Dan Tomlinson
MP for Chipping Barnet · Labour · United Kingdom
“I hope that once this Great British summer savings period ends on 1 September, we will review that and look at the impact. Of course, the challenge with any VAT reduction is whether it will be passed on to consumers. To be clear, I do not begrudge businesses having more margin, but the objective of the hon.”
“There are a whole range of challenges and also benefits from the protocol and the Windsor framework. I agree with the hon. Member that they do not provide constraints on the policy choice on VAT.”
“The Barnett formula is applied in the normal way to those changes, so the Northern Ireland Executive received £185 million in consequentials as a result of those decisions.”
“I understand that Members are specifically talking about Northern Ireland, but across the country as a whole—some hon. Members did mention the broader campaign around reductions in VAT across the UK—a reduction to 10% in VAT for hospitality would cost around £11 billion a year, which is equivalent to the total expenditure on the Royal Nav…”
“Right now, we are engaging in what could be seen as a similar proposal to the one put forward today. We are doing a time-limited reduction in VAT, not for one sector and one part of the country, but for particular leisure and hospitality activities and consumption across the country as a whole.”
“The fact that I am not announcing this change today does not mean that the Government do not take this issue seriously and understand the representations being made. We are also not standing aside.”
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“Let me apologise profusely for not letting you know in advance, Madam Deputy Speaker. This is the first time I have done one of these statements, and I will not make the same mistake again. I am glad that the same courtesy will be afforded to the shadow Chancellor, and I look forward to hearing a full 15 minutes of remarks from him. I am sure that they will be entertaining for us all. [ Interruption. ] I will make progress now, and we will hear more from the shadow Chancellor. This decision will mean that the amount of business rates paid by the pub sector as a whole will be lower in 2028-29 than it is today. This is Independent Venue Week, so it is particularly appropriate that our package will apply also to music venues. Many live music venues are valued as pubs, and many pubs are grassroots live music venues.”
“It will be a cross-Government strategy, and we will be looking at what more the Government can do to support our high streets. To conclude, this Government have already started the work of reforming our business rates system, and any potential changes to business rates will be considered at the Budget in the usual way. Labour Members have the right economic plan for Britain and will back our high streets and our pubs every step of the way.”
“Mr Speaker, I will wrap up very quickly, and I apologise again. This Government also understand that things are not easy out there. Today’s announcement is about additional support for pubs, but we understand that this is a tough time for other businesses on the high street. We have already taken significant steps to acknowledge that and support businesses, including £4.3 billion of business rates support in the Budget. Over the past decade, consumers have changed their habits and are increasingly working from home and shopping online, and these trends continue to make it harder for high street businesses. I am therefore announcing today that later this year the Government will bring forward a high streets strategy to reinvigorate our communities. We will work with businesses and representative bodies to bring that strategy together.”
“As I said in my statement, pub business rates valuations are not the same as those for the rest of hospitality: pubs are valued on their takings, whereas other hospitality businesses are valued on their bricks and mortar. Industry bodies have highlighted concerns about how the costs are accounted for in this methodology. The Government want to look at that more closely, which is why we are launching the review and have come forward with this significant package of support for pubs today.”
“That guidance will be published today—I hope it has been published already, but if not it will come very soon. Bills will be landing in the inboxes and on the doormats of businesses across the country in the coming weeks, and will reflect the changes that have been announced today. Yes, this will be scored in the usual way at the Budget. He talks about borrowing, but his plans to scrap business rates entirely, funded by made-up savings in other parts of public spending, would mean an increase in borrowing of £30 billion or so, which we could not afford. The Labour Government have set out significant plans today to support pubs and those businesses that are the heart of our high streets that have been affected by the particular way that they are valued.”
“It is just not credible for the shadow Chancellor to say that he would scrap business rates. What did the Conservatives do over the 14 years that they were in power? They kept business rates in place, they did not reform the system and, year after year, they introduced temporary reliefs that did not work or last. Some 7,000 pubs closed under their watch, in communities up and down the country, and they expect this House to believe that they were just getting around to it. Well, we do not believe that and we will not stand for it. Instead, this Labour Government will get on with the work of ensuring that we can get our public finances in order, getting borrowing down and continuing to support businesses, as far as we reasonably can, with our £4.3 billion of support. The right hon. Gentleman asked about the guidance.”
