Jim O'Callaghan
Dublin Bay South · Fianna Fáil · Ireland
“This relates to section 69 of the Bill as passed by Dáil Éireann, which amends Schedule 5 to the Social Welfare Consolidation Act 2005 to add the Courts Service to the Schedule.”
“The first four amendments in this group are minor drafting corrections. They corrected the wording in four places so that the Bill reads consistently. It is changing the word "references" to "a reference". They make no change to the substance or effect of the Bill.”
“The ARP scheme was introduced in July 2022 to recognise the generosity of members of the public who opened their houses, whether in their entirety or through the provision of a room, at their own expense to provide shelter to people displaced by the Ukraine war. The Department of Social Protection administers the scheme on my behalf.”
“I have no doubt it will be challenged, and I have to be able to convince a court, if it is being challenged, that this legislation weighs up conflicting interests and recognises there is a mechanism for somebody who has reformed himself to get off the register.”
“The scheme has been a lifeline for people from Ukraine displaced by the conflict, given high rental market rates and scarcity of rental accommodation.”
“I thank the Leas-Cheann Comhairle in the first instance for presiding over these Stages of the legislation. I am very pleased that this legislation has been enacted. I want to thank a few people very briefly. I thank Deputy McAuliffe for introducing me to Jason Poole. I thank Senator O'Loughlin for her work on this issue in the Seanad.”
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“Like the Senator, I recognise the qualifications councillors will have to serve as chairpersons and I am hopeful councillors will put themselves forward, as they will bring the benefits derived from being an elected representative of the area. It is important to emphasise the partnerships are central to the Government's new whole-of-society approach to community safety. They will bring together elected representatives, gardaí and persons involved in important services provided by State agencies, such as the HSE and Tusla. The regulations I signed outline clearly how the safety partnerships will operate and ensure each partnership operates with transparency, strategic focus and strong local engagement. The Senator referred to the fact the capital will be treated slightly differently. That is correct.”
“I am pleased to say that last week I signed the regulations for the partnerships and they came into effect this week on Monday, 30 June. A total of 36 partnerships will be established across the country. Their purpose is to ensure the interests and needs of the local community are served by the individuals who will be on the partnerships. There will be a central and important role for councillors under these regulations and in the partnerships. Regulation 4 states there will be a requirement for seven elected members of the relevant local authority to be nominated to the safety partnership. The chairperson of each partnership is a matter for the partnership that will be assembled.”
“I thank the Senator for requesting my attendance in the Seanad this morning. It is important I am here to answer the questions she has raised. Coincidentally, it is also of great benefit to me because the Ringsend active retirement group are here as guests of Senator Andrews and the Terenure men's shed are here as my guests. I am fortunate to have two important groups from my constituency here. It shows the benefit of senior Ministers turning up to answer questions in the Seanad. The Senator will be aware that in April of this year I commenced the Policing, Security and Community Safety Act 2024, which will regulate policing and community safety in this country. Under section 114 of the Act, I am entitled to make regulations to establish the local community safety partnerships the Senator referred to.”
“I move amendment No. 37: In page 21, after line 19, to insert the following: “(2) The amendments effected by subsection (1) * shall apply only to causes of action accruing on or after the date of the coming into operation of this section.”.”
“I move amendment No. 36: In page 20, between lines 32 and 33, to insert the following: “ ‘recipient of the service’, in relation to an intermediary service, means any natural or legal person who uses an intermediary service, in particular for the purposes of seeking information or making it accessible;”.”
“I move amendment No. 35: In page 20, line 7, after “remuneration,” to insert “whether such remuneration is provided directly by a recipient of services or indirectly through advertising or other means,”.”
“I suspect that the most egregious development in the world of defamation in the past 100 years is the development of social media and the ease with which individuals can make false defamatory statements about persons who might not even be well known - private individuals who have no recourse. I hope this statutory provision will give them some recourse.”
