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Adam Frankel

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  1. “Absolutely. He worked in Robert Kennedy's Senate office and volunteered on various campaigns before entering the UN system.”

    2020-02-24 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 371 — Adam Frankel · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source

  2. “Incredible man. And Newt and my grandfather were very close and collaborators in politics. And so I grew up sort of wanting to follow in that family's political footsteps. Yeah.”

    2020-02-24 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 371 — Adam Frankel · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source

  3. “Also, went to Northwestern and later, as you do, and married Newton Minnow, who served as chairman of the FCC. A legend. A legend, absolutely. 34”

    2020-02-24 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 371 — Adam Frankel · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source

  4. “They came much earlier. They were, you know, look, my mother's parents came after the war, thick Yiddish accents spoke five, six languages. On the other side, assimilated Jews been here much longer since the late 19th century. And Stan from the Midwest, Dayton, Ohio, went to Northway, met at Northwestern, sweethearts at Northwestern. My grandmother sent him 1,200 handwritten letters from the beginning of the war to the end. He was stationed. He was overseas, an infantry officer in the South Pacific during the war. And a part-time speechwriter after the war for folks from Adelaide Stevenson to Humphrey to McGovern. I joked after the Carry campaign that I was upholding the proud Frankel family tradition of working for Losing Democrats. And I got my political bug from my grandfather. I wanted to be a speechwriter because of my grandfather. My grandmother, who I was also very close to, Irene from Chicago, her sister Josephine Baskin, a wonderful woman.”

    2020-02-24 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 371 — Adam Frankel · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source

  5. “Yeah, the Frankls, my dad's parents, Stan and Irene Frankl, who I was very close to. My grandfather was a part-time speechwriter.”

    2020-02-24 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 371 — Adam Frankel · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source

  6. “Where it could withstand Allied bombing. And I had gone back to Dachau after that. I've tried to tried best as I could to understand even in small ways a little bit of his experience.”

    2020-02-24 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 371 — Adam Frankel · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source

  7. “Yeah, look, when you grow up in one of these families, and survivor families, I'm removed from it. I'm third generation, but it was far more intense for second generation survivors. You grew up with these stories, with the terror, all of it. These are your bedtime stories in many families, at least those that talk about it. And it was a very visceral experience for my mother, especially. But yeah, we went to Dachau on that visit. What we didn't know at that time, no one in our family knew until I started doing research for the book, was that my grandfather was not at the main dockhouse site where we visited where there's a memorial, but rather at one of the 12 co-fring subcamps, which were actually in Stephen Spielberg's band of brothers, the sites that camps that were liberated by Easy Company. He was at one of those as a slave laborer re-imported from outside the Reich to work on a secret project personally approved by Hitler to move the German aviation industry underground.”

    2020-02-24 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 371 — Adam Frankel · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source

  8. “Trauma can have a genetic impact from one generation to another. We don't know how exactly it's passed on, but we know it can. And we also know from other research that the way that parents respond, that Holocaust survivors respond as parents to their experience. Do they participate in a conspiracy of silence? Do they display intense intra-family anger, other sorts of behaviors that these sorts of things can also contribute to mental health issues among children, among their children? And so that going back and understanding that, learning that science and learning more about those relationships and the research there sort of helped me understand a little bit about how my mother about some of my mother's struggles.”

    2020-02-24 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 371 — Adam Frankel · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source

  9. “Yeah, you know, look, you can't draw a straight line. It's not one-to-one, but it defies everything I know about my mother and her experience and her life and everything I know about my family and her parents and what they went through to think the things are unrelated. And we know now more than we've ever known about intergenerational trauma, the science of intergenerational trauma. I interview from my book a woman named Rachel Yehuda at Mount Sinai who's done groundbreaking work in epigenetics, which is an emerging science. And what she has shown is that children of Holocaust survivors are three times as likely to display PTSD or other symptoms as demographically similar Jews who are not children of survivors. She's shown that children of women who are pregnant at or near ground zero 9-11 have similarly low levels of cortisol which are associated with PTSD a stress hormone as their mothers. And so we know that”

    2020-02-24 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 371 — Adam Frankel · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source

  10. “And he was afraid that he would not be able to immigrate to the United States if there were an arrest warrant out for him. I see. And so he bought somebody's or stole or I don't know exactly what happened. He was always very shady with the details. And he was terrified that this would come to light, I think, because German reparations were on the line. And there was an investigation, which I uncovered when I started poking around in the archives at Yadvashem. There was an investigation by the Red Cross and other agencies in the 1960s because there were multiple people using the name Abraham Perezman floating around and he was one of them.”

