Paul McAuliffe
Dublin North-West · Fianna Fáil · Ireland
“In the context of the previous Government, some of our Green Party colleagues were also supportive of this for a range of other reasons relating to delivering the circular economy. From what I hear, one outcome of the review could be the creation of a franchised service.”
“It would allow it to say that in the context of my area of Finglas, it is not appropriate that because an area is more affluent, people living in that road have access to five bin companies and because somewhere else is less affluent, it is stuck with one bin company.”
“I made a commitment to Deputies Gannon and Sherlock in 2019 in an agreement we signed together to pursue the issue of remunicipalisation. It was the right thing to do then and it is the right thing to do now. It is not an accident that there are many Dublin-based Deputies in the House for this debate.”
“If Dublin City Council had been allowed address the housing crisis back in 2012, 2013 or 2014, when it was impacting the city far more than anywhere else, we would have been ahead of the curve.”
“-----to put in place waste solutions that suit their areas. If this means that there is a different solution in Dublin City Council's area than in the other local authority areas across the county, then that is how it should be. Unfortunately, that power rests with the chief executive.”
“To break that down a little, the issues Deputies Gannon and Sherlock are having in the city centre are vastly different from the ones that are relevant in my constituency. We do not have an issue with bags. Nor do we have the same street structures or networks.”
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“It is for that very reason I say that sometimes facilitating Bills in this way is really important because it is about getting stuff across the line as well. I take on board comments made by members of the Opposition. I had that issue in the last phase of this Bill. I have done a little bit of homework since, however. There is a lot in this Bill that is to be commended. There is one significant area I have been waiting on for some time and that is the work of the Apartment Owners' Network under the guidance of Pat Montague, which has been seeking the transfer of responsibility for multi-unit developments and the legislation and regulation of that over to the Department of housing. That is incredibly important. We are about to pour millions of euro into an apartment defect scheme.”
“The one thing I would say is that we were all here at a previous Stage and, notwithstanding changes that have been made, very significant elements of this Bill were already before us, as complex as they were then and as they are now. I look forward to speaking on some of the 72 amendments that have been tabled. Let us not fool ourselves: the reason there is pressure to get this Bill through is not because the Minister wants to get it through, but because many of the issues it covers are things that are being called for by members of the public and groups that have worked very hard and campaigned on them. I acknowledge the work of Deputy Nash on historical convictions. In this House we often wonder whether we achieve anything at all and maybe on days like this people like him can take note that the work he undertook has reached completion.”
“Like the other speakers today, I appreciate that it is a huge technical challenge to try to put together the overall meaning behind each section of the Bill because, by its very nature, it is a miscellaneous Bill. The Minister has the benefit of his own advisers in the Department and the expertise of the Department of justice, but no doubt as a former Opposition spokesperson on justice he has sympathy with the rest of us who have to have to try to put it together.”
“That is the case with the Russian sanctions. They apply to certain services, companies and individuals. People in this House who voted for a total boycott of Israel have not thought out fully the implications of that for Irish people and the jobs of Irish people. That is not in any way to say that just because somebody works for a company that might have a small office in a part of the Israeli state, somehow that person working in Leixlip is complicit with genocide. That is an abhorrent thing to say. Many people who are working for multinational companies condemn what is happening in Gaza. Simply because they work for a certain company should not mean they should be punished. Who should be punished is the Netanyahu government and the Israeli state committing this genocide in Gaza.”
“We have to examine the practicality and legality of implementing that. There are more than 120 subcategories of services and that makes it incredibly complex and difficult to implement. People have referenced Spain and I note Spain has not banned trade in services but the advertisement of those services, and I would support the Government including such an amendment in the legislation. I note also that there are people in this House who have voted for a full boycott of the entire Israeli state. We have to be conscious of what a sanctions regime should do. Government must act in a way that holds in law and does not wound our people more than those we wish to hold to account. All sanctions regimes have, as their principle, the core that we hold the sanctioned state to account more than the countries which implement the sanctions.”
“With this legislation, Ireland joins the first group of EU states to prohibit the importation of goods originating in those illegal settlements. I hope we will be joined by many others. Once enacted, such importation becomes an offence under the Customs Act. The Bill uses the postal codes already identified under the EU-Israel technical arrangement, so it is precise, workable, and built to withstand challenge. There are many who have discussed the issue of services, and as somebody who would wish to see services included in this Bill, I have listened carefully to what the Minister has informed us of. She has sought advice from the Attorney General. It seems that for goods, the EU provides a public policy exemption that lets a member state act for goods. However, no equivalent exemption exists in regards to services.”