“However, as legislators, we must take into the account the individual - the citizen - who does not have an organised group campaigning to ensure his or her right to his or her good name is protected and defended. That is why it is so important that provisions like this are included and that is why it is so important that the Defamation Act respects the balance between conflicting rights: the right of an individual to his or her good name, and the right of an individual or corporate entity to freedom of expression. Our job in the Oireachtas is to try to balance those rights.”
“I think it is fair to say, however, that politicians should have a thick skin when it comes to publications put out there in the traditional media. We should perhaps also have a thick skin when it comes to false and defamatory comments made about us online, although that is a matter for each individual politician. I refer to a situation, however, where egregious defamatory statements are made about individuals, falsely accusing them of the most heinous and serious offences. That does merit a statutory response. The constitutional right to one's good name means something. Sometimes I am concerned that the debate on defamation focuses very much on the right to freedom of expression and the organised campaign that can be put forward by the media, as it is entitled to do.”
“In most instances, it is extremely hard for the person defamed to get any remedy because it is not possible to identify who the publisher is and it is difficult in the context of trying to hold social media companies liable for it. The real benefit of this legislation is that we now have a statutory mechanism provided in the legislation in section 45 for the purpose of enabling somebody to go to the Circuit Court and to apply for an identification order that will compel a social media company to tell them the identity of the account holder who has published the defamatory material. Deputy Carthy spoke earlier about members of his party being defamed. No political party in this House - and it certainly does apply to Fianna Fáil - has not been defamed.”
“When looking at the amendments we have just discussed, particularly those dealing with section 45, these really take into account the fact that we are going to see an opportunity here for people being defamed online to bring applications before the Circuit Court to secure identification orders. We have been talking here about defamation in the context of defamation taking place in what is the traditional format, where the media - a newspaper or broadcaster - publishes something false about an individual. Fortunately, that happens very infrequently. The vast majority of defamation that takes place now is online, where anonymous people publish to a large number of individuals defamatory material about an identifiable person.”
“35 adds wording to the existing definition of "information society service" to clarify that although such services only include those provided for remuneration, this remuneration may be received by the service provider either directly from the user of the service or indirectly through advertising or other means. Amendment No. 36 adds a further definition of "recipient of the service", a term used in the existing definition of "intermediary service provider". The definitions of "information society service" and "intermediary service provider" align with those contained in EU law instruments, most notably the Digital Services Act.”
“I move amendment No. 34: In page 19, line 33, to delete “intermediate” and substitute “intermediary”. These amendments make changes to the definitions contained in the proposed section 45 of the Defamation Act 2009 introduced by section 19 of the Bill. Section 45 provides the Circuit Court with jurisdiction to make identification orders. This allows a person who has been subject to defamatory comments by anonymous posters online to seek information identifying those posters. Amendment No. 34 corrects a mistaken reference to an "intermediate" rather than an "intermediary" service provider. Amendment No.”
“I move amendment No. 27: In page 15, between lines 30 and 31, to insert the following: “Transitional provisions relating to provisions of Part 4A of Principal Act 18. Where a provision of Part 4A of the Principal Act comes into operation on a particular date, it shall do so only in relation to defamation proceedings (within the meaning of that Part) brought after that date.”.”
“I move amendment No. 26: In page 15, to delete lines 24 to 30 and substitute the following: “Publication of certain judgments and court orders 34I. Where a court finds in the course of defamation proceedings that the proceedings are abusive court proceedings against public participation, the court shall direct that any written judgment of the court or, in the absence of a written judgment of the court, any order of the court, related to that finding, shall be published on the website of the Courts Service where practicable and as soon as so practicable.”.”.”
“28 to 33, inclusive, renumber provisions, which is necessary following the insertion of several new sections by the amendments proposed today. Amendment No. 29 removes reference to the fact that the current provisions of section 34J are without prejudice to the Mediation Act 2017.”
