Tim Farron
MP for Westmorland and Lonsdale · Liberal Democrat · United Kingdom
“The Government aim to reclaim 30% of our land and seas for nature. I welcome that, and much of the action plan, but 70% of England’s landmass is agricultural land. Does the Minister agree that we must start by ensuring that all farmers have access to environmental schemes—not just those who apply for them the quickest?”
“I thank the Minister for early sight of the statement. On my way into Kendal this morning, before I came down to Parliament, I observed the jarring reality of fields yellowing in the dry heat and the River Kent so low that I could see the bedrock.”
“They are often under coercion, and may not realise that they are victims of modern slavery until much later, so giving people only a handful of days to declare themselves victims is cruel and, again, performative. There is nothing in this Bill to undo or relax the moratorium on family reunion, which is a safe route.”
“It turned out, though, that every single person in that young mothers group had been a victim of sexual violence between the ages of 14 and 20. There are reasons why women do not end up on these boats, and do not take those risky journeys.”
“I certainly think that people who are seeking asylum in this country should be given the right to work. First, it will help them to integrate, if their asylum claim is successful; secondly, it will enable them to cover the cost of their accommodation and many other things while they are here.”
“This Bill is riddled with bogus context and false premises, as are most debates on this issue. It is worth bearing in mind that the majority of European Union countries take more asylum seekers per head than the United Kingdom.”
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“We call on the Government to introduce a blue corridor programme for rivers, chalk streams and lakes to ensure clean and healthy water through the creation of a new blue flag status. Many rivers and lakes have sites with bathing water status, including near Coniston and Windermere in my own patch, but what will surprise many people is the fact that having bathing water status means just that a location will be tested more frequently; it does not automatically mean that it is any cleaner. There were over 24,000 sewage spills last year into our bathing waters alone, for a duration of over 179,000 hours. Surfers Against Sewage found that the Government’s new bathing water feasibility test lacking.”
“I agree. The Ministers are really lucky in so many ways. They are in the best the Department and—like few others in government—they have an army of volunteers to call upon who will be their arms and legs out in the community. We ask the Government to empower those volunteers even more. If there is one more intervention, I will take it. [ Interruption. ] No? Then I will now plough on to the bitter end, which is not too far off, I promise. People have talked about blue flag status. That is one of the key proposals in the motion. The point of blue flag status for rivers, chalk streams and lakes is that it is a practical way of forcing water companies to be more accountable for the safety of swimmers and for the ongoing protection of precious habitats and ecosystems.”
“Third parties such as those present, the National Farmers’ Union and other organisations should be permitted to make referrals anonymously on behalf of those farmers who are being ripped off. On top of that, the referee—the Groceries Code Adjudicator—should simply be given yellow and red cards to mean something, to hold those more powerful parts of the industry to account. There are thousands of producers, but only a handful of processors and supermarkets, so of course it is an imbalanced and unfair market. A referee has to have cards—otherwise, what is the point? My final point about the Groceries Code Adjudicator is that, last time I checked, it had five staff—what is that up against an industry that is massively better supported? Let us support our farmers by ensuring that the market is fair and that it is refereed fairly and strongly.”
“I am proud that one of the things that came from the Liberal Democrats manifesto and went into the coalition agreement was the establishment of the Groceries Code Adjudicator. I was frustrated, though, that we ended that Government with it not having the powers that we wanted it to have. To protect farmers of all kinds, I would love the Minister and the Government in general to consider very seriously ensuring that the Groceries Code Adjudicator can accept referrals on the fairness or otherwise of deals between farmers and processors, not just farmers and supermarkets. Anonymity should be kept within the system. We can see why a farmer would not want to refer their deal, because it might be the only one they have, even though it is not a fair one.”
