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  1. “Grouped together for vacations, I mean, let alone a dinner, but there's few companies that would have said, oh, yeah, you should go to this malnutrition crisis. Because first of all, it turned out I had to fly back to just because I was near geographically didn't mean I could actually get there without going back to Europe and then flying. So, you know, it cost CNN a lot of money, but I like CNN. But I like doing stuff new. I love working 60 minutes. I love the quality of the broadcast. I did a daytime show for a while that was difficult and it was a learning experience”

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  2. “Right. And I love that. Can't get that. Yeah, I once called, I was on a vacation in Rwanda, and I saw on television about a malnutrition crisis in Niger, and I called up, and I had a bunch of friends with me in Rwanda to go see mountain gorillas. And my friends had never been to Africa before. And I convinced all these people to come. And it was like two days in the vacation. It was like a week-long vacation. And I saw this report on a malnutrition crisis in Niger. And I called up my executive producer, Charlie Moore, and I said, we should go do this like now. I'm nearby. And he was like, okay. And I went down to my friends and I said, I'm leaving. You know, you'll be fine here. It's no big deal. And I left. Did you ever wonder, Anderson?”

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  3. “Anything I would do would try to add something on like you do 60 minutes. 60 minutes. Right. Because I genuinely believe in the mission of CNN. Again, I don't want to sound like a company guy, but I like going to the front lines of places and I like that they want me to break.”

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  4. “Be wise to evade it anyway. But to me, if I can, first of all, I don't see leaving CNN. So if you did something, it might be an ass.”

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  5. “A resignation. And then I'm not eager to see that You know, your name has Kelly Rippa. I've heard that. Opening Well, I don't know. I mean, I've never had like a five-year plan or anything. I mean, it's going to sound like I'm evading the question, but to me.”

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  6. “Hillary Clinton or Donald Trump. I think it's weird. I think it's inappropriate. I mean, I just think it's, I think it doesn't help me to know them on a personal level. I don't want to be friends with any of these people, not because I have anything against any of them, but I just, it's just not my job. My job is not to be ask them questions. And it's easier for me to ask. Tougher questions, or be tough to somebody in a debate if I know if I don't know they have a sick child at home or they lost their dad when they were a kid or I mean it just I don't like to chat with people. I'm about to do an interview too much because I don't want to particularly if it's going to be a contentious interview, because it just doesn't come naturally to me.”

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  7. “Yeah, it's just draining. And so it's not natural. I mean, I'm not, as you said early on, I'm not a natural Like television extrovert. I mean, it's a strange thing that I have this job because for me, this wasn't the plan. I mean, I didn't have a plan, but it's just weird that I'm in this position. I mean, I love it. I'm thankful. I'm incredibly blessed. But it's not, I didn't, I wasn't born thinking I got to be on TV every single day because I love, I don't watch myself on TV. I think about myself on TV. I pretend I'm not on TV and I'm much happier that way. So going to a social function like.”

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  8. “The people that you cover, is that a conscious thing? Yeah, I don't want to. I mean, first of all, I don't socialize really with anyone because I just. I'm just to me, it's sort of, I'm an introvert, and so it's painful, I mean, not painful, but it's a big expenditure of energy for me to go to a dinner party because I am very focused on reading cues and like, is the conversation lagging? Is this person having a bad time? Have they had a bad day? That's what I spend my time thinking about. And I end up, I want to sort of It's just it's too exhaust, I mean not exhausting because, you know, coal mining is exhausting, but it just...”

