Dame Chi Onwurah
MP for Newcastle upon Tyne Central and West · Labour · United Kingdom
“An extraordinary debate is going on right now inside and outside AI companies about whether the possibility of AI destroying humanity is more or less than 10%. The European Union is moving ahead with a comprehensive AI regulatory framework, but the UK continues to rely on existing regulation.”
“The Pope also highlighted how the billions of online digital twins constitute an unprecedented concentration of power in the hands of a small number of men. Among the many consequences of the 40 years of neoliberalism repeatedly called out by the Prime Minister is a libertarian attitude to technology.”
“But this stealth digital twinning violates the integrity, uniqueness and very personhood of our constituents and of all of us. Digital twins can take many forms, from content creation algorithms and deepfakes to chatbots that reflect aspects of our personalities back at us. It is particularly worrying when children are the target.”
“The automated version of our kids will grow with them, using the power of AI to target advertising and products at them, and worse. The Science, Innovation and Technology Committee has heard about some of the tragic consequences of online grooming by algorithms and chatbots—a vulnerable boy persuaded to kill himself; a vulnerable girl fed…”
“In the arts, entertainment and tech industries, many performers are agreeing to the creation and use of digital replicas as part of their work—think of ABBA Voyage. But performers increasingly encounter unauthorised digital replicas of themselves, which pose a threat to their career, livelihood and reputation.”
“Since then, deepfakes have proliferated. The hon. Member for Mid Norfolk (George Freeman) was shown crossing the Floor in Parliament to join Reform, to his constituents’ consternation and his own—it was a fake. Then there were the horrendous photos of naked women and girls that Elon Musk’s AI created on demand.”
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“Further to that point of order, Madam Deputy Speaker. How can I assess what is orderly for my contribution to the debate given that the substance of the motion is about process? To be frank, I do not want to speak about process; I want to speak about protections for children.”
“I say that to illustrate that tech platforms have their origins in a libertarian, small/no-government tech bro bubble that has spread globally. TikTok, as a Chinese company, has a different background, but public accountability is not necessarily part of it. Unfortunately for all of us, the Conservative-Lib Dem Government of 2010 and their successors shared the view that Government should not be a part of it, which is how we arrived in 2024—20 years later—without online harms regulation, while at the same time the use of social media and life online has exploded. That is why I consider the Tory position in this debate to be a superb example of hypocrisy.”
“The key online players range in age from pre-teen—TikTok was founded in 2016—to their late 20s, as Google was founded in 1998. In human terms, these platforms are just entering or leaving adolescence, and it shows. As hon. Members across the House may have heard me mention, I am an engineer—chartered, as it happens; thanks for asking—and my last job before entering this place was head of telecoms technology for Ofcom. I remember meeting people from a US platform, which shall remain nameless, around 2005. The company executive commented that they had come to the UK from silicon valley on a six-month contract to sort out Government affairs, and they could not understand why, two years later, discussions were still ongoing. Did we not realise that Government had no role in what they did?”
“I am grateful to the Liberal Democrats for bringing forward this debate on protecting children from online harms, although I remain uncertain as to the measures they are proposing. This debate is happening up and down the country, in homes and at school gates—indeed, wherever people gather—so it is right that we debate it here. If the Conservatives had done something during their critical 14 years of power, our children would be better protected now, but they did not, so it falls to us to take action. I am going to speak about three things: online platforms, their history and approach; the work of my Select Committee, the Science, Innovation and Technology Committee, on algorithms; and the work of the Committee on digital childhood, all within the context of protecting children from online harms.”
“I agree that AI chatbots are a further evolution, and I think we should learn from the lack of effective regulation under the Conservatives during that critical period in the evolution of the internet in how we approach AI. I agree with the hon. Lady that AI chatbots should be brought into the regulatory environment of the Online Safety Act.”
“We spoke about AI as an evolution, and one of the main failings of the Online Safety Act is that it regulates particular services rather than establishing principles that remain true and can be part of a social consensus as technology evolves.”