“With those objectives in mind, this amendment seeks to expand the requirement to publish SLAPP judgments beyond the Circuit Court to any court that makes a finding that proceedings are abusive proceedings against public participation in a defamation action. Additionally, it clarifies that the requirement is to publish written judgments, and, where there is no judgment, to publish the relevant court order. This is a very appropriate provision contained in amendment No. 26 and consideration should be given to using it outside the area of SLAPPs. It is something I am considering in other areas as well. Amendment No. 27 provides that the provisions of Part 4A of the Defamation Act 2009 relating to SLAPPs will only apply to defamation proceedings brought on or after the date on which those provisions come into operation. Amendments Nos.”
“It does this, first, by providing that damages are only available where a declaration has been made by the court that the proceedings are abusive and, second, by directing the court to take into account, among other things, any mitigating factors and the purpose for which the proceedings were brought, when considering the amount of damages to be awarded. Amendment No. 26 replaces the previous section 34H, which provided for the publication of judgments and orders of the Circuit Court. The purpose of providing for the publication of judgments and orders in SLAPP cases, as set out in the anti-SLAPP directive, is twofold. On the one hand, it acts as a deterrent to the bringing of such proceedings while, on the other hand, it provides a source of learning and awareness in relation to SLAPP cases.”
“The court must also consider the conduct of the parties, the purposes for which the proceedings were brought, the factors leading to the making of the declaration and any mitigating factors. The court may seek evidence before making a determination as to damages and the parties may make submissions to the court on the issue. This is a significant provision that recognises the impact of SLAPPs, including psychological and financial impacts. It provides a remedy to compensate victims of SLAPPs for harm suffered and adds significant weight to the existing safeguards contained in Part 4A of the Bill. It also strikes an appropriate balance between the right to public participation and the right of access to the courts.”
“Section 34H provides that damages may be awarded only where a court has declared the proceedings in question to be abuse of court proceedings against public participation under section 34F or section 34G of the Act. In determining the amount of damages to be awarded, the court must have regard to the circumstances of the case and the factors set out in section 34H(2). These include the injury, loss or damage suffered by the target of the proceedings as a result not only of the bringing of the proceedings but also, where appropriate, the threat of those proceedings. This recognises that the purpose of SLAPP proceedings is not to gain access to justice or to genuinely exercise a right, but rather to intimidate those engaging in public participation, creating a chilling effect on public debate.”
“(6) The Personal Injuries Assessment Board Act 2003 shall not apply in relation to an application under subsection (1)(b). (7) This section shall not affect the operation of sections 31 and 32.”. Amendment No. 25 introduces a new section, 34H, into Part 7 of the Bill. Section 34H empowers a court to award damages to those who have been subject to abuse of court proceedings against public participation. This transposes Article 15 of the anti-SLAPP directive, which requires member states to make provision for effective, proportionate and dissuasive penalties or other equally effective appropriate measures, including the payment of compensation for damages or the publication of the court decision on the party that brought the SLAPP proceedings.”
“(3) Where an application for an order for the payment of damages is made under subsection (1)(b)— (a) the plaintiff and the defendant may make submissions to the court and adduce evidence, and (b) the court may direct that evidence be given, in relation to the application. (4) Where the court makes an order for the payment of damages to a defendant under this section, the court may, if it considers it appropriate to do so, apply the provisions of section 34F(2) or 34G(2), as the case may be, to costs incurred as a result of an application made by the defendant under subsection (1)(b). (5) The damages recoverable under this section in the Circuit Court shall not exceed the amount standing prescribed, for the time being by law, as the higher of any limit of that Court’s jurisdiction in tort.”
“(2) In deciding whether to make an order under subsection (1), and, where applicable, in determining the amount of any damages to be paid, the court shall have regard to all of the circumstances of the case and the interests of justice, and may take into account the following matters as it considers appropriate: (a) the nature of the public participation concerned; (b) the purpose or purposes for which the defamation proceedings or part thereof the subject of the declaration (in this subsection referred to as the ‘proceedings’) were brought relating to the defendant’s engagement in public participation; (c) the conduct of the proceedings; (d) any other factors leading to the making of the declaration; (e) whether the declaration has been made under section 34F or 34G; (f) whether the declaration relates to all or part of the proceedings; (g) the injury, loss or damage suffered by the defendant as a result of the bringing of the proceedings (including, where appropriate, the threat of such proceedings) and any mitigating factors.”