“The review of the methodology for pubs that we have announced today will be conducted as rapidly as possible, and I hope that it will conclude this year. We also want to look closely at the methodology used to value hotels, which is similar but not quite the same as that used for pubs. I am sure we will get into that in Committee in due course. We want to ensure that those reviews about the changes to the methodology conclude in good time for the next revaluation, which is set to come into operation in 2029. My hon. Friend asks about the Government’s ambition to rebalance the system. As I outlined, last year’s Budget introduced a significant rebalancing, with the largest businesses having a tax rate multiplier that is 33% higher than that of typical businesses on the high street. I look forward to continuing to engage with hon.”
“However, at that time, we did not foresee—I did not foresee—that after the changes in the rateable values that were published at the Budget, pubs and their representative bodies would want to withdraw their support for the independently and previously agreed methodology. Given that and the Government’s judgment that there are issues, to which the hon. Member has referred, we thought it was right to pause, review the methodology and ensure that it is fit for the future for pubs and hotels.”
“Taken in the round, our package of support has a lower tax rate within the system—a lower multiplier—but also steps in with caps to support businesses if they are experiencing increases in their values or having to adjust to the slow unwinding of the pandemic relief. The hon. Member asked about VAT. All I will say—she will expect this—is that when the Liberal Democrats had the chance in government, they put VAT up; now, they seem to be calling for it to go down. Finally, on the question of what I knew and when, as the VOA set out, Ministers were provided with details of the increases in the valuations.”
“We are trying to implement the recommendations of the licensing review, which was carried out in conjunction with pubs and other businesses in the sector, so although she may think that changes such as these do not touch the sides or make a difference, pubs themselves told us that—in addition to ensuring that we could support them in the right way fiscally—such changes would be welcome. I hope that pubs that are able to make use of them will do so. The hon. Member also asked about the 20p multiplier. She is right that we legislated for a reduction of up to 20p, but we have to see these things in the balance. The decision to reduce the multiplier by 5p came with a £900 million price tag; reducing it by the full 20p would cost significantly more.”
“The 15% reduction will apply to all pubs. As the hon. Member knows, there are different caps for pubs depending on their size, but if bills had been frozen, no bill would have fallen next year. Instead, because we have decided to apply the 15% reduction, around 75% of pubs will see their bills either stay the same or fall. I acknowledge what she says about the very largest pubs, but we will still significantly reduce the increase that they would have expected this year. Their bills will then be frozen in full in years two and three of the period before the revaluation review—I am glad that the hon. Member is able to welcome that review. Its results will be implemented for future revaluations. The hon. Member mentioned temporary event notices.”
“I thank my hon. Friend for his question, and for his engagement on this matter on behalf of the businesses in his constituency. We are making a significant intervention for pubs because we understand the concerns that have been raised about the methodology. As we have heard from my hon. Friend, pubs play a central role in his community in Dartford, as they do elsewhere, and they are important to the health, life and vibrancy of high streets, towns and villages in constituencies across the country.”
“There is a significant overlap between the pub sector and live music venues. Many pubs serve as grassroots live music venues, with the result that they are often valued in a similar way for business rates purposes. We did not think it would be right to draw the line so tightly that some music venues, which happened to be valued as pubs, received the relief and others did not. We think this is a fair and reasonable way forward that reflects the reality on the ground.”
“As a London MP, I do not get the joy of staying in a hotel in my hon. Friend’s constituency—instead, I get the joy of the Northern line on the route home. She asks an important question about hotels, which are valued in a different way from some other sectors. Their methodology is well established, but as with pubs, specific concerns have been raised, and the Government think it is right to review how hotels are valued for business rates purposes to ensure their valuations accurately reflect the market for those sectors. I intend to engage with hotel businesses and their representative groups on this important issue. Any future changes to business rates for hotels or other businesses will be considered in the usual way as part of the usual Budget processes.”
“I have engaged with them on the methodology, and because of that we are launching this review. We think it is right to look carefully at that methodology.”
“We were aware of the changes to rateable values that were going to be published at the Budget, which is why we came forward with a significant package of support to help businesses adjust to their new values. For example, yesterday, Waterstones came out to express its support for our changes to business rates, because the lower multipliers that we have put into the system will support its business. Businesses across the country are benefiting from those lower multipliers. As I have said, more than half are seeing their bills either flat or falling. We have also put in place significant transitional relief support, with caps this year, next year and the year after. That is because we were aware of the effect of the changes to valuation, although I was not aware of what would happen subsequently with the pubs and their views.”