“As part of my Committee’s inquiry into social media and algorithms, Google, Meta, TikTok and X told us that they accepted their responsibility to be accountable to the British people through Parliament, which I thought was quite a step forward from previous utterances, and ongoing utterances, by some tech billionaires who shall remain nameless. Our inquiry found that our online safety regime should be based on principles that remain sound in the face of technological development. Social media has many important and positive contributions, including helping to democratise access to a public voice and to connect people far and wide, but it also has significant risks—and those risks can evolve with the technology.”
“Some 20 years later, 13-year-olds and younger are having their lives and brains formed by almost uninhibited access to social media. In the UK, the number of social media users has gone from practically zero to four fifths of the population. I have worked with the Molly Rose Foundation, a charity established by the Russell family after their daughter Molly took her own life at the age of 14 following exposure to self-harm content online; I have spoken to the bereaved parents of children bullied to death online; and I have spoken to the Internet Watch Foundation about the horrendous images its staff see of child exploitation. The fact that the Conservatives did nothing in all those years in government is, in my view, a form of political negligence of the highest order.”
“My hon. Friend makes an excellent point. It is for that exact reason that I support a consultation: this is part of a debate, and we all need to improve our understanding of the impacts of this technology. Parents are in a difficult position. I do not believe parents should have to be technology experts in order to give their children the best start in life, but unfortunately there is so much pressure in the online world that that seems to be the case right now, and that is why it is right that Government take action and consult on the action they take. Let us think about the evolution of these technologies. I remember that when I joined Facebook in 2005 I had to use my university email address to join—that meant I had to be over 18.”
“The Government accepted all our conclusions but none of our recommendations. I urge them to look again at our recommendations and to consider implementing them, or at least to respond and tell me why they are still not to be implemented. I welcome the Government’s recent actions and interventions and their readiness to intervene. As I said, the consultation is critical. I welcome the desire to promote a consensus and to take measures to ensure swift delivery of the consultation conclusions through the Children’s Wellbeing and Schools Bill. The consideration of the inclusion of AI chatbots is important, as is addressing the risky features in certain models, as well as providing support for bereaved parents. The Committee looks forward to working with the Government to try to achieve their aims.”
“Public safety matters; I hope it is not necessary to debate that. The second is free and safe expression, which is also very important. The third is responsibility on the part of the platforms. Right now, they have no legal responsibility for the content they amplify; they just have to follow their own processes in certain specific cases. Our fourth principle involves control, and the fifth and final principle is transparency. We made detailed recommendations on regulating the advertising-based business model so that amplification would not be incentivised in the way that was outlined by the hon. Member for Carshalton and Wallington (Bobby Dean). We also recommended a right to reset—the right of a person to remove their data from any algorithm. Our report came out not long before the Minister took up his position.”
“I really thank the hon. Member for that intervention, because that is exactly one of the recommendations of the Committee’s inquiry. As he says, the advertisement-based business models of most social media companies mean that they promote addictive content regardless of authenticity. This spills out across the entire internet via the unclear, under-regulated digital advertising market, incentivising the creation of content that will perform well on social media, as we saw during the 2024 unrest following the horrendous Southport attacks. This is not just a social media problem, though. It is a systemic issue that promotes harmful content and undermines public trust. The Committee identified five key principles that we believe are crucial for building public trust. The first is public safety.”
“Tech companies are not going to put them to work on protecting and keeping our children safe unless the House puts the right incentives in place. With all due respect to the Minister and the Online Safety Act, which he inherited, they are not in place now.”
“There is a consensus on the need to do something, but not on what needs to be done. That is why we are seeking to provide evidence. I always say to the platform companies that the opposite of regulation is not no regulation, but bad regulation. More regulation is coming. Several US states, such as California, have brought in new regulation on big tech. The Spanish Prime Minister has called social media a “failed state where laws are ignored and crimes are tolerated”. There is also the increasingly significant issue of technology sovereignty and whether we are too dependent on foreign companies for our online environment. I call myself a tech evangelist, and I am, but I also know how much an engineer costs. The starting salary of an AI engineer—if companies can find one—is well over £100,000 a year.”
“We will be hearing from major social media and technology companies in a follow-up to our algorithms and misinformation inquiry, and we will ask for their views on the proposed age limits. Finally, the work on social media age restrictions will feed into a larger inquiry on the neuroscience of digital childhood, which we will launch in the coming weeks. We want to find out how young people spending their formative years online affects their brains and what the Government should do to protect them from any negative impact. That could cover the impact of social media and other screentime on brain development, behaviour, and physical and mental health, whether positive or negative. It could also cover the physiological impact on eye development, the impact on socialisation and what actions Governments should take.”
