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Adi Ignatius

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“Progress might be illusory in some ways, but the generation we've grown in has been in many ways the rise of business around the world, the lifting of standards of living and life expectancy. You can't help but look at some of those things and think, okay, there is a positive trend, even if there are a lot of potholes along the way.”
2025-07-15 · Masters of Scale · Trump’s chilling effect on big business, with Harvard Business Review’s Adi Ignatius · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yeah, that's a good question for everybody right now. So I find myself giving into. Where the barrage of political news is just too much. One result of that is my tennis game has gotten a lot better. I mean, I'm not going to hide it. I'm a relatively liberal guy who is, you know, kind of shocked and amazed by what is happening in this country right now. And I believe in the resilience of the American system. I don't think it's automatic, though. You can't just say, well, we've been resilient for 250 years, so we'll be fine. No, I mean, I think at a certain level, all of us have to fight in our own way for what we believe in. I certainly don't believe that progress is inevitable. I mean, you know, there is a New Yorker cartoon to be done that basically shows the world blowing up and somehow a couple scientists who have survived are saying, but we were making so much progress, right? I mean, I think, you know.”
2025-07-15 · Masters of Scale · Trump’s chilling effect on big business, with Harvard Business Review’s Adi Ignatius · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Seem sort of basic, they really matter and they matter kind of up and down the hierarchy from the CEO down to the lowest level. Business is how people interact with one another. So, you know, I came to understand that that stuff is really important.”
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“Game. So I do believe in that. The search for the kind of purpose of business, you know, what we were talking about before where for 50 years it was all about the share price. I think we need a new sort of consensus of the new paradigm. And it may be that the stakeholder stuff was too fuzzy or unclear. I won't say woke because I don't think that's I don't think that's a helpful word ever. But is there a theory of the case that we can all agree on, that what is the responsibility of a company of a CEO? And I guess the one other thing is that, you know, the soft skills, how do you interact with people? I mean, the things that...”
2025-07-15 · Masters of Scale · Trump’s chilling effect on big business, with Harvard Business Review’s Adi Ignatius · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I think leadership is real. You know, I do think companies can succeed or founder depending on the quality of leadership and that it's not simply genetic, you know, you're charismatic or you're smarter or you're not, that you can learn, you can learn to listen, you can learn to manage your time in ways that take advantage of what you need to do versus what anybody can do. I do believe in that, that there is an ability to hone your skills as a leader. And, you know, and whether it's an aphorism from Jack Welch or a, you know, a 12-page piece that has a framework for that, that there are ways to learn and really improve.”
2025-07-15 · Masters of Scale · Trump’s chilling effect on big business, with Harvard Business Review’s Adi Ignatius · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Well, that's interesting. So, do you think people have that relationship to ChatGPT where if they read it on ChatGPT, they think I can trust this?”
2025-07-15 · Masters of Scale · Trump’s chilling effect on big business, with Harvard Business Review’s Adi Ignatius · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I think we all realize the old model doesn't hold. We have to figure out how to thrive in a world where AI can do a lot of what we do, where it has, you know, so what does HBR do? We're trying to give people really smart, research-based advice on their careers and on business challenges. And AI partly because it scraped all of our content could do that pretty well. So we have to figure out, okay, so what is, so pretty well is pretty well, you know. We can do things better. What does better mean in AI world? You know, marginally better, probably people won't pay for that, significantly better, more reliable that involves more human interaction and contact. That's the answer is probably there. So we have to know what AI can do and what parts of our business it could fully disrupt and then figure out how to pivot from there”
2025-07-15 · Masters of Scale · Trump’s chilling effect on big business, with Harvard Business Review’s Adi Ignatius · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“People use the phrase Google Zero now, right? I mean, we got most of our traffic from Google searches. And now Google, especially with AI, you know, it wants to give you an answer. And that's it. And even if Google provides links, I'm not sure any user wants to follow a link right now, right? You know, sort of the expectation of how you retrieve information and get quick, quick answers and insight has just sort of changed. you know, our traffic from Google has just shrunk, shrunk, shrunk, same with every other media company. And it's not crazy to talk about Google Zero where we're getting zero referrals from Google, which they don't owe that to us, but that was the main source of web traffic for a lot of us. So, you know, I would say for us and for other media companies, you know, we're trying to create new products like the one I mentioned, HBR executive and driving new business. But longer term.”