“I thank my hon. Friend for her engagement on behalf of the businesses in her constituency. She raises some interesting issues on tax, regulation and licensing when it comes to pubs and hospitality. I do not want to pre-empt the work of the high street strategy, which will be a cross-Government effort with the Home Office, the Department for Business and Trade, the Ministry for Housing, Communities and Local Government and the Treasury working together, but we want to hear about these things from businesses on the ground. I look forward to engaging with Members of Parliament from all parties as we work on the strategy in the coming months.”
“That is a very good question, and it allows us to reflect on the fact that back in 2009, Nick Clegg, the former leader of the Liberal Democrats, said that we did not need to invest in nuclear power, because it would not come online until the mid-2020s. We are in the mid-2020s now, and we would have benefited from long-term investments in clean and green power, driving down energy bills for consumers and for businesses across the country. We are now taking the long-term steps needed to invest in our energy security and bring bills down. That is incredibly important, and I hope that the steps we have taken on business rates and tax can be welcomed and that businesses in the hon. Member’s constituency and across the country can engage through the various sector bodies with the high street strategy that I have announced.”
“We are keen to hear from businesses, large and small, about what more the Government can do to support high streets. We want to engage on lots of issues affecting high streets, including planning, licensing and crime, and the direct investment that we can make in our communities. There is a lot to do, because we had 14 years under the Conservatives where our high streets were in decay and shops were shutting. We had 7,000 pubs closing and businesses struggling across the country. We know that there is work to do, and I look forward to working with my hon. Friend and other Members on it.”
“We have implemented a wider support package for businesses across the country as a result of the changes to valuations coming in from 1 April, which unwind the valuations that were last looked at during the pandemic. Some 56% of properties will see their bills fall or stay the same in April. The easy thing to do would have been to kick the revaluation into the long grass and bury our head in the sand, but we wanted to make sure that businesses, particularly those that have seen their valuations fall, got the benefit of having up-to-date values post pandemic. Then, because we were aware of the changes coming down the track, we stepped in with £4.3 billion of support. It means that our net revenue from business rates this year will be broadly the same as was forecast before the Budget.”
“The hon. Member may not wish to watch the football, and that is fine—that is her decision—but she will be interested to know that we are consulting on whether we can extend the power over longer licensing hours to other events. She will have to let me know if there are other events that she would like to go and watch in a pub, and that can be part of the consultation. I have already answered the specific question that the hon. Member raises in a way, but I am happy to repeat myself. It is the case that pubs are valued differently than other sectors on the high street. It is also the case that they have suffered in the past 14 years, with 7,000 pubs closing and significant pressures. More broadly, we have put in a package of support, as I have outlined already.”
“I would not want to be the Minister who caused that to happen. My hon. Friend has made a very good point, and, as the parent of a young child, I can say how much I value soft play, even though it is rather exhausting at times. I have set out the specific reasons why we have taken this approach to pubs and live music venues, and I am glad that my hon. Friend welcomes that for the businesses in her constituency. More broadly, the Government did come forward with £4.3 billion of support, most of which is coming this year, and we will of course continue to engage with businesses and with parliamentarians on this important issue in the run-up to future Budgets.”
“The hon. Gentleman has asked about timing. We have announced this decision today in time for new bills to be issued from 1 April that reflect the changes the Government have proposed, because we have listened and because we have carried out that engagement in recent weeks. I am not sure that I will take the hon. Gentleman up on his offer of a pub crawl just yet, but I hope he will be able to welcome the support we have provided for the pubs that he raised with me in questions earlier this year.”
“I thank my hon. Friend for his persistent and powerful engagement on these matters. He is an expert on all things high street and business rates, as I have come to know. Let me point him to the transforming business rates work that the Government have been publishing and advancing. One possibility that we are considering carefully and talking to businesses about is changing the business rates system from a slab system to a slice system. At present, if a business goes over an individual threshold, the new tax rate will then apply to the whole value of its property. Reform is always tricky, but we want to investigate whether changing to a slice system, whereby the tax rate would not involve those big stepped increases, would support investment by businesses on high streets in Rossendale and Darwen and across the country.”
“There is a big picture that we need to move to with business rates: making sure that, permanently, we have differential treatment for retail, hospitality and leisure businesses and those with higher value, particularly the large online warehouses that are causing the economic rebalancing that we do not really want to see and that is harming our high streets. The Government set out the reforms in the Budget in respect of the 5p reduction in the multiplier. As I have explained to Members, that is a transfer of nearly £1 billion in tax away from the high street—less tax—towards the larger online giants. I want to continue to engage on all tax matters that affect the high street in the run-up to the next Budget, and decisions will, of course, be made in the usual way.”
