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1. “I think that may be a part of it. But then on the other hand, that's been 70 years ago. We should have had other things. That's true. The Vietnam War didn't bring anybody together. Well, I take that back. It brought the Vietnamese together, and they're fairly successful. But it certainly didn't bring any American troops together. There isn't a kind of Camaraderie that there was in World War II, it was, as Sud Circle once said, World War II is the last good war. And I hope we don't have to wait for another good war to get our own act together. But we have to do something. I think a part of it is for somebody to pick up what Barack Obama was trying to do. Somehow make it work better, and that is really get people to talk to each other and talk out their differences.”

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2. “But I hope it gets better because without it, we're not going to. Improve the civility in government that we absolutely have to have.”

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3. “Ted Cruz is going to be there for a couple more years in spite of all the terrible things he said about it. But more than that, I can't believe that Ted Cruz is having any fun there. I can't imagine wanting to serve in a body where everybody else, whether they're my party or the other party, think I'm a jerk and that I”

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4. “But it starts with the proposition that most people who run for office think they have to run against the government. The mess in Washington, the mess in Springfield. Well, of course they're messy, they're democracy. But to go there telling people how much you're going to hate being there. Rubio was this perfect example. He kept describing how terrible the job was. I mean, I think somebody being a senator of the United States has to be one of the great honors and exciting places to be in the world. He was demeaning it like it was a. Picking up, well”

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5. “Boy, I hope so, and I don't know what it will take. One of the things that I thought that President Obama would bring to the country, and I think he has earnestly tried, but I thought he would bring that civility, that respect for somebody else. I remember one time when he was doing a press conference and he said, really nice things about Paul Ryan. And I thought, boy, that's the kind of thing that a president should say about a... An opposition Republican. But it didn't reflect itself back in the way Paul Ryan has talked about the president, and it certainly hasn't spread.”

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6. “It's too liberal, right? And Phil Crane had a problem of drinking at night. He did never let it interfere with his daytime work, but after six o'clock, if he wasn't involved in something, he would start drinking. And I remember there were times that I and one or two of the other members of the house who lived near him would follow him home. He wouldn't let anybody drive him home. What would follow him home to try to slow him down, to keep him from speeding and getting arrested? None of that going on anymore.”

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7. “Drive home with Danny, who disagreed with me on every cause that still allowed us both to be in the Democratic Party. But we were good friends personally, and we got along with each other. And he knew that his boss didn't like me. Being mayor daily, but that didn't keep him and me from getting along together. And whenever anybody asked me, how did you stand it? I stood it. I enjoyed it. It was fun. And the fights were fun and the good times were fun. And I just don't sense any of that feeling about their jobs of the present Congressman or the present judges. There's just so much angry in this and tension. Were the disagreements become personal? Henry Hyde literally was a very good friend of mine. We didn't agree on beans, on important issues. Phil Crane, you may remember that. I”

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8. “This was fun. There were disagreements and they were bad guys and good guys, but everybody enjoyed themselves doing things. They talk about Tip O'Neill and Bob Michael going arguing with each other on the floor of the house. Tip is a speaker and Bob Michael is a minority leader. And then afterwards going off and having a Drake in the Republican club or the Democratic Club.”

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9. “Of course, it was a mistaken judgment, but I can see myself making it. I can see Barack making it. I can see anybody making it. Benghazi by the end of it I was belittling it by saying yeah Ben Ghazi used to play an extreme right field for the Republicans what was Benghazi anybody really think that she sacrificed one of her Good friends. It was ambassador on purpose. That's nonsense.”

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10. “So from they ran in, anytime his name came up in the White House, Hillary would say, your friend Ken Starr. And even as late as when she ran for the Senate, she came in for a fundraiser here, and I was going through the line, and I got to say hello. She hugged me and whispered in my ear, what do you think your friend Ken Slar now? So we were not always on the best of terms, but she has grown so in the many years since she was first lady. She's learned how to be a good politician. Most of the things she's trying to Defender, explain away I really trivial, like the emails.”

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11. “What we did get onto well, I had, Ken Starr had been a colleague of mine, and I had thought we would get on. She was fiercely opposed to special prosecutors of any kind. But when he was appointed about the same time that I was, and the press asked me about what I thought would happen, I said, well, Ken Starr is a fine person, and I'm sure we'll get on. We have nothing to hide in the White House.”

