R Ravindran
Singapore
“Sir, on behalf of all Members who raised various cuts under this amendment, I would like to thank the Minister for Defence, the Second Minister for Defence and the Senior Parliamentary Secretary for their detailed explanations. I would like to withdraw the amendment. Amendment, by leave, withdrawn.”
“All this training only comes when the critical time for us to play the game and stay there on the field after the critical 30 minutes. I think it is critical that the SAF provides safe training but, at the same time, realistic training. I would like to ask the Minister how the SAF intends to provide for more safety.”
“Sir, ASEAN, as an organisation, looks like it is back on track. The last ASEAN Leaders Summit showed that the leadership shares a common vision and is committed to meeting the goals set henceforth.”
“Sir, I thank the Minister for Foreign Affairs, Mr George Yeo, and the Minister of State, Mr Zainul Abidin, for their very comprehensive answers to the queries raised by Members and I beg leave to withdraw the amendment. Amendment, by leave, withdrawn. The sum of $257,379,160 for Head N ordered to stand part of the Main Estimates.”
“If such rivalries continue, there is every risk that the community-building exercise would be fatally compromised. At best, the EAS may just emerge as another talk-shop like APEC or ARF, where leaders meet, declarations are made, but little community-building is achieved.”
“Sir, the big plus over the recent debate on the Melvyn Tan's case was the tremendous understanding of the role of National Service by all Singaporeans and the spirited defence of it by many.”
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“I think we can still do better. We also do not call up all the NSmen in the unit altogether. We stagger it so that those who need to come back earlier like the Commanders and so forth, come back first, and the men come back later. Also, Unit Commanders can release their units early if they achieve the training standards. We have also been using IT where we can. For example, training materials are given to NSmen in the form of CD-ROMs, so that they can train on their own and at their own pace, whereas in the past we had to call them back to camp to undergo that kind of training. We will continue to seek improvements so that time spent on training to prepare to defend the country is well used. Some questions have been raised on National Education. National Education is a key element in helping to strengthen our Total Defence. The Ministry of Defence is working together with Ministry of Education and other Ministries on Total Defence and National Education, to make Singaporeans and new Singaporeans more aware of the need to be loyal and to defend Singapore. And there is a coordinating committee chaired by PS (PMO), who is also the PS (Defence), to oversee the National Education effort undertaken by the various Ministries and Government agencies. I would like to thank Dr Ong for his complimentary remarks about the food. Regardless of that, I still would look forward to an invitation to his home for dinner. I would also like to thank Mr Ravindran for his compliments on the recent Total Defence awareness programmes. Mr Ravindran raised some points on defence science and technology research. Technology is strategic to Mindef and the SAF. As a small country with limited resources, it is important for us to leverage on others to obtain the technology we need.”
“But I think that if we can make use of the time better for training and we can differentiate between things which are done for domestic purposes in the camps and actual live training in the training areas, and keep the live training in the training areas as realistic as possible, while making the domestic aspects as convenient as possible, we will still be able to achieve our objectives. In addition, those who are fit, for example, those who have attained at least a NAFA silver before enlistment, are exempted from six weeks' physical training phase. So they are enlisted later compared to those who did not attain at least a silver and have to undergo the six-week programme. Dr Ong also asked about time spent at ranges. I know it is very frustrating for people who go to the ranges. We will see what more we can do. But already we have done a number of things. Simulators are used a lot more for train-fire with rifles and that cuts down the number of times people need to go to the range and makes more productive use of the time that they do spend on the range. So it is quite common for soldiers who go for the first time to the range now to score very, very well, because they have become so used to it with simulators. We also have automated many of the ranges so that soldiers spend much less time sticking up and down targets and pasting targets by the butt party. And we will continue to find better ways of doing this. For National Servicemen, we know the in-camp training is disruptive to their civilian life and what we would like to do is for the time that they are back in camp, to use the time as usefully as possible. For example, we minimise call-ups on NSmen by grouping several activities together so that they would not be called up so many times.”
“48 hectares of land were returned by the SAF to the Land Office for other use. This is quite considerable, given the activity level of Mindef and the scarce land resources in Singapore. Sir, Mindef also continually seeks out new construction technology to optimise land use. For example, in 1999, we launched the plan to excavate a large cavern for an underground ammunition dump out of solid granite. This innovative solution will free more than 300 hectares of surface land area for more intensive use. The underground ammunition dump is located in Mandai and is expected to be completed in 2003. The SAF has also invested heavily in simulators. The benefits are numerous. Simulators provide a high degree of realism, reducing the need for large training areas. Tank crews are now trained using the Integrated Armour Tactical Trainer. Simulators also enable training to be carried out under different conditions, some of which you cannot do even with live training. We also train extensively overseas and this helps to relieve the problem of training area shortages in Singapore, and we will continue to use our scarce land resources as well as possible. Dr Ong also asked about optimising training time. In the 1990s, we took a fundamental review to ensure that full-time National Service training is focused and that the time spent by full-time National Servicemen on mundane chores is minimised. Where possible, maintenance services are now commercialised. Full-time National Servicemen are no longer required to perform general housekeeping duties for common areas, such as wash room cleaning, maintenance, etc. This enables them to devote more time for training. Some people complain, especially the older National Servicemen, that we are going soft.”
“Thereafter, the potential risks are proactively dealt with through such measures as safety briefings, ground orientation to unfamiliar terrain and rehearsals prior to the conduct of the actual training. Safety audits are also carried out by Training Inspectorates in the Army, Navy and Airforce. Lessons learnt from their audits are shared with other units and the findings of the Inspectorates are routinely reported to the highest levels in the Ministry of Defence. 5.00 pm Sir, I am glad to report that these and other measures taken by the SAF have been effective. The number of fatal accidents in 1997 was six. Last year, in 1999, there was unfortunately one fatal accident. The number of training injuries dropped by 45% between 1997 and 1999. This improvement is a result of sustained efforts by the SAF to improve safety and has been achieved without lowering the tempo of training and training standards. The SAF will strive to improve on this because even one accident is one too many. The SAF will continue to ensure that our training is realistic and, at the same time, develop measures to proactively manage risks. Sir, Dr Ong Chit Chung has asked about optimising of land use. The SAF works closely with other national agencies to identify commercially less viable areas to locate its military camps and to conduct its training. The development of the Basic Military Training Centre and the School of Infantry Specialists complexes in Pulau Tekong are notable examples. New camp designs have allowed for more intensive use of land. In addition, where possible, bigger camp complexes are built to replace several smaller ones. The sharing of common facilities and services in the big camp complexes has resulted in land savings. As a result, in the last five years alone, a total of 27.”