“If we lose pig producers and pig farmers, we simply offshore the industry and end up in a situation where our ability to secure pig products becomes more difficult, more expensive and, importantly, less secure. These regulations will build in transparency, security, clarity and fairness in the pig sector, in particular for the producers themselves. Let me say a word about the role of the Groceries Code Adjudicator. In no small part, the draft regulations are necessary because we do not allow the Groceries Code Adjudicator to intervene in arrangements where there is not a direct link between the producer, the farmer and the retailer. Yet, a massive majority of deals are with pig farmers, or indeed other farmers, and a processor of some kind or another.”
“Member for Epping Forest, talked about the other threats that farming faces, and that is absolutely true. People talk about the impact of the inheritance tax changes on family farms, which will be a massive blow for hundreds in my constituency. We will wait and see. I have tabled plenty of parliamentary questions to try and find that out, but the University of Cumbria’s research tends to conclude that the underspend on the current departmental budget for the environmental land management scheme will be in the region of £400 million. That money is not in farmers’ pockets, and that undermines our ability to have a food security. As I mentioned, a fair market is crucial to food security.”
“Without safety, security and fairness in the sector, we stand the chance of losing it all together. It is right that the intervention happened, as other Members have talked about. Post Brexit, we saw a terrible crisis, particularly in staffing of the sector, which saw the culling of tens of thousands of healthy animals, as we have heard. That was appalling for those animals, and appalling and heartbreaking for the families involved. A devastation lingers, which has driven us in no small part to this stage. It is right to give credit to the previous Government. The consultation began in 2022, following that crisis. I have also paid tribute to all who were involved in that consultation, providing the feedback that was instrumental in leading us to where we are now. The spokesperson for the official Opposition, the hon.”
“It is a pleasure to serve under your guidance this afternoon, Ms Vaz. Likewise, I am very supportive of the draft regulations. The UK pig industry is something that we should all be proud of. It is instrumental to our rural communities right across the country and an important exporter, but it also maintains the highest quality of produce and animal welfare standards. That is important in an era in which we are seeking potential deals with countries whose animal welfare standards may not be quite so high. The industry is vital to our rural economy and our food security. John Maynard Keynes said, among many other wise things: “Markets can remain irrational longer than you can remain solvent.” The reality is that the market is ambivalent, at best, on whether we have a strong pig sector.”
“Member for North Northumberland (David Smith), and for recognising that freedom of religion and belief is something we must always fight for because especially for Christians, as we live our counter-cultural lives, we will always be offensive following one who caused the greatest of all offences and died on a cross for all of our sins.”
“I heard Justin Welby being interviewed by Laura Kuenssberg the other weekend, as many hon. Members will have. The most irritating part of the interview, from my perspective, is when Justin Welby did not push back when Laura Kuenssberg said, “Why isn’t the Church more in tune with the culture?” That is because we are not meant to be. We are counter-cultural in every place and generation, which will wind up dictators and so-called democrats. That is why I pay tribute to the Prime Minister for appointing the hon.”
“Christians believe we have ultimate allegiance somewhere else. Famously in Matthew 22:20, Jesus is approached by someone who is trying to catch him out by asking, “Are you going to pay taxes to the temple? Are you going to pay taxes to Caesar?” Jesus picks up a coin and says, “Whose image is on this coin?” The image is of Caesar’s. Jesus famously says, “Give to Caesar what is Caesar’s, and to God what is God’s.” That may or may not be an instruction to pay taxes, but it is definitely about giving the image-bearer—or the image-provider—all of what the image entails. That coin had Caesar’s image on it, but God’s image is on us—so yes, give the coin to Caesar, but give all of oneself to God. One can see why that is deeply counter-cultural and offensive.”
“We see Christian nationalism around the world, where Christianity is appropriated for political purposes—either to shore up the regime, country or state, or one’s own political party. I counsel all Christians to be deeply suspicious of those who seek to appropriate the gospel for political purposes. China has been mentioned as well—a country where, on the face of it, Christianity is tolerated. However, branches of the Church, house churches and those faithful to Christ alone who will not bow the knee to the state, find themselves increasingly under serious threat. It is worth touching on for a moment why Christians are the most persecuted group on planet Earth, though they are not the only persecuted group—we should stand with all others as well, as I said in my opening remarks.”