“The court told every state it must not aid or assist in maintaining that unlawful situation. This Bill is part of Ireland’s response to that judgement and to the dire conditions in which the people of Palestine live today. Ireland has, of course, recognised the State of Palestine and intervened in the South African genocide case at the ICJ. We have funded UNWRA when others moved to defund and dismantle it and stood at the United Nations and the European Council, often almost alone among our partners, and refused to soften the truth of what was being done to tens of thousands of people in Palestine, that is, famine in our time, and we are a people who know what famine is, and the destruction of homes and hospitals.”
“At the outset, I commend the work of Senator Frances Black on this Bill. She has led from the front on it for many years. I acknowledge in this House the Ministers of State, Deputies Dooley and Collins, who worked with Senator Black to introduce this legislation to the House, albeit in a different form than the Minister has presented today. On 19 July 2024, the International Court of Justice delivered an historic advisory opinion. Its findings were unequivocal. The court held that Israel’s continued presence in the occupied Palestinian territories is unlawful and must end as rapidly as possible, and Israel must cease all new settlement activity, evacuate the settlers, and make reparations for the damage caused. That is the considered judgement of the world's highest court.”
“In the past few weeks we have had a large number of social housing projects in my area completed, namely, Millview, Melville and Piper's Square, which will contribute more than several hundred cost-rental and social units. Last week, we were informed that the Land Development Agency had bought land for 600 units. Those units should be affordable purchase homes because that is not an option we currently have in the mix in our constituency. I ask the Taoiseach to do everything in his power to work with the LDA to ensure there is affordable purchase and cost-rental housing on this new site and that residents are engaged with about what that will mean for the area.”
“I hope the Chief Whip will be of assistance and I also hope that across the House and the justice committee, where there is a lot of agreement on this Bill, we will all work together to ensure that Jennifer Poole and her family will be the last to not know about previous domestic violence judgments against partners.”
“I understand that Cabinet today approved the domestic violence judgment register, or Jennie's law. It was only a matter of months after Jennifer Poole's death that Jason came to the House and discussed with me, the Minister, Deputy Jim O'Callaghan, and Senator O'Loughlin the shock of their family when they heard in court that the person who murdered their sister had previous convictions for domestic violence. They were not aware of that and nor was Jennifer. The legislation hopes to give families and partners access to previous domestic violence judgments. I appreciate the progress we have made on this. I ask the Taoiseach to do everything in his power to ensure the legislation is passed through the House as quickly as possible.”
“We must ensure that the railway order that was granted earlier this year is followed through on quickly with the approval gates for the business case, a procurement policy, enabling works, advance works, construction and then, "Ding, ding", the opening of the Luas line into Finglas. That is what we want to see. There are good signs that this is happening with great speed. I want to make sure that there is no slippage. I will do everything in my power in this House to make sure that project is delivered. I ask the Minister of State to support it in the way his colleague the Minister, Deputy O'Brien does.”
“They provide information on ways to improve services and their engaging with the process represents an opportunity to communicate change. We have to make sure that these big infrastructure projects are delivered. The Critical Infrastructure Bill is an important part of that. I will continue to make the case for Finglas Luas. It is a no-brainer. It will cost €600 million for 4 km of track, and the project will have a massive impact in the context of bringing improvement to our area. It will open up the possibility of new opportunities for people who work and live in our area.”
“I am concerned about extending its power and remit, but I want to see it deliver the Finglas Luas and metro projects. I also want the new designated activity company, DAC, to be established in order that those projects can proceed. I want to see work begin on one of the first core bus corridors that is being developed, namely that between Finglas and Ballymun. It was due to start in March or April, but I have not yet seen the shovel in the ground. We want to see the core bus corridors in place and logic being applied in the context of how they operate. There will be disagreement, but it is all about communicating. We have to make sure that we have forums for local people to engage. Local people are not a nuisance.”