“Our Navy and Police Coast Guard and the Indonesian Navy and Police work together on this. The arrangement allows an effective exchange of information and facilitates cross-border pursuit. This co-operation has been going on smoothly and effectively. The incidence of sea robbery within the ISCP area of operations has been significantly reduced since this arrangement started in September 1992. There were some incidents in the first quarter of last year but after the ISCP stepped up surveillance and patrols, there has been no report of sea robbery since mid-April last year. The navy has also been supporting the efforts of the Home Team to prevent illegal immigrants from reaching our shores, both in the planning process as well as in assisting the Police Coast Guard at sea by providing surveillance to detect suspicious vessels carrying illegal immigrants. And the Navy will continue to do so. Mr Charles Chong and Dr Ong also asked about training safety. The SAF takes training safety very seriously, whether the training is conducted locally or overseas. Today, the culture of training safety is deeply ingrained in our system. There is a strong and continuous emphasis by commanders at all levels of the need and importance of safety training. The process begins at all our training schools where future commanders of the SAF are exposed routinely to briefing and frequent updates on training safety so that they learn to accept safety as an integral part of military training. The challenge for our ground commanders is not to avoid training but to proactively manage these activities to minimise the risks. For training in unfamiliar training areas, both local and overseas, the accompanying risks are identified systematically through the use of Risk Assessment Matrix beforehand.”
“FPDA members would immediately consult together on what measures should be taken to deal with an attack or aggression against Malaysia or Singapore. Any aggressor will therefore have to take into account not only the individual responses of Malaysia and Singapore, but also the collective response of these two countries plus Australia, New Zealand and the UK. This is a deterrent. Although FPDA exercises were suspended for a short period between 1998 and 1999, the FPDA is now back on track. The exercises and activities resumed last year. This year the FPDA will conduct two major exercises. Exercise Flying Fish 2000 will coincide with the 4th FPDA Defence Ministers' Meeting in Singapore this July. FPDA members have also been reviewing how the operational arrangements and exercises can be enhanced for greater professional benefit for the participating forces and to ensure that the FPDA continues to be relevant to the security of Singapore and Malaysia and the region. Sir, Malaysia has assured the other FPDA members that they are fully committed to the FPDA. Since the resumption of exercises last year, they have participated fully in FPDA activities. Arrangements have also been worked out to facilitate smooth and expeditious search and rescue should that be necessary. Dr Ong Chit Chung and Mr Charles Chong have asked about piracy and illegal immigrants. The problem of piracy has been discussed within ASEAN and the ASEAN Regional Forum (ARF). ASEAN has agreed to intensify bilateral co-operation, while the ARF will explore co-operative approaches to deal with the problem. On a bilateral level, Singapore has a standing arrangement with Indonesia called the Indonesia-Singapore Co-ordinated Patrols (ISCP) to help us deal with piracy in the seas around Singapore.”
“Sir, I would like to ask the Minister the following questions: (1) What are the measures taken by Mindef to work closely with the industry, the academic institutions and overseas research establishments to ensure quality research and that there is transfer of knowledge from the private sector to Mindef and vice versa, particularly in R&D which has civilian applications? (2) Whether DSTA has plans to implement a scheme similar to the one in place by the DEFA in the UK called the "Pathfinder" Programme which can allow industry to bid for DSTA funds for novel defence research in areas which meet both the companies and the DSTA's priorities and represent ideas which are superior to those coming up within DSTA. (3) Whether DSTA would consider setting up dual use technology centres where new technologies being developed can be used both by Mindef and for civilian use. (4) Whether DSTA has plans to sell its research facilities and services for civilian application directly to the industry. (5) Whether Mindef is going to set itself a minimum percentage benchmark figure in their budget for annual research so as to ensure that research is never neglected as was found in some countries. The Second Minister for Defence (RAdm Teo Chee Hean): Sir, Mr Sin Boon Ann and Mr Ravindran asked about the Five Power Defence Arrangements. Since its establishment in 1971, the FPDA has been an important element of the security architecture in our region. The underlying principle of the FPDA is that the defence of Malaysia and Singapore is indivisible. Or as the then Malaysian Defence Minister Dato Abang Abu Bakar put it last year, "Cubit paha kiri, paha kanan pun sakit," or "If the left thigh is pinched, the right thigh also feels the pain." Hence the indivisibility of defence.”
“Sir, the United Nations Transition Administration for East Timor (UNTAET) is now in place in East Timor. I would like to ask the Minister in what ways the SAF is helping UNTAET and the people of East Timor in rebuilding the country. I would also like to ask the Minister for an assessment on whether there are any threats to the safety of our men and the challenges faced by them in East Timor. Sir, I will move on to the third topic, defence science and technology research. It has become a simple truth that superior technology capability is a force multiplier in war. Jane's Defence Weekly in its 9th February edition highlighted the future role of autonomous weapons, robotic warfare and how they will greatly impact military doctrine in future. It is clear that superior technology is vital in winning wars. Sir, the setting up of the DSTA will provide the SAF with a one stop agency that will take care of the SAF's defence science and technology research needs. In view of the fast changing pace of technology and equipment, it is critical that we do not rely on DSTA's inhouse capabilities for all our research needs. In fact, many overseas defence science and technology research organisations have gone into both local and overseas joint collaboration to conduct R&D in these fields. I am glad that Mindef has also embarked on this path recently. It will certainly help reduce the learning curve and minimise the time to bring a product into use.”
“Sir, total defence highlights the critical role everyone has to play in the defence of our country. It is important that our citizens be constantly reminded to be ever vigilant and prepared for a sudden change in the security situation. I was happy and impressed with the recent spate of advertisements that were shown on television. It was a wake up call to Singaporeans who are complacent about national defence. The advertisements were direct and hit home the message clearly. I must compliment Mindef for that bold initiative in strengthening Psychological Defence which is one of the five key elements in Total Defence. Sir, increasingly, more and more foreigners are taking up PR and citizenship here. Many of them do not undergo the growing up and shared experience of a Singaporean. They have not studied here nor done NS. I see a challenge in making this group of new Singaporeans committed to the defence of Singapore. Sir, I would like to ask the Minister in what other ways the Ministry intends to further inculcate the importance of Total Defence among the people of Singapore, particularly among our new migrants. I would also like to ask the Minister whether a co-ordinating committee exists to coordinate our efforts at Total Defence. If so, the work done by such a committee. Let me move on to the next topic on the SAF and East Timor. I must commend the SAF for the quiet but essential role by the SAF in East Timor as part of the INTERFET team. Our LSTs, though old, played a critical role in the transfer of much needed logistics. Our soldiers were also said to have conducted themselves in a professional and friendly manner with all the other INTERFET participating forces. They have done the SAF and Singapore proud.”
“Sir, our military is held in very high regard and Mindef has earned its reputation as an efficient, credible, disciplined and honest organisation. Therefore, it was with much concern that I read in the Auditor-General's report for FY 1998-1999 where it was highlighted that certain financial procedures were not adhered to and that some financial irregularities had taken place in Mindef. Mindef enjoys tremendous bipartisan support both within the House and among the ordinary people. Naturally, when the AG's report came out, there were eyebrows raised among the public. The matter is compounded by the fact that Mindef has to operate in a cloak of secrecy. Parliament assents to this cloak of secrecy by asking for few details on the budget of Mindef which amounts to $7.4 billion this year. The grant of this cloak of secrecy by Parliament in turn requires an even higher standard of responsibility and accountability for public money when compared to other Ministries. Sir, I note that the Auditor-General's report was brief on Mindef's reply. I would like to ask the Deputy Prime Minister, firstly, as to whether the Auditor-General's report is accurate on the matters raised; secondly, whether there was any loss of money to the Government on the matters raised in the report, and lastly, what measures will be taken to ensure that such lapses do not recur in future.”