“The Science, Innovation and Technology Committee will be holding a one-off session on social media age restrictions on 11 March to feed into the Government’s consultation on measures to keep children safe online and to hear from social media companies on their progress in the last year. We will also gauge the strength of the evidence for and against an age-based ban on social media, as well as any evidence relating to proposed alternatives to a ban. In doing so, we will hear from experts and representatives of those with direct experience of harms. We want to hear from both sides of the debate in the UK and will be seeking evidence from Australia on the first few months of the ban that is already in force there.”
“My hon. Friend makes an important point; the insight she brings from her career in the media is critical. For many years, while the platforms were just that—platforms on which other people placed content—there was an argument that they should not be regulated and that they did not have a responsibility for the content on them, but they are at the very least active curators of that content now. Algorithms effectively form digital twins of individuals and then drive individualised content at them. That requires a responsibility. The time is right, as our Committee recommended, to ensure that platforms have responsibility for their content.”
“Does my right hon. Friend share my disappointment that, in this debate on protecting children from some of the most obscene abuse, not one Reform Member is present?”
“I thank the Minister for that response. For 100 years and more, skilled workers in the north-east have relied on high-paid energy jobs, be they in coal, gas or oil in mines, factories, ports and rigs. Labour’s clean power mission can bring new jobs to existing supply chains, but companies and workers need help to transition. Will the Minister tell me how she plans to future-proof the north-east’s energy supply chain and deliver secure, well-paid and unionised jobs?”
“One year ago, Meta, TikTok, X, and Google all confirmed to my Committee that they hold themselves accountable to the British people through Parliament, and before Easter we will revisit the findings of our social media and algorithms inquiry in an evidence session with them. I mention that because it is clear that Governments across the world are urgently seeking ways to make tech platforms more accountable. As the Secretary of State consults on children and social media, will she confirm that any eventual ban should be in addition to and not instead of more effective regulation of those powerful platforms?”
“The Secretary of State knows just how disappointing many will find this statement, particularly the WASPI women who feel so strongly the injustice that they have suffered. I appreciate that the he has set out the reasons in principle and in practice and explained how the Labour Government will support low-income pensioners, but I want to talk about the personal aspect. I suspect that the Secretary of State, like me and many other Members, started full-time work in his twenties that was not physically arduous. I think of a constituent of mine who started work aged 15—hard, physical work—and found herself required to continue working many years after she expected to have retired and as her health deteriorated. What help and support can the Secretary of State offer her?”
“T2. The three-year local government funding settlement is a welcome return to long-term planning. Newcastle city council faces a 34% rise in adult social care costs, compared with only a 15% rise in core spending power. That is taking more and more money away from the many services that my constituents depend upon. Will the Chancellor work across Government to consider changes to the adult social care funding formula and/or an increase to the recovery grant so that Newcastle city council can meet the costs of adult social care?”
“I congratulate my hon. Friend on freeing so many of my constituents from the historical and, indeed, feudal injustice of the leasehold system. I urge him to ignore the clarion complaints of those freeholders who predicated their business model on the continued exploitation of working people through extortionate ground rents. The Minister is familiar with the predicament of my constituents who are unable to extend their leasehold or buy their freehold because of the actions of the St Mary Magdalene and Holy Jesus Trust. What hope can he offer them?”
“I see that Tory MPs are too scared to turn up to hear how we are cleaning up their mess. As a Newcastle MP, as an engineer and as a cold water swimmer—the North sea is very cold—I welcome the Government’s new vision for water, which will deliver the water my constituents deserve at a price they can afford. I am, quite frankly, tired of the continual chorus that whatever the failure, whatever the fault, the costs must be passed on to the consumer. In a competitive market, consumers can go elsewhere if they do not like the service they are receiving. With water, we have no choice. Will the Minister confirm that if there is a failure or a mess-up by the companies, either they, their shareholders or their management will pay for it, not my constituents?”
“May I ask her to review her Department’s refusal to accept the recommendations of my Committee’s inquiry into social media and algorithms, particularly with regard to platform responsibility, user control, digital advertising and social media business models?”