“As my colleague said earlier in the context of the 23, 24, F1, F2 and F3 in Finglas, the idea is to remove a direct connection to the traditional shopping area comprising O'Connell Street and Henry Street for people from Finglas and Glasnevin and to reduce the frequency of the old 40 buses by introducing the new F1, F2 and F3. Deputies cannot walk through this House without an usher stopping them to tell them that the F1 or F2 did not turn up on a particular morning. The ushers and people who work in the self-service and Members' restaurants, many of whom live in my constituency, will say that they go to the bus stop and sometimes wait 30, 40 or 50 minutes, whereas previously they waited 10, 15 or 20 minutes. Those lessons have to be learnt. The NTA has a big job to do.”
“There is no doubt that the NTA listened when it came to some services. It made significant changes and restored services because it saw the logic in doing so. This often happened in places where communities came together and where the passenger experience was outlined in documented form. I have never been a fan of signing petitions. A petition just shows how many people are against something, but showing the NTA why a service was being used in the way it was had an impact. The NTA listened. In other areas, it pushed ahead with the introduction of BusConnects.”
“The introduction of BusConnects in Dublin was fairly rocky. Many Deputies campaigned against what the NTA proposed because, in many cases, it went against what local communities wanted. There was not enough of an understanding at the beginning on the part of the NTA as to how people use the bus services. Clusters of people's children might attend a particular school that is some distance away, but they picked that school because there was a bus route to it from their area. It might not make logical sense on a map, but when people see that there is a bus route from A to B, they can see the logic of why families chose that particular school. Therefore, there needs to be far more engagement in Cork, at an earlier point. Many of the lessons relating to what happened in Dublin need to be taken on board.”
“I looked at the Dáil's business for this week with interest and saw that we would be taking the Dublin Transport Authority (Amendment) Bill. It is somewhat ironic that the Bill will be of far more benefit to the Minister of State's constituents than it will to mine, because many of the amendments being brought forward relate to BusConnects in Cork. This shows the development of the NTA, which was originally the Dublin Transport Authority before being renamed, and the fact that it was not initially given the clear powers now being granted to it. Like other Deputies, I welcome the standardisation of the powers the NTA will have to act as a developer of both public infrastructure and public transport across the country. The development of BusConnects in Cork, which has been long promised, will be aided by the delivery of this project.”
“The money message indicated that was the Department with responsibility for the Pensions Authority and for representing retired workers in pension schemes.”
“Paddy Fagan is a gentleman who came to my clinic yesterday evening. He is a retired Dublin Airport Authority, DAA, worker. He has been coming to my clinic for many years. Those retired workers have not received an increase since 2007 because the scheme has effectively been frozen. It was worth 82% of the minimum wage in 2007. They are now on only half of the minimum wage as retired people. The real value of their pensions has decreased. They hoped that the Bill introduced by former Deputy Bríd Smith, the Industrial Relations (Provisions in Respect of Pension Entitlements of Retired Workers) Bill, might have helped. There were valid reasons the Government moved a money message on that legislation. Will the Taoiseach ask the Minister for Social Protection, who has responsibility for the Pensions Authority, to meet those retired workers?”
“I welcome what he is doing in terms of RAPID and I call on the Minister for Finance and the Minister for public expenditure to ensure there is sufficient funding. I also credit Joe O'Brien in the previous Government, who had the enhancing communities programme. It builds on this but we have to learn the lessons from that programme too as to where things did not go right. Enhancing infrastructure has to be co-ordinated and sustainable. The local authority has to have confidence over time, and we need to make sure that over time, it increases in its scale.”
“Absolutely. The other thing is that it is sustainable and has certainty. Local authorities, for example, depend on funding over time. Often with sports capital funding, for example, they are able to identify a project and then over time they are certain of funding. RAPID has to be the same. We have to have this on a permanent basis for people who are planning in these communities. In places like Ballymun or Finglas, the problem often is that people are exhausted with initiatives. There is initiative after initiative and there is a new approach and what we need is certainty of funding over time and a strategic approach. The Minister saw that when he came to Ballymun while in opposition, and I know he committed to investing in those communities.”
“It will mean we will be advocating for other communities that are on the edge to also be included. I say with some certainty that some of the communities in my constituency that are in that category will be on that list. Both the Minister and the Minister of State are welcome to my constituency to launch the scheme when it is done. That is an open invitation. I say that in the expectation that there may be communities nearby or elsewhere that will not be included. We have to go further than €5 million. We must go to €10 million and €15 million over successive budgets. I wish the Minister and the Minister of State the best of luck. They are both great champions of this project.”