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12. “It will be one of them. Healthcare obviously will be another. And the civility... Him as president. Just something that we will look back on. We already are beginning to”

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13. “The invasion of Granada was just such a ridiculous thing to do. Our determination that Guatemala should look the way we wanted it to look. And so one of the things I give credit to President Obama for is that he has exercised incredible restraint on our foreign ventures. And it has not been easy, as you know better than anybody, David, that there's all this pressure. Somebody done something wrong. And when I look at what, you know, and sometimes not sending in the troops didn't result in a happy ending. But a less unhappy ending than if we had, Syria is a perfect example with a chemical weapons. We got rid of the chemical weapons now. Syria now a wonderful democracy? No. but it's a lot less worse off and the rest of that world is less worse off than if we had gone marching in.”

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14. “First of all, he brought incredible restraint to the office. Primarily in foreign affairs we had gone through several terms Designate the president anywhere you want as hawks or as Cowboys, or whatever. We just were played a very aggressive role in world affairs in ways that we couldn't carry out, the Iraq war being a perfect example, but there were other things that we were doing, trying to make the world look like we wanted it to look. And the result was he killed a lot of people, including a lot of our own boys, but a lot of other people, and we used up a great deal of our restraint, of our fiscal resources during those periods. You can start, I would start it with Reagan.”

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15. “My old stopping ground. And then when he was still in the state Senate, Left Washington, came back to Chicago, and I was teaching the same time he was, and envied mightily his students grade their professors at the end of the year. And Barack always had nines and tens on his grades for students. And he was just a wonderful colleague. And we would have lunch and breakfast. He'd tell me about what was going on in Springfield compared to what it was like when I was there There's a permanent floating poker game down there which I was in when I was there and he was in when he was there.”

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16. “But I met him a couple months later while I was a student and I was teasing him about it. And he said, no, I would have applied to Clerk for you, but I'm going back to Chicago and run for public office. And again, I thought that not that he didn't want a clerk for me, but the fact that he was going to go back to Chicago and as far as I knew he had no roots there and just plant his flag. That's not the way you get elected. Well, it turned out that I found out later that one, he did have roots here, some, but more than that he got elected the first time he ran.”

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17. “First, I heard of him was when I tried to hire him as a clerk. He was president of Harvard Law Review, and I was always looking for... Bright people that would give me some diversity among my clerks. And I had a Harvard clerk at the time and I said, tell Mr. Obama I'd like to interview him. I got back the word that he didn't want to be a clerk. He was going back to Chicago and run for office, which I thought was pretty... Preabtus of”

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18. “I liked working with Bill Clinton. It was a fun job. I was a little too old for it. I was 69 at the time. Compared to what some people are doing at that age, it seems young I went home every night and toddled to bed because I was so worn out. And I had a good time with Bill Clinton as my boss. I have to remind you, though, that I left two months before Monica Lewinsky was hired. Great precious”

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19. “And if I were a president appointing with a free hand. Democratic Senate coming along. One of the issues I would take into account very seriously was age. Because the younger they are, the longer they”

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20. “McCount says a lot of things. The pressure is going to mount. I think the president's on the right track of going around the country making speeches about how this is an important piece of government of fundamental government doctrine that the president should appoint and that his term shouldn't be limited or his term shouldn't be limited or is a power to a point should not be negated because of the different party labels. And I think that in any event, after the election in November, assuming a Democrat wins, whether it's Hillary or Bernie Sanders, The Republicans are going to look at what their options are in a lame duck session. No matter what Sanders or Clinton say at that time, they have to be concerned that an appointment by either of them, if nothing else, will just be younger.”

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21. “Absolutely, because there is nobody who comes across as more bipartisan and is more bipartisan. It's not that he's a Democrat and part Republican, but that he doesn't see politics as the way of moving things forward. That's not what he does.”

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22. “Now in the Supreme Court. And the reason he was appointed is that when he came in for his confirmation hearing, he had Ted Kennedy on one arm and Strom Thurman on the other arm. What would that kind of bipartisanship you could get through even in those sometimes days?”

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23. “But the implications are that if you ever divide government, which happens quite frequently with a presidency, he is in one party and the senate is in another party, you will have no courts. It will be impossible to appoint anybody. I wish I could say this has never happened before. But it had happened. There used to be something called the LBJ Letter, which Johnson would send out in the last six months of Eisenhower's term. Don't send up any appointments because we won't consider them. It's considered strictly a political device, and it only happened once, and I don't think it really affected anybody. And usually the president would find some way of breaking that logjam. Either by winning over a few senators, Steve Breyer was appointed in the last few months of the Carter regime as a appellate court judge”

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24. “So he called me long this and he said, Ab, I don't know what you're being told, but right now the voting committee is eight to seven and I am the eighth vote. And if you think I'm comfortable being the only Republican voting for a liberal anti-gun judge, you're crazy. Get your ass back here and start finding out what's going on. So I came back, it turned out that in addition to the NRA... Senator I'd love to have a senior moment about his name because I never liked him. Tom Thurman. was leading his own quiet campaign against me because he had a secret file indicating that I had been a communist while I was at the University of Chicago, which was not true. That was his opposition. Anyway, Ted Kennedy started to work his magic, and I finally did get out of committee with two or three-vote margin. And I won the House vote 58 to 31.”

