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  1. Backlash for infrastructure. But then on the way home, we finally got Jack asleep. He does not like us cursey. And then we hit a pothole and he woke up. And I became a huge proponent of the infrastructure deal.

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  2. We went on a long car trip this weekend down the coast to the beach. And on the way there, there was tremendous traffic because of road construction. And I became an ardent opponent of infrastructure. Two small children in the car.

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  3. And he's out there. Fox will start. He'll be on Fox more. But, you know, it certainly won't be like 2018 or 2020 for sure. He's not tweeting.

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  4. An open question as to whether he's going to be much more front of mind when people start campaigning at 2022. There's going to be a bunch of primaries.

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  5. I do not think you can sell photos or smarter than thinking Donald Trump's going to be the speaker of the house. One, mostly don't know that Donald Trump doesn't have to be in the house. So it seems incredibly stupid and crazy. But I think there's a bigger question. About whether Democrats should keep Trump front of mind heading into 2022, right? Whether that's a speaker because he's doing this rally apparently this weekend, his general influence in the party, that's a different strategic thing. Whether the speaker thing itself is too narrow and absurd to be a credible argument for donations, volunteers, and votes, but the fact that Trump could become speaker is the larger issue that probably has to be addressed.

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  6. I will say, I was unfamiliar with, you know, I'm a regular listener of the Wayne Allen Root show, but I missed it on this day. So when I got the email, I thought they just like made it up out of whole cloth. And I was like legitimately mad at the UCC. It's like, come on, be better than that. You're not a scam pack. But it turned out he did actually.

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  7. They've made some errors early on. But it is like the cry part is if Donald Trump said he wanted to be speaker tomorrow. The house would vote out Kevin McCarthy by lunch, right? That is a level of support he has. He could do it if he wants to. And that's. That's the scary part about if he just said he wanted it, they would give it to him. And it just speaks to the larger fact that Trump may be off the main stage beforeced to do interviews with Wayne Allen Root, but he still is the most dominant figure in Republican politics and calls the shots.

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  8. Put you in a tough position there. I think Donald, I'm not going to take the bait. It's not going to take the bait today. We're running long here. No one's got time for a 17 minute Paul Ryan Rant circa 2018. Can't blame you for trying. It's not going to happen. Although it's notable even Wayne Allen Root is too stupid because to notice Donald Trump could be speaker without running for the House because there's nothing in the Constitution says the Speaker of the House has to be a member of the House, which is why.

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  9. Everyone in a caucus on door. Great manager. I am told that he is a student of Lyndon Johnson. He can recite lines from Robert Carroll's Master of the Senate from Hart. Like, this is the perfect, like, this is a man finding his passion in the house. No, it's fucking absurd. It would be truly a worse speaker than Kevin McCarthy, which is saying a lot. But there is like.

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  10. Look, has there ever been a person better designed for a job than Donald Trump as Speaker? He is someone with a mastery of details deeply engaged in the nuts and bolts and the intricate rules of legislating.

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  11. Before I get to that, we don't hear Trump's voices much anymore. And so I've sort of forgotten his habit of agreeing with literally any idea, which is based in some sort of underlying complement, right? If someone was like, Former President Trump, you have just a great nose. Have you thought about cutting it off and putting it at museum? He'd be like, you know, a lot of people have been talking about my nose kind of seems like a good idea.

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  12. Calculate their own odd risks of danger are quite small, right? Like you drive your car a day without being afraid. I've seen you literally rip an armrest off of a regional j at the slightest bit of turbulence, even though I can tell you a thousand times intellectually that which is crime is the same way, right? You can tell people it's not in their community. It doesn't mean they're not going to worry about it in their community. The salience in the political power of the issue goes up. But with everything.

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  13. Think there's one other element this is you can't let the Republicans off the hook for what they're trying to do here. This is a part, a central piece of the Republican political strategy going back to 1968, right? When Nixon ran as a law and order president, they focus on crime as an issue, particularly at times in which there is a conversation and progress on moving closer towards being a multiracial democracy. It is to say that advances in civil rights, advances in political power, in economic power for black and brown and other non-white voters comes at a cost to you white Christian voters, right? Like we talked about this with Jolan Nika, we talked about, but this is the central story and we should not ignore that story. We should recognize that the efficacy of that crime attack goes up when crime rates go up. And even if it's not happening in your city and you know this as a nervous flyer, people's ability to

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  14. I mean, think if you're going to try to draw any larger lesson from these elections and these very democratic cities, the one that I would at least take is you have to talk about crime, have a problem to deal with rising crime rates because voters, including Democratic voters, are very concerned about them, but also have a plan for police reform because voters and including Democratic and some Republican voters are concerned about police violence. So you have to talk about both. If we're going to try to draw a lesson from it, that is the lesson.

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  15. You can then also look at, and I think Alex Perene of the New Republic had a very good article on this the other day. Eric Adams' story is much more complicated than just being a former cop. Yes, yes, he is a former cop. Yes, he talked about crime a lot and particularly how it affected poorer New Yorkers. There's a really interesting anecdote from the campaign where there was a shooting in Times Square and Andrew Yang rushed there to talk about it. And Eric Adams went and he took on Andrew Yang and said, these sort of things have been happening in my community for a long time, not just here in Times Square. It just took you, it took everyone else too long to notice. But Eric Adams is also, who's been in Pulitzer for a very long time, been a fierce critic of the New York Police Department, a lot of Sivkins. He has pushed for the ending of qualified immunity. For me, he is a former cop, but he's also someone who was seen by a lot of people as a critic of the New York Police Department. And so it's all very also.

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  16. I think the answer is that it's complicated. There is such an attempt to Drive a simplistic political narrative or outcome from these sets of things, right? You can people can go find a data point to prove their prior views if they want. If you think that there's good, there's very good politics in pushing very, very hard on police reinvestment, then you look at Buffalo. But then someone else looks at that and says, that was a mayor's race with a 20,000 person turnout in a state of, in a city with more than 200,000 residents. You could look at New York and say, here we are a year after the murder of George Floyd in a massive uprising in America against structural racism and police violence. And a former cop won the Democratic primary in one of the biggest bluest cities in the country.

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  17. Law enforcement without backing away for her calls for police accountability and police reform or backing away from Stronger attacks against her opponent. And so I think address the issue Don't back away. It is not a binary choice between talking about efforts to combat crime and also recognizing the role of structural racism in policing and then go on the offense. I think that is sort of the three steps there.

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  18. I mean, incredibly challenging, right? Because the power of the Republican media apparatus allows that to convince large swaths of voters that the vast majority of Democrats are for defund the police, whatever that means, right? I mean, even we saw polling in 2020 in Wisconsin and Michigan, obviously at the center of the conversation around police violence that showed that large portions of voters, including in some cases nearly a third of Democrats, believe that Joe Biden supported the position of defunding the police. So there's a ton of power in that. You and I talked about this a few weeks ago. I talked about it with Cornell on campaign experts react. There is some models of success in the New Mexico special where crime was the center of the Republican attacks on the Democrat, where the Democratic candidate who had supported the Breve Act and was being accused of defund the police did two things that were notable. One, she talked about her support for

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  19. Yes. I think substantively it seems like the right thing to do. Politically, I think it is sort of a masterstroke, which is in the old 90s DLC world of smart politics, the message to Democrats was be tough on crime and soft on guns, right? That you had to, that that is the right approach. By focusing, this is obviously substantively correct, but politically focusing on guns allows Democrats to go on the offense on this issue because Republicans are the ones blocking the policies, the common sense, incredibly popular policies to help with universal background checks and other ways to keep to stem the ready availability of guns that lead to these crimes and these murders. And so I think it's the exact right thing to do. It is leading its front foot forward and if done correctly can be a very strong way to defuse these attacks and put Republicans on the defensive.

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  20. Right. I don't think it is, anyone can say it's a one to one ratio, right? Because this happened because of the pandemic. But you also would have to be a moron to say they're unrelated, right? That's obviously related in some significant way. The thing that is notable is that the data thus far in the first half of 2021, which while the pandemic is far from over, but society has opened up in some ways and some of the 2020 causes are less present now, the murder rates are still up. We're up 40 in the beginning half of this year, we're up 49% over this point in 2019. And there is a, you know, there are some sociologists in criminologists who talk about sort of a self-perpetuating nature of crime, like crime leads to more crime. But regardless of the reasons, we can't dismiss it and we have to address it substantively and politically.

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  21. Yeah, I mean, it would be insane not to. And there has been in some corners some dismissing of these numbers as a pandemic related aberration because they run counter to the long-term trends on crime since the 90s.

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  22. The fact that Republicans Make up a bunch of bullshit about crime as part of a political strategy does not mean it isn't an actual real issue that affects people's lives. And a rise in murder at that scale is something that has to be done with. And there are limits to what the federal government can do given that so much of policing and law enforcement happens at the state and city level. But Joe Biden's president of the United States murders the United States. addressing it seems like the exact right thing to do substantively, if not politically.

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  23. Definitely it was Donald Trump, so we should just stipulate that the Republican view is in the year 2020, the rise in murders was a result of big city pro-Antifa Democratic mayors. And in 2021, the person responsible for the rise and murders is the Democratic president.

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  24. I would like to make one point first so we put this in perspective. What year did you say the increase in murders happened?

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  25. I know you have to go. So thank you so much for joining us, and we would love to have you back to have a much longer conversation about big tech and all your efforts on antitrust. I promise you that.

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  26. And we would love to have you back to talk Donald Fernandez would be very fascinated. But there was progress on this last night. In a House committee, anything upcoming in the Senate that you want to see done that you're trying to get done.

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  27. Last question. You have written and focused a lot of your energy on antitrust and big tech around big tech in particular.

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  28. Before I let you go, I wanted to ask you about two things unrelated to voting rights. First is this infrastructure package. What is your view of how this should be?

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  29. There are two sort of ticking clocks that are putting pressure on the voting rights stuff. One is, obviously, we have an election coming up in next year, but more short-term and more urgent than that is the provision, which very, I think people were pleasantly surprised to see in Senator Manchester's compromise to deal with partisan gerrymandering and put in place independent redistricting commissions. That has to happen very shortly in order to be in place for 2022. Is that one of the arguments that you're making to people in the caucus about this?

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  30. Obviously, the Senate is taking off shortly. It was going to be out in August. We now have a bipartisan infrastructure deal, a pledge to move on budget reconciliation for infrastructure. Where do you think in the calendar we're next going to hear or have a vote on voting rights and protecting democracy?

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  31. One real threat to democracy in this country is not just voter suppression, but election subversion and the idea that Republicans will cast out legally count votes. State legislators would be able to get rid of election officials who they disagree with. This is something we came very close to this being a gigantic problem in 2020. It's not addressed in the Four the People Act, S1, and any four, but you. Along with Senator Warner, co sponsored a bill. Can you tell us one what's in this bill and why how real a threat do you think election subversion is?

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  32. You alluded to negotiations with Senator Manchin around the text of a bill he could support. Are there specific things in his compromise that you oppose or specific things you want to ensure in there before we? Because it sounds like we are not yet at that point where there was a fully agreed upon bill that all 50 Democrats could support.

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  33. From the outside, right? There's two ways to get this done: there is get convincing 10 Republicans that have a miraculous conversion. I'm very glad that you didn't even let me finish that sentence. I don't have to worry about my follow up. As you mentioned, getting Senator's Mansion, cinema, and perhaps others to change their mind on the filibuster. Senator Manchin has expressed some private openness and a little public openness to change. Senator of cinema just wrote an op-ed saying she was not going to change her mind on the filibuster. From the outside, it seems like we're in a really dire straits. From your respect on the inside, do you see more reasons for hope or arguments you think could be made to change her position or other's position to make an exception here or reform the filibuster or something like that?

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  34. It's probably ranked slightly below Senator, but yes. After the vote on Tuesday, your colleague Senator Maisie Arano told The Atlantic there better be a plan B. I just don't know what it is. Do you know what Plan B is? Is there a plan B? What can you tell us about the next steps after the voting rights bill was stopped on Tuesday?

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  35. Right. I did read Twitter and I covered up some crimes. And this was, you know, they can go home this weekend and say we got a deal, right? And then the other, if you were to try to impute some sort of political strategy behind it, is the Republicans need to show in order to make a case that they, for divided government, need to show that they're not just a bunch of Trumpian lunatics. And here's a case for it, right? Like divided government works. Put us in charge. We can do things besides just like enable Matt Gates or back Marjorie Taylor Green or all of those things. It's an argument that Republicans can govern. You know, I think it's probably more the human thing than the political strategy thing. And I think it's. I think this happened despite Mitch McConnell, not because of Mitch McConnell. I think he just could not stop it.

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  36. Who they want to do something right? They're in the Senate, they abided by a bunch of Trumpian bullshit for a long time. Here's a chance to do something. They're human beings involved in this process always who have to go home and be like, what did you do this week? Nothing, right? I covered up some crimes.

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  37. And I do think there's a lot of road to travel here, what's that reconciliation mode going to look like? Once again, it comes down to Joe Mansion and Kirsten Sinn and others. Is it really going to look like the $6 trillion bill that Bernie Sanders wants? That seems unlikely. What will be in there, what won't be in there? Can what comes out of the Senate pass the House is an open question with those narrow margins. So like you said, a lot of road to travel here. Two reasons why Republicans might have done this. One is Just may be that Mitch McConnell could not stop them. There were enough Republicans who have been in this.

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  38. Been wondering this for a long time and trying to figure out how the pieces come together. There was a report a few last week, yesterday, a month ago, who the fuck knows at this point that one of the reasons why McConnell wanted was open to this deal happening was he thought it made a big bipartisan reconciliation deal less likely that getting something done on a bipartisan basis would convince Mansion and Cinema that they would not need to be on board for a big Democrats only bill that doesn't seem to have borne out according to what Manchin said publicly we still need to hear from Sinn and others about that So, I don't.

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  39. He has pulled something off here that proves his theory of the case. And he deserves a ton of credit for it. The Democratic Senate deserves a ton of credit for it. These Republicans who seem willing to do something reasonable deserve some credit for it. They get some demerits for trying to rig elections and steal democracy and just general terribleness. But I am relatively bearish on the long-term politics of a bipartisan infrastructure deal. Infrastructure is not something that people feel in their lives immediately, but this is a huge feather in Joe Biden's cap.

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  40. I mean, it is a big deal, right? Joe Biden ran in part on his ability to get things done on a bipartisan basis in Washington. And he did. If you had said. Six months ago, a year ago, that there was a Democratic president going to strike a trillion dollar, near trillion dollar infrastructure deal with Republicans, you'd think that was insane. We have been dancing.

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  41. Into thinking that something is more possible than it is for the purposes of keeping them fired up, that's a mistake. I think if we don't get this done now, Becomes a huge issue for 2022. This is like what you have to win elections, particularly midterms, you have to raise the stakes. Fate of democracy is a high stakes thing. And so that's why it's important to talk about it, but understand that the current allotment of power in Washington make it incredibly difficult, if not impossible. And impossible no matter what. Chuck Schumer does, Joe Biden does. This was where you do everything exactly right and end up in the exact same place.