“I welcome the efforts of the Minister and the Minister of State. The Minister of State, Deputy Buttimer, has responsibility for SICAP, which does fantastic work in disadvantaged areas. However, funding for infrastructure is also incredibly important. Often, by changing the physical landscape of an environment, you can bring real change to those communities. We should be working in partnership with, for example, the local community safety partnerships, the SICAP partners, the local community development committees, LCDCs, and the providers of the range of other grants that are coming into the communities for which people can apply. There needs to be a degree of co-ordination. I also welcome the fact that there will be an evidence base for this. That will ensure the communities that are really in need get these supports.”
“I ask the Minister to outline to the House his plans to roll out a successor to the revitalising areas by planning, investment and development, RAPID, programme. The Minister will know that was a previous programme that was closed in 2011. It brought together funding from different Departments to invest in some of our most disadvantaged communities to try to improve design and invest in those communities' infrastructure.”
“There must be a process where innocent Irish citizens who are going about their business in the world cannot be taken by a third-party state and be detained without any process or be forced to participate in a process to say they illegally entered Israel. Many will say that that is the intention of the flotilla but the point is - and where Israel continuously makes errors - they did not enter into an Israeli-controlled area. They should not have been taken from that boat. The Irish Government must take very strong action against Israel on this and on a whole host of other issues.”
“I raised the case of Mikey Cullen and, as I said, there are two other constituents of mine, Robert Murphy and Dougie Douglas, both of whom are out. The wider issue here has been well aired in the House. I agree with many of the points. I want to return to the issue of three constituents of mine who have been taken from a boat in the Mediterranean. There must be a more rigorous process other than us issuing a press release to condemn what has happened to those three constituents and Irish citizens. Each of them would say it is nothing in comparison to what the people of Gaza have been through.”
“I know the Government rejects that. The three constituents would tell me that it is nothing in comparison to what the people of Gaza and other people in the West Bank have been through. I ask the Minister to continue to take strong action on this issue.”
“I welcome the Minister's comment. I listened very carefully to her interview on Monday with Gavan Reilly. It has outlined a process of the Minister's intention regarding where we go in respect of the occupied territories Bill and also at an EU level. This week on Tuesday, a constituent of mine, Mikey Cullen, rang me from the flotilla. Incidentally, he is the third constituent of mine on different flotillas. We agreed and disagreed on different things as he was floating off in the Mediterranean. What is utterly unacceptable is that in what is effectively international waters, Israel can take constituents of mine from a boat, forcibly put them through a process to say that they illegally entered either Israel or Gaza, then humiliate them on video and send them back to Istanbul. I know the Minister rejects that.”
“I again ask the Minister of State to communicate to the Minister the joint determination of the public representatives in this constituency to support Gaelscoil Uí Earcáin. I ask him to do everything in his power to deliver it within the capital budget.”
“I have to agree. The fact that both Deputy Ellis and I are putting this Topical Issue down together should show the Minister for education how important public representatives in our area consider this issue. Gabhaim buíochas leis an Aire Stáit as a fhreagra. Tá na páistí, na múinteoirí agus an príomhoide ag obair go dian. Is pobal scoile iontach iad. Tá teach scoile maith tuillte acu. Impím ar an Aire Stáit gach gur féidir leis a dhéanamh chun an scoil nua a thógáil go luath. We have to press ahead with this. The Minister of State has spoken about €7.5 billion and 108 schools. Previous Ministers were often accused of talking about millions and billions. All of that means nothing to people if they do not have a new school building in their own area.”
“As she says, however, we are throwing good money after bad because we know that there is a plan for an exciting new school building, and the principal, the students and the school community want to get on with that being built. It is at stage 2a. There are documents, I understand, with the Department that have to be reviewed. There was certainly some back-and-forth over different elements of the design, but we find that it has come to a halt. The school was particularly disappointed when it was not included in the recent list, particularly when an adjoining school, St. Canice's Girls' National School, actually had a letter of intent issued today. We are very grateful for that but it is all the more reason the Gaelscoil beside it should also get the go-ahead. There is demand for school places in our area.”