2025-07-15 · Masters of Scale · Trump’s chilling effect on big business, with Harvard Business Review’s Adi Ignatius · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Know HVR, we're a content creator. I'm angry that all these large language models felt they could just sort of steal our content and then ask for forgiveness or not even just sort of say, well, it's different. We're not really, you know, that's crazy. I mean, but I, you know, if you're not using AI in your work and life, it's like start doing it. It's not perfect. It's not a fact rating machine, right? There are flaws, but the ability of this technology to do incredible things is here. And I think we'll get better. So I guess, I mean, I guess that makes me an advocate or proponent or somebody who's in awe at the very least.”
2025-07-15 · Masters of Scale · Trump’s chilling effect on big business, with Harvard Business Review’s Adi Ignatius · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“If it's a binary choice, I guess I'm an advocate. more than, you know, we must stop this because of the unintended consequences. I mean, you just listen to the experts and kind of put your finger in the wind and decide, okay, the metaverse kind of bought into that for a while, but then I realized, nah, that's not a big deal. This one, I think is. And who knows, right? I mean, we're not experts and even the experts obviously don't know. How AI will evolve or how consumer preferences will evolve. But my expectation is we will adopt AI at an enormous scale. Hopefully, it doesn't drive unemployment to scary levels, but could. I mean, I think that's a possibility.”
2025-07-15 · Masters of Scale · Trump’s chilling effect on big business, with Harvard Business Review’s Adi Ignatius · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I think he has some of the same tendencies to sort of blow up and interview. But as you say, I mean, he legitimately has been a kind of amazing business person, right? He's created or sustained however you want to look at it, some really game-changing businesses. And I'd like to know what's in his brain about what's next in business. I don't care what he thinks is next. in politics. And I think he thinks we all care about that.”
2025-07-15 · Masters of Scale · Trump’s chilling effect on big business, with Harvard Business Review’s Adi Ignatius · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Those interviews go off the rails, right? And you're tempted to kind of fact check him and correct him and try to demand that he answer the stay on topic. And none of that will happen. So you could end up with a very combative interview. And do I want to do that? Does Harvard business want to review want to do that? It might yield headlines, especially if it got sort of chippy, but would it yield any insight? So we've declined. We have Musk had agreed to do an interview, I would do that because I think.”
2025-07-15 · Masters of Scale · Trump’s chilling effect on big business, with Harvard Business Review’s Adi Ignatius · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Think about should HBR interview Donald Trump? Should HBR interview Elon Musk? You know, with Donald Trump, we've decided not to pursue that. And that's a tricky one. I mean, he is the president of the United States and the president of the United States should presumably have interesting things to say about the economy and about business that would be valuable to readers.”
2025-07-15 · Masters of Scale · Trump’s chilling effect on big business, with Harvard Business Review’s Adi Ignatius · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“You know, I mean, even when he took over Twitter, right? I mean, it just seemed more like he was trolling himself maybe. I mean, you know, he sort of enjoys playing the role of the troll. It seems like more than running a business, more than doing Doge. I mean, you know, that seems to be really sort of fundamental to his identity. So even though I think he's been chastened and he's got a board saying, can you pay a little attention to our business over here? You know, I think he's sort of seems incorrigible or just seems to have this desire to kind of jump in in the most public ways possible. I mean, he's addicted, it seems like, to, you know, his ex-following and his ability to kind of troll and get a reaction.”
