesses energy grants to try and improve their energy efficiency. I went to a number of the businesses in my electorate that got grants of up to $25,000 to improve their energy efficiency, saving them literally thousands of dollars in the ongoing costs of running their businesses—like Rococo in St Kilda, who got new fridges and a few other things.”
“We have small-business owners who provide such an amazing experience for locals and for people who come and visit our community, walking down all of the high streets, and the hospitality and restaurants of the inner south of Melbourne make it such a wonderful place to go. But they are not the only small businesses that we have. We have huge numbers of small and medium businesses that work in manufacturing and in a whole range of different supply chains. We are so proud of all of the businesses, including some of the high-tech small businesses that I have that are working on engineering projects as well as defence projects and some of the digital and creative arts projects. Some of the best postproduction small businesses in the world are in my electorate. We support each and every one of them.”
“The Liberal Party and the National Party, it seems, aren't willing to listen to businesses and aren't willing to listen to the economic truth of the fact that there is huge opportunity in transitioning towards renewables and transitioning towards net zero. Instead, the Liberal Party are only interested in transitioning their leaders around and around, like some sort of revolving door. That appears to be their main interest. But we on this side of the House actually support the small businesses of Australia. We support the small businesses who make our communities wonderful. In my electorate of Macnamara, we have some of the finest small businesses in our country. You only have to walk through the bustling south Melbourne market to experience the hardworking and amazing culture and flavours of Australia.”
“It's a bit unusual to hear the Liberal Party talking about small business these days. They've taken a big break from talking about things like small business. They're very focused on culture wars, on which flags they'll stand in front of and on welcomes to country. Those were the dominant topics of the WA Liberal Party conference on the weekend—which culture war they can wage to undermine their leader. That's been the Liberal Party's focus this weekend. They're not talking about small businesses but what sort of culture war they can wage on behalf of the good backbench of the Liberal Party. The other thing that the Liberal Party are absolutely focused on, which affects businesses, is their obsession with net zero. They are completely and utterly obsessed with scrapping net zero.”
“All of this happened when they were last in government. Their record is abhorrent on the environment. But I have to commend them: on the day that the Nationals are still working out whether climate change is real, they decide to bring an MPI. Bravo! Keep it coming.”