“Sir, the Five Power Defence Arrangements (FPDA) did not conduct the Stardex air and sea exercises in 1998. The joint military exercises resumed in the South China sea in 1999. But the Malaysians had restricted the use of their air space during the exercise so much that during an accident the training forces had to apply and obtain permission from the Malaysian authorities for emergency rescue cooperation. The Malaysians had also indicated that in 1998 they would reassess their membership of the FPDA in a defence review by mid-1999. Sir, the FPDA is not a NATO-like military alliance. It is a regional security treaty linking Britain with Malaysia, Singapore, Australia, and New Zealand. The FPDA only requires the three western nations to consult with the two ASEAN Members should they be subject to attack. There is no automatic commitment to come to their aid. I am concerned as the FPDA, being a loose regional security alliance, requires total commitment from all its signatories for it to be credible and a sound deterrent. The natural question that arises is whether all the signatories are serious about their commitment to the FPDA. Could the DPM please update us on the developments in the FPDA and whether the defence arrangement still has a critical role to play in the defence of Singapore? I would also like to ask the DPM for his assessment on the commitment of the Malaysians to the FPDA.”
“How could we respond to this new US policy by participating in more regional military exercises which are aimed at creating better understanding and help bring the armed forces in the region together? Could these regional military exercises be the harbinger for a future regional military apparatus to be created in the region? And could it lead to a future regional military alliance among the neighbouring countries? Sir, could the DPM share Mindef's policies and view on these matters?”
“Sir, the years 1997 to 1999 were good years for the SAF. It brought home to the people of Singapore the sobering truth on the vitality of the region and the importance of a strong, credible SAF. The SAF enjoys tremendous support among our people. It is important that the SAF continues to remain vigilant and further strengthen Singapore's defence capability to protect the sovereignty of the country. Sir, the regional security situation remains uncertain. China continues to rely on threats and plans to use armed force to limit Taiwan's behaviour. Tensions on the Korean peninsula still continue. The multiple claims to the islands in the region still remain unresolved and skirmishes surface intermittently. The nuclear arms race is on in South Asia. The US-Japan alliance is still the cornerstone of US strategy for the region. It has been a cardinal policy of our Government to keep the US engaged militarily in the region, as a balancing force. However, an article in the International Herald Tribune, which is carried in today's Straits Times, highlights that the US will reduce its military profile in the Asia-Pacific. Admiral Dennis Blair, Commander-in-Chief of the US forces in the region, outlined the US military's new approach to Asia and the Pacific by stating that the US intends to achieve this by encouraging local armed forces to work more closely together and to take the lead in any regional crisis. Sir, I would like to ask the DPM to share with the House the strategic situation in the region and, in particular, the US defence policy in the region. Is the new US military policy for Asia-Pacific the beginning of the end for US commitment to the region? Are we doing enough to keep the US engaged in the region?”
“Sir, the Internet revolution has taken the world by storm but to date the English language is the predominant language of the Internet. Increasingly it has become clear that Internet development will take place in other languages. The trends seem clearly to indicate the number of people who are going to use their native languages to access the Internet will increase in future. In fact, recently the National University of Singapore spawned off as an individual business which provides registration of domain names in other languages. Similarly, MITA in the past has encouraged the use of Chinese Internet by setting up the Chinese Internet Steering Committee which has now been spawned off as a business. In fact, I was very happy that recently Singaporean Business Enterprises has got together and spawned off Huayi.net. In view of the new development and the future prospects on the Internet in terms of usage by different languages, I would like the Minister to tell us what are the plans that MCIT, in particular, IDA has, for the future development of Internet, particularly in the Singapore context for the three languages, which are Chinese, Malay and Tamil.”
“Sir, the Singapore film industry is making a comeback. A number of production houses and film makers have increased manifold. With the recent success of films like Money No Enough, Liang Po Po, That One Not Enough, more companies and individuals are looking at the film industry seriously. It will certainly encourage more film makers to consider making films here. The annual Film Festival has gone from strength to strength, and it has grown to bigger shows. It clearly shows that the film industry enjoys good support from the local audience. Sir, I am concerned whether we have enough talent to make film making a thriving and viable industry in Singapore in the long run. Are we producing the necessary actors, directors, production technicians, sound engineers and other support staff? If not, are we liberal in admitting foreign talent to supplement these talents? Are the right incentives and tax benefits in place for entrepreneurs to consider film making as a business venture? I would also like to ask whether enough is being done to bring foreign production houses into Singapore. Is the EDB actively working with MITA on this score? Similarly, Sir, the Singapore Film Commission was set up in 1998 under the National Arts Council. Its mission is to nurture, support and promote Singapore's talent in film making, production of Singapore's films and the film industry in Singapore. I would like the Minister to explain to the House as to how the Singapore Film Commission has gone about fulfilling its mission to-date. I also would ask the Minister to share with us his Ministry's programmes and plans for the film industry in Singapore and answers to the above matters.”
“Finally, Sir, let me move on to SportsCity. It has clearly satisfied the needs of many ardent sports lovers. Many of us who are sports lovers are happy to see more local events on competition being broadcast live on television, like the S-League games. I certainly hope that more local events can be shown more regularly on SportsCity, if possible, live on TV. This will certainly raise the profile of our local sportsmen and motivate many others to take up sports seriously. Perhaps the Minister can tell us how the Ministry intends to ensure a substantial number of local sports programme content and what is the future direction for SportsCity.”
“What I am worrying is that instead of restricting arts programmes to between 9 pm and 1 am, is it possible that some of these arts programmes be shown on earlier time slots when there is broadcast time, and even shifted to SportsCity whenever there are no sports programmes being shown on SportsCity? Let me now move to Vasantham Central, which caters to Indian audience. Sir, originally the time slot was from 7 pm to 9.30 pm, and now it has become from 6.30 pm to 9 pm on weekdays. The quality of the programmes has improved and it is heartening to see more local productions and children's programmes. Sir, the feedback I receive is the concern over the allotment of time for Tamil and non-Tamil programmes. There is a fear that slowly more non-Tamil programmes are coming into Vasantham Central. Perhaps the Minister can allay the fear by explaining what is the proportion of time that is allocated for Tamil and non-Tamil programmes. Perhaps the Minister could also disclose the viewership numbers for these two types of programmes. If there is indeed a programme from the non-Indians for movies like Hindi movies and dramas, would the Minister consider removing this slot to Suria where at present there is no broadcast before 5 pm on weekdays? Two groups of audience can enjoy these programmes if they are put on other channels provided a dual sound broadcast is also provided. Two groups of people can also enjoy on these time slots. Sir, let me move on to Kids Central. Sir, I think it has got a good programming slot and meets the needs of our kids, whether they are from the morning or afternoon school sessions. What I hope to see is more local children's productions and live broadcast of children's events from our schools on large scale community events.”
