Peter Fragiskatos
London Centre, Ontario · Liberal · Canada
“Mr. Speaker, this member spent a half hour in a video going after Tim Hortons for converting to paper lids. Paper lids are her contribution to this discussion. She talks about Liberal policies. Liberal policies are squarely focused on the economy, on jobs, on youth, on child care, on dental care and on pharmacare.”
“Mr. Speaker, more than 4,000 Canadians live with ALS, and June is ALS Awareness Month. ALS has been called a rare disease, but that does not take away from the very real impacts it has on people who are living with it.”
“Mr. Speaker, yesterday in the House, we heard from the Conservatives and the government. In a rare moment of unity, we expressed sympathy with what has happened. We condemned what has happened, and we continue to condemn what has happened. The hon.”
“Mr. Speaker, we continue to entrust law enforcement, in particular the men and women of the Canada Border Services Agency, to do what is necessary to keep Canadians safe. As I said before, since 2024, the IRGC has been recognized as a terrorist entity. Everything we do will be in accordance with public safety.”
“Madam Speaker, this member is doing outstanding work, first of all, on the committees for environment and for defence. He brings with him years of experience as a city councillor and as a journalist. He has been a pillar of his community.”
“Mr. Speaker, I will say what we will not do for seniors. We will not propose, as our central seniors policy, cutting pensions, for which the Leader of the Opposition fought for 20‑plus years. Housing is a very legitimate issue to talk about. We need more housing.”
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“Mr. Speaker, I am smiling because I made a genuine good-faith effort to put it back to the member as to what general solutions could be put forward. He is well read and knows very well that there has been no credible evidence that says the Conservative talking points, and that is exactly what they are, would do anything to alleviate food prices at the grocery store for Canadians. Canada has imported fruits and vegetables, in particular, for generations now. We have a climate catastrophe taking place around the world. We see more drought and more flooding as a result of global warming. That is a fact. The Bank of Canada report, which unfortunately he clearly has not read, points to that.”
“I do want to hear from him, genuinely, on solutions. He touched on that, but his time came to an end. I will give it back to him to give an explanation of how those solutions could work. I think we will probably have a disagreement there, but I do want to hear it.”
“Mr. Speaker, the member represents an area I know very well, just down the road from the constituency I have had the honour of representing for a decade. I have friends and family there. These are very real issues, to be fair, that he raises. Food is expensive; we know that. We go to the grocery store and see those prices, particularly when it comes to meat and vegetables. I genuinely wonder, though, and this is not a straw man type of question, about whether he has had the opportunity to review the Bank of Canada report. He first put this forward in a question a few weeks back. The Bank of Canada has authored a report, a very important report, that touched on food prices. I wonder if he has had a chance to look at that report, first of all, and I would love to hear his ideas on that. Also, I will give the member an opportunity.”
“Mr. Speaker, I am more than happy to have a further conversation over coffee, tea or whatever the member wishes to have. He and I have worked together for over a decade now, so that is quite fine. It might be a bit too late with respect to the budget and an upcoming vote. Regardless, as I said before, he is interested in matters of education and those that pertain directly to youth. However, I did not hear anything in there about whether the member is going to support broadly the opportunities agenda that is in front of the House. We want to see that. I know we can do it. I know we can rally together on behalf of the country right now.”
“He has pointed to a number of issues. Can he centre on at least one so we can have an engaged discussion on that? I turn the floor back to him, so I can hear a rebuttal, which I look forward to.”
“Tomorrow, the Conservatives will have an opportunity to make clear where they stand on budget 2025, which is a clear articulation of where the country needs to go. I know my colleague has particular issues with the budget, but in the main, I wonder if he and his party will support it. There are so many good things there that I know Conservatives can get behind on behalf of our constituents and on behalf of our country. The member raised a particular point on colleges, I believe. We are in what we call the late show here, in the parlance of the House of Commons. I would be very happy to engage with him afterwards to understand his specific concerns. He raised a number of other concerns in the potpourri of issues he brought forward tonight. It is not a criticism so much as an attempt on my end to understand what, exactly, he is pointing to.”