“I welcome the consultation. We know that technology has changed childhood, we believe that it has changed child socialisation and we think that it may have changed brain development, perhaps even motor neurone skills, but there is little concrete evidence beyond the individual terrible stories and, of course, the profits of the big tech platforms. That is why my Committee will soon be launching a digital childhood inquiry to examine these issues, hopefully in time to respond to the consultation. May I, however, urge the Secretary of State not to assume that a ban will be the answer to the challenges that technology poses? We need to make tech work for all of us now.”
“The brutal regime in Iran has destroyed so many lives, and as a woman and a feminist I want to pay particular tribute to the brave women of Iran fighting for their freedom against such odds. They were promised support by President Trump. Can the Minister say what form that support may take, and what involvement the UK may or may not have, and whether it is dependent on executions taking place? On the technical front, will he write to me in my role as Chair of the Science, Innovation and Technology Committee explaining exactly how the Iranian regime was able to turn off access to the internet? Do they have some switch somewhere? With our unique technical expertise, what is the UK doing to address that?”
“Knocking on doors in Denton, Westerhope, Arthur’s Hill and Wingrove, I found that, for the first time in my 15 years as an MP, the No. 1 issue was global insecurity. President Trump has succeeded in uniting the British people against his unwarranted attack on a close ally. My right hon. Friend is right to be calm and diplomatic, but will she reassure us that given the current President’s volatility, she and her Government will ensure that our sovereignty is not dependent on US capability, and specifically that our technology procurement —both civil and defence—will reflect this?”
“I congratulate my hon. Friend on securing this really important debate, and on his excellent and inspirational speech. The Centre for Life in Newcastle celebrated its 25th birthday last year. I have been inspired by its openness and how it supports young people from all backgrounds and different areas of the north-east to engage with life sciences. As an engineer from an impoverished background, knowing that the Centre for Life in Newcastle is opening up the huge universe of science and scientific curiosity is so reassuring.”
“I thank my hon. Friend for the passionate points that he is making. I want to support him by pointing out that the answer to a parliamentary question of mine in October stated that the Minister for Science, Lord Vallance, was following up “with the Department for Culture, Media and Sport to explore a coordinated approach to supporting these centres.” Just before Christmas, the Secretary of State for Science, Innovation and Technology wrote to me to say that “officials from across departments with an interest in SDCs are meeting to discuss options for sustainable support.” Does my hon. Friend agree that it is time we had an answer to the question of where sustainable support—which, as he said, DSIT should lead—would come from?”
“and do more to explicitly plug the gaps in the Act, particularly regarding generative AI, as well as tackling the social media business models that incentivise the content that we are talking about?”
“Unlike her shadow, the Secretary of State was rightly passionate when calling out these sexually abusive images. The libertarian tech bro lobby has to accept that consent counts online, too. In her letter to me today, the Secretary of State said that the Online Safety Act was designed to deal with this, but she is being overly generous to the previous Government. The Act was designed, or fudged, to give adults some protection from illegal content on certain services, and to protect children from harmful content more generally, but not including generative AI, and without making platforms responsible for content that they share. Will my right hon. Friend now accept my Committee’s recommendations.”
“I thank the Minister for the excellent points he is making on the importance of cyber-security and the cyber-security action plan. Can he say a little bit about how the success of the cyber-security action plan will be measured, monitored and communicated to the House? He is probably aware that only 33,000 cyber essentials certificates were issued in 2024, for example, so an increased take-up of cyber essentials and the guidance in the action plan are essential.”
“We need to talk more about cyber-security. I have not touched on some of the national security implications, which the Minister and my hon. Friend the Member for Warwick and Leamington (Matt Western) described very well, but this issue is only going to get more important from the perspective of national security, economic security, and personal safety and security. If we can get the implementation of this Bill right by extending it as necessary, working with industry, supporting smaller businesses, and supporting public trust and public security, then I hope we can build a nation that is not just cyber-secure today, but prepared for the many challenges that lie ahead.”