“As I have said, some live music venues are valued in a similar way to pubs, and will therefore be included in the relief. We think it fairest to provide the same level of relief to all music venues. The detail will be set out for the business in his constituency and others to see in the guidance, which I hope, if it has not already been published, will be published at some point today.”
“This year, we are three years on from the changes in alcohol duty that the last Government implemented. I am not sure whether they adopted the same policy position, but we made it clear that it would be reviewed after three years. As part of that usual process, we will be reviewing the reforms that were made in 2023. If my hon. Friend or other Members want to write to me about changes that they think should be made, I will, of course, be happy to receive that correspondence.”
“I am not sure what the question was, but the Government have set out a plan that is fair and reasonable and does not engage with the fantasy economics that Opposition Members keep peddling. They still have Liz Truss in their party, and it shows, because instead of having a sensible business rates policy that is affordable and works for the long term, they have made-up spending cuts and pretend that they could afford to abolish a tax altogether. We know that that will not work. We know that they will not deliver it, not least because they had 14 years to make changes of that magnitude and never even bothered.”
“I thank my hon. Friend for his support for the announcements made today. Because I do not know those specific independent venues, it would not be right for me to comment here, but he is welcome to check the guidance and to encourage the venues to check it online. We have made it clear that our policy intent is for pubs and music venues to be covered by these changes.”
“We have set out a package of support for hotels and all other businesses. It is worth around £2 billion this year and £4 billion over the next three years. If there are hotels in the hon. Gentleman’s constituency that are facing significant increases in their rateable values this year, the increases in their bills will potentially be many multiples lower, because bill increases are capped at either £800 for small businesses or at 15% or 30% for the largest. It is really important that we distinguish—I am not saying that he is not doing so, because I am not sure of the detail—between the change in rateable values and the change in bills. That is important, and it sometimes gets lost in this discussion.”
“One of my favourite things to do is to meet my hon. Friend to discuss a whole range of matters, so I will happily discuss this issue with him too. We have been in correspondence on this business already, so I hope that he passed on the messages from me about the need to check that there is a difference between the increase in the RV—the rateable value—and the increase in business rates bills. I hope to be in one of the fastest-growing cities in the country before long.”
“I really look forward to working with my hon. Friend on important matters such as the high street strategy, and I hope that he has been in conversation with his local authority and businesses about some of the other measures that the Government are introducing and the issues that are important to him. High street rental auctions have real potential to be powerful in forcing shops that are being left vacant back into use. The introduction of the community right to buy should also be an effective change, and I hope that we will be able to see it implemented in his constituency and across the country.”
“I do not know the details of that individual business owner and by how much her rateable value has increased, but we have implemented the permanently lower multipliers. They are now 33% lower than the tax rate that is paid by the online giants. That is a big change to the system that this Government have delivered, and which previous Governments ducked time and again. We have implemented our transitional relief caps this year, capping increases at £800 or at 15% or 30% for the largest businesses. We will continue to engage with businesses on what more we can do on a whole range of issues.”
“I would be happy to have a further conversation with my hon. Friend about this issue. It is really important that no hotel will see its business rates bill go up by 100% this year. It may be that the Marine hotel has seen a really significant increase in its rateable value, and we will review the methodology because of the large increases. We are aware of those, and we want to work on this issue with the hotel industry. It sounds like the business is probably one of the larger ones, so its increase will be capped at 30%. If it is a smaller business, the increase may be capped at 15%. That is the difference that this Government are making. If it is a business receiving RHL relief, it would have had that relief removed overnight under the previous Government, with a 300% increase in rateable values for businesses in 2025.”
“The definition of “pubs” that is used for the changes that have been announced today is the same one that was used when the previous Government implemented a relief. I believe that that was in 2017, so it is a long-standing definition. I encourage the hon. Member to find that on the gov.uk website and send it to the relevant business. I do not know the precise details of the pub that he mentions, but we are sticking with the long-standing definition.”
“That is a really important point. There are many independent pubs up and down the country, as well as bigger chain pubs, and it is right that the support that the Government are bringing forward will support both. Around 75%—definitely above 70%—of independents and chains will receive support this year, ensuring that their bills are either flat or falling. We want to make sure that we are protecting both the independents and the chains.”
“It is not for me to tell the devolved Administrations how to spend their money, but if the right hon. Gentleman writes to me, I will be happy to write back to him with the details of the consequentials following the decision set out today.”