“The reason the youth unemployment rate has been so high is the general uncertainty that Canadian businesses are facing with the dynamic that exists between Canada and the U.S. right now. That is a very troubling situation, to say the least. The U.S. and the imposition of tariffs that we have seen have created enormous questions about the future of Canada, specifically the economy and, I would say, youth as well. In fact, what the government is pursuing in terms of building this country up, looking at our natural resources, doing whatever we can to export those resources and building the infrastructure to make that possible is all part of an opportunities agenda that the government is putting forward.”
“Mr. Speaker, it is always an honour to address youth issues. I welcome the comments of my colleague. I will disagree with a number of points that he has raised, naturally, but I do not discount his passion on these issues. I know he has been a member for a long time, and he has made it his focus in the past few months, as I understand it, to take up the issue of youth. The member began with a point on the youth unemployment rate, which is unacceptably high. We did see a positive change in January. The youth unemployment rate now is at 12.8%. It was in excess of 14% in September. Still, it is unacceptably high. We must do better. However, he does not mention the context.”
“Mr. Speaker, I was at the federal finance committee yesterday with the hon. member. He knows how the answer was put forward by Mr. Cory of the Infrastructure Bank. There is no deal with Lion Electric. What happened with Lion in terms of the bankruptcy obviously is regrettable, certainly, but the buses that were intended to be procured are on the road under the operation of another company. The company was in fact sold. When it comes to the Infrastructure Bank, the founding act of the bank makes this clear: Audits are required. The member can look at those audits. The Auditor General is required to look at the Infrastructure Bank. Committee meetings can happen. The answers were clear.”
“Mr. Speaker, in the short time the member has served as an MP, she has made an outstanding contribution, particularly regarding economic issues. She is, after all, a tech entrepreneur at not one but two companies. She understands the importance of putting in place a foundation for the Canadian economy. Bill C-19 did receive royal assent, and 12 million Canadians will benefit. We can go a step further and put in place a foundation for the future of this country. That is, of course, the budget. I have had the opportunity to serve, for a few meetings now, on the federal finance committee. We are working well there. I hope the Conservatives will work with us to pass the budget without obstruction. I know they are up to it, and I know the country needs that right now.”
“Mr. Speaker, the member's question gives me the opportunity to say that Bill C-19 has received royal assent. It shows what we can do when we work together in the House of Commons. This is the groceries and essentials benefit, which will provide up to $1,900 for a family of four in what is, certainly, a difficult time for this country. I also urge the member to look past politics and to work with all members in the House. To echo what Prime Minister Harper said, let us work together on behalf of the country in a very difficult moment. We can do it.”
“Mr. Speaker, the hon. member is a new member. I want to commend him. He has been very active in the community. It has been good to get to know him and to work with him. I know he cares also, of course, about home ownership. He met with the London Home Builders' Association recently. What it has shared is exactly what I said earlier, that regulatory red tape at the municipal level stands as the largest impediment to getting more homes built. Unless we address that, there will not be home ownership worthy of being called the right outcome for Canadians. What we need to do is push that. The housing accelerator fund does exactly that. London is moving in that direction. Other municipalities are too.”
“Mr. Speaker, the government has taken a step in that direction. The GST measure is known to the member, and it is awaiting royal assent. With respect to getting home ownership going in this country, I agree. We need to collectively do more to push that. This is something the Canadian Home Builders' Association, in particular, has emphasized. They have also emphasized the need to attack regulatory red tape at the municipal level. That is why the government has put in place the housing accelerator fund. In return for federal dollars, municipalities are required to be more flexible when it comes to zoning. That is exactly what we are seeing in almost 240 municipalities.”
“Mr. Speaker, the industry minister and the Prime Minister , along with every minister and this entire caucus, are devoted to ensuring the well-being and future of the Canadian auto sector and its workers. I invite Conservatives to support the government in continuing to ensure that measures are put in place to ensure the future well-being of that sector.”
“Mr. Speaker, I have known my colleague for a long time. He does have passion, I will grant him that, but sometimes that passion leads him to act a bit too quickly. He forgot to talk to unions. Earlier this week, he and other Conservatives raised the situation of workers at CAMI in Ingersoll. They were talking about the withholding of severance. What he forgot to do was actually talk to Unifor. Local 88 in Ingersoll came out with a statement. I will review it for him; we can look at it together. It said that their “political posturing” is unacceptable and they should not take advantage of the working people of Ingersoll. That is a direct quote. It is unacceptable.”