“I move amendment No. 25: In page 15, between lines 23 and 24, to insert the following: “Order for damages in case of section 34F or 34G declaration 34H. (1) Where— (a) the court makes a declaration under section 34F or 34G that the defamation proceedings concerned or part thereof amount to abusive court proceedings against public participation (in this section referred to as the ‘declaration’), and (b) the defendant in those proceedings (in this section referred to as the ‘defendant’) makes an application to the court, whether before or after the making of the declaration, on notice to the plaintiff in those proceedings (in this section referred to as the ‘plaintiff’), for an order for the payment of damages by the plaintiff to the defendant under this section, the court may, in addition to the making of the declaration and in its absolute discretion, order the plaintiff to pay damages to the defendant as a result of injury, loss or damage suffered by the defendant consequent upon the bringing of the proceedings or part thereof the subject of the declaration.”
“I move amendment No. 22: In page 11, after line 32, to insert the following: “(2) The amendment effected by subsection (1) shall apply only to defamation actions brought on or after the date of the coming into operation of this section.”.”
“I move amendment No. 21: In page 11, between lines 28 and 29, to insert the following: “(2) The amendment effected by subsection (1) shall apply only— (a) in a case where a defamation action has been brought, where the defamation action is brought on or after the date of the coming into operation of this section, or (b) in a case where a defamation action has not been brought, to an application under section 33 of the Principal Act made to the High Court on or after the date of the coming into operation of this section.”.”
“I move amendment No. 20: In page 11, between lines 25 and 26, to insert the following: “(2) The amendments effected by subsection (1) shall apply only to defamation actions brought on or after the date of the coming into operation of this section.”.”
“I move amendment No. 19: In page 11, between lines 11 and 12, to insert the following: “(2) The amendment effected by subsection (1) shall apply only to actions for damages for defamation brought on or after the date of the coming into operation of this section.”.”
“I move amendment No. 18: In page 11, between lines 8 and 9, to insert the following: "(2) The amendments effected by subsection (1) shall apply only to applications under section 28 of the Principal Act made on or after the date of the coming into operation of this section.".”
“I move amendment No. 17: In page 10, after line 37, to insert the following: "(2) The amendment effected by subsection (1) shall apply only to causes of action accruing on or after the date of the coming into operation of this section.".”
“I move amendment No. 16: In page 9, between lines 18 and 19, to insert the following: " Abolition of Reynolds defence 12 . The Principal Act is amended by the insertion of the following section after section 26: “ Abolition of Reynolds defence 26A . (1) Any common law defence known as the Reynolds defence that, immediately before the commencement of section 12 of the Defamation (Amendment) Act 2025 , could have been pleaded as a defence in a defamation action is abolished. (2) Subsection (1) shall not apply to causes of action accruing before the date of the coming into operation of section 12 of the Defamation (Amendment) Act 2025 .".".”
“It is not always the case, but sometimes can be, particularly online where most defamation happens now, that in an orthodox defamation action against a media defendant, the media has gone out of their way deliberately to tell lies. My experience is that does not happen. Mistakes happen, and in certain instances where there has been public interest journalism and the media have abided by certain ground rules, they should be able to avail of a defence. It is up to the court to determine whether they get it, but they should be entitled to avail of it.”
“The purpose of what was originally the Reynolds-type defence, what now is in section 26 and what is going to be proposed in this new provision, was to recognise that there will be occasions when a responsible journalist may have made a mistake in one or two details but because the general story was in the public interest and because the journalist had gone out of the way to verify the truth of what he or she published, and that he or she sought a response from the individual who subsequently becomes the plaintiff, all those factors taken into account can, in certain circumstances, give them a form of defence. However, this defence only kicks in where there is a mistake.”