“Is mian liom labhairt faoi Ghaelscoil Uí Earcáin i bhFionnghlas. Rinne mé staidéar sa teach scoile seo 40 bliain ó shin. Bhí mo sheanathair ar choiste tógála na scoile 70 bliain ó shin, agus tá an teach scoile ag éirí an-sean anois. Tá teach scoile nua ag teastáil ón scoil agus tá gá leis go han-luath. Gaelscoil Uí Earcáin is a school I studied in 40 years ago. My grandfather was on the building committee nearly 70 years ago, yet the building still remains in desperate need of improvement. Over recent years, thanks to the tireless work of the principal - I give her great credit; she lets none of us off the hook - we have invested in the school in the form of new windows and other improvements.”
“There is a lot of talk in this House about plug-in solar but we have to ensure that we get the safety, electricity and regulation right. We can do more in this regard. With the better energy warmer homes scheme for those on fuel supplement, we can do far more in terms of solar nationally. All that can be done better by working together in Europe.”
“The AccelerateEU programme will be at the centre of the EU Presidency for Ireland. We need to ensure that the changes we make will have a practical impact on people’s lives. We have talked about solar. The big difficulty with the transition from, let us say, gas heating in a home to something like a heat pump is that people are relying on the expense of electricity. There is no easy technology transfer from a traditional gas boiler over to a full retrofit installation with a heat pump. We need to find new technologies to do that. That is an area where the European Union could lead the way. We can do more in the area of solar energy as well. It can help subsidise those electricity-consuming heating systems in homes.”
“While I fundamentally disagree with the approach of many of the European Union governments on the issue of Palestine, our interaction with Israel and so on, I have to accept that there is that difference within a union. Sometimes, people in this House speak about the European Union as if what happens here in Dublin happens everywhere in the European Union or that the views expressed here in Dublin are expressed everywhere in the European Union. We have to accept that, in a partnership, other people may have different views and priorities. We must work within that framework. There is no doubt that the current crisis with regard to the cost of oil and petrol is having a real impact on people’s lives. We need to have an approach similar to the way the European Union excelled in the delivery and procurement of the Covid vaccine.”
“We cannot forget that this is about those three stools - peace, the idea of stretching beyond national horizons to adopt a pan-European policy on big issues like climate and economic growth. With any peace process, there must be parity of esteem. We have to recognise that there are other European Union countries with different views. There are democracies in each European member state. One of the great tragedies for me is that while we have been able to respond almost with unanimity on the issue of Ukraine, we have not been able to do so on the issue of Palestine. I have to accept that, in a democracy, people will come to the table with different views.”
“The European Union gives us the structure to do that. At its very heart, the European Union is a model to perpetuate peace. It is also a model of ensuring that national governments step up to the plate when there is a common European norm. With issues such as gender rights and climate policy, we have seen how Europe has challenged Ireland over many years to go further than perhaps national governments would have. The third leg of that stool is economic prosperity. At different times over our history with Europe, Europe has contributed to our economic prosperity and growth. It has challenged us at times as well. The post-crash period was incredibly challenging for many European Union countries.”
“Europe Day is an important day for us to reflect on what Europe means to us and what we mean to Europe. It also allows us to apply a lens to the current issues of the day. I will speak to that first. Ultimately, at its heart, Europe is a peace process. For many hundreds of years, a kind of toxic nationalism existed in Europe. While that toxic nationalism is certainly been diluted as a result of the European Union project, we should never take it for granted. In some ways, we took the peace of the Good Friday Agreement for granted prior to the Brexit referendum. We saw how quickly some of those tensions could arise again. The idea that peace and mutual co-operation in Europe is a given is something we should be fearful of. We have to be careful of any one country asserting its nationalism above others.”
“I welcome the allocation of additional gardaí. Of the 140 allocated for Dublin, 113 will go to Dublin metropolitan region, DMR, north and west. In particular, so far this year, 37 new gardaí have been allocated to Finglas and to Ballymun. While I welcome that, I also want to see the roll-out of high-visibility policing. It has made a difference in the city centre. It has been rolled out to some other urban villages. People in places such as Santry, Whitehall and Beaumont want to see that high-visibility policing on the ground. I hope those new numbers will make that difference. I also note the request by the chair of the implementation board for Ballymun, which the Minister established in her time in the Department of justice, to meet the Taoiseach has been dealt with.”