“Mr. Speaker, I know the member's community. I know his riding very well. Its residents expect better than his hurling insults. That is not a way to get things done in the House of Commons. The member talks about the London Home Builders' Association. That is good. We met this week as well. They talked about, among other things, the housing accelerator fund, which in St. Thomas alone is leading to duplexes, triplexes, fourplexes, mid-rise apartments and row houses. We are going to continue in that vein, working with municipalities, because we are going to get things done for Canadians and not play games.”
“Finally, I would go one step further to say that he, I and parliamentarians throughout this chamber should collaborate on the big issue at hand, which is putting in place a foundation for sustained economic growth in the future. We see that in budget 2025—”
“Madam Speaker, with great respect to my colleague, he knows that there has not been a shred of credible evidence to suggest that the industrial carbon tax is primarily responsible, or remotely responsible, for the increases in prices that people are seeing at the grocery store. His point, though, on increasing competition in the grocery sector is well taken. I agree that we need greater competition in the grocery sector. I also agree, or not quite agree because he did not say it, but I am sure he agrees, as a thoughtful colleague, that we do need to address climate change in this country, which is the primary driver of drought and flooding issues. We see the effects on supply that has overall. When we have limited supply, and demand remains constant or increases, we have an increase in prices. That is simple economics.”
“I can go on about the solutions of the government and what we are doing now and what we want to do in the future, but I would be more interested, for the purposes of tonight's adjournment debate, to hear what the hon. member has by way of solutions. I heard many problems identified, but I did not hear solutions. I turn it back to the member to address that.”
“Madam Speaker, first of all, I know the member, not terribly well, but well enough to say that I respect him very much. I know how hard he has worked to become a member of Parliament, and I know the riding he represents, which is very close to my community of London. I would simply say a few things. I acknowledge what he is saying, at least on the individual side. For constituents in his riding, in mine and throughout the country, there is anxiety and suffering. We should acknowledge that, and we need to be attentive to that, but at the same time, if we are serious about our work as parliamentarians, we ought to put solutions on the table.”
“Mr. Speaker, almost 240 agreements have been signed between the federal government and various municipalities, large and small, for the housing accelerator fund. They want to talk about getting things done and anti-development. The facts do not line up with that narrative. The reality is that we need to build more: duplexes, triplexes and fourplexes. That is the kind of vision being put in place through that agreement. If they do not want to listen to Liberals, that is fine. They can listen to former prime minister Stephen Harper, who just the other day advised all members of Parliament to work together on behalf of this country. The time is now. Let us rise to the occasion. It is a moment of crisis, a moment of rupture. We can respond right now.”
“Mr. Speaker, 134,000 jobs were created in the past year. Wages have been outpacing inflation for almost three years, with a rate of inflation that is well within the Bank of Canada's guidelines at 2.4%. However, we will not rest on that. We cannot, because the aim now must always be to secure Canada's future. Budget 2025 puts a foundation for that in place. Will the Conservatives join us and put the politics aside? Let us work on behalf of our constituents. Let us work on behalf of Canada right now.”
“Mr. Speaker, I know the member, and I know he cares about those workers, as do we. The CAMI plant in Ingersoll is a half-hour from my house. I regularly speak to Mayor Brian Petrie, who is doing an excellent job in very trying circumstances. I know the business owners who rely on the presence of the plant. I know the leaders and the staff of the social agencies that are responding to the crisis on the ground. We should work together on their behalf. The member also knows that for the severance pay he is referring to, the CRA is treating it as always, which is as a matter of Canadian law. It is time to put away politics; let us work together on behalf of the people of Ingersoll and the auto sector.”
“Madam Speaker, I was intrigued when I heard “team Canada approach”. I agree that we need a team Canada approach. I think we should focus on serious solutions, and there are solutions for the short term and the long term. The groceries and essentials benefit that they collaborated on, thankfully, is just one short-term measure. I agree that it is not a magic bullet. It is certainly not that. What do we have to do to ensure the future sustainability of this country? Budget 2025 provides an answer. For the generations that are looking at us, what will we do? Will we rise above partisanship and pass that important budget? We—”
“Madam Speaker, the Conservative call for focusing on taxes in this particular instance is out of place. No serious analysis has given any credibility to what the Conservatives have put forward on the issue of food inflation. I shared earlier this week, as we all know and the Bank of Canada recently affirmed, that climate change is a key factor, and the key factor when it comes to the increase in prices at the grocery store. How could it not be? An increase in severe weather events, droughts and floods obviously limits supply, and that has an effect. Ultimately, the member and all members across the way, all of us in the House of Commons, can get behind budget 2025, because it focuses on Canadians.”