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25. “My wife said, you know, if they're going to spend that kind of money, they could have talked settlement. But anyway, finally, and I remember getting a call was in August, I was out in the dunes for my recess. The house was not in session, but the Senate was. And the senator from Mississippi, Tad Cochran, was a Republican member of the Senate Judiciary Committee. An old friend who used to play paddle ball. Still there in the house.”

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26. “I said, okay, but why? He said, well, there's a little bit of rankling from the NRA. Let's let it cool down a little. Well, that was a bad political mistake because they took that time to raise a hunk of money. They admitted that they spent over a million dollars to”

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27. “To life, but the handguns were my opposition, and I kept trying to say, but Hunter doesn't go hunting with a handgun. But they were adamant. And when my name came up for a judgeship, they made, I remember I was nominated by President Carter in March or April of 79, and all my friends in the Senate, I was a member of the House at the time, were teasing me that maybe they'd vote against me just to build up some conservative credentials, and we'd laugh. And I thought it would be a piece of cake. I was a member of the fraternity. I thought I had reasonably good credentials. And there hadn't been that much of a fight about pellet court judges before then. And lo and behold, in about April or May, Senator Ted Kennedy called me. Chairman of the Judiciary Committee said, Ab, I think we're going to postpone your nomination till the fall.”

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28. “They were, they were, and I would put in bills, and I wouldn't even be able to get them out of committee. And even when I got to the Congress in 69, I would put in bills too, and I was mainly concerned at that time the assault rifles hadn't yet come”

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29. “But the National Rifle Association just was vehement. They were determined to. Not even so much to black me, but to teach all my colleagues in the Congress that if you oppose the NRA, you better not try to go anywhere else, we'll fight you”

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30. “was an old friend of mine from legislative days, and he took on my defense with the right to life people, and he got them off my back by saying he's much more dangerous as a member of Congress than he'll be as an intermediate judge.”

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31. “Mine was very controversial. I was one of the first controversies involving a court of appeals judge. The two groups who were on my tail were the National Rifle Association and the Right to Life. Crowd. Henry Hyde, bless his hyde, who was the congressman at the Led the right to life forces from Illinois. From Illinois”

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32. “Precatory about it. It is a mandatory obligation and as I say the president is elected for four years and the input that the Republicans are talking about that the people should have a say in who the Supreme Court is, they had that say in 2012 when they elected Barack Obama president and they had that say every four years. But between those four year periods it's the president who shall nominate and recommend.”

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33. “I thought the president laid it out very clearly at the University of Chicago. A president is elected for four years. It doesn't say three years. It doesn't say three and a half years. It says four years. And it's very clearly the Constitution says the president shall, not may, or perhaps... The president shall fill any vacancies and appoint members of the Supreme Court and the Senate is supposed to advise and consent or not consent. But there's nothing”

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34. “Yes, yes, and unanimously And the third one is Ben Rover's Wade, and frankly the political dissension about that is worse now than it was in the 60s and 70s when I was working in the political arena. And I think that the reason is that blackmen never persuaded anybody of the legal doctrine that underlays Wade. One of my friends at the law school says that the Roe v. Wade did for the Republicans what Bush v. Score did for the Democrats. It just organized us on a partisan basis. And Roe v. Wade organized the Republicans on a partisan basis. George H.W. Bush was a colleague of mine the first term in that I was in Congress, and he co-sponsored a bill with me that... Would have legitimized abortion.”

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35. “Name of the case, but Justice Brennan's opinion saying one person, one vote has dramatically changed the political landscape. And people have accepted it. The third one is...”

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36. “But not because of any legal document. And hopefully we'll find the answer to this housing segregation. The second one is apportionment.”

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37. “Absolutely. And the result is that Roe v. Wade is there are perhaps three important decisions of the 20th century that the Supreme Court has made that have dramatically changed the way we live. One was Brown v. Board of Education. Now that has not been successful, but at least we have made progress under it. Conditions for integrating the races are a little better than they were before Brown was board.”

