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  1. Well, my family does. Yeah, but also I'm very inspired by the energy that you are creating with this show that is going to be shown to everybody to taste and to dream of. That inspires me because I'm a big person about hope and optimism. I just am.

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  2. And very, very often and in the busyness of stuff that maybe one isn't totally thrilled to be doing. You know, I got to list. Part of me is guilty of saying, wow, I hope this meeting is going to be over soon or whatever, but I'm definitely in the present when I'm on my own. Definitely.

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  3. Oh god, what good questions! That's hard for me to answer. I feel, I think I just feel it. I think I am really paying attention

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  4. That's a wonderful question. I wouldn't say as much as I aspire to be, but that's part of the process of dropping all that fakeness. And it's so ingrained that I'm not there yet. But I know what I want.

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  5. Can't answer what is God? I have no idea. I just know that I can't relate at all to people who think there is no power in this universe above and beyond a brilliant human being. I just don't get it.

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  6. It's a big deal, and it touches every single thing in your life. It touches the way you cut the flowers Way you treat the checkout guy on a Friday night when you're waiting and he's tired and he's got, I mean, it's so, so important to me. And that connectedness so. And this is so foreign to me, Oprah. I mean, I never heard that when I was a kid. Never. I heard be special, do more. Be bigger, you know? Get an A. That's nice. You got an A minus. Get an A next time. Instead of Be kind. Yeah. So I have no idea what my legacy is. Probably the crazy lady and a black dress with a lot of silver bracelets, 435 stray dogs making chocolate. That's probably my legacy. Whatever works.

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  7. I'm going to answer with something a friend said because I've never really thought of that. She said kindness. And I think it's, I always loved it when the Dalai Lama said, my religion is kindness.

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  8. Yeah, and I'm not the brightest in a whole lot of areas. Like, I'm painfully challenged in the computer generation. But, I mean, I can get by skeletally, but I can't do what most four-year-olds can do. But there's a whole richness to life besides information. Presence, I think, is a big deal. And I think I worry sometimes that a lot of kids...

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  9. That you have all the people. And we all love you and you know how much you're loved and the sun isn't out. That I can't deal with So, and I'm curious, don't you think that helps?

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  10. Is 100% yourself? I just think I've been around a long time, and I've seen big stuff come and go. And my practice is very, very baby level. But the kernels that I've been able to assimilate like always looking for the gratitude, always looking for what good thing might be in that story. I've got some very important people in my life. This is such a cliche, but it's so perfect, who always see the glass half empty. It doesn't matter what. I have a dear friend whose birthday it was the other day, and she had all these people around her that she adores and they'd flown in, and I called her to say happy. Oh God, the sun isn't out. I said, you've got to be kidding. What do you mean the sun isn't out?

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  11. And so I'm learning stuff. Jim Ritz, as you get older, you know, body parts for some of us don't work the way they used to. practice with teachers that say it's okay if you don't do that because your shoulder's gonna hurt. And then I do my day, which is different every day. I do a lot of community service where I live. I can make a teeny bit of difference, and there's staggering need. So I do, that's mostly what I do there. And most everybody that I like does it too. It's no big deal. And some of us are...

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  12. Groovy yoga. I do it in order to try to meditate. I try to meditate through the whole practice. And we have an amazing, amazing bunch of teachers in Santa Fe where I live who've studied for decades. They're not gym rats that decided to do yoga

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  13. First of all, I get up. Here's when I get up. I have a Scotty dog. Who sleeps on the bed? Who has been trained by my wonderful dog sitter to get up on his work schedule? That's 5 30. Not negotiable. So I pretend I don't see her getting up. And then she falls off the bed, clanking her medals, and then I'm pretending. And then she does this on the side of the mattress. Okay. So I'm up at 5.30, and then she goes outside for a second. I make a tea, and then I read for an hour because I love to read. Sometimes I read information, but sometimes I read literature, which I love. Yeah, because it's quiet. It's only 6 30 in the morning They've eaten and I can be quiet, and then I do yoga every morning, and I don't do it, you know, the way some people do hot, athletic.

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  14. But So I get probably more attention than some people, but it's not that crazy fame stuff. And I do have an honest to God feeling that Being living in the present and finding what's good about it is how I want to be alive. I do not want to sit in some rewrite of the past. Or invent the what's going to happen story. And that's a big discipline, but I think everything that I do is trying to make that be the way I live. And sometimes I actually succeed.

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  15. You know, I'm very, very lucky because I probably am not qualified to say I don't have any of it because that movie love story played all over the world and I travel a lot and so there is always somebody that says when are you going to make another movie like that or so? We're talking about 43 years ago.

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  16. I mean, in the old days, there were several very well known ones who probably were annoying, but you could say, okay, I'll stand here for a minute, and then can I have my day? And they would say, surely, thank you.