“Madam Speaker, we have gone back to the script. We have an opportunity. If Conservative members do not want to listen to Liberals, as I advised just a few days ago in question period, they can listen to their former leader. Former prime minister Harper made it clear that we have an opportunity to rise above partisanship now. At a moment of crisis and at a moment of rupture, to use that appropriate term, nostalgia is not a strategy. We cannot look to the past. We have to build for the future. We have to diversify our economy and our trade relationships. We have to focus on defence like never before. We have to focus on housing like never before. What will we do?”
“Madam Speaker, unemployment is down to 6.5%. Inflation is within the Bank of Canada guidelines. We have a AAA credit rating and record foreign direct investment. In fact, we are building up the country for the success of current and future generations. I am going to go off the script for a moment. He is on it, and the previous member was on it. They both care about defence. I know that about these members. Southwestern Ontario, my region, is an anchor of the defence sector in Canada. We can all bring jobs to our communities and sustain them by supporting this budget, because it is a landmark budget for defence. What will the member do, and what does he have to say to that?”
“Madam Speaker, our colleague served his community as mayor. He is now fighting for his constituents in the House of Commons. We have an opportunity to come together and do the very same for all our constituents. What will the Conservatives do? Will they get behind budget 2025? It is a landmark budget that invests in housing, in defence, and in infrastructure to build this country up and put in place the foundation for diversifying our trade strategy so we can ensure prosperity for current and future generations. Will the Conservatives obstruct and play political games, or will they work with us on behalf of Canadians? It is their choice.”
“Madam Speaker, Canadians are looking for hope, but they are also looking for people to work together in the House of Commons to support them at this time, in the short term and in the long term. In the short term, what this means is, and we saw it, in fact, the spirit of collaboration that helped to bring about Bill C-19 . Bill C-19, of course, is the Canada groceries and essentials benefit that will provide up to $1,900 for a family of four. For the long term, we can work together to ensure the budget passes. Spending is there for defence, which will create tens of thousands of jobs, and for infrastructure, to build this country up, among other things. Will the Conservatives help us?”
“Madam Speaker, total employment is up, in fact, by 134,000 jobs over the past year. Most of those jobs are in the private sector. We see a rate of inflation of 2.4%, which is well within the Bank of Canada's guideline, and also an unemployment rate that is now down to 6.5%, but we do not rest on that. There is anxiety in Canada, but there is also resilience that defines this country and defines its people. What that resilience means is that there is an expectation that we work together. Will the Conservatives work with us to pass budget 2025, measures that include benefits for the member's community and mine?”
“Madam Speaker, for generations, the people of London, Ontario, have counted on The London Free Press, our daily paper, to capture their hopes, their aspirations, their cares, their concerns and their worries for the future. This is true of its journalists, and it is true of its photographers. Derek Ruttan was an extraordinary talent. He passed away at the age of 60 in late January. He will be remembered as a family man. He will be remembered as someone who constantly gave back to the community, especially through his work. He was recognized nationally through awards. He will be, of course, missed by his colleagues, by his community and especially by his adoring wife, Sarah, and his sons Darcy and Shayne. On a personal note, I knew Derek. He was a truly valued member of London whose talent came through in every photograph he took.”
“I would also invite colleagues across the way to think seriously about supporting budget 2025. The member talks about health care. There is an initiative in there that would allow for infrastructure dollars to go toward community initiatives like hospitals, for example. If he is interested in how—”
“Madam Speaker, that is interesting. I am tempted to talk about the Conservative record on health care. I will not because, as I say, I think we need to embrace these issues. An hon. member: Oh, oh! Peter Fragiskatos: Madam Speaker, it is a touchy subject for the Conservatives. We need to embrace these issues wherever possible with a lack of partisanship and be serious about the issues of the day. Yes, there is debt and deficit in this country, as there is in every democracy, but again, we can look to the International Monetary Fund. If it is not the IMF that the members want to look to, they can look at the World Economic Forum and what was shared there by the participants about Canada's current fiscal reality and the economy going forward. We have a very good situation.”