“I highlight Libya because it is the country through which so many refugees who may end up in this country go through. When we talk about the channel crossings, let us put things in perspective. Whatever dangers people put themselves through to cross the channel—and they are huge dangers—they are absolutely nothing compared to the hideous dangers that people go through to cross Libya, in order to get themselves to the Mediterranean in the first place. Eritrea is a country where 44% of the population is Christian, and where young men and women find themselves forcibly conscripted indefinitely, very often to kill their own people. We need to be aware of that when we are talking about the refugee crisis. It is not just failing states where there is a threat to Christians.”
“I will just focus on one or two instances, in particular the state of Libya. Libya is very important for so many reasons. It is the fourth most persecuted place on planet Earth for Christians. Only 0.5%—35,000—of the people in Libya are Christians. If a woman in Libya is even suspected of being interested in Christianity, they will face horrific abuse, sexual violence, house arrest, forced marriage and even, so to speak, “honour killing”. Neither men nor women are spared. They are subjected to losing their jobs, their homes and their livelihoods. Such incidents are not isolated in Libya; there are widespread attacks upon Christians and suspected Christians right across the country, and the total instability there makes things even worse.”
“It is an absolute honour, Ms Butler, to serve under your guidance this morning. I pay particular tribute to the hon. Member for Newport West and Islwyn (Ruth Jones) for starting the debate so very well. I think that to be a Liberal is to stand up for the rights of people that we do not like and do not agree with. It is easy to stand up for the minorities that we agree with. But on this occasion, I speak as somebody who I guess belongs to the minority on planet Earth and indeed, if we believe the last United Kingdom census, in this country: I am a Christian. As other people have said, I will try to race through my remarks, so that others can get their fair share of the time available. I pay tribute to Open Doors for its world watchlist and for the work it has done in exposing persecution around the world.”
“Is now not the right time to start trying to make our own luck? In that light, would it not also be the right time for the Chancellor to give the green light to the upgrade of the A66 between Penrith and Scotch Corner? Some 25% of traffic on that A road is freight, which is twice the average for A roads across the country, and it is outrageous that so much of the road is single carriageway. Would it not be great for the economy, as well as save lives, if the Chancellor gave the upgrade the green light today?”
“Does the Minister acknowledge that among the horrific impacts of the Horizon scandal is the massive brand damage to Post Office Ltd and its management among not only the sub-postmasters who are currently employed, but the potential workforce of the future? Our communities in the lakes in Hawkshead, Staveley and Grasmere are currently without an operating post office and have lost those services. Will the Minister give attention to and push Post Office Ltd to provide a package that not just encourages people to remain within the Post Office, but attracts new people, acknowledging that it will take more effort than normal to attract people into the sector? On the issue of franchise services, our post office in Kendal shares space with the Royal Mail, and any change of site for our post office could threaten both.”
“Q3. The Prime Minister has spoken very movingly, and with genuine sincerity and affection, about his time as a young man in the Langdale valley in the Lake district in my constituency and how that helped to shape him. I wonder whether he is aware that the hill farmers who maintain those stunning landscapes in the lakes and elsewhere will be earning on average significantly less than or barely half of the national minimum wage due to cuts in their income, despite the fact that they provide the backdrop to the remarkably important tourism economy. Will he agree to meet me and upland farmers in the lakes and the dales so that we can design a scheme together to end this poverty and equip our hill farmers to produce food and protect our epic landscapes for generations to come?”
“Typically, and certainly in my area, farmers are one-person bands farming in isolated scenarios, and they are the fifth, sixth or seventh generation to have farmed that valley and that community. They find themselves staring down the barrel of being the one who loses the family farm. It is not their fault, but they will believe it is. Do you know what that will do to people in those extreme circumstances? I will also vote against the motion for all the reasons that have been set out. There is a way forward for farmers, if this Government take food security seriously and seek to deliver public money for public goods, as was promised at the beginning of this process.”
“Just a week and a half ago, when I spoke to a group of farmers from Penrith and elsewhere in Cumbria, the overwhelming sense was of anger and, more than that, disillusionment with the whole system. What will those farmers do? They will opt out of environmental schemes altogether. They will think, “Do you know what? Perhaps I will pay the rent more easily if I quadruple my livestock, even if I undo all the good work that my mum and dad, and their parents before them, did on environmental issues for decades.” That is all because they have lost trust in the system. As other Members have rightly mentioned, all of this has a huge impact on the wellbeing and mental health of these folks.”
“It is worth saying that people who will suffer the most are the people of the uplands and SDAs. It seems to me that Britain’s poorest farmers, in Britain’s prettiest places, are the ones who will take the hit. That will have consequences for our ability to feed ourselves. We produce only 55% of the food we eat in this country, which is nowhere near enough, and it needs to be at least 20 percentage points higher. Farmers care for our environment and our landscape. The Lake district’s world heritage site status could be at risk if we do not care for it properly. I am also seeing the consequences of a lack of trust in the Government’s transition—both this Government and the previous Government—which is leading farmers to take the exact opposite decision to the one the Government want.”
“All that builds a deeply troubling picture. A few weeks ago DEFRA officials appeared before the EFRA Committee, chaired by my right hon. Friend the Member for Orkney and Shetland (Mr Carmichael). On behalf of the Department, they proudly said that they reckon 92% to 93% of farms will survive this process—I beg your pardon? That means DEFRA appears to be counting on 7% to 8% of farms not surviving. I know the kinds of places where they will not survive: places like the lakes and the dales, which is outrageous. This all boils down to a deep injustice, but it is foolish as well. At a time when the UK is in a very dicey situation internationally, for us to do anything that undermines our food security is incredibly stupid, as well as unjust. The consequences of this move will cause, and are causing, huge hardship.”
“To do all of this and put tenants, in particular, in a moment of extreme fragility and vulnerability before the Rock review could protect them was doing it the wrong way around. That is why the reduction to the BPS should have been parked until the Rock review’s recommendations were in practice, so that tenant farmers could be protected. In parts of my community, I am seeing something akin to a lakeland clearance. People who have farmed the valleys, the lakes and the dales for generations are being forced off because of both Governments’ failure to plan ahead. I agree with the NFU, which clearly has the same sources as me, that there will be a £400 million shortfall and underspend based on what we know about the 76% cut to the BPS and the failure to roll out the agri-environmental schemes more comprehensively.”
“Instead, it will be sold to a corporate that probably does not produce any food whatsoever. That ought to make Labour Members feel deeply uncomfortable. What a lack of social justice that implies. My concern is that we are now being asked to vote for the hastening of something that is already doing huge damage to the sector. A 76% cut to the basic payment in one fell swoop will be crippling for many farmers, particularly those who are not yet inside the other agri-environment schemes, particularly SFI. I worry about tenant farmers in my constituency and around the country. That money was probably paying the rent this year. Both this Government and the previous Government accepted the recommendations of Baroness Rock’s excellent review, yet neither implemented them.”
“According to DEFRA’s own figures, the consequence of all this is that, as things stand, by the end of the transition in two years’ time, the average farmer in a severely disadvantaged area will be on 55% of the minimum wage. That is an absolute outrage. By the way, owner-occupiers in my neck of the woods could also be sitting on an asset that is technically worth £2 million or £3 million, so they will be clobbered by the family farm tax as well. Those people on half the minimum wage, earning £12,000 or £13,000, will have to pay 20 grand a year in inheritance tax. Come off it! That is not fair. The consequence is that those people will have to sell up. Where will that farm go? Will the neighbouring family buy it? No, of course not, because they are in the same pickle.”
“They are the ones outside the various environmental schemes, particularly SFI. When the drawbridge was pulled up, for the time being, on SFI, we worked out that there were 6,100 entrants to the scheme. Of those, a grand total of 40 were from severely disadvantaged areas, particularly the uplands. That gives a snapshot of who is in and who is not. When the Minister defended the Government’s decision on the SFI closure a few weeks ago, he made some points that were right, but with the wrong conclusions. He said, of course, that SFI was “first come, first served”. The big landowners were therefore typically on the inside and the smaller businesses were on the outside, but that is not a good reason to pull up the drawbridge, just at the point that these smaller farmers were about to cross the moat and enter the castle, so to speak.”