“My hon. Friend is a powerful and strong advocate both for the businesses in his constituency and for the hospitality sector more broadly. I thank him for our conversations; I think we spoke before Christmas as well as in recent weeks. I will of course continue to engage with him and the hospitality sector on tax issues, as is typical for a Tax Minister in the run-up to a Budget, but I also want to talk more about the broader support the Government can provide, working across Departments, as part of the high street strategy we have announced today.”
“Over and over again, Conservative Members profess to be paragons of fiscal virtue, yet stand up in this place and say they want to cut taxation, which in effect means more and more borrowing. We have in the past seen the problems caused by Conservative Governments who let borrowing run out of control, cause interest rates to surge for families in our constituencies, send our economy to the dogs and harm living standards. We will not stand for that—we will not make the mistakes they made—and we will come forward with proportionate changes that support businesses, but that make sure we can continue to keep our public finances on a sustainable path.”
“I am always happy to look at and respond to the correspondence I receive from hon. Members. I am aware of the issue my hon. Friend raises, which she has been consistently raising in this House. We came forward at the Budget with a significant package of support, and many small and independent businesses are small enough not to pay business rates because we have the small business rates relief in place, and we are extending that relief to support businesses that could extend to a second premises.”
“We want to work with the hotel sector on the review I have announced today. We will make sure it reports in time to be implemented by the Valuation Office Agency by the date of the next revaluation. For hotels at the very far end of the distribution of changes in rateable value—with an increase that large, I believe the one the hon. Member mentioned is—that is precisely why we have implemented the support we have. If it is worth less than £100,000, its increase will be capped at 15% this year; if it is worth more, its increase will be capped at 30%. We are aware that that is still an increase, but it is significantly less than it would have been if we had not stepped in to provide that support.”
“Yes, we will continue to work with pubs, because we do value them. I want to be clear, however, that we value all of the businesses on the high street. We value our hospitality businesses, our retail businesses and those that work in leisure and soft play, which I believe was mentioned earlier. All the different businesses that provide life and vibrancy on our high streets are important. I have set out the particular challenges of the rateable value methodology for pubs and the big challenges they have faced over the last 14 years, with 7,000 closing, but we want to make sure we continue to do all we can to support high streets in my hon. Friend’s constituency and across the country.”
“I very much agree with my hon. Friend. What happened in the past is in stark contrast to the reform of our business rates system under our Government. We have set out long-term differences in the multipliers—also known as the tax rates—faced by high-street businesses and those faced by the online giants and the largest businesses. Typical businesses on his high street will have a significantly lower tax rate than that faced by the largest online warehouses. I understand that bills may still increase because of the winding down of pandemic relief and the increase in rateable values, but that underlying reform of the system is there, and it is there for good.”
“Because of the interventions announced today, the total business rates bill for pubs will fall over the coming years. As the hon. Member mentions, we are giving individual pubs a 15% reduction on their new bills, and then a real-terms freeze for the next two years. That is a significant intervention because of the significant challenges that pubs have faced—7,000 pubs have closed—and the issues with their RV methodology.”
“I thank my hon. Friend for his advocacy on behalf of the pubs and businesses in his constituency. Concerns have been raised about the methodology. We have looked into that in recent weeks, and we think it is right to review it. That review will take place in the coming months. It will definitely report in time for the new revaluation, so that we can have a long-term, sustainable methodology for pubs, making sure that they are valued in the right way for the long term, from 2029 onwards.”
“Around one in three businesses will continue to benefit from small business rates relief, and so will pay nothing at all. As for independent shops that are above the threshold and in the business rates system, many just above the threshold will be on the taper, and others will benefit from the support that was set out at the Budget.”
“My hon. Friend is a proud and strong champion of the businesses in his constituency—the brewers, pubs and all those in the hospitality industry. I am sure that businesses in his patch would do well to feed in via him, as he is such a good representative.”
“I hope that I will be out of trouble before too long. We will double the hospitality support fund, providing £10 million of funding over the next three years. That fund aims to help more than 1,000 pubs diversify their business model, improve efficiency and productivity in the sector, and support people who are furthest from the labour market in moving into jobs in hospitality.”
“I thank my hon. Friend for his representations on behalf of businesses in his constituency. The Government are clear that we will look at the pub and hotel methodologies specifically. I would be happy to have a conversation with him about issues for other sectors, but the Government will focus on pubs and hotels. However, I would be happy to meet, to see if I can make it up to his constituency.”
“The hon. Member is right that each devolved Government have full control over the structure and level of business rates in their part of the country. They set a business rates policy, retain all the revenues generated, and determine how they are spent.”