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“I think Musk has been chasing him. I think he's realized his foray into politics has cost him at Tesla, certainly the damage the business is facing is pretty directly related to. Some of the perception of sort of what he's doing, that was bad for his business. I don't know why he then came back and said, I'm going to form another political party, because I think that the polls I've seen seems to be contributing to the sort of negative take on him and on his business.”
2025-07-15 · Masters of Scale · Trump’s chilling effect on big business, with Harvard Business Review’s Adi Ignatius · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yeah, and look, you know, I know I heard somebody at UCLA just saying good for Harvard, we couldn't do that. Know they can't even pretend they could do that just with their dependence on federal money to sort of function as an institution. I mean, it's crazy taking away the grant money for Harvard. I mean, you know, these are grants to solve problems that America has that the government cannot do. So to take away that funding, it doesn't hurt Harvard exactly. Yeah, it hurts Harvard, but these are meant to be health research or other research that like America needs American citizens need. You're hurting America. I mean, it's just there's something truly insane about this particular battle. Again, speaking as a lay person and not as an insider. And, you know, I think there are few institutions who could imagine standing up and that might depend on the big endowment that they have that enables them.”
2025-07-15 · Masters of Scale · Trump’s chilling effect on big business, with Harvard Business Review’s Adi Ignatius · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Charges of okay, Harvard is anti Semitic came out. There were people who canceled their subscriptions to Harvard Business View saying, Look, I don't want to give money to any publication that's linked to quote unquote anti-Semitic organization. So that was an initial backlash. Now it's very different. If you don't like what Trump is doing, or if you think he has too much power, it's kinglike and that's we're supposed to have the separation of powers. It's like, well, who will stand up? And the lawyers won't stand up. And, you know, companies we've already talked about are too intimidated just kind of respond. And so, okay, you know, Harvard's not caving. Harvard's, and who knows where it goes if it ends up as a positive thing or a negative thing. But I do find a lot of outside support for that.”
2025-07-15 · Masters of Scale · Trump’s chilling effect on big business, with Harvard Business Review’s Adi Ignatius · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yeah, I mean, I can't speak for Harvard. I'm not in. Any intelligent institution would take that seriously and figure out what to do. As a layperson, it seems like this is more personal and vindictive than fact-based that for a kind of from a MAGA perspective, Harvard is the enemy, a bunch of mostly liberal experts telling people what to do. Harvard's always been a target. I mean, you look at clickbait in any news thing. And if it's somebody taking down Harvard or Harvard makes a mistake, I mean, you know, the world loves to loves to read about that because it's just a symbol of greatness or liberalness or both. And so if they slip up, it's a target. So I will say, having talked to a lot of Harvard alumni, it's not universal, but by and large in almost everyone I've talked to is really impressed with Alan Garber and with Harvard's response.”
2025-07-15 · Masters of Scale · Trump’s chilling effect on big business, with Harvard Business Review’s Adi Ignatius · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Feel like the United States sort of overnight became China, right? Where, you know, you have this tremendous ability to do what you want as a business, but suddenly, you know, we can't criticize the government, right? Yeah. Because there will be a tremendous backlash and I might lose my, you know, that's China. That's authoritarianism. And I'm not saying anybody has stated that as a policy, but that's how it's rippling through. And, you know, that. That's really sad. You know, you could talk about whether CEOs speaking up on an issue, whether that's a good idea or not, or whether their statements are good or not. But the idea that, well, they wouldn't dare in this climate because it's too scary. You know, that's China under the Communist Party. I mean, that's somehow an unintended consequence of where we are right now.”
2025-07-15 · Masters of Scale · Trump’s chilling effect on big business, with Harvard Business Review’s Adi Ignatius · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“However, it wants to, and it might be negative, so you have no choice. You have to jump in to the fray. And we wrote articles and I've said that. That was sort of the new reality. Well, maybe not, right? Targets, problems, bud light. I mean, there were attempts to get involved in social issues that really backfired that made, I think companies think twice about what they were doing. I guess where we've landed is that Again, figure out what your real values are and if there are issues that really touch your business directly or your, I don't know, the values that you stand for, then yes, you cannot be silent. But this idea that you have to weigh in or your employees will get mad. I think we've rethought that.”