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  9. “His antenna, I think, to me what's interesting about talking to him is you can see the antenna work. His antenna are finally tuned, not only to his audience, to kind of a zeitgeist, but he reads cues, unspoken cues, and spoken cues really like in the Chris Matthews interview. I mean, I've watched that now a couple of times where he got Donald Trump and Sydney abortion right. Had Chris Matthews said to Donald Trump,”

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  10. “I'm sure. I'm sure it is. And for someone who's been in the public eye that long, look, I get that. I mean, it's not an easy thing, particularly if it doesn't come naturally to you. And if you've been in this kind of very difficult arena, but I do think part of that problem is in the responses sometimes do seem inauthentic or they just seem like I've heard this before. And, you know, I like to read everything a person has said within, you know, certainly the last month of doing an interview with them, ideally longer than that. And if you do that, then you know for a fact when you're talking to them like, okay, she said this to Andre Mitchell four days ago, or this is what she said. She said this. Oh, I remember this phrase. She said this to Rachel Maddel Maddow six weeks ago because I've just read all the transcripts. And so Donald Trump does say stuff that is clearly, he answers questions for better and worse. Yes. He answers questions he clearly shouldn't. And he's also highly...”

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  11. “Well, I come back to the term authenticity, which is kind of an overused term in politics, but certainly in the world of television. And I do think there is a practiced quality to Hillary Clinton in what she says often. And I think it's the times when she has broken through that. And look, it's not an easy thing to do for some people. And from everybody who knows her, and I don't know her personally, I've never seen her other than any time I've been sitting across from her or on a stage with her is, you know, that is her go-to response. Her go-to response is to be a policy wonk and to kind of go with facts and figures. The times she's been able to go.”

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  12. “Yeah, yes. I mean, I think there's nothing worse than somebody who's not honest. And there's nothing in the political sphere and in any realm. And I think that audiences are so smart, and especially today more than ever before, more than any other generation. And there's something about television. You're transmitting yourself through a little piece of glass. And it is a lie detect. It detects truth. And people know sitting at home, that guy's avoiding the question. That guy's not answering the question. That person, that woman is not answering the question. That person is, you know, saying something that they've, I mean, people know. And I think it's, I certainly have those thoughts all the time during interviews.”

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  13. “You saw him. Absolutely, right. There's all those things, but he does answer. And the first time I saw him talk after he had announced, I remember saying, I think we had, I remember being impressed and saying he does not sound like any other politician. And I get some of that. I get that appeal. I get that appeal of like he's, you know, we did a town hall, I don't know. I can't even remember where it was a couple weeks ago. And Ted Cruz had been on first. And then Donald Trump came out and it's like, you know, I listened to what Ted Cruz was saying. And God, what about those five second pauses? I mean, that's just so phony. I mean, you know, probably a lot of people listening to Ted Cruz had that exact same thought. There's very few politicians who would come forward and just say that right off the bat. Do you have that thought?”

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  14. “He is good TV, yeah, without a doubt. But, you know, a lot of these people can be good TV. They just don't want to subject themselves. I mean, Jeb Bush, I never talked to him until we did a town hall, and that was the first and last time. I think it was right before he left the race. And so I don't know. But in terms of an interview, Donald Trump was fascinated because he actually does answer questions. Now, what you can quibble with how he answers the question, what his base of knowledge is, you know, the details, or whether what he said.”

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  15. “He's there. You know, Hillary Clinton, Ted Cruz, you know, we would put out a lot of requests all the time and rarely, you know, it's only recently that I've started to interview Hillary Clinton a little bit and that I think she's starting to, you know, I think she called in to a show on CNN a couple weeks ago. I think I interviewed her on a call in. I mean, that was the first time I'd seen her do that. And I think especially now that she's going up against Donald Trump, I think she's going to have to start doing that because, you know, it's not that all we want to do is put Donald Trump on. I would like to have had Ted Cruz on a lot. I would like to have had.”

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  16. “Well, I mean, the challenges are, I mean, he's a fascinating person to interview because, first of all, he's willing to sit down for an interview. I mean, getting Hillary Clinton has been very difficult for me. That's been one of the one.”

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  17. “Clinton, not as much. It's interesting. I interviewed him a bunch early on, and we had some pretty sort of contentious back and forth interviews. And then I didn't interview him for a long time, and I don't know if that was conscious on his part. I don't know, I'm not sure if I'd fallen, you know, if I'd crossed some threshold that he didn't like. And then it seemed to come back and we've done a lot subsequently. And look, I don't believe in, I take seriously anybody who has thrown their hat in the ring and is going through The crucible of this. I mean, this is what”

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  18. “Yeah, and if you're going to confront somebody at a debate with facts, you better have the facts either written out in front of you or in your head. And it's a, you know, I mean, that was shocking to me.”