“We have brought it down significantly through a targeted approach. Granted, that was first pursued by the previous government. Now Canada's new government is embracing fiscal responsibility, making sure that we do exactly what is needed to steer the country during this very difficult time. Earlier in the House of Commons today, during question period, I talked about a rupture that the Prime Minister articulated very well at Davos. We have a great deal to do, and certainly an approach focused on fiscal responsibility, investment and making sure that we are building up the country, focusing on infrastructure, in particular, to get our goods and resources to market. That is exactly what will secure our future going forward.”
“Madam Speaker, my colleague is an experienced member, and I know how much he cares about the economy and his community. Of course he is immersed in these issues, as we all are. To reassure him, I would point to the December 5 statement issued by the International Monetary Fund. The IMF, one of the most respected multilateral organizations in the world, said a great deal about Canada's current fiscal position. It said that the fundamentals are very strong, first of all. How could they not be with a AAA credit rating and with a debt and deficit that is the lowest in the G7? If we look at inflation, we find that the rate of inflation is well within the Bank of Canada's guideline and is currently sitting at 2.4%. We have battled inflation over the years. At one point it was, I think, in excess of 8%.”
“Mr. Speaker, I call on Conservatives, yes, to work with us. We can work together for the betterment of this country. What did we see yesterday? If the Conservatives do not want to listen to Liberals, that is fine. They should listen to Prime Minister Harper, who called on us in a moment of crisis, a moment of rupture for this country, to do what is right for Canada. We have an opportunity. We saw the Conservatives support the groceries and essentials benefit. Will they now support the budget, which could support his community and mine and all of ours? It is up to them. What are we going to do?”
“Mr. Speaker, the Conservatives have mentioned beef. They have mentioned coffee, fruits and vegetables. The Bank of Canada has affirmed what we already know; it made clear that import costs are crucial when it comes to food inflation. Which kind of import costs in particular is this? It is climate change, dramatic weather events around the world and domestically. It is obvious; when we have more flooding and more droughts, this affects food production. It affects the size of livestock as well. Let us be serious about the solutions at hand. Let us work together to build up the economy. Canadians expect it. Let us meet this moment right now.”
“Mr. Speaker, my colleague can look to Dalhousie University's food price index of 2026. He can look to the recent TD report. We know climate change is a key factor when it comes to the increase in the price of food. This is admittedly a challenge for this country. This is why the Canada groceries and essentials benefit is so important. Let us move beyond the script for a moment. The Conservatives showed a spirit of collaboration to pass that benefit. Will they go one step further and support budget 2025? We have an opportunity now to collaborate in this moment. This is what Canadians expect. It is what Canadians deserve.”
“Mr. Speaker, up until recently, the Conservatives have been frequently quoting Food Banks Canada. They have stopped, and I wonder why. I wonder if it is because the organization has suggested a key recommendation that the government is now fulfilling, which is the groceries and essentials benefit of almost $1,900 for a family of four. What about other supports that the Conservatives are against? There is the $10-a-day child care program, the permanency of the national school food program, and the Canada child benefit sustained for middle-income and low-income families. That is what the government is about. That is what we will fulfill for this country.”
“Mr. Speaker, I certainly would agree. I want to commend the member, who is a new member but has not hesitated to delve in. He is doing a fantastic job on the finance committee. The member talked about food prices. The Dalhousie University report that members in the Conservative Party have quoted frequently in the past few days makes clear that a major contributing factor to meat prices, in particular, is climate change. It is climate change, without question, because it has led to drought, which has subsequently led to a decline in the cattle stocks that are present.”
“Mr. Speaker, I have a great deal of respect for our colleague, and it is always a pleasure to take part in a House debate with him. There is a climate change crisis in Canada and around the world. Every government has a responsibility to respond with serious policies, because it is a challenge for the future. I have a four-year-old daughter, and I am worried about her future. Every government must assume its responsibilities on this issue.”
“Mr. Speaker, my colleague represents the area of what was once called London North Centre, north of Fanshawe Park Road, and I look forward to continuing to work with her. Her point about manufacturing and businesses is interesting. The member said that she hears time and again about the industrial carbon tax issue. I would welcome her to present a single letter from a business that mentions this point because I meet with these businesses all the time across London and across southwestern Ontario, and they have not put this point forward. What people ultimately want is a government focused on the present, yes, and the future, and on helping to diversify and find new markets for those goods and services that they produce.”