“Sir, 30th January 2000 saw the relaunch of two existing channels and the introduction of a new channel, namely, Suria, Central and SportsCity. Last year, we also saw the launch of Channel NewsAsia. These are new and bold initiatives of TCS and the Media Corporation of Singapore. First, let me deal with the topic of Channel NewsAsia. Sir, I am impressed with the quality of Channel NewsAsia programmes in reporting. It has certainly kept many Singaporeans updated on local and international developments, particularly on regional developments. Sir, my only complaint is, how long are they going to keep their broadcast on Channel 5? In the mornings between 6 am and 9 am, it gets boring to watch the same news being repeated on Channel NewsAsia between 6 am and 9 am. One cannot get away from them if we switch to Channel 5. While I understand the original rationale that some Singaporean homes could not access CNN, it has continued to slot on Channel 5 for far too long. I long for a breakfast programme like AM Singapore on Channel 5, and I also think there could be better use of broadcast in the morning on Channel 5. I hope this could be looked into. Let me now move on to the new Channel, which is Central. There are three slots here. The first slot belongs to Arts Central. I get good reviews on Arts Central because it has got a good programme mix and is well received by arts lovers. In trying to meet the needs of three segments, MCS has tied its hand with strict time slots. Arts Central was originally scheduled from 9.30 pm to 1 am. It was tough for arts lovers which include students too. Many of them carried heavy eye bags under their eyes. Sir, I am happy that the time slots have been brought earlier to 9 pm.”
“Can we also work out a scheme whereby all arts groups who wish to be co-located at an existing community club or a new community club can register themselves either with the People's Association or with the National Arts Council? Is there such a coordination already in place? If not, can we establish such a form of coordination so that arts groups can let know their intention that they are looking for a place? Sir, I would also like to ask how can MITA facilitate and encourage even the private sector to co-locate arts groups within their buildings. Here, Creative Technology has shown a fine example by offering $2 million and offering 12,000 sq ft of space at its headquarters building to be used for multi-cultural theatre training. We must find new ways for our arts groups to be housed not only in old vacant buildings but in new buildings as well. Grants should be given to such groups who are prepared to co-locate in these new buildings, be they from the Government or the private sector. For the private sector, perhaps incentives could be given whereby selective property tax and other monies expended for the arts groups' housing should be considered for tax deductions to further promote this idea of housing the arts groups. Would the Minister share with us the steps taken by the Ministry to provide housing for local arts groups?”
“Sir, we are fortunate that many of our arts groups are given help in many ways by MITA and, in particular, the National Arts Council. The two main complaints of local arts groups were that they did not receive financial assistance and that the cost of having their own building premises was too high. Sir, the first problem has been partly alleviated by both Government and the private sector joining hands to help them. It shows that many of our arts groups have gone on to bigger productions. The second common complaint by our arts groups has been that they do not have their own buildings. A home is very critical for arts groups. It helps them keep their members and audiences, and creates a bond between them. It will certainly remove any uncertainty, particularly among new members joining these groups, where it will be in the long run. It also gives them a certain sense of permanence. Here, the National Arts Council has helped through the Arts Housing Scheme. Through the scheme, one gets space for training, practise peformance, administration and storage. The NAC identifies suitable Government buildings and convert these spaces to house arts groups and organisations at subsidised rental. I understand that as at end 1998, the NAC had managed 17 buildings and 10 units of shophouses, housing 49 arts organisations, 26 visual artistes and two arts institutions, including NAFA and LaSalle under the Arts Housing Scheme. Sir, what I would like to ask the Minister is: have we done enough? I would like to ask the Minister whether his Ministry could do more. An innovative scheme was thought of when some of the arts groups were co-located in two new community centres, namely, Marine Parade and Ulu Pandan CCs.”
“We have also got to increase Government financial support to our arts groups and individual artists, and I share the concern of my GPC Chairman, when he said that the funding for NAC is way, way below as compared to our regional neighbours. We must also continue to build more performance arenas and make it affordable for arts groups. We have also equally got to ensure that foreign talent and arts performance companies set up office here and would hold shows here so that they not only serve the local market, but also the regional and international markets. In this, I would also urge MITA to see how we can initiate and hold more international arts events here to attract both locals and tourists alike. I would also like to ask MITA how they are working with other Ministries, like the Ministry of Finance and the EDB, to offer tax and other financial incentives and grants to attract businessmen to pursue opportunities in the arts field. Sir, I am confident that many Singaporeans share the same ambition of making Singapore an international arts centre and are behind the Government to ensure that we succeed. I would also like the Minister to share with us what are MITA's plans to realise our vision of making Singapore a renaissance city.”
“Sir, our Prime Minister revealed in his National Day Rally speech that MITA is developing a vision for Singapore to be a renaissance city. It has created some excitement among people in the arts community and Singaporeans at large. Sir, we have come a long way. MITA has been proactive in the arts scene. I am aware that both the Minister and MITA officials have been very encouraging towards local artists. The National Arts Council has been making milestones in initiating new projects and strengthening existing programmes. I am happy to see in the latest NAC magazine, a message from their Executive Director where his appeal to the arts community is "To work with us". He called for a linkage of minds and efforts between the arts community and the NAC. His call is a win-win approach as both are dependent on each other and have to work together if we are to make Singapore an arts hub. Sir, we must do more if we are to become a cultured and cultural society. All involved must do more if Singapore is to become an international arts hub. My wish list for the arts scene are many. Some of these are that we must further develop local talent by enhancing training and giving them more scholarships. They must be given more opportunities to perform so that they can become professionals. We must also help create more audience locally by educating the public on the arts as the key to the survival of our arts groups and artists are occupied seats, and not empty seats. We have also got to encourage and give incentives for our local productions to be created and marketed both locally and overseas.”
“Sir, the ARF has evolved as an informal, consultative and consensus building forum. Its biggest contribution has been enhancing confidence among its members and its dialogue partners. The ARF has also played a pivotal role in keeping the large powers engaged in a consultative mood. I was happy to hear from the Minister earlier that partners who would not on their own accord meet and discuss problems have met during the meetings at the ARF. So what I would want to ask the Minister is: can the ARF progress and take on the role of preventive diplomacy and conflict resolution? Could the Minister also give us an update on the ARF held last year and the future direction of the ARF?”
“Sir, ASEAN has undergone severe stress over the last two years. The regional economic crisis has seriously dented its reputation. New tensions between ASEAN countries have appeared under the stress of the crisis and many have complained that ASEAN is seen as lacking a clear vision and a common strategy of overcoming a common enemy in the economic crisis. Sir, further questions have arisen as to whether ASEAN's expansion with new members who are at different levels of economic and political developments has made decision-making in ASEAN clumsier and slower. 6.30 pm Sir, a serious question has arisen among other critics as to whether ASEAN continues to remain as a useful organisation and as a beneficial forum for regional issues. Sir, our Minister served as the Chairman of the ASEAN Standing Committee during the last year and presided over key ASEAN meetings. I would like to ask the Minister whether this perception of ASEAN as an organisation in disarray is justified. Was the economic crisis the main cause of ASEAN's problems and whether ASEAN can overcome these problems? Also, whether there are existing mechanisms within ASEAN where even bilateral problems can be resolved.”