2025-07-15 · Masters of Scale · Trump’s chilling effect on big business, with Harvard Business Review’s Adi Ignatius · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I love this topic because if you go back a generation, CEOs didn't talk publicly about political issues and social issues. Like, why would they? That would be crazy. And then with the rise of the internet, there was this sort of truism. And I feel like I said it many times, that CEOs don't have the option of not speaking, right? Because their employees want to know where they stand on these important social and political issues. Their customers want to know. If you decide, I'm just going to stay silent, the internet, you know, X will interpret your silence.”
2025-07-15 · Masters of Scale · Trump’s chilling effect on big business, with Harvard Business Review’s Adi Ignatius · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Forget China, but from India. So, you know, these are guys who flip deep blue to deep red and are now having buyers remorse and, you know, the extent to which, look, I think whoever wins the next election will have to have a platform that is somehow appealing to business. The Biden administration, I mean, there were parts of it that almost seemed cartoonishly anti-business. You know, they're bad and rapacious. And, you know, look, I believe in regulation, of course, but, you know, there has to be a middle ground. You cannot lose business and hope to prevail, I think, in this country.”
2025-07-15 · Masters of Scale · Trump’s chilling effect on big business, with Harvard Business Review’s Adi Ignatius · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yeah, no, that's well put. And look, I feel for CEOs now who don't want to be in the crosshairs of this administration because they could make life difficult for you as they could make life. You know, Silicon Valley, CEOs there don't have the same political beliefs. They're certainly a strong libertarian strain there. But this was a guy who said, you have to understand we were deep blue, right? This is this CEO and his cohorts, right, in the tech world. We were deep blue. And then they, you know, they got pissed off with regulation and didn't like Biden's appointments and thought Biden was unfriendly to business and to mergers and things like that. Okay, fine, that's a perception. And he said, we became deep read and we were excited about Trump. We were excited that Musk was going to be doing the Doge thing. We were excited about, you know, Lutnik and Trade. Like, we are excited. And then the administration began. And there was this incredible uncertainty with all this tariff stuff that just made it hard to lead a business. And then more than that, the immigration thing had made it really difficult to bring engineers in, you know, even from.”
2025-07-15 · Masters of Scale · Trump’s chilling effect on big business, with Harvard Business Review’s Adi Ignatius · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“You should figure out what they are, and then you stick to them, hell or high water. And if it's just performative, then, okay, get rid of them. You know, that's fine. But you have to figure out what your values are and they cannot just be subject to every twist in the political calculation.”
2025-07-15 · Masters of Scale · Trump’s chilling effect on big business, with Harvard Business Review’s Adi Ignatius · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“In some ways, Mark Andreessen gave an interview, I think, to the New York Times that it's worth reading because he's just really articulate in speaking about kind of this new wave, sort of like Mark Zuckerberg saying, you know, more masculine energy. And, you know, so Andreessen just says things like why would I want people to bring their whole selves to work? Like, why is that good? And that's been such a like for a decade, we would say, you want your employees engaged. Let them bring their wholesale to work. So that's being questioned. So the point of the article I wrote is that to the extent to which you should have values as a company that don't flip-flop with every election.”