“The whole purpose of the legislation we are introducing here, the new statutory provision, is to recognise that there are circumstances where, for responsible journalism, broadcasters or newspapers could be doing a story that is very much in the public interest, whether it is about exposing wrongdoing in nursing homes, crèches or politics, and could have taken responsible steps to ensure the story is in the public interest and has been investigated. However, there may be a factual error within the story. The error may be that the story identifies me as opposed to, say, the Leas-Cheann Comhairle. Does that minor error mean they have no protection?”
“I will be brief in response. I note what Deputy Carthy said about the provenance of the Reynolds defence, which emanated from the British House of Lords. I am not trying to open up old wounds, but the jury system came from the British system of justice that operated in Ireland. I will not go back on that. Deputy Carthy said that people should not tell lies. Everyone agrees with that. However, most defamation actions do not involve a defendant who has deliberately told lies. Most defamation actions that arise are as a result of an error that has been made.”
“This legislation and this latter amendment will ensure there is no parallel common law defence alongside the new section on reasonable publication in the matter of public interest.”
“An individual had a duty to confer information and another individual had an interest in receiving it. They tried to apply that to publications to the world at large because they recognised the importance of trying to defend responsible journalism that was in the public interest but which may have been inaccurate in one factual respect. In order to deal with that they had Reynolds in England for many years. We then adopted Reynolds here even before the enactment of the 2009 legislation, the Blom-Cooper decision here recognised that Reynolds operated here. However, the net effect for it is that once we enacted section 26, it is fair to assume everyone thought that the Reynolds defence had ceased to exist. There is, as I said, uncertainty as about it.”
“My own view is that it has been abolished by the enactment of section 26 but certainly the courts will take a decision. Mr. Justice Collins in the Court of Appeal has recognised that there is some uncertainty about that issue. If it is the case that we are going to enact a statutory defence of fair and reasonable publication, what we do not want to happen is that there is going to be a parallel and corresponding common law defence emanating back to the Reynolds decision. The Reynolds decision was a very interesting decision, in that it recognised for the first time that you could have a public interest defence in respect of publication to the world at large. Prior to that it was very much a qualified interest defence that was based upon duty and interest of individuals.”
“The purpose of section 26A is, therefore, to make it clear that where a claim for defamation arises after its commencement, any defence on the basis that the publication is in the public interest should be based on the newly inserted section 26 only. This avoids any confusion or duplication with pre-existing defences. The purpose of these amendments is to ensure that there is a more concise, comprehensible and usable defence of reasonable publication on the matter of public interest. In the second amendment I just discussed, it seeks to make it known that any other type of Reynolds-type common law defence has been abolished. There is some uncertainty at present as to whether or not the Reynolds common law defence still exists at common law.”
“However, that does not give a freeway to individuals to say they are just publishing an allegation that has been made elsewhere. It has to be in the public interest and there has to be a certain reasonable belief that the publication was in the public interest and there also needs to be a recognition that there is a responsibility on the publisher to take reasonable steps to inquire into the veracity of the statement. Amendment No. 16 adds a new section 26A to the Bill. This provision abolishes any defence which may have existed at common law on the basis of the decision in Reynolds against Times Newspapers Limited in which the United Kingdom House of Lords in its judicial capacity recognised the existence of a defence for responsible public interest journalism.”
“If the statement in question consists of an accurate and impartial account of a dispute to which the plaintiff and the defamation action was a party, the defendant is not required to demonstrate that they took steps to verify the truth of the imputation conveyed by it in order to demonstrate reasonable belief that publication of the statement was in the public interest. This provision recognises that in some instances there is a public interest in the neutral reporting of allegations in circumstances where it is clear that the publisher is not standing behind those allegations. In other words, it may sometimes be in the public interest to know that an allegation has been made in respect of an individual before that allegation can be investigated.”