“Sir, the East Asia Latin America Forum (EALAF) was the brainchild of our Prime Minister. East Asia is a region of significant economic, political and security importance. It will also grow in greater importance and, as such, it is critical that East Asia maintains links with all parts of the globe, with both individual countries and other regions. Similarly, Latin America and South America are fast growing regions. They are also equally important in the economic, political and security arena. Sir, it is important that the links between the two blocs be enhanced and strengthened. I would like the Minister to outline the developments on EALAF and the future plans for EALAF.”
“Sir, it has been two years since Myanmar joined ASEAN. I would like to ask the Minister to give an update as to what is the benefit and the problems that have arisen as a result of admitting Myanmar into ASEAN and also to give us an update as to what has constructive engagement by ASEAN resulted as far as the internal developments in Myanmar are concerned.”
“Singapore has helped East Timor through our participation in international peace keeping forces and through the UN. How would Singapore help East Timor in its preparation for independence and after it becomes a sovereign state? Like Dr Ong, I would like to know whether Singapore would support East Timor when it becomes independent and wants to join ASEAN.”
“Sir, East Timor has embarked on its route to recovery. The visual pictures on television, however, clearly show that there is not much of an infrastructure left in the country. The United Nations transitional administration on East Timor faces an uphill task in rebuilding the software and hardware for a new East Timor. I am happy that Singapore has contributed significantly to-date to East Timor. Singapore has shown its support to the United Nations by participating in both the UNAMET and the present UNTAET. Sir, MINDEF's logistics and medical supplies were well utilised for the benefit of the people of East Timor. We have been through the same process. We had been a young nation before and we had undergone a similar traumatic experience when we left the bigger federation. We have also faced similar economic and security uncertainty when the British pulled out. Sir, we should empathise with the needs of the East Timorese. In fact, whether by coincidence or not, both Singapore and East Timor share similar nine alphabets in their names, and I do not know whether we have to undergo this painful process in life. Sir, I would like to urge the Minister to study the needs of the East Timorese and consider extending as much assistance to the East Timorese, because East Timor is within the region and I think they will appreciate and remember who are their friends who have helped them when they were in need. I would like to ask the Minister whether we have received any specific request or assistance from the East Timorese and what is our response and whether we have independently offered any other form of assistance to the East Timorese. Mr Hawazi Daipi: Sir, I would like to ask similar questions as my two colleagues have done.”
“Sir, our Government-linked companies were formed in the 1960s and 1970s to spearhead business undertakings in spheres where business investments were large or where ordinary businessmen would not dare to venture due to many reasons, and also certain industries were set up for security purposes. But in the 1980s and 1990s, some of these GLCs had decided that, in order to boost their profit level, they should go into businesses which are actually the domain of the small and medium size industries. Some of our GLCs have gone into business like freight forwarding, small property development, even when it is not their core businesses, and even own croissant businesses. Sir, this is something that we should avoid, and it is perhaps timely, and I endorse the call made by my learned friend, Mr Ong Kian Min, that we should re-examine what exactly should be the role of our GLCs. Perhaps the Minister has to establish a committee to identify what is the new role of GLCs in the 21st century. I think they should become trail-blazers in the new economy. They should go on into new businesses and bring Singapore's economy into new areas where they become leaders, and also show example to the other companies which are local as to where the opportunities lie. They should become global players, play among the whales, and not play in our backyard ponds where smaller fish exist. On this note, Sir, I hope that the Minister will ensure that our GLCs do not compete with local businesses and go downstream. There are many players locally and try not to take over their business but encourage them to venture abroad or venture into new businesses where there is no competition.”
“Similarly, the Law Society of Singapore has done an excellent community service in providing criminal legal aid to needy Singaporeans. The scheme has been in place for many years, in fact, since 1985. Unlike many other countries, our State does not provide criminal legal aid to Singaporeans. The provision which was there in the Legal Aid and Advice Act to provide for criminal legal aid has been removed. The number clearly shows that the Criminal Legal Aid Scheme has benefited many Singaporeans. The scheme that is run by the Law Society has 403 volunteers and for the period 1985 to 1999, 5,752 applicants applied for legal aid under the Criminal Legal Aid Scheme and 1,318 were granted criminal legal aid. Some of these people who received criminal legal aid were acquitted. Some have had their charges withdrawn or reduced. This clearly establishes the necessity of providing for criminal legal aid to needy Singaporeans. I do not think it is fruitful to pursue the argument that the State should provide and administer the Criminal Legal Aid Scheme. What I would like to urge the Minister is whether he could consider granting an annual grant to the Criminal Legal Aid Scheme (CLAS) run by the Law Society, so as to enable them to expand their system to more needy Singaporeans. I personally know that the Minister has, in his personal capacity, put in great efforts to raise funds for the Law Society's Criminal Legal Aid Scheme and that is something commendable. But it equally shows that the cause is a good cause. I am not asking for a 100% grant for the CLAS scheme. Perhaps, the Minister could consider approving an annual grant to cover at least 50% of the cost of the CLAS scheme so as to enable criminal legal aid to be extended to more needy Singaporeans. 2.15 pm”
“Sir, our judiciary has been proclaimed as one of the best judicial systems in the world. People are by and large happy that the legal process is expeditious and fair. However, it has become clear that increasingly, people are complaining that legal costs are rising in Singapore. I am not sure whether this is due to the cost of our court fees or lawyers' fees. I have seen a number of my residents during my meet-the-people sessions who have come to see me both on criminal and civil matters affecting them. A number of them have highlighted that they cannot afford to engage private lawyers due to their fees. I have referred some to the Legal Aid Bureau and some others to the Criminal Legal Aid Scheme run by the Law Society of Singapore. The two bodies that I have highlighted have done an excellent job in providing legal services for free or for a nominal fee. Sir, I have learnt of cases where some of these residents come outside the means test set by the Legal Aid Bureau and, as such, were not granted legal aid. I understand that the present means test is set at $7,000 per annum. In divorce cases, I am told that only the income of the individual who is coming for legal aid is looked at. In any other case, the income of the whole family is looked at, that is, if it exceeds $7,000 per annum, they do not qualify. I think that the amount that is laid down for the means test is low and I share the concern expressed by my hon. colleague, Dr Lily Neo, and I hope and urge the Minister to consider raising the means test level that has been set in the Act itself and see how that amount can be raised so that more Singapore residents, particularly those who come from the lower income bracket, can be helped.”
“At times, there are even signs stating that no games can be played on such land. I would like to appeal to the Minister to see how we can make better use of public vacant land. I would like to urge the Minister to consider ways to make them available for public use, be they for sports or other social activities. The Land Office can be pro-active by putting up signboards stating that games can be played or concerts organised on such land. The Land Office can also take the lead in ensuring that idle land is well-used for public purposes. As for other landowners like Ministries, statutory boards and GLCs, they can also take the lead in ensuring that their idle land can be used for public purposes by the public. Such action may even motivate large private landowners to open up their land for public use pending future development. Such action will certainly be welcomed by the public and help minimise the lost opportunity cost of not fully utilising such vacant land.”