2025-07-15 · Masters of Scale · Trump’s chilling effect on big business, with Harvard Business Review’s Adi Ignatius · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Simple or as easy to grasp as a sort of freedmanesque focus on the share price. HBR, we wrote lots about stakeholder capitalism and it kind of became that's what they were teaching at Harvard Business School and that's what everybody in Davos was talking about you need to worry more about your bottom than just about your bottom line, the share price And then Trump got elected So that's why I wrote this piece on Davos Man and this is defining Davos Man as elite businessmen but who also gets you know whatever they're listening to their kids or or whatever outside pressure but they understand you know they have to think about the externalities they're creating they have to think about the planet they have to think about some social issues and not just the bottom line and then Marlago man you know is now in ascendance and you know”
2025-07-15 · Masters of Scale · Trump’s chilling effect on big business, with Harvard Business Review’s Adi Ignatius · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yeah, yeah, yeah So I was trying to capture. So, Bob, you think about this stuff all the time. So there was, let's say there was 50 years of kind of Milton Friedman sort of dominated philosophy to management and basically shareholders are what matter. And you could just measure that. And if managers are also aligned to benefit if the share price goes up, then that's great. Then your shareholders and your managers are aligned. And the other stuff will fall into place. And then 10 years ago, whatever suddenly people got more serious talking about stakeholders more broadly, that it's just not enough to worry about share price. You have to think about your employees and your customers and sustainability, the planet. And that seemed pretty entrenched, although I'd say the world was searching for the kind of theory, right, that was as”
2025-07-15 · Masters of Scale · Trump’s chilling effect on big business, with Harvard Business Review’s Adi Ignatius · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“So I think there's a general misunderstanding just how rich and developed and dynamic China is, even though it has enormous problems, including unemployment, including fiscal issues. It's certainly not perfect, but I think that's a misunderstanding. Russia, I mean, God, Russia has squandered opportunities to develop its economy since the fall of the Soviet Union. I mean, really, you know, has so many resources and the ability to be an economic player and instead has just fallen victim to corruption and sort of stupid wars, I think that's pretty well understood.”
2025-07-15 · Masters of Scale · Trump’s chilling effect on big business, with Harvard Business Review’s Adi Ignatius · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“So, Americans, I think, by and large misunderstand China. Americans, by and large, are not comfortable with the repressions that exist in China, with a sort of strongman government. And that's all fine. China is booming. I mean, you go to a Chinese city and it is, you feel, wow, I'm in the future and America is not in the future, right? I think there's some people who associate the repression in China with a sense that people are listless and want to overthrow their government or unhappy. And it couldn't be farther from the truth. I mean, China is booming. You know, if you think about where the US is moving away from sort of cleaner fuels, China has its foot on the accelerator. I mean, it is really dynamic, not just big cities, big buildings, but developing a kind of the future economy. And we're still in the sort of fossil fuels path.”
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“Terrible tragedies along the way. But, you know, there was a basic, I don't know, rules-based order, at least, you know, in the West and you kind of knew what to expect. So now you don't. And the U.S. has a president that doesn't like rules-based order. So you've lost a certain reliability or dependability on what America, the world's most powerful country stands for and will be advocating for. So it's tough. It's slippery. And I know the knee-jerk thing is to say, well, China is the big winner. And I think it's important to really analyze that. But I think it's possible China is the big winner as the kind of global economy and global, you know. Trade protocol is restructured. I think a lot of this could be to China's benefit.”
2025-07-15 · Masters of Scale · Trump’s chilling effect on big business, with Harvard Business Review’s Adi Ignatius · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I guess. You know, we live through a period. I mean, it's not like this is the worst time in the history of the world. It's definitely not. There have been periods that were much more uncertain because there was broader global war, et cetera. Okay. But we had a kind of post-World War II order and predictability that obviously had winners and losers and there were, you know,”
2025-07-15 · Masters of Scale · Trump’s chilling effect on big business, with Harvard Business Review’s Adi Ignatius · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Kind of manipulate Brazilian politics and how its Supreme Court works. So, you know, what do you do with that? So this CEO, they are doing a bunch of scenario planning if tariffs come in at 50%, if they come in at half that, if they come in at 10% and they're not sure what else to do because it is just.”