“One of the real problems with the transition, and the reason I am angry about the situation in which we find ourselves—on behalf of the farmers I represent in Westmorland and Lonsdale, and across the United Kingdom, and especially the farmers in England who are specifically affected—is that entry to the new schemes has been crudely marked by larger landowners, corporates and those with the wherewithal either to have land agents or to allow farmers time off to negotiate with Natural England, the Rural Payments Agency and DEFRA. Those people are inside the schemes; the typical farmer outside the scheme is, for example, a hill farmer in Westmorland, working 90 hours a week, either on their own or with no family members working on the farm. They cannot afford a land agent and are utterly isolated, feeling beleaguered.”
“If it had been an emergency Budget, it would have said something. The Chancellor could have had the day off, bless her, because it contained very little. One of the few things in the statement of any potential impact was the day-to-day budget savings for various departments, including DEFRA. I reckon it is about £200 million from a budget of which ELM makes up 40% or 45%. A pro-rata cut in day-to-day spending means we would potentially see the £2.5 billion shaved. It would be good to hear from the Minister whether that will be the case.”
“However, it is right that Opposition Members have mentioned on more than one occasion that freezing the budget at £2.4 billion, which is what it was at the point we left the EU in early 2020, is hardly a great achievement. Of course, there was inflation through all the years of the Conservative Government. If they were serious about the transition being funded properly, the budget would have been more than £2.4 billion when the Labour Government came into power. Inflation has been huge over those five years, especially in the farming industry when it comes to feed costs, fertiliser, fuel, energy and so many other things. The industry barely washes its face, so we are left in this situation. I do not buy the Conservative party’s references, either before or since, to today's financial statement being an emergency Budget.”
“Of course that is also the case under this Government, but we had the same conversations with the former Farming Minister, Mark Spencer, and he said the exact opposite of what the Conservative spokesman has said today. The failure of the transition between 2019 and 2024 led to a £200 million underspend. The Government are always talking about £5 billion over two years. My maths is not brilliant, but I reckon that is £2.5 billion a year, which is £100 million more than before. That is a good thing, because we worried ahead of the Budget last autumn that the new Labour Government would bake in the consequences of the underspend and the Tories’ incompetence, but they did not do that.”
“Member for Keighley and Ilkley, can visit as many farmers as he likes, and I hope the Minister also visits many farmers, but every last one of them will be poorer because of the actions of the last Conservative Government. It is important to have that on the record. The reality is that all parties in this place, certainly the ones represented on the Committee today, signed up to ELMS and the principle of public money for public goods. That is a good principle, but the transition has been marked by two clear things: imprecise timing of the reduction of the old scheme and the old money, and the failure to get people into the new schemes.”
“It is an absolute pleasure to serve under your guidance, Mr Twigg. For what it is worth, had we gone for a closure motion I would have voted with my Opposition colleagues. There should have been an impact assessment. However, it is worth bearing in mind that many times during the last Parliament—I could comb through Hansard to check the exact number, but it is in double figures— I asked the previous Farming Minister for an impact assessment of, for example, the reduction of the basic payment scheme and the failure to introduce the transitional changes in a timely fashion, and answer came there none. I can inform the Committee that livestock farmers were 44% worse off in terms of income at the end of 2024 compared with 2019. The Conservative spokesman, the hon.”
“The Minister can write to me later if he cannot answer now, but what is the saving to DEFRA of the 76% cut in basic payment? The idea that this is financially literate would add up only if he had not created a saving, but he clearly has. By closing SFI when he did, he is clearly not spending that saving—so how much is it? Is the NFU right to say that it is £400 million?”