“What we have now is something more permanent, obviously, and the predictability that comes with that. I will end by focusing on the importance of young families. Members have talked about young families. The $10-a-day child care is something that the government has committed to continuing. We see changes implemented in a very positive way at child care facilities across the country. This gives families more options. It is the right thing to do. For all these reasons, I would ask the opposition, and in particular my friends in the Conservatives, to collaborate with us for the well-being of this country in the present and in the future. I look forward to questions.”
“I remember talking about it when I went door to door in my community of London, in London Centre specifically, and we acted on it. We also see the national school food program being made permanent. It is a very important program because the implementation of that policy, which admittedly came under the previous government but has been continued by this government, in the context of the difficult choices that had to be made, was upheld. I think that is so critical. In terms of effects, we see young kids with food in their bellies, not having to worry about breakfast in the morning or lunch, depending on how it is structured at the school. Prior to this, we had this patchwork quilt of programs across the country that were sometimes maintained and sometimes not.”
“I know that he is interested, I would even say perhaps excited, about the government's focus on defence. I would ask him and colleagues who want to ensure the sovereignty of this country to think about supporting the budget, to put politics aside, put the partisanship aside and do what is right for the country. Today, we are talking about affordability. This budget is about affordability. To maintain or uphold a vision of affordability for Canadians, the government is also cutting taxes for 22 million Canadians. The first thing the government did when it was elected was to place a focus on exactly that. It is something the Prime Minister talked about at length in the election campaign. He committed to it. It was in our platform.”
“That is why the $80 billion-plus investment in this budget is so critical to the well-being of communities, whether they are directly or indirectly involved in the manufacture of military equipment. Now is the time to live up to our defence commitments from a NATO perspective, certainly, but also from the perspective of sovereignty. Canada is doing that. Other democracies are starting to do that. It is absolutely vital that we get behind investments like this. Along the way with an investment like this, we also have the potential for tens of thousands of jobs to be maintained or created as a result of what the government wants to do on defence. I see the former parliamentary secretary for defence in front of me. I have respect for him as a colleague.”
“From a defence perspective, that region is an anchor for the country. It is so important that we support defence industries that are directly involved in the manufacture of the equipment ultimately used by the men and women of the Canadian Armed Forces, who maintain our democracy and who help to uphold the freedom that allows us to be in this chamber and debate the issues of the day. I will also say that there is an enormous supply chain. Mr. Speaker, I know you are from Alberta, and I see a number of colleagues across the aisle who are from Alberta. Whether it is Alberta, Saskatchewan, Quebec or any province, the supply chain extends wide and far in this country, from coast to coast to coast.”
“That is why I ask colleagues to go one step further, to take that spirit of collaboration that they have shown on the Canada groceries and essentials benefit and support, ultimately, the budget implementation act. (1315) We will see what happens. I do not want to see, certainly the government does not want to see and I do not think any member of Parliament wants to see, and we are all MPs here and we have all seen what has happened in the past, the politicizing and the games playing that has happened in years past with the BIA, particularly at the finance committee. There is no need for that. There is never a need for it, but particularly now, this would be an abdication of our responsibilities. I will just put it that way. We also find defence in the budget. I come from London, Ontario, in the region of southwestern Ontario.”
“It is one thing to talk about what Canada has been blessed with: natural resource wealth that can serve and should serve as a foundation for our future success as a country. It is another thing to think about how we get those to market. We need all sorts of infrastructure, roads, ports and beyond, to be built up, so we can diversify in a very meaningful and lasting way. There are colleagues who come from urban communities, and transit support is there. It is supported by this government, and I urge colleagues to get behind that, as well as outside-of-the-box thinking. It captured a bit of a tension, this focus on community infrastructure from a capital cost perspective. The construction of hospitals can be supported now by the federal government if the budget goes through.”
“Time and again, I hear colleagues stand up and speak about the importance of infrastructure and communities. I do not blame them. It is a key issue. Whether we are talking about transit, whether we are talking about water systems or whether we are talking about community infrastructure, it is very important. Any government worth its salt would get behind infrastructure and support those municipal governments that, admittedly, are under strain so often because they can only rely on the property tax base. As such, they need provincial help and they need federal help. What do they find in budget 2025? They find support for roads, for bridges and for infrastructure of all kinds, particularly the kind of infrastructure that would allow us to get our resources to market.”