“Being a sportsman, I know that there are many sportsmen who find it difficult to book football or hockey fields, particularly at weekends. It saddens me to see young boys playing at void decks and even at linked buildings just because they have nowhere else to play football. In some instances, many of our youths end up playing football or sepak takraw in basketball courts or in carparks. In some private estates, boys even play football on the roads. There is definitely a big shortage of land in Singapore for open-air sports, particularly in the HDB heartland and in Singapore in general. I recall an incident in my division where there was a large plot of land waiting to be developed as a park. Noticing the absence of good football fields, I arranged for two football goal-posts to be placed on the field. Soon thereafter, I noticed that the field became a hive for football activities in the evenings and on weekends. Then suddenly, one day, the goal-posts were torn down and left there. On enquiry, I discovered that the land owner, who is a statutory board, not the Land Office, had removed it as no written permission was obtained from them. Fortunately, subsequently, written permission was obtained and my residents are back to playing football on the same field but with a new set of goal-posts. I am highlighting this incident to show that it requires an MP to get this field for his residents. Sir, there are many parcels of State land which are sitting idle and waiting to be sold later at Government sales programme. Some may not even be considered for sale for many years to come. The public is afraid of using such land. It is not unusual to see signboards being put up stating that it is State land and that there can be no trespassing.”
“Sir, I am raising the concern as some of these bodies that are created by a statute of Parliament are not audited by the Auditor-General. They are in some cases audited by private auditors. In the absence of clear law stating a requirement that persons serving in these bodies declare their personal or professional interest, one can participate in a decision that involves such interest and get away with it. When caught, some may even argue that there is no such requirement in law or that they were unaware of this requirement. Sir, many of these organisations have large funds and, in many cases, funds are raised from the public. It will be prudent to place safeguards before a serious incident arises. I would like to urge the Minister to review all existing legislation and see whether there are Acts which need to be strengthened with the addition of the disclosure of interest clause. Lastly, Sir, I would like to compliment the Minister and the Attorney-General's Chambers for introducing such clauses in all new legislation that have come before this House. 2.00 pm Let me move on to the next topic, Sir, which is the management of State land. The Land Office is the custodian of State land. By virtue of their special position, they have become the biggest landlord in Singapore. I understand that the Land Office releases its land to the market according to the Government sales programme and the needs of the Government. The buildings of the Land Office are managed by a private real estate firm. This is good and prudent management of state assets. Sir, in land scarce Singapore, we have to ensure that land that is owned by the State is well-managed and used to its maximum.”
“Sir, it is the pillar of our Government that honesty and integrity is maintained at all levels of Government. To this, the Government has set several systems of checks and balances. It is also good financial policy and prudence that there is transparency in financial matters. Transparency involves an open and visible manner of making decisions so that the public organisation that one serves can benefit from the best deal that the organisation can get. Sir, I have perused many legislation that have been passed by this House in the past. I am happy to note that many of these legislation contain adequate provisions requiring individual members of the responsible agencies to declare their interest in any matter considered by them. For example, members of the Boards of HDB, EDB and JTC, among other Government organisations, are required to declare their interest and not participate in any decision that may conflict with their personal or professional business. This is one of the symbols and cornerstones of our transparent system of governance. Sir, in those legislation that one finds the provision requiring declaration of interest, it is usually found in the main Act itself, or in the Schedule to the Act. Perhaps, the agencies that I have highlighted above deal with big money and hence the legislative safeguards to protect public funds. Sir, I have also noted that there are other legislation where there is no requirement for declaration of interest in the main Act, or in the Schedule to the Act, for example, in the Administration of Muslim Law Act, the Hindu Endowments Board Act, the Nanyang Polytechnic Act and the Nanyang University Act, among others.”
“So perhaps this is something that the Minister could consider implementing, so that people who are determined subsequently to be innocent would not end up serving in the remand prison just because they are unable to raise the bail money.”
“Two points of clarification for the Minister. The first point is on the issue of imposing a condition on the offender for not consuming alcohol. Sir, I am quite sure, as part of the condition for release, the prison authorities will be imposing certain conditions. Similarly, one of it will be that he cannot consume drugs. Naturally, the officers will be making surprise visits to meet this offender. By imposing a condition that they do not consume alcohol imposes on them a condition that they stay sober and also makes sure that this is not a luxury which they enjoy at home but it would be monitored. So I would urge the Minister to impose it as a matter of condition because this is something that is even introduced in Sweden and they have found that it can be successfully monitored if your officers are keen. If the condition is there, I think the offender will know that there is such a condition. If he infringes it, he goes back to prison. So I hope that the Minister would include this condition into the terms. Sir, the second issue is on the question of pre-trial option to go on electronic tagging. My concern is that there are cases where individuals, who come from poor families, before they are determined whether they are guilty or innocent, because they are unable to raise the bail money, they end up being in the remand prison. And these are instances which I consider sad cases. An option can be given to them to opt for electronic tagging, so that they avoid going to prison. I think it is an option that can be considered, and it is also being considered in the United Kingdom in certain districts.”
“I was happy that the Minister in his speech had mentioned that there will be mandatory counselling for such people who are placed on this HDS Scheme. Sir, I would also like to know whether, among the conditions to be imposed, there will be a condition that these offenders are to completely refrain from alcohol consumption during their period of home detention. I would also like to know whether the consent of all adults living in the same residence as the detainee would be obtained prior to placing him under the HDS. Similarly, I am also wondering whether the Minister would insist that all individuals who are placed on this HDS must be gainfully employed or must be undergoing some sort of a study programme. Otherwise, whether they would be released on this HDS scheme. Lastly, Sir, I would also ask the Minister whether he would consider extending the scheme to various types of categories of prisoners and various types of schemes. This is very interesting because there are cases where during pre-trial certain individuals who are unable to put up bail, are now at the moment placed in the remand prison. This is one option which could be experimented by the Ministry whereby individuals who are unable to raise money could perhaps be placed under this electronic tagging so they are not sent to prison and be contaminated by other prisoners while they are detained there. Similarly, whether this HDS scheme could also be considered for pregnant offenders, handicapped offenders, primary family care providers and juvenile offenders. Sir, I hope the Minister would see how the scheme could be made flexible enough to ensure that we provide various alternatives in rehabilitating our crime offenders in Singapore. On that note, Sir, I support the Bill.”
“Such an alternative sentencing minimises the risks for social dislocation by allowing the offender to maintain his employment and family contacts. It also reduces the rate of new criminal behaviour being learned during periods of imprisonment. It is something which will be very suitable for young offenders who are studying or offenders who may need regular medical treatment. The way the sentencing scheme exists at the moment, for example, for a youthful offender is he either gets probation or he goes to prison. There may be cases where some youthful offenders fall in between, and I think HDS may be more appropriate for them so that they are not exposed to prison environment where they pick up bad habits and may become more difficult to turn over a new leaf. Sir, fifthly, I would also like to ask the Minister whether the Ministry would be taking responsibility and would also be exposing itself to be liable for any crimes that may be committed by such prisoners who are released under this Home Detention Scheme. For example, if a person who is under the HDS commits an offence where he causes economic loss or injures somebody in commiting another crime, then naturally, under the law, perhaps the Ministry may be exposed. I do not see a clause in the Bill itself which exempts the Ministry which is trying out this scheme from being liable under this scheme. Perhaps, we have to look at this carefully because I am quite sure that there will be some offenders who may end up committing offence and the person who is hurt or who suffers economic loss may be looking towards the Ministry for compensation. I was happy because I was concerned whether the person who is placed on this HDS scheme will be forced to go for counselling.”
“If five persons participate in an offence which involves violence, three of them could merely be standing there but they may have the intention, but they did not actually participate in the violent offence, beating up somebody or rioting. But by putting specifically here that such a person is disqualified, individuals who may actually qualify for the scheme may inadvertently be left out and may be disqualified under the scheme. I would urge the Minister to see whether the Schedule and the criteria for disqualification can be reconsidered and worded in a wide manner whereby individuals who may be caught under crimes, whether it is an attempt, or abetment or just merely being present, are also given a chance to go under this HDS scheme and are not automatically disqualified as the way the present disqualification has been written. Sir, I would also like to ask the Minister as to why short-term prisoners cannot be placed under the scheme. The way the Bill is drafted in the proposed section 38B specifically says that one cannot be qualified for home detention for a period exceeding six months and also that those who are given sentence must have a minimum imprisonment sentence of six months of which he may not have served three months. So basically, those who are going to qualify for this offence must have been given a prison sentence of six months or more. My question is: could this scheme be also extended to those who are given even shorter prison sentences? In Sweden, for example, Sir, short-term prisoners are given home detention as an alternative to prison sentence, that means, they do not even go to the prison in the first place.”
“Are we too rigid in sticking to the present process whereby we give remission for good behaviour which is usually about one third of the prison sentence? Sir, if the prison authorities and the counsellors who are counselling the prisoners are of the opinion that this prisoner is one who deserves to be given a chance and that he has behaved well and should be released to society, perhaps we need to even amend the Act to provide that the Prisons Director, or even the Minister, should have the power to release this prisoner back into society so that he can be rehabilitated into society even without this HDS. Sir, the next issue is the question of who bears the cost of this tagging and monitoring system because this is something which remains unanswered in the Bill. I would like to ask the Minister whether the cost of the HDS Scheme is lesser or greater in relation to keeping the prisoner in prison at the moment. Sir, I would also like to ask the Minister the criteria applied to disqualified offenders. Paragraph (7) of the Schedule basically is too restrictive. It tries to lay down a list of criteria which basically covers sex and violent offenders. But looking at the provisions that are laid there, I think the authorities who drafted the Schedule have in a way tied down their hands. Because for a start, there are some offences which are not even specified, offences under the Vandalism Act, the Armed Offences Act, Corrosive and Explosive Substances and Offensive Weapons Act. These are offences which are not specifically mentioned. On the other hand, there are offences like rioting which are mentioned. I would say that the list ties the hands of the authorities because offenders commit offences in various circumstances. For example, an offence of rioting.”
“Sir, I am happy that the Ministry of Home Affairs is embarking on this Home Detention Scheme (HDS) for prisoners at the tail end of their prison sentence. I assume that MHA has had considerable success in its implementation of the scheme with drug supervisees who were placed on drug supervision via this electronic tagging. If this scheme was successful, then I am happy. But if there were problems, perhaps the Minister could share with us what were the problems that they had faced in its implementation and how these problems had been overcome. For example, I have learned that in the United Kingdom some of these prisoners were placed on electronic tagging. When they came into contact with some big equipment or objects in their house, the tagging system failed and many of them had to be returned to prison. So I want to know whether we have any such problems in the past implementation of this scheme here. In respect of the present Bill, I have the following points to raise, Sir. Is this scheme being extended to prisoners as a means to alleviate over-crowding in the prisons, as was the case in the United Kingdom? If so, whether steps are being taken to expand the capacity of our prisons. I would also like to ask the Minister whether over-crowding in our prisons is because of our enhanced sentencing for many offences and whether the Minister intends to relook at the sentencing regime in place at present. Secondly, if the scheme's intention is that there are prisoners who are suitable and have shown good behaviour to deserve to be placed on the HDS, could there be a mechanism whereby such prisoners are released earlier than having to go through this HDS process?”
“The Singapore worker is widely broadcast as the number one workforce in the world and the Singapore trade union movement as a responsible one that is not afraid to put national interests before that of sectoral interest. Our legal system governing employment is ranked high by investors. We have a track record to show our responsibility as a movement and its workforce. Only last year, Singapore workers accepted a wage cut without any social unrest. I ask: in these provisions of the Bill, is the Government giving a different signal in its trust and faith in the Singapore workers and the Singapore unions? Is there enough confidence in our present legal system? Finally, I would like to say the solution to ensure that we have got the right people, highly motivated people working for the Agency for the good of the country, is not by placing restrictions on people, but rather by putting in place procedures in which grievances can be handled quickly, effectively and smoothly, and you have processes and procedures to handle people's needs and aspirations. There will be differences. Any organisation will have differences but we must address them and resolve them fairly and justly. Singapore's proven way of treating people and workers fairly by giving them reasonable and good remuneration, listening to concerns, addressing them and involving them or using active citizenship, has worked in most places, and there is a track record to it. If you follow these tested methods, then I am sure that the Agency will have a highly motivated and committed workforce and in that case, there is no need to worry so much of trade disputes and industrial actions. This is a challenge for management and I urge the Minister to review and clarify these points.”
“To show this question, I just want to review and talk about the laws that exist here. We have the Criminal Law (Temporary Provisions) Act and the Trade Disputes Act which prohibit strikes and lock-outs in water, electricity and gas services. It is these three areas which render service to the community and we are all dependent on them. But while the law prohibits a strike, it also prohibits lock-out. I ask why this Agency, which is so important to national interest, prohibits strikes but not lock-out. The Criminal Law (Temporary Provisions) Act and the Trade Disputes Act also provide for workers in essential services to give two weeks' notice before commencing a strike or industrial action. It has to be in pursuit of a trade dispute. It has to be employment related. And the Trade Unions Act actually says that the majority of union members who are involved have to give support for this industrial action and they have to show their support through a secret ballot. And during this period of two weeks' cooling-off period, efforts can be made to resolve the dispute and if the dispute is referred to the Industrial Arbitration Court, no strike or industrial action can take place. Strike, I say again, is an extreme measure taken only if pushed and there are no other options available. The Industrial Relations Act in Singapore therefore has comprehensive provisions for collective bargaining, conciliation and arbitration of trade disputes. These provisions have given us industrial peace with justice. It has served us well. Why does the Agency not want to use the existing laws instead of imposing new and seemingly unnecessary restrictions on trade unions and workers? The other point that I said is whether we are giving the right signals.”
“When employees are unhappy, they normally express it by voicing out their complaints. In most places, when they are not heard, they leave. So we say that you either voice it or if it cannot be heard, you just leave and exit. This Bill puts restrictions on both. And I ask: is it really necessary? Are we sending the right signal? Is our existing law not adequate to handle differences that may arise between an Agency, or for that matter, any employer, and its employees? Someone who wants to leave and he is asked to carry on is an unhappy worker which will not contribute to morale and general work environment of the workplace. So why is he leaving? And if there was a union, he could articulate his concerns and aspirations of workers which can be addressed early, wisely and reduce the chance of a trade dispute arising. Coming on to clause 11(4) on strikes and industrial action, I would like to say that strike is an ultimate weapon for the workers and the unions. Even if the workers call for a strike, the workers have a great probability that they might lose their jobs, they might lose their income and, in some countries, even their lives. Strikes are never a preferred option for trade unions. In Singapore, there had not been a strike since 1977 except for one during the last recession. Strikes, since they are not a preferred option, happen for various reasons. One of it is that it is actually an open manifestation of conflict and a total breakdown of consensus. It is an explosion of pent-up feelings. These feelings and bad blood get bottled up because procedures to handle disputes are inefficient or inadequate. I also accept that there may even be elements who might use strikes to promote their narrow interests and cause havoc. But are these possible in today's Singapore?”
“It may perhaps be appropriate if the secrecy of the matter is verified by a third party, perhaps even by a committee to be appointed by the Prime Minister under clause 32, which hopefully will not be one that is totally dominated by the Executive. Sir, with those comments, I support the Bill. Mr Thomas Thomas (Nominated Member): Mr Speaker, Sir, the strengthening of national security deserves the support of every Singaporean and I therefore support the strengthening of national security and what this Bill aims to achieve. The difference that this Agency will make heavily depends on the quality and the motivation of people who work in this Agency. I support what the Minister said that you need to have talent and talent that can work smart. So in reviewing the Bill, I have looked at how this Agency tries to look at staff matters, the people who work for this Agency. I am glad that they spend more than one part devoted to staff matters and staff moving to this Agency from elsewhere were given an assurance that they would not lose out in terms of remuneration and recognition of service. As employees of a statutory board, I assume that they can be a trade union, they can get representation rights and these are positive things. However, there are some aspects of the provision that do not really give the right signal that people are valuable, can be trusted and can be treated as such. I have some concerns on those provisions and I would like to express them. I am referring to clause 11(2) that empowers the Minister to compel an employee to carry on working even if he or she has tendered in her resignation as well as clause 11(4) which prohibits employees from going on strike or to take industrial action.”
“Who sits in this committee to be appointed by the Prime Minister is unclear and nowhere does it say that Members of Parliament will be represented in this committee. As Parliament dispenses funds to the Ministry of Defence and in turn they dispense this fund to the DSTA, I would urge that this committee to be appointed is one that takes into its ambit people from different fields who can supervise the work of DSTA and ensure that the funds of the DSTA are properly used and some of the research that is undertaken by the DSTA is appropriate to the needs of our defence forces. I would also urge the Minister to see whether there could be certain instances where the report of DSTA could be given to Parliament. Because in the United Kingdom there is an equivalent agency called the Defence Research Agency which indeed provides its report to Parliament on what exactly it does, not in specifics, but at least a broad picture of what exactly it does so that Members of Parliament can see what exactly this organisation is doing and in particular whether the fund and research that is being undertaken are appropriately and properly used. Sir, naturally, as the body that approves the money for DSTA, Parliament will be interested in ensuring that these funds are effectively and efficiently used. Sir, another issue that I am concerned with is clause 32(3) which states that a ministerial certificate stating a matter to be secret will be deemed secret and cannot be disclosed to Parliament or any other person. Sir, I am a little uncomfortable, as I am always wary of the judge and jury being the same person.”
“Sir, I am not sure that this is a provision worth inserting as it is no good trying to keep an employee whom you have tried to persuade to stay but refuses. So why keep a body if his soul is not in it? Sir, the courts have long hesitated to supervise such clauses as it is something very difficult to supervise and implement. Perhaps, the Minister may wish to delete the clause and try persuasion and provide incentives for such employees to stay. Sir, another clause which is clause 11(4), prohibits strikes and industrial action. Naturally, some are concerned as to whether it is something that infringes the right of every worker in Singapore and whether we are compromising the rights of workers in Singapore. I would have been much happier if the mechanism on how workers' rights would be protected in the DSTA could have been spelt out either in the Bill itself or as a Schedule to the Bill so that employees within the DSTA can feel comforted that their grievances and problems can be heard by the management in the appropriate way and some resolution sought in the most appropriate way within the organisation. Sir, I look forward to the DSTA working out an arrangement, together with the involvement of the trade union movement, NTUC in Singapore to ensure that workers within the DSTA are adequately protected. Sir, another issue that I would like to raise is on the question of accountability to Parliament. Sir, clause 19 recognises that the Minister dispenses money given by Parliament to DSTA. But nowhere in the Bill do I see any accountability to Parliament. The Bill requires under clause 30 the annual report of the DSTA to be given to the Minister for Defence and he, in turn, will hand it to a committee to be appointed by the Prime Minister.”
“Sir, I welcome the introduction of this Bill which will see the creation of the DSTA which has evolved out of the restructuring of the Ministry of Defence's Defence Technology Group. It will certainly become a one-stop Agency to advise MINDEF on key matters as laid out in the Bill. Sir, I certainly endorse the statement of the GPC Chairman for Defence and Foreign Affairs on the pivotal role of technology, how it will help one to win wars. Sir, I would like to urge the Deputy Prime Minister to consider the following matters in respect of the Bill. The first matter that I would like to raise is on the composition of the board of directors under clause 5(1). Sir, the First Schedule states that the persons who can be appointed must have public administration experience or be involved in the defence, science or technology field. Sir, I would urge the Minister to consider the scope of those who would qualify as I feel that it would be unduly restrictive if one was to restrict appointees to these two categories. With the Agency aiming to be nimble and something that would be similar to a corporatised agency, it will be appropriate if other individuals who may qualify should be considered and co-opted as directors of the board. Perhaps, some CEOs in the private sector who may be able to contribute good corporate practice or certain business practices can be incorporated as directors to the board. I would urge that the clause in the Schedule be amended to also include a clause to say that "any other individual whom the Minister deems appropriate or fit to serve as director". Sir, I would like to raise another issue under clause 11(2) which requires an employee to work for the DSTA when the Minister so orders.”
“Because if it means that they control 99% or a substantial percentage, I think it may even lead to a situation where some of these smaller law firms, as Mr K Shanmugam earlier stated, may be used as a front like an Ali Baba operation where they merely rubber stamp documents and the prime beneficiary becomes the foreign law firm. I think it is wise or perhaps it is something which we should look carefully into how foreign law firms take an interest in the local practice. We have to ensure that perhaps the local firms which are involved in these joint local ventures or foreign law alliances do control the majority, at least in the initial stage, so that the fear that some of the smaller firms may be used as a Trojan Horse to win the business of the corporate world here will be avoided. I would urge the Attorney-General, in formulating the rules, to be mindful of the fear of many of the law firms here that these joint local ventures, if there are loopholes in the shareholding structure, may be used to come and take away business from the local law firms, particularly the bigger law firms, Sir. On that note, I support the Legal Profession (Amendment) Bill, Sir.”