“I hope I am not the only person here who is utterly depressed by the complete lack of compassion shown by the shadow Home Secretary and the lack of recognition that the people we are talking about have stories of their own and have experienced horrors that we can barely even imagine. Is it not right that we look at this in a more thoughtful way? To reduce cost to the taxpayer and help those who will be successful asylum seekers to integrate, would it not be wise to allow people who are asylum seekers to work after being here for three months?”
“The petitioners therefore request that the House of Commons urge the Government to give the green light to plans to dual the A66 between Penrith and Scotch Corner, which would reduce congestion, boost the economy, and save lives. And the petitioners remain, etc.] [P003054]”
“The petitioners therefore request that the House of Commons urge the Government to give the green light to plans to dual the A66 between Penrith and Scotch Corner, which would reduce congestion, boost the economy, and save lives.” Following is the full text of the petition: [The petition of residents of the constituency of Westmorland and Lonsdale, Declares that giving the go-ahead to plans to dual the A66 from Penrith to Scotch Corner would bring huge benefits to the north West region, reducing congestion and providing a big boost to the North economy; further notes that it will limit the number of serious and fatal accidents which tragically are a regular occurrence on this road.”
“I rise to present a petition on behalf of 2,247 of my constituents who call on the Chancellor of the Exchequer to urgently give the go-ahead to plans to dual the A66 from Penrith to Scotch Corner. They declare that this would bring “huge benefits to the north West region, reducing congestion and providing a big boost to the North economy; further note that it will limit the number of serious and fatal accidents which tragically are a regular occurrence on this road.”
“Will he undertake to look at the Liberal Democrat proposal to bring in an uplands reward so that we do not plunge into poverty those people who care for our precious landscapes?”
“Is the Minister aware that some of the farmers who will be worst hit by the APR changes are those who farm in severely disadvantaged areas in the uplands around our country, where typically property values are high and incomes are extremely low? When the change was made just last week with people being excluded from the sustainable farming incentive, 6,100 people had entered the SFI in this session, and only 40 of them were hill farmers. Is he also aware that his own Department’s figures show that at the end of the transition, the average hill farm income will be 55% of the national minimum wage? Does he not understand that his changes are bringing harm to the poorest farmers in the prettiest places, such as mine?”
“Any of us who live north of Preston know that any problem in the borders of Scotland or Glasgow means a train cancelled at Preston. Lancaster, Oxenholme, Penrith, Carlisle and Lockerbie are often completely overlooked, and that must stop. I also want the Minister to think very carefully about what can be done to expand existing railway lines to make better use of them. The most visited destination in the United Kingdom outside London is the Lake district, yet we have a single railway line that goes from the main line to Windermere. It is possible, quite cheaply, to double capacity by having a passing loop at Burneside, and I would love the Minister to look at that possibility and see whether he agrees to it.”
“While it is massively important to the whole motorway network in the north, the people of Tebay must not be isolated during that work, and I ask the Minister to pay special attention to the so far inadequate levels of mitigation from National Highways, as those eight bridges have to be replaced in the coming years. It is also important to talk about trains, and to think about what train services are like across the whole of the north-west. I want to highlight the situation with Avanti, and its failure to serve the northern half of the north-west adequately. It is worth bearing in mind that rail services on the west coast managed to meet their timetable obligations only 43.5% of the time, and last year, more than one in 20 services were cancelled.”
“In particular, I would love the Minister to focus on the A66, which is a hugely important road for connectivity that links the A1(M) and the M6, so it connects the ports in the east and the west of this country. In a parallel universe, it would have been a motorway. However, for 12 miles it is a single carriageway, where there are hideous numbers of deaths that are always concentrated in that small section. I urge the Minister and his colleagues to say yes to the A66 upgrade as soon as possible. Everybody in my neck of the woods is on tenterhooks waiting to hear. Likewise, there is work that has to be done on the M6 near junction 38.”
“If we had a proper HS2 line to the north-west that mirrored and upgraded the west coast main line, which is the most congested rail line in western Europe, that would give us the opportunity to reopen many stations along the existing main line— I will throw out Tebay, Shap and Milnthorpe, just to name three. We must also think about how important it is for the north-west to relate to not just London but other parts of the north of England. East-west connectivity is crucial. What we used to call High Speed 3, or Northern Powerhouse Rail, is hugely significant, and we want to see and hear more about it. As an MP in Cumbria, I am bound to say that often, when we talk about the north-west, we seem to stop thinking about anything that exists north of junction 32 —I can confirm that it does exist.”
“Over the last 60 or 70 years, we have become a steadily unipolar country, and the north-west, like lots of other parts of the UK, has become undermined. We saw levelling up from the last Government, which had some admirable aspects, but essentially—dare I say—it felt like a whole load of pork barrel with no strategy. Let us hope that we can have some strategy. The cancellation of HS2 summed up that lack of strategy. I completely agree with the hon. Members for Blackley and Middleton South (Graham Stringer) and for Morecambe and Lunesdale (Lizzi Collinge), who is my neighbour; they talked about HS2 being about capacity and not speed.”
“It is an honour to serve under your guidance this morning, Dr Murrison. It is also an honour to follow the hon. Member for Leigh and Atherton (Jo Platt), who admirably led this debate, as well as many other colleagues from across the north-west who have made excellent contributions on behalf of both their constituencies and the north-west as a whole, which is of course the greatest region on planet Earth. It is home to the greatest towns and cities, and indeed the greatest and most beautiful landscape that we have to offer. The north-west is the birthplace of the industrial revolution, yet it is appalling that our region performs 6.8% below the national average on productivity. Indeed, the only regions with productivity above the national average are London and the south-east.”
“Giving our local authority, Westmorland and Furness council, the ability to run its own buses is key to meeting the needs of many rural communities. I am honoured to chair an outfit called Cumbria Better Connected, to which all these issues are regularly fed in. One of the most important issues is connectivity and integration between bus and rail, but it is no—”
“It is great to hear colleagues from metropolitan parts of the north-west talk about keeping the £2 bus fare cap, but for many of us in areas that are far less well funded, and where devolution has not really happened, such as Cumbria, we are stuck with the £3 cap, and we are worried about that being got rid of altogether. Before the cap came in, the most expensive bus journey in the United Kingdom was Kendal to Ambleside, which cost more than an hour’s wage for somebody working in the hospitality sector. Will the Minister confirm that the £3 cap will not be raised or got rid of any time soon? It is my great privilege to represent a very rural area, but that means that even when the £3 cap exists, it is of no good whatsoever. It does a fat lot of good if we do not have any buses.”
“May I point out that there were many more railway lines then, and therefore more trains to be slow? It was also mostly pre-electricity—so there we go. I am grateful for the hon. Member’s point. The industrial capability of the west coast of Cumbria—not in my constituency—is significant to the economy of the whole country, and includes BAE at Barrow and Sellafield on the west coast. The railway line that serves them—the Furness line—saw a derailment a year ago and a flooding-related near disaster just a few weeks ago. We need to pay special attention to keeping the Furness line open, upgrading it and electrifying it if possible. I also want to make a case, on behalf of all my Cumbrian colleagues, for the Cumbria coastal line, which needs significant investment.”
“I strongly support all efforts to increase energy efficiency and bring down bills. Is the Secretary of State concerned about the potential unforeseen consequences of raising the minimum level of energy performance certificates to C for long-term rented accommodation but not doing so for short-term lets and owned properties? Will that not create an incentive in communities such as ours for people to go to Airbnb or second home ownership, rather than providing affordable homes for local people?”
“In that spirit, will the Minister look at my new clause 30, which calls on the Government to review the effectiveness and value of outdoor education and learning for young people in both primary and secondary schools? We have a mental ill health pandemic in this country and are trying to put that right. Will she acknowledge that building young people’s resilience through outdoor education is good not just for dealing with that, but for building young people’s ability to rely on others and themselves? That helps them in situations in which they are not comfortable, and when they go back to the classroom, they are more willing to learn. Does she see this as a moment in which to invest in outdoor education, in every part of the country?”