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  1. You know what? I've thought about it. I would love to get in. I would love to get in there. If anyone knows a problematic rapper.

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  2. I mean, it really is like the best holiday for me. And I'm going to write a book. I'm going to write a book about, I'm going to go to other places I don't belong. And it may not be white nationalist meetings, but I'm very open to if anyone has suggestions of places that I absolutely don't belong. I'm keen on visiting.

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  3. I don't know I'm writing and directing a Christmas film, which seems like a silly thing for an Orthodox Jew, but I'm very excited.

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  4. Or an offender of an easy offender. And so I think those guardrails have been really useful for me. But there are a thousand lessons from Adam. And I miss him very much. And it was a brutal shock to lose him so soon before the run.

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  5. Which makes them think slightly less of you. And it's because it's such an easy joke. And so a joke being easy sometimes means. Sometimes Being very obviously right. And sometimes the joke is being very obviously in bad taste. And so I think those have been two

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  6. Have that partnership is really challenging, but he and I both shared some things and were different in certain ways. He was pathologically committed to thoughtfulness in a way that makes me look like a real vanilla liberal. I really loved him hugely. And I just did one show last week in Edinburgh, which is where at the fringe festival in his memory to raise money for an award they're setting up and his name. But his impact on my work is really, really incalculable. And there's one thing that I thought of this morning that's really stood out to me, which is he said to me once after I came on stage, he said, you know, the audience lasted that joke, but they're disappointed in you. I said, what do you mean? He said, That joke gets a laugh, but there's something in the audience that they can't quite suss out.

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  7. We met at a birthday party. We met a birthday party for someone else who's working on Flea Bag. And he understood me better than anybody and was able to argue with me in a way that made me feel really seen and understood. And there isn't anyone. There'sn't anyone who I miss more than him. And also the show is it's not to give too much information You know, sometimes I Like doing this show because it makes me feel close to him because it's the last thing I'll ever do with him, and sometimes it feels a little macabre to be doing this thing that I built with a guy who I discussed every day. I discuss a show every day with Adam after the show, before the show.

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  8. You know, Adam was, I met Adam in 2012. Directed, he worked on many beautiful shows, including Flea Bag. To And with a lot of mostly British comedians, he was a Brit. And we would sit, I wrote all three of my shows with Adam in the same way, which is we'd sit at one table in Soho in London and sort of plot out the show and I'd try to make him laughy at this big laugh. And he was, I don't know if he was my closest friend. Sometimes I say he was my closest friend, but

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  9. I saw that impact on our team I read your piece about how you were abroad and I thought about that a lot in the weeks following Adams. Yeah.

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  10. You know, the funny thing about that joke is it actually tells you where I am, right? Like it tells you where I am in a very slight way. And so I do think that like. Doing material in ways that everyone can respect for their deftness. Gets you out of almost anything. And whenever

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  11. It's eating up. Now I'm going to read this review, have it posted on my Dartboard. But I wonder sometimes, do we have responsibility to make everybody laugh at the material that we're doing, or do we have a responsibility just to make ourselves laugh? And like, do we have social responsibilities? Like that's the first thing that opens the show, which is like, what is our responsibility as comedians to I used to have a joke in the show though, and I took it out because it was not worth the squeeze, but this comedian at the beginning of the show, I run into a comedian, a very smart comedian, and she says to me. You know, comedians have a responsibility. And I used to say to inform people how we feel about the trans community, and she says, what? No. And it was a joke that was, it wasn't in that real conversation, but it was topical.

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  12. It's It's so interesting because sometimes I have opinions about comedians of specials and someone will be. I do think that there's a responsibility not to call back the Jackson McHenry review that I have not read.

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  13. You know, there's a lot of I think there are sometimes also, by the way, I'm very big on this. I will cop out of things that I don't feel secure. I will oftentimes pass up the shot, which by the way, I think is.

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  14. I mean, some people were like, it's dangerous. It's a poison pill wrapped in sugar. And other people said he's just making comedy. I've had a conversation about it. I've had conversations about it with other comedians. It's an evolving conversation. I think I feel differently about Dave Chappelle than I used to when I was a younger person You know, for me to say anything publicly about him is not worth the squeeze.

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  15. I do. And I did a podcast with Jonathan Greenblatt and Nick Cannon where we had this long discussion about it. And I said then it was right afterwards that I wasn't going to weigh in on it because smarter people than me. Had differing opinions on it. And I still feel that way. About that specific monologue, which is absolutely a cop out because it is.