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  17. Most of these kids that get hit with that level of fame and money and access and toys and constant shallow praising, you know, and oh no, no, you sit here because

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  18. First of all, I think I was very lucky it didn't hit me till I was 30, and I'd been working. Since I was fourteen, like most normal people And so I wasn't buying movie magazines and saying, oh, God, if I only were fill in the blank for the time. I got my parents didn't think much of what I happened into as a career. I think that they thought it was shockingly shallow, which is silly. But, you know, it just happened to me. And so I think I had a head on my shoulders thanks to my parents. And I was old enough.

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  19. But the funny thing is, you know, I was asked to do this benefit, and it's something important. And they said it's going to be fabulous. We have 12 dinners. And would you come to one of them? And then we're all getting together for dessert. And I said, I would rather eat glass. Do the damn dinner, but I am not going to go stand around and air kiss 250 people have just eaten for something good. Take the check and get home with my cat and dog.

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  20. Think I am who's puppeting during the work time. I can come up with staggering energy that people think means that I'm social. I'm not. I'm not. I have good manners. I look on it as work. I'm a pro. I do what I'm supposed to do. And then I say the magic phrase, I think I forgot to feed the dog, which is just a way to get the hell out of there. No, I love my solitude. It's so rich. Don't you think? You mustn't have any time to be alone. Oh no.

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  21. It's a good question. Well, I knew the I wasn't a person who went around patting babies as a young girl. But the second I had this boy, he became the most important part of my heart, for sure. And the miracle, of course, it's so obvious, of watching the perfection of this little thing to, you know, a grown-up. I mean, there's no way not to believe that something's going on in this... Universe that has nothing to do with the smartest man in the science lab. I'm sorry. I mean, it's like walking on the beach and watching the moon come up. And When you talk about spiritual stuff for me, My easiest touch is nature because no matter how riled up I am, if I'm with an animal or walking in a place like this or finding a leaf or I immediately drop all the laundry list of what

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  22. Well, first of all, my mother, who was a remarkable woman, with very Very little, and it was all given all the time. So I'm sure that was my model of what a woman would be.

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  23. I have no idea what I was making. But I mean, this is not something I could have constructed. I couldn't have cast it or thought of it. And I don't attach anything to that except that I did have in that moment, after a kind of difficult time, this knowledge that, you know, there is ecstatic joy as part of the menu too. It's not all being a good girl and getting it all right and getting a check and a gold star. There's the possibility in life and being alive and being connected, to be out of your mind joyful. And it's not about the greatest dress or the new shoes or the great looking boyfriend or the good car. It's just that connection with people that really matt to me. So I found that astonishing because I'd never had that.

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  24. I brewed quite a bit, you know. And I suddenly had this vision that came out of nowhere. I was in a place that actually means an enormous amount to me. And every male figure in my life, my son, my ex-husband's important lovers, gay men friends, and a lifetime of animals. We were in this long, long, long horizontal line. This is so crazy, holding hands and dancing across the Piazza San Marco. This music and rocking out and the joy.

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  25. Robert Evans, and then my very first husband, who I haven't seen for years, but we've had a meeting that was very, very extraordinary about talking about a long time ago. Now, obviously, Steve McQueen is dead for thirty some odd years, and it's sad to me that as sober, grown up, non sexually connected beings, we didn't get to sit down and clean it all You know, because something was there. But how do people who aren't me? I can't talk about him. He had his own stuff. But I always thought he'd leave me. I mean, it was this absurd. I don't know what I thought, except that I wasn't real.

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  26. You know, I married some wonderful men, and the ones that are alive are my friends, real friends, which is quite different.

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  27. I mean, it wasn't mean, it was just two things. It was, why can't you read my mind? About what I'd like and what I wouldn't like. How about speaking English? Kindly and gently, but how about saying Know this doesn't feel right, or that does, or I really would like to ask you if you could do this for me. I expected my mind, the arrogance of it just blows my mind, my arrogance.

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  28. It's not, and I see this a lot with younger women that I spend time with. That if I say that, he's going to leave me. That thing, and it became very fashionable.

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  29. I think it's being connected to my soul for a change instead of selling it every fifteen minutes for this phantom person I was inventing, you know, because I always I think I might have told you this years ago when we met, I always felt there was one person standing here maybe in the right outfit. Mouth moving and the real person the shadow was right here, and I like when it comes together. So it's back to that word real and authentic.

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  30. Yes, I agree with that, but I think it's also that if you have treated people shamefully That, I think shame is one of the most horrifying emotions, maybe the most horrifying for me. And there were periods in my life where I behaved in a way I knew better than to do, and I couldn't forget it. I couldn't have another champagne and dance and put on the great dress. Because I still went. And being sober has been so incredible for me being able to bust myself on that stuff and not going into the closet and pretend I didn't see. You know, it's taken a long time. And it is life's work, I think. And I love that it's constantly said it's progress, not perfection.

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  31. And actually. It's funny, I could never get drunk or high enough ever to not know what I had done. You know that kind of, ooh, I don't remember I couldn't ever not feel the shame of being unreal. It's selling your soul.

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  32. But some of the stuff I did is revolting. We were told a white lie is okay. No, a white lie is a lie, right? It's a lie. It's a lie.

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  33. You know something really scary? I think that there are That this knowing is deep, deep, deep. I think it goes Back to childhood survival stuff.

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  34. Well, and the other thing that's scary is that the underpinning is, do you still like me? And it's a drag because we can't

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  35. We're having this party, and she starts dropping all these names, and blah, blah, blah. I was just off a plane in a grocery store, and she's going on and on. She said, you want to come, don't you? And I said, no. And I thought, oh my God, where's the no thank you, but I have a cold, but I can't wait to have lunch with you bull that I used to add to me.

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  36. I was scared about all the things that we're taught we should start getting scared about. I wrote them, and then I went okay, that's it. And I felt like it's time, you know, I've got that one down. Now let's go on and live. It was a very jubilant day, and I was in a beautiful place. It was empty except for the system.

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  37. You know what I did? It was so funny. I keep a journal only when I travel. And I went to this place that a friend owns in. Little corner of Mexico, and I brought a book and brilliantly colored double-ended pens. And I locked myself in my room and I wrote the Today I'm 65 thing. And I said stuff like, am I ever going to have sex again in red? Or do I have to do something about the third chin in a hideous electric green? So I couldn't hide behind the kind of truths you talk about with your best girlfriend. I told myself some of the vanity scares. And I wrote and I cried and I wrote and I cried. And then I got so bored with it. It was like two days drinking tea and writing my true scary stuff and a lot of other things.

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  38. That's the big one. Hi, what are you doing? And that's a loaded thing. And it was hard. I can't say it wasn't, and I watch people a lot younger than I am because the media tells us that by the time we're forty year old women in LA It up, you know, don't work, don't hope to be attractive or sexual or anything. It's really bad message. Don't you think so?

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  39. I know I wouldn't have, which isn't to say that I can't go back. But I've been there 20 years and it was, as you know, A story of a house, my rented house burning down And I thought, not O God, oh God, I thought, this has got to be happening to me for a reason, because there's like 15 houses on the block and only one didn't burn to an ashtray. So, what's the bigger story here? And I was sure that it was to get me out of LA, which is not against LA at all, but it's tough being an ex female pop star getting older in a town that often judges you by how do you look, who are you with, how did you cut your hair, at least in my world?

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  40. I'm not saying that I don't think plastic surgery has a place because I think it's great, but I think if it's not your scene. Not the end of your life, and that message is not being delivered at all.

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  41. There's none. I don't know another country that warehouses their parents, that goes Oh gosh, you know she's losing her mind a little bit so let's put her away and visit her once a week. No, there isn't any reverence for age none whatsoever. And in Beverly Hills it's really chilling. And I think it's heartbreaking. I see those creatures thinking, wow, now I look young, don't I? No, you don't look comfortable. You know, being who we are.

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  42. The specialness. You know, I remember, as you well know, I went to treatment for alcoholism 28 years ago. I remember that there were certain very, very well-known people who were suffering. And some of the people around them wanted them in a special place because nobody could understand.

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  43. Yeah, no, I think it's of spirituality? Yeah, I think it's involves kindness and compassion and non-judgment, not qualities that manifest very often when you're scared stiff and put up a fake I'm talking about myself and put up a fake thing to keep people from seeing how scared you are. And I think that being real and being as kind and something else it seems to be very odd for a celebrity, which is to aspire to some kind of humility. I just think.

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  44. But you know, I thought I would try it. And I live in Santa Fe where there are the most amazing looking grown-up women doing incredible things, maybe a brand new thing, and looking like themselves. And I thought, I'm safe doing this here because I'm so intimidated in that old way, for example, about walking down Rodeo Drive. Oh God, somebody's sooner going to say, wow, I know somebody could really do your neck. Or what are you doing now? All that LA talk, you know, to define your worthness. And I said, screw it, I'm just going to see what it looks like. And it looked awful for a while, but now I really love it. So then I thought, how ironic that you would go, because talk about hiding. This isn't exactly the place to hide, right? Surprise, this is what I look like.

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  45. Thank you. What Decided one day. I turned 75 on April Fool's Day, as you know. And I suddenly thought, you know, enough is enough. I mean, there's something very funny. I'm sure there's a million people out there that think I'm crazy. I felt some kind of change. I really did. It was subtle. But I think it's all about building up to who are you? My God, I mean, about time, wouldn't you say? I mean, 75 years of practicing like. Starting to think about

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