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38. “Anyway, as a result, he came out this decision which said the first time you can do this, the second time you do that. And it made no legal sense as a doctrine. Nothing magical about the first term is against the third term. And the reasons why a woman has or needs an abortion or wants an abortion There is no single unique principle that decides what that arena should be.”

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39. “And Blackman, the case of Roe v. Wade, which came out in the 70s, was in many senses ahead of its time, but in any event the reason it has continued to cause such a legal controversy is that Blackmun wrote what was a very unpersuasive opinion. He mathematicized, if that's a word, the process.”

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40. “And to be low key in explaining why he comes out a certain way. One of the big constituencies of a judge A federal judge, an appellate judge, the law schools and the law students. Most individual opinions, most people don't read and most people wouldn't understand if they did read them. But the law schools, the law professors, and law students read those opinions. Part of how they learn the law. And if you want to persuade them that something is a good doctrine, It has to be a persuasive opinion to them. If I can give an example, my kids always get very angry when I give this. I have believed in a free choice for a woman since I was back in the legislature. I used to put in bills to legitimize abortion.”

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41. “I served with him for many years. He was very charming. And I remember when we get to issues of dispute and we talk about it and then he yelled something. He'd say, good enough for government work. And he'd go along. When he got to the Supreme Court, on the other hand, he decided that he was going to be the Educator justice, and he was going to educate the country in his court, his colleagues on the court, and the world about what the world should look like according to Anthony and Scalia. As a result, he would say really nasty and steaming things about his colleagues. Saturday O'Connor, who really was very close to him philosophically, just got outraged one time when he wrote something in an opinion about how nobody in their right mind could have come out the way she did.”

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42. “He was an incredibly good judge, but in addition to being a good judge, he was an effective judge. I was always grateful that Justice Scal Did not have the Inclination or the personality to charm people after he got on the Supreme Court. He was a very charming person.”

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43. “Because they'll have I hope so. And I'm amazed that everybody That has ever worked with him on either side of the aisle, whether he was injustice or as a judge. Everybody says he is the nicest person.”

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44. “Fabulous. He just was so, first of all, everybody loved him. My wife had decided to pick him out as a son-in-law for any three of our daughters. They all hated him before they even met him Mom had picks them out. Everybody in the campaign office loved him. And while clearly he had strong passions and strong views, he was so polite about them. There were never any elbows, never any sharp words. I don't think I've never seen Merrick angry, and I've known him since 45, 46 years now.”

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45. “Yes, indeed. He was 17 years old when he came into the office and said he wanted to volunteer for me. And it was early in the campaign, and so I was in the office. And I said, what do you want to do? He said, well, I write pretty well. So at age 17, he was made our press secretary, sending out the campaign. Press releases and other things that have to be written.”

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46. “I think so. Was set up in order to offset the newsletter that incumbent congressman set out under the Frank that they get sent out for free. And we had to publish it ourselves and get it delivered ourselves. And these Mikva messengers became Street volunteers at the knock on doors for me, and some of them were my political supporters up until I left political life.”

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47. “But it's a problem. What I find ironic is that he's doing all those other things, but he's 74 years old. I thought it was time enough to get out of government altogether, let alone run for president. But it's exciting if you're 18 and 19 and 20 and there's somebody that presents themselves as they're going to fight the establishment. They're going to do things a different way. And they encourage you to get involved. We had something called the Mikvah Messenger. Rav Emanuel claims that was his start in politics, was being a mikvah messenger. These were all these high school kids. I think there may have been some even younger than that who would deliver by hand a newsletter for me. This was the period from 72. Sounds like Mr. Smith.”

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48. “I think one of the things was that I was the underdog, that I was fighting the establishment, and that I was at that time very young. I find it a lot of parallels to why My grandchildren have ended up voting for Bernie Sanders. Not because he's”

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49. “Except that in 75, in the middle of a decennial, I mean of a 10-year term, Richard J. Daly decided to be a good idea to reapportion. And he had the The Democrats controlled the legislature and Dan Walker was the Democratic governor. And lo and behold, my new district that I just won in 74, which so painfully, he proposed to cut up so that my district would run through my front bedroom and out to DuPage County, which was then very Republican. And I had to fight it in the legislature. The Republicans were opposed to it. We got enough of the independent Democrats to oppose it so that we were able to defeat it.”

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50. “With Johnson, and so all the young people were going around saying, dump the hump. And I was trying to explain to them why dumping the hump would mean that there would be a Supreme Court dominated.”

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