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  16. I don't know. I don't think so. I mean, my first thought is I don't think so. I also think, by the way, whenever people are offended by something, I usually think of it as somewhat of a craft failure. Like you actually can say anything, provided you show the work, provided you justify the, there are plenty of jokes that are politically incorrect that I Think Well, I think there are some that I think are very funny because they're presented with a level of irony that shows the viewer and the listener that they're not seriously saying this. They're not taking it seriously. And some comics are better at that than others. So sometimes when comics are, you know, called out for a joke, I think, well, you haven't made the irony that you're hoping to convey very clear there. It's more of a craft.

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  17. I don't know if I don't like it whenever anyone says free speech is under threat for comedians because I'm aware of countries where comedians are being arrested for the jokes that they made. There was just a Lebanese comedian, I think, arrested for a five-year-old joke. And, you know, in China, China has been fining different comedians. And in Russia, some of my Russian comedy friends are... Have asked me not to say their names when I talk about this. Their lives are different now, too. And so the idea that free speech is under threat, I think we're certainly more interested in censure than we were, say, X number of years ago.

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  18. You know, I think I've said this before too, but I kind of, like, by the way, yes, there are jokes that I have made in the past that I wouldn't make again. My own personal standards have shifted in ways that, you know, some are societal, some are, you know, just things, you know, I don't find funny anymore. I think now we're punching down given the way that comedy doesn't exist in a vacuum. Comedy exists in response to the world, which is why, by the way, it's so hard for comedy to age well. It's like really difficult for comedy to age well. But alongside that, I think with new tensions, there are new tensions to play off of and new, you know. And new nuances to dig at and new hypocrisies to examine. And so I think that

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  19. The user experience is so viscerally unpleasant now. It just feels like the UX has spun out of control. Like I don't see the people I follow anymore. I've lost all sense of who's verified in any real way.

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  20. I checked the list a couple of weeks. It doesn't happen as much anymore. Like, again, that's anecdotal. I'm not saying it's representative. Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe I, you know, I'm not checking.

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  21. Every couple of weeks, a whole bunch of people would disappear from the list because Twitter mods had done the dirty work of coming through

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  22. I think it represents a I'm very careful about not crying wolf. I'm very careful about not seeing swastikas in our crossword puzzles or anything like that. Like I think those are silly things. Think in this case. Twitter has to make a decision in terms of whether or not they're willing to Know to give Elon the most benefit of doubt you could possibly give him if Elon truly is in pursuit of free speech, he is guilty of vagueness. He's guilty of intense vagueness in terms of how it's defined. I think in terms of what is hate speech, in terms of what is incitement, in terms of what is irresponsible rhetoric. And I would love to see Twitter do more to, it used to be, by the way, this list when I started cultivating it.

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  23. I am full throatedly, I think it's ridiculous. And I think the idea that the ADL by highlighting the fact that there is anti-Semitism on Twitter and that the position of Elon Musk certainly hasn't been to crack down on it and make it better and make the situation better since he has joined it. The idea that that is somehow defamatory is gross. And also immature, by the way. There's no world in which I don't think there's a world in which Elon Musk has a legal case here. If he wins his judgment against the ADL for billions of dollars, I'll pay it.

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  24. You know, I tend to this is a caveat, not a cop-out. I tend to stay out of contemporary politics because number one, I'm not an expert. And number two, I change my mind all the time. And by the way, I have issues with certain things that the ADL has done over the years. Like anyone who's part of any sort of group that is faced with the challenge of having a body speak for their interest, sometimes I disagree with the way that body does. Be a little unprofessional here, it's the stupidest thing in the world, this Elon Musk thing.

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  25. I underscored my white privilege in the show. And the jokes about my white privilege come in real estate in the show that I think is important. And also, by the way, I used to jokingly, in 2018, I started writing the show I jokingly referred to them as Nazis. And then smart people, I would have some conversation with smart people. And they went, it's worth clarifying that these people aren't Nazis, even if you're making jokes. So there is a joke in the show that frankly would be there even if it didn't have a joke at the end of it is a clarifying point about the fact that being a Nazis is actually a very specific thing from extremely specific moment in history. Like lots of like.

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  26. I mean, I would argue that the most important bit of the end of the show is about this. Is about the presentations that we make to be palatable. And I think that I didn't read that review, but I think that Jackson is actually quite like that. That feels like a B plus grade in terms of one comment. I mean, look, I think the show reflects my suspicion with easy comforts and easy judgment. And I'd hope that. The moment in the show where I sort of turn that on myself is something that people really take in. And yeah, I do think that the, but also by the way, when I say conversations, Kara with comedians, it's not just jokes from Billy Crystal and Mike Berbiglia. It is critiques from people who may take issues with different parts of the show. The shows that I create are forged partially in these furnaces of... Conversation and disagreement.

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  27. Yeah, I think very few people challenging the show. I also had lots of conversations with the show has formed almost entirely through conversations with people, through conversations with Mike Berglia, who's one of the producers of the show, especially most importantly, conversations with Adam Brace, conversations with my friends Morgan, my friend Danny, my friend David, and even those famous people like Jerry Seinfeld offered notes. Billy Crystal offered notes. Steve Martin offered me a joke. So the show is formed by...

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  28. I think it would absolutely be more controversial, or Adam, my director, my closest friend before he passed away before the show, which is a real tough thing. Adam and I were working on a show about Israel and Palestine. And so if I do a show about Israel and Palestine, then that certainly will be more divisive. But yeah, I think I got, I think the audience that you describe Kara is absolutely...

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  29. And so I'd see that sometimes reflected in the reaction like you do a show hundreds of times. You learn to read the reaction of the crowd or individual audience members. So that was actually kind of gratifying to see that also a conservative newspaper, I'm told, gave it a very nice review. And so lots of conservatives came to see the show. And so I had a really interesting, I would have really interesting conversations afterwards about. About the show and about how I felt about Trump and how also maybe why aren't I not talking about anti-Semitism on the left? And my answer was the show's not about anti Semitism, the show's about one person's experience on a winter night at the end of 2017.

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  30. Like, if you think being white is incredible, then Jews aren't white. If you think being white is something to apologize for, then Jews are the whitest people who have ever lived. In fact, they are secretly white people, which is even worse. So they've opted into whiteness. And so like, It's become a very complicated thing. I actually had quite a few conservative audience members. Without ascribing anything to any group of people, Orthodox Jews came to see the show in huge numbers, which was very gratifying because I was raised Orthodox and it means a lot to me to have a show where Orthodox people come and watch. Lots of Orthodox Jews are not as liberal as the rest of the audience.

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  31. I think I think I definitely changed minds because I think the, not to spoil anything, I think the truth about juice and whiteness is more complicated than either. So the induction of doubt in that conversation I saw reflected in the ways that I had afterwards, like downtown of the Cherry Lane, a guy came out of the theater. He said, you know, I always thought Jews were white until I saw the show. And then a guy behind him was like, wait, you thought Jews were white because he very clearly says that Jews aren't, you know, like the Jews are like it's a very, and I was like, you're both right. You're both right. The answer is that it's not a binary. A really close friend of mine who's a speechwriter once said to me,

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  32. Probably very little as a collective, but person to person, probably a lot. But giving someone empathy doesn't mean not holding them accountable. Giving someone as showing someone respect also means expecting from them a certain level of humanity. And so I think sometimes people mistake giving someone empathy for giving them a free pass. There should be no free passes.

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  33. I mean, it's case by case. I think that. Again, for me personally, a huge part of my life is my interior life, a huge part of my life is my identity and my community. And I think our interior lives are not based entirely in grievance. And I think our interior lives are not based in the hatred of others. And our interior lies are not based in a frustration that we're not being heard. And I think that anyone whose life is like that. Think that's a real tremendous, and again, I don't know that this is addressed in the shower, if it is, it's probably not addressed enough. It's a terrible thing to not have an identity. It's a terrible thing to feel. Feel voiceless and to feel powerless. And like I say in the show very clearly, they are 1,000% wrong. They do have a voice. They do have power. But to feel a certain way, it's...

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  34. Given that they're so horrible, and I'm such a good boy Something really interesting to me there because I am fascinated by the politics of victimhood. Like especially as it pertains to college emissions, like I feel like we're living in a time where people feel like the deck is stacked against them. And by the way, there is a part of me that wants to at different points in my life feel righteously offended. Like there is a point in my life where I've wanted to feel like that's part of the reason I say in the show that I made the list because I want to be offended.

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  35. And I also didn't want to make a show about someone who gets up and makes a big speech, especially a thing that is true is I didn't feel unsafe and people are very keen on me. It's also not a referendum on how white nationalists are or white supremacists are in the United States. It's one person's, it's not a referendum on how a Jew or a person who isn't considered classically white and the truest, truest, truest, truest sense should feel in that room. It's just I think Think to get up and give a righteous speech about how I'm the aggrieved party, there's something very disingenuous about that. And I think there's a moment in the show where I've been asked to leave. And, you know, I say, look very sad because clearly I'm the victim. And I think the performance of me personally, the idea that I have a right to be aggrieved.

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  36. I try to point that out in the show. I go, yeah. Just the epitome of white privilege is a Jew walking into a meeting of white nationalists thinking this will probably be finely work out for me. I do also think that I'm very big. I think another reason the show has resonated with folks is that the show seeks to have a conversation about whiteness and Judaism and assimilation while issuing a conversation about victimhood. Like one of the things that I did

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  37. There are very few instances. And instead of being a person who's constantly bemoaning the lack of nuance in our discourse, even though I do bemoan the lack of nuance in our discourse I think getting at a, I think you lose nothing from talking to people.

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  38. Think removing yourself from your natural habitat allows you to see sort of the outlines of yourself more clearly, right? Like I think sort of. Also, I was raised in a Talmudic environment. I was raised in an environment where Where the idea that you're wrong is okay, or the idea that the truth lies somewhere between two binaries is the most interesting one. And I actually feel that about most things. I actually feel that the truth is always somewhere between two pulls. There are very few

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  39. And so there's a lot of these conversations that are or conversations about whether or not there are as a powerful few that control our elections or something like that. I point that out in the show. Like that's actually a liberal. You know, we'd like to see meaningful campaign finance reform in the United States, like Citizens United overturned. So we may disagree on who the who's in the cabal, but there is a discussion of what exactly that cabal means.

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  40. No, no, no, no, no. But modern family. No, no, but I think I think. Was a discussion of, I guess, to broadly term it whether or not. People in people want white men anymore in different areas, which, by the way, is a topic that I've heard discussed in murmured tones in very liberal spaces as well.

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  41. No, I am a talker, but I also took a measure of the room before I got into the conversation. I sat there for a, for me, because I am a talker, a remarkable amount of time being quiet, listening before I weighed in. And I don't know if I've ever mentioned this in the show. But I was struck by how many topics I have heard discussed and even agreed with in polite company. And for the sake of not getting fly spec for a thing that?

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  42. Yeah. And I think that, you know, I don't know that if I'd say I wanted their approval, but I certainly wanted to be in the conversation. And someone, and at some point, by the way, I confirm that I'm Jewish in the room. And people sometimes ask, why didn't it lie about it?

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  43. Anti Semitism. And obviously it is, right? There's obviously, but to me, and I hate to do this because I think it's a little high-minded. I think the show is more broadly about assimilation. The show is more broadly about the type of things about ourselves that are willing to sublimate in order to stay in various rooms and conversations. And I think that that has resonated with people who aren't just Jewish. I think that's one of the reasons that the show has found in the audience. Because I think lots of people Be at their identity or their political opinions or their personality, like they wonder about the things that they've had to sublimate in order to.

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  44. Once I used to say in the show again, can't remember if I still say it, but I used to say it's like pretty spacious for New York Apartment actually, pretty spacious living room for New York City apartment. And I don't know if I want their approval, but I am certainly keen to stay in the pocket of the conversation. I think lots of us have had that. You know, like a lot of people think the show is about.

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  45. Never thought I'd get hurt. And I know that sounds silly because someone said it because I get asked a lot if I'd go back. And I think I kind of would. I think I'm in the market still. And I'm not an adrenaline junkie or like a gonzo person even. I'm just like, maybe this is a bit of white privilege, that's okay to say. But like, I truly believe that yeah, I can talk to anybody.

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  46. I mean, some people would block me, which does actually get you off the list, by the way. But someone said to me, you know, I'm not anti-Semitic. I just don't like Jews very much. And I was like, okay, well. I'd be happy to split that hair with you if you really want to. And you'd go, you know, there are people, by and large, there are people behind these keyboards. Like I think about that a lot. Which is that some of these people, you know, they walk the streets beside us. And instead of being horrified by that and terrified by that. I am interested in the fact that there is this. Of the population that has this extremely unreasonable and socially unacceptable opinion.

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  47. Oh, you bet. Get a little notification saying Alex Settleman has added you to the list Jewish National Fund contributors to law fun, actually.

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  48. Yes. I used to be shocked at how easy it was to find. And now you don't even need to find it. But I was interested in sort of collating maybe a place that I could go. Like a digital terrarium of lunatics. And then I became sort of fascinated by the cross section of people who are anti-Semitic because sometimes you log on and you'd see different types of anti-Semites on there. But, you know, the funny thing is I think I checked it for I started building that list in 2016, 2017, 2018. And then around the beginning of 2019, I kind of lost the appetite to look at it anymore.

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  49. I can't remember if I was just sort of trolling. But what I think I was doing was I was interested in this corner of Twitter that I would never go to, but obviously I won't say how to find it on here because I think some of that underbelly of Twitter has become more of the actual belly of Twitter.

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  50. Wow, the premise of the show is I put out something a couple years ago and I got a little bit of anti-Semitic feedback for it. And I sort of went down the rabbit hole a little bit of these sort of like white nationalist corner of Twitter and started making a list of white nationalists and make a long story to make an hour and 20 minute story short. I wound up at this meeting of white nationalists in Queens. And that's what the show is about.

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