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  42. The thing that haunts me about this, and like you said, I worry that in my public comments on this, I have been sort of night. More naive than I would like to be, or more hopeful that I wanted because I think this is so important. And I do think there is a path. I mean, the numbers are there to do it. It just requires people to do the opposite of a thing they keep insisting on writing out beds to tell us they're going to do. But the thing that I've been thinking about is in 2020, there was an article. I can't, I don't know whether this report is actually true, but it said basically the DSCC was keeping the Kentucky Senate race on their list of races to watch or their top targets, whatever it is, because that was a great way to raise money, even though they very well knew that the odds of A Macroth winning that race, one of the most Republican states in the country in a presidential election year, were basically zero. And when you, and this is, I wrote this in the piece, when you, one of the cardinal rules of politics is to treat your activists, volunteers, and voters like adults. And if you try to trick them.

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  43. And one important thing you said, which is be realistic about the chances. Because I think And this is challenging, right? You don't want to be defeatist, but you also don't want to falsely inflate hopes. And one of the things that has been sort of haunting.

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  44. Yes. This is a place where buying can be helpful, which is name one voting rights provision you would support. One single one that will get 10 Republican votes.

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  45. My view, and I am incredibly biased on this issue as you are, is think that everything flows from a Republican effort to install minority rule in this country. And if we don't take it on and address it, both substantively and politically, we are completely and totally fucked, right? That is the votes of America slogan. And so there is this feeling in its heart, like this is one of the sort of the dissonance of the strategy. I don't think you can say that the laws being passed in Georgia, Texas, and elsewhere are Jim Crow in the 21st century, or that this is an existential threat to democracy or those things like that, and not make it a huge part of your public messaging. I think that's good politics for 2022 because we have to keep people fired up. And if we cannot address it now, which I think is a very live possibility.

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  46. I don't really buy that. I'm skeptical of that, right? I mean, one of these reports also said that Biden privately and like take every anonymous report with some grain of salt, which I mean, this isn't Trump saying they made up the sources just you never know who the person is and how much it actually represents the view of the president. But one of these reports said that they have decided that the odds on voting rights are incredibly slim to impossible. Infrastructure is a very real life possibility, which we'll talk about in a minute. And the politics of getting something done that is on the bread and butter issue of the economy is better for the results in 2022 than trying and failing on voting rights. Think that that is not an insane political calculus. I understand how they get to that point.

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  47. Don't seem to be super deep in the details of the bill up until just this last turn of the wheel here where we came out with a compromise. And I think there was some report, I think it was in the New York Times, where these Democratic senators who have been talking to him in the hallway keep saying, well, what do you want? What do you want? What he would say is I want one Republican. It's like I want pigs to fly. Like, that's not an actual answer to the question. But still, if you're going to have the vote, you got to have Joe Mansion, not hours before the vote, weeks before the vote, so that you can give people, you can drive a mess or you can drive an everything. You can do the very first part of what is a very difficult two-step.

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  48. Yes, that is the problem he has been telling us and telling us and telling us he does not support this bill. Now, granted, he seems to be a very annoying person to work with. He seems very vague.

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  49. Yeah, it is. And I think the order of operations is important here. And this is where I think the mistake happened in the beginning. You have to change the filibuster to do this. There is no 10 Republicans. There is no nine Republicans. There is not one Republican who is going to be for something for voting right that is substantial for voting rights because it's not in their political interest. So you have to change filibuster. In order to change the filibuster, you have to find a bill that all 50 Democrats support. So you have to get your mansion. So that is step one.

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  50. I mean, I also just want to stipulate, and I wrote this in the piece that I hate being this person. This is the person, I have become the person I hate. This is always harder and more complicated than people on the outside think. They are dealing with a whole bunch of other things. And it's easy. You and I just spent last week making fun of the people who believe in the Green Lantern theory of politics would say, if you just give enough speeches and have enough meetings, you can make the impossible possible. I don't think that's the case here. I think it is nothing David Axrod said this on TV the other day. If Biden had talked about this every single day from inauguration today, the result still is a 50-50 Motion to proceed vote on this bill doesn't change that.

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