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  19. “But I think the important thing is to not, I mean, again, in that debate in particular, it's more important than ever. And I think usually the people they pick for those are do a really good job of stepping back from it. And, you know, look, I remember that, what was the CNBC debate and the Republican debate? I just thought that was a disaster on so many levels, but just a disaster producing of the whole thing. Come off looking a certain way, and then to not have the information at their fingertips, and then to not have somebody in their ear who can at least help them bail themselves out when they've”

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  20. “I'm not interested in, yeah, I don't really, I'm not concerned about coming off as, I don't need to be the smart person in the room. I'm happy to accept that there's a lot smarter people in the room. And my job, I mean, I view my job is to facilitate, I mean, whether it's on election night is to facilitate a conversation and just to step back. I don't need to make salient points because frankly, what I don't, I'm not all that I don't think what I have to say is particularly interesting compared to what you have to say on a given topic. But during a debate, yeah, I think if the story the next day is about the moderator, then I think that's not a good sign. I don't want to be the story in a debate. I want the candidates to be the story. I want to facilitate a really interesting, sharp, whether it's confrontation or just discussion of ideas, whatever it may be. But I don't want to be.”

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  21. “It's unlike it's incredible because, I mean, it's charging a completely different, obviously, way than combat, but it is, it's, I mean, I've talked about his three-dimensional chest or like a civil knife fight, like a polite, you know, because it's all these people who are, you know, alpha, I mean, I guess the term is, you know, I mean, there are obviously, yeah, they're highly, highly charged people, you know, highly motivated, top of their class. People's spent years doing this, and they've got a lot of information. And so it's this fascinating fight that's going on that's not a physical fight”

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  22. “I've come to actually, I do enjoy learning new stuff every day. And so if every night I can learn something new and I can have conversations with really smart people, I mean on election nights when we're on for nine hours, you know, sometimes we're repeating ourselves because people haven't been watching consistently for the course of those nine hours. But to listen to you talk about your experiences and your perception of what's happening now I find really interesting. As long as there's things I can sort of, I want to learn something new every day. And as long as I can do that, then I'm happy.”

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  23. “There are times, yes. There's plenty of times. You know, I mean, there's nights where it will go by and then the next day I can barely remember what I was reporting on. And that's just with the sheer volume of work that we all do in television, that's pretty natural, I think. But it's...”

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  24. “Yeah, and if that's all you see, then it changes, you know, it's hard to have a blend back in. It's hard to have a life. And so I realized just from my own sanity and happiness, I needed to do a variety of stuff and anchoring allowed you, you know, gave you power within a company to sort of make your own choices about where you wanted to be and what stories you wanted to report on. And so there are times when being in a studio is almost as interesting as being out in the field, when there's times when you have the teleprompter is blank and something has just occurred and you're on for eight hours and it's nothing but the few bits of information that are coming in from different sources and you wouldn't have to speak about something for eight hours.”

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  25. “To make a life of just doing that, A, it leads to, you know, it often doesn't end well for you, not just the physical danger, but just emotionally and mentally.”

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  26. “It's life and death, and it's the molecules of the error charged in a way. You know, I mean, it's the way you hear Marines or soldiers speak about combat of feeling. Regular life seems dull by comparison. And I'm not in any way comparing myself to experiences that they have had because I am able to come and go. You definitely feel more alive than you do here. And, you know, when I was doing nothing but that, when I was spending the first three years, I was basically overseas. I would come back for short amounts of time and I would go back. It became harder and harder to come back because it was like you don't speak the same language as people here. But I also realized at a certain point.”