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“Washington, but then some of it sticks, right? Some of it is not bluster, but is actually significant. So I think either connecting with people who know or having people on your team who really know and know how to kind of tease out what's real versus what's not real, what you need to panic about and what you don't need to panic about is really essential. So you can't just sit back and try to follow the news cycle because the news cycles are insane, right? and not helpful. So I think those are a couple things, a couple ways to think about it. I mean, there's a lot of scenario planning. I talked to a Brazilian CEO today, right? So they're suddenly threatened with, you know, enormous levels of tariffs that are purely personal. Brazil has a trade deficit with the US. And yet, you know, Trump is threatening them with enormous tariffs. It's purely personal, political. He doesn't like Lula and he liked Bolsonaro and he's trying to.”
2025-07-15 · Masters of Scale · Trump’s chilling effect on big business, with Harvard Business Review’s Adi Ignatius · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Kareem Lakani at HBS, who's really an expert on AI, generative AI in the workplace. I mean, his big thought is that CEOs are talking about AI all the time. They're talking to their boards. They're talking to their shareholders. They're sounding knowledgeable. And he says, in fact, they're not. Most CEOs are not even remotely knowledgeable. And that it's really important that they get that threshold of kind of competence and understanding because, you know, if you're in the camp that thinks AI is truly going to change everything, and I am until proven otherwise, then the transformation needs to be driven from the top so it needs to be understood, you know, from the top. So the technological part is you've got to get involved and it has to be CEO driven with politics and geopolitics. I mean, you know, in a sense, you have to have your own foreign policy, right? Every company needs to really pay attention and think there's so much baloney coming out of Wallace.”
2025-07-15 · Masters of Scale · Trump’s chilling effect on big business, with Harvard Business Review’s Adi Ignatius · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“There are two big uncertainties now. And let's say technology, but especially AI and then the geopolitics. Think with AI, you know, so I'm not an expert on anything, but I talk to a lot of people and, you know.”
2025-07-15 · Masters of Scale · Trump’s chilling effect on big business, with Harvard Business Review’s Adi Ignatius · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Huge uncertainty there. And then what you're hinting at, the kind of political and geopolitical uncertainty that is just off the charts and really makes it difficult. So our point is not just to say it's uncertain out there, folks, but to say it's uncertain out there and there's things we've never seen before, but we have lived through moments in the past of enormous uncertainty and there are ways to lead through it. And we will try to share some of those best practices.”
2025-07-15 · Masters of Scale · Trump’s chilling effect on big business, with Harvard Business Review’s Adi Ignatius · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“So there are some indexes that track fear, that track fear, and the fear index has been kind of off the charts in ways that it had only been during the kind of early peak of COVID and during the financial collapse of 2008. So to the extent we could measure something, yeah, we're in a strange moment. I don't mean to make much of a plug for HBR, but we've just launched a new product called HBR Executive, which is very much leaning into the fact that this, you know, it's always hard at the top, but this is a really difficult moment to lead, partly because AI is out there and it's going to disrupt us all. And we're not sure when, and we're not sure how or how much, but it will.”
2025-07-15 · Masters of Scale · Trump’s chilling effect on big business, with Harvard Business Review’s Adi Ignatius · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“So, yes and no. I mean, it's, you know, it's nice to be editor in chief. I reached a point in my career, though, where I didn't want to have direct reports. I didn't want to be sitting in meetings with the board. You know, I realized what I needed at this moment in my life was to get back to the reason we all got into this profession in the first place, to write, to report, to create content. So I definitely have a pep in my step. And yes, I miss some of the trappings of power, but I'm really happy with the shift.”
2025-07-15 · Masters of Scale · Trump’s chilling effect on big business, with Harvard Business Review’s Adi Ignatius · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Suddenly, we can't criticize the government, right? Because there will be a tremendous backlash. And, you know, that's really sad. You could talk about whether CEOs speaking up on an issue, whether that's a good idea or not, but the idea that, well, they wouldn't dare in this climate because it's just scary. You know, that's China under the Communist Party. I mean, that's somehow an unintended consequence of where we are right now.”
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