“Will the Government consider including direct measures to strengthen cyber-security and resilience in public administration, including local authorities and Government Departments? Will the Government clarify whether the post-implementation reviews, monitoring of cyber-incidents, and engagement with regulators and industry that the Secretary of State has outlined to my Committee reflect the existing statutory requirements in the Bill? Will the Minister ensure that the new cyber- incident reporting and information sharing requirements are implemented in a practical and proportionate way for small businesses? Will the Government take steps to support cyber insurance take-up? Finally, will they ensure that there is clear guidance on information sharing requirements, and provide additional support to help businesses meet compliance costs?”
“Cyber insurance take-up is also low among small businesses, leaving them vulnerable in terms of skills and protection. Can the Minister say a little about his plans to address that? If the Bill is to succeed, implementation must be done with industry, not to industry, so I echo techUK’s calls for clearer guidance on information sharing and for additional support to help small businesses meet compliance costs. I hope that the Minister will address the following points specifically. Will the Government consider extending the Bill to economically significant businesses outside its current scope, and empowering regulators to mandate stronger cyber governance and resilience assessments?”
“How quickly does the Minister envisage businesses knowing whether they have been designated as critical suppliers? I support the Bill’s proposals for mandatory cyber-incident reporting and recognise the value of the Government’s collecting and publishing data on ransomware and other attacks. However, I share the concerns raised by the Association of British Insurers and others about the feasibility of small businesses meeting the proposed two-stage reporting requirement, and particularly the requirement to submit full reports to regulators and the NCSC within 72 hours. We have seen that the take-up of cyber essentials—the programme to help businesses, and particularly small businesses, achieve the cyber-security they need—is low among businesses. As I said, only 33,000 took it up in 2024.”
“The Secretary of State recently told my Committee that the Government would “assess the improvements the Cyber Security Bill brings to the UK’s cyber defences through post-implementation reviews, regular engagement with NIS regulators and industry, and monitoring the incidence and cost of any future cyber attacks.” I would welcome clarification of whether those commitments reflect the statutory requirements in clauses 20 to 22 or additional policy commitments, and how they will be funded. The Bill rightly focuses on critical national infrastructure, but as we all know, we are only as secure as our weakest link. The supply chains for our critical national infrastructure involve many small businesses, who may or may not be within the scope of the Bill, depending on their designation.”
“The cyber-attack on the Foreign, Commonwealth and Development Office in October is a clear example of how rapidly the attacks are escalating. We need greater rigour to prevent future attacks and build the public trust that is needed for the implementation of digital ID and other digital transformation projects. I have not been able to study in any detail the action plan that the Government published this morning, but I will look for clear measures of success when it comes to its implementation, and ways in which the cultural change that was mentioned in the debate, which is needed in the public sector as well as the private sector, has been achieved.”
“Without a way of monitoring and enforcing governance standards, large parts of our economy remain exposed. ISACA recommends a statutory review of the uptake and effectiveness of the cyber governance code; powers for regulators to mandate periodic external resilience assessments, such as penetration testing and scenario-based exercises; and a requirement for organisations to appoint an accountable individual who meets defined competency standards. Government Departments, local administrations and public bodies, such as the BBC, are also outside the scope of the legislation. The Bill does nothing to address long-standing weaknesses in public sector data management, which the Select Committee highlighted. As the National Audit Office declared last year, the cyber-threat to the UK Government is “severe and advancing quickly”.”
“I welcome the Government’s plan to promote the new cyber governance code of practice to improve preparedness in sectors such as retail. However, even after high-profile breaches, cyber-security is still not prioritised at board level. A recent report by the Information Systems Audit and Control Association—ISACA—shows that only 56% of company boards take cyber-security seriously enough, and that is after JLR. The Minister, in his excellent speech, said that it was up to private sector companies to manage their cyber-security. I agree, but how will the Government assess whether that is happening? What will the Government do if there is evidence that companies are not managing their cyber-security effectively and that, as a result, our citizens are not adequately protected?”
“The Bill rightly brings data centres, large load controllers and managed service providers within the scope of regulations, and grants competent authorities the power to designate critical suppliers that are vital to the service provided, yet some of our most economically significant sectors remain outside its core obligations. Retail is the UK’s largest private sector employer. It handles huge volumes of sensitive customer data, runs complex supply chains, and often relies on legacy IT systems, which make it a prime target for cyber-criminals, yet retail is outside the direct scope of the Bill. The legislation would therefore not have prevented the attacks on Marks & Spencer, the Co-op or Jaguar Land Rover, which affected our constituents so greatly.”
“In November, the Bank of England cited, for the first time, a major cyber-attack—that on Jaguar Land Rover—as a factor in its decision to hold interest rates. The JLR breach is estimated to have cost the economy almost £2 billion. I welcome the Bill, which seeks to expand its scope to new sectors, to make regulators more effective, and to grant the Government additional powers to respond to the ever-evolving threat landscape. However, I must be clear that there is more to be done. My main concern relates to the scope of the legislation.”
“The Committee has not examined cyber-security in detail, but we have expressed significant concerns about public sector data management, for example, after the Afghan data breach came to light. As we have heard, the UK’s only cross-cutting cyber-security legislation is inherited from the EU. Since Brexit, the EU has updated those regulations, leaving the UK working in an outdated framework. Meanwhile, nationally significant cyber-incidents, as measured by the National Cyber Security Centre, more than doubled last year. The NCSC also warns that artificial intelligence will “almost certainly” increase both the scale and impact of attacks. When everyone can code, thanks to AI, everyone can hack, and we need to respond to that, because those attacks threaten not only our national security, but our economy.”
“The same is true of health records, electricity bills, children’s school records, the safety sensors of our nuclear power plants, Christmas Marks & Spencer orders and Uber ride details. The Prime Minister said that national security is the first duty of any Government. I hope that all hon. Members agree that the Government must ensure the security of the British people as we go about our increasingly online lives. Previous Governments have not taken that issue seriously enough or done enough to protect our citizens. That is why, as Chair of the Science, Innovation and Technology Committee and a self-confessed tech evangelist, I welcome the legislation. I am pleased to see other members of the Committee here.”
“Happy new year to you, Madam Deputy Speaker, to all hon. Members and to the staff. It is appropriate that we begin 2026 by talking about an issue in the House that is of grave importance to all our constituents, but is not discussed enough either here or in the country: cyber-security. At the start of the millennium, only a quarter of the UK and 6% of the world were online. Today, almost 98% of the UK and 68% of the world use the internet. According to Ofcom, we each spend between three and six hours online every day, depending on our age and interests. For many—perhaps too many—life is lived online. Even when people are not online, the infrastructure of their lives is. Whether people use online banking or not, their bank account details will be stored in a cloud somewhere.”
“This afternoon, UKRI will publish its detailed funding allocations for programmes such as ReImagining Supply Chains. Does the Minister agree with the Office for Budget Responsibility that the bursting of the AI bubble presents a significant downside risk to the UK economy? What steps are his Department and UKRI taking to protect their investment in innovative companies that would undoubtedly be affected by an AI market correction?”
“I am sure that my hon. Friend is far too discreet to set out honestly her assessment of President Trump’s contribution to civilisation, but can she reassure my constituents—be they angered, insulted or just plain bemused by the pronouncements in the US national security strategy—that although we celebrate our cultural and economic ties with the United States and our relationship with its people, our sovereignty is not dependent on the US? Specifically, can she confirm that any capability that is dependent on the United States—whether it is to do with artificial intelligence, quantum or defence—is not a sovereign capability?”
“When I am out across the constituency, whether it is in Elswick, Denton, Westerhope, Wingrove, Arthur’s Hill or Monument, too often the issue that people raise with me is litter. Some 14 years of austerity reduced Newcastle city council’s cleansing resources, but hourly cleansing would not be enough in some areas of the city. We need greater powers and greater enforcement. Can we have a debate in Government time about devolving additional powers to local authorities, such as the power to require fast food outlets to have larger bins or to require landlords to keep their properties clean?”
“I congratulate the hon. Member on securing this really important debate. It is certainly the case that UK law applies to AI, just as it applies online. The question is whether AI requires new regulation specifically to address the threats and concerns surrounding AI. We refrained from regulating the internet—and I should declare an interest, having worked for Ofcom at the time—in order to support innovation. Under consecutive Conservative Governments, there was a desire not to intervene in the market. The internet has largely been taken over by large consolidated companies and does not have the diversity of innovation and creativity or the safety that we might want to see.”