“Section 11, therefore, puts forward a simplified defence which seeks to facilitate public debate in the public interest while safeguarding the right to a good name. The new defence requires a defendant to demonstrate first that the statement was in the public interest, second, that they reasonably believed publishing the statement was in the public interest and, third, that the statement was published in good faith. When considering whether a defendant reasonably believed publication to be in the public interest, the court must take into account whether the belief was arrived at after the making of such inquiries and checks as it was reasonable to expect of the defendant.”
“What this amendment is seeking to do is to try to simplify it. As I said, section 26 was intended to facilitate public discussion on matters of public interest. This facilitation of public discussion is in line with Ireland's obligations under Article 10 of the European Convention on Human Rights, ECHR, and it plays a vital role in safeguarding democracy. However, feedback received from stakeholders was that the existing section is overly complex, lacking in clarity and sets too high a hurdle. Particular concern was expressed in relation to the onerous checklist in section 26(2) which provides for ten factors which the court may take into account when determining whether publication of the statement was fair and reasonable.”
“That would operate in circumstances where a journalist or a publisher made a factual error in the publication that was broadcast or published in a newspaper or online, but the factual error would not expose them to a claim in defamation because it was a reasonable publication on a matter of public interest. Since that legislation has come to be enacted section 26 has been pleaded on many occasions but there are very few judgments or, indeed, decisions of juries where section 26 has been successfully invoked. Understandably, persons who seek to rely upon this statutory defence are thereby concerned that there is not a sufficient understanding of the section on the part of judges or juries, or it is not effective enough for the purpose of availing of what was previously a statutory defence.”
“(2) The amendment effected by subsection (1) shall apply only to causes of action accruing on or after the date of the coming into operation of this section.”. As colleagues will be aware from Report Stage amendments, what is being proposed here is that we will amend section 26 of the Defamation Act by providing for a much simpler and concise defence of publication on a matter of public interest. Colleagues may be aware that since the 2009 Act was enacted and came into force on 1 January 2010 there was a statutory defence in line with what was referred to under the common law as a Reynolds-type defence. Section 26 gave effect to that and the whole purpose of that section when it was enacted in 2009 was to provide a statutory defence for what we can refer to as responsible journalism.”
“(2) Subject to subsection (3), a court shall, for the purposes of determining whether subsection (1)(b) is proved, have regard to whether the belief was arrived at after the making of such enquiries and checks as it was reasonable to expect of the defendant. (3) Where the statement in respect of which the defamation action was brought was an accurate and impartial account of a dispute to which the plaintiff in the defamation action was a party, the court shall, in determining whether it was reasonable for the defendant to believe that publishing the statement was in the public interest, disregard any omission of the defendant to take steps to verify the truth of the imputation conveyed by it.”.”
“I move amendment No. 15: In page 9, between lines 18 and 19, to insert the following: “Defence of publication on matter of public interest 11. (1) The Principal Act is amended by the substitution of the following section for section 26: “Publication on matter of public interest 26. (1) It shall be a defence (to be known as the ‘defence of publication on a matter of public interest’) to a defamation action for the defendant to prove that, in all the circumstances of the case— (a) the statement in respect of which the action was brought was on a matter of public interest, (b) the defendant reasonably believed that publishing the statement was in the public interest, and (c) the statement was published in good faith.”
“I move amendment No. 14: In page 9, between lines 18 and 19, to insert the following: “(2) The amendment effected by subsection (1) shall apply only to causes of action accruing on or after the date of the coming into operation of this section.”.”
“I move amendment No. 13: In page 9, between lines 3 and 4, to insert the following: “(2) The amendment effected by subsection (1) shall apply only to causes of action accruing on or after the date of the coming into operation of this section.”.”
“I move amendment No. 12: In page 8, between lines 31 and 32, to insert the following: “(2) The amendments effected by subsection (1) shall apply only to causes of action accruing on or after the date of the coming into operation of this section.”.”