“Our public parks are for everybody and we do not want to see public parks losing space, but a well co-ordinated plan and better co-ordination with the Department of heritage about brent geese needs to happen. I ask the Minister of State to reach out to Dublin City Council and ask it what its intention is this year, because I am fearful that it will not be substantial or ambitious enough.”
“I welcome what the Minister of State is saying. When the sports capital grant opens, it is almost too late to start to bring together parties in that way. That is why the city council has such an opportunity to lead on this. I am looking at a park like Albert College, for example. Many soccer clubs but also GAA clubs really need somebody to bring them together and to put that package together on city council land in a park. I am thinking of clubs like Glasnevin FC, which really wants an all-weather facility in Albert College. There are other parks like Johnstown Park or Poppintree Park in my area that could do with all-weather facilities. We know these pitches are used widely at the moment but the wet weather that we have often reduces the amount of usage that they get.”
“There is already the example in Finglas west, the Kildonan model, where two soccer clubs have joint access to a new all-weather facility. I want to see that in parks right across Dublin City Council. That involves Dublin City Council leading the charge.”
“I welcome that engagement. I want to highlight an issue particularly in cities. Often within cities land is the key issue. There might be land owned by one party and then there is a club or sporting body. That needs a degree of co-ordination. Of specific concern to me is that co-ordination and bringing parties together is not being done on a structured level. I have done it in my own communities where I have tried to bring different parties together. Dublin City Council’s parks have so much potential across the city. I am not certain that at a senior level in the city council the opportunity of the sport facilities grant is being taken serious in regard to all-weather pitches. There are parks right across my area that have the potential.”
“We need an emergency response to them. Lots of communities want more gardaí. My community needs more gardaí. When gardaí are allocated later this month, we want to see more in the Dublin north region.”
“The Tánaiste referenced the voice of children, and I want to speak on behalf of two children in Ballymun, aged 11 and 6, who this week came across a discarded loaded firearm, discarded by gangland criminals. Like any children who come across a gun, they fired that gun. It is scary to think how close we came to a tragic accident. Ballymun is a fantastic community but for several months it has experienced significant gangland events. A number of firearms have been discharged since December and last year a man was murdered by a speeding car. It is an extraordinary community, and fantastic work is being done on the ground. I acknowledge the work being done by John Costello with the implementation board. However, we need to ensure this incident is discussed at Cabinet level. These people are undermining the State and are using guns to do that.”
“I am anxious for the Minister of State to repeat the commitment she gave in the Seanad here in the Dáil as regards a dual diagnosis protocol. I ask her to outline to the House how that might work or to write to me about it. What I want is to record in this House what happened in the other House, that is, the attempts made to make changes to the Mental Health Bill and the reasons that did not happen. While things might not be able to be dealt with in primary legislation, that does not mean we cannot deal with them overall. Regardless of what happens to the Mental Health Bill, I ask the Minister of State to continue to be committed to the issue of dual diagnosis for addiction and mental health.”
“In some cases people were not able to access a psychiatric facility because they may have been using either a legal or illegal substance, and at the very moment they were in crisis or seeking to deal with their addiction, they found that both services, addiction and mental health, were often citing their other diagnosis as a barrier to them entering. As one person in the report said, "when we get somebody into a service and there is opportunity to make good progress, it should not be missed." The idea of catching somebody as they are falling is really important. I watched the debate on this in the Seanad very closely. The Minister of State was very strong in outlining why, in primary legislation, the phrase “dual diagnosis” could not appear.”
“The report, Dual Diagnosis: a Community Perspective, carried out by Dublin City University and the Finglas Addiction Support Team, FAST, specifically references areas in relation to dual diagnosis for addiction and mental health which need improvement. There have been significant improvements since that report was published in 2020, namely around the national clinical programme. The report references areas of the Mental Health Bill where the idea of a “wrong door” was being experienced by people.”
“Where I had some concerns during earlier phases of the Bill was in relation to dual diagnosis. I want to be careful using this term because when I use it, I am relating it to dual diagnosis of addiction and mental health issues. Of course, as has become very obvious from the conversations in the Seanad with colleagues there, a dual diagnosis can mean many things. It can, for example, relate to a dual diagnosis of autism and mental health issues or many other conditions. Specifically, in relation to dual diagnosis for addiction and mental illness, the Minister of State will know, because I have plagued her about it many times, about a report on dual diagnosis community inquiry.”