    2020-02-24 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 371 — Adam Frankel · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source

  11. “They did, you know, and this was another one of those secrets where nobody in the family would talk about it. You know, we knew it. The immediate family knew it, but we weren't supposed to talk about it. I once got a call when I was a kid. I picked up the phone in our apartment. And it was somebody who'd seen our name in the phone book and was calling up because there aren't a lot of parismans out there. And he thought we were.”

    2020-02-24 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 371 — Adam Frankel · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source

  12. “Yes, yeah. So my mother's name, Ellen Parrishman, my middle name is Parisman. This is the name that my family has. It was the name of my grandfather's store in New Haven, Parisman Jewelers. It was the name on all of government identification, passports, you know, driver's licenses. Not our name. Like many other families who came to this country, names changed.”

    2020-02-24 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 371 — Adam Frankel · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source

  13. “And they didn't talk about it. The whole family didn't. I know that not until many years later, I mean, they went on and had other children after the war, those two parents survived. And at least one of their sons didn't know until he was much older that he'd had an older sibling because it was such a, I can't even imagine, but nobody spoke of it for many years.”

    2020-02-24 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 371 — Adam Frankel · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source

  14. “This would have been her niece to save the whole family. And they fled the bunker. My grandmother, who was an adolescent girl, was taken with her brothers to the woods. And the rest of her family was killed. Her parents were murdered. Her sister is along with some of their families. I remember when I was a kid asking one of the few conversations I had with her, I remember asking her about her younger sister at the time anything. I said, what was she like? And my grandmother just started tearing up at the question. And she said, you know, I don't even remember the sound of her voice. And it was, you know, you don't see your grandparents cry very often. And it was very moving. And it was just one example of the way the trauma stayed with her when I was a kid. I'd wake up early and when I was staying with them and she'd already be in the kitchen making me freshly squeezed orange juice. And I thought, oh, she loves me so much. She wakes up early to make me orange juice. And the truth is she never slept through the night. Even then because the nightmares kept her awake.”

    2020-02-24 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 371 — Adam Frankel · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source

  15. “Bunker in their backyard beneath their backyard. And the whole family went in there. My grandmother, her three sisters, two sisters had families of their own who came in, two brothers, one of whom had a child of his own, the parents. Cousin, it was this large space, or probably not that large, but a lot of people squeezed into it. I heard these stories. There were a couple of children in there, and one of the babies in the bunker started to cry. And the babies started to cry as they knew that Nazis were walking over them on the grass, in the backyard. And I would hear this story sort of from time to time in childhood, and the people would say it in soft tones. They'd have a pale look on their face. And my grandmother must have been sitting a foot or two away when she saw her aunt smother her own child.”

    2020-02-24 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 371 — Adam Frankel · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source

  16. “Yeah, you know, my grandfather passed away in his early 90s, and I got to talk to him a lot about the war by then. My grandmother passed away much earlier and her health began to decline before she did. And so I don't have a lot of memories of conversations with her. And all she didn't talk about it much, but she did share some things. I think the experience was so traumatic for her that she kept it all to herself. Didn't even talk to her husband, my grandfather, about it much. But what she did share was, and I remember her telling me of hiding as an adolescent girl in the walls of her home while the Nazis stuck bayonets into the walls looking for her, of looking through some of those holes into the attic as the Nazis walked up to the attic looking for her. I remember her telling me about the bunker and hearing the story from other family members who, when the Nazis came to liquidate their ghetto, one of her brothers built a, who was a former Polish army veteran, built a...”

    2020-02-24 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 371 — Adam Frankel · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source

  17. “You too. So I grew up with two very different sets of grandparents, different models, different experiences. On my mom's side, my grandparents were Holocaust survivors. My mother's father, who I was called Zeta, was at a number of Nazi camps, ending the war at Dachau. My grandmother, who I always called Bubby, lived for much of the war in the woods of Eastern Europe. Her brothers were fighters and she was with partisans and Jewish resistance fighters.”

    2020-02-24 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 371 — Adam Frankel · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source