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  27. “Do you get restless? Are you like your mother? Do you feel like you need to move? No, absolutely. Yeah. I mean, I'm always looking in the paper at like the small little articles like, oh, there was a bomb blast in Kabul today. Those are the things that, or, you know, what's happening in Burma right now, those are the stories which are the first things that draw my attention every day. And yeah, it's interesting to use the term alive. I feel more alive out in the field because it's impossible not to and because I do think I'm pretty, I keep my emotions pretty guarded. And so it takes a lot to kind of overwhelm my natural reticence, my natural sort of shyness. And there's nothing more overwhelming than being in a place where you're reporting on something that's not something that occurred a week ago or yet the day before, but is something which is occurring all around you.”

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  28. “It was a great deal for them and for me. I mean, it was incredible, and I ended up doing that for the next two and a half years, and then ABC News hired me.”

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  29. “I had worked briefly for about six months as a fact checker, this thing called Channel One news, which was a show started by this guy, Chris Whittle, and was seen in classrooms around the country. They gave a free TV for every classroom, a satellite dish, and they would send them this program for free. It was a 12-minute daily newscast, and I had two minutes of commercials, which paid for the whole thing and made the whittle, I guess, a lot of money. Because it was about half the kids in America watched it. And so it was the first time Channel 1 had ever done actual field reporting. Before that, it had been sort of people in her studio just kind of, you know.”

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  30. “Yes, it was pretty simple. And I ended up, I mean, I didn't know what to do, but I was like, well, I guess I should go to a hospital because that's probably where people, you know, people can make it to a hospital. I went to a hospital. I ended up in the surgical theater with a team of American doctors and EMTs who were amputating legs and without any little electricity and I shot a story about them and then I wandered down to some burial grounds and found a family whose son died while he was there and they buried him and you know that's where”

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  31. “Yeah, but nobody checks. I mean, it got me on a flight, like a relief flight, like on a C-130. It allowed me a seat. And they were dropping off food. And then I just got off. And then some kids with automatic weapons approached me at the airfield. And I hired them because they had a vehicle. And they gave me an offer I couldn't refuse, which was my sense was I had to hire them or I was worried they would shoot me.”

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  32. “Town, there were probably about a thousand people dying in Somalia every day at that time. And there was just no, you know, I arrived, I got there, I had a backpack of full of videotape and batteries and some cashew nuts. And I think I only spent...”

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  33. “Yeah, I wasn't too afraid initially because I really didn't know what I was getting myself into. I didn't know how much I didn't know. So I snuck into Burma. I hooked up some students fighting the Burmese government. And that was interesting. It wasn't such an act of combat zone that it was terrifying. It was more kind of interesting. And I shot a story. And as soon as I shot that story, I knew this is amazing. I mean, I get to ask people questions and I'm in this really interesting locale. And this is life and death. I mean, this is not a story. This is really happening. And then I ended up in Somalia in 92 in August, I think it was, in a town called Baidoa. And it was the early days of the famine there, but it was before the US really got involved and before that whole operation turned into Blackhawk Down and all that. That was incredible. That was just in this town by Doe. There are about 100 people dying every day in the town.”

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  34. “Borrowed a camera, and I just decided okay, I'll just start going to wars. And maybe I'll have less competition if I go to really dangerous places and go to sort of countries that aren't necessarily in the headlines. And we'll see what happens.”

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  35. “This does make any sense for me for a variety of reasons, but one of which was I was gay and couldn't be gay. And so I thought, okay, well, all the stuff that I'm interested in, you know, insurgencies and combat and international relations and television, you know, literally I made a list. It wasn't even my senior year because my brother had died right before my senior year. So when I graduated, I hadn't applied to any jobs. And I took a year off and I traveled around Southeast Asia by myself with a partner of mine. And so then I was at loose ends and I made a list of all the things I wanted from a job and wanted from a life. And one of them was not to be a cubicle at when I was sixty in a gray suit. And being a war correspondent kind of fit the bill. So I couldn't get an entry-level job at ABC or CBS, which I applied to. So I had a friend make a fake press pass for me and I had to go.”

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  36. “Yes, I did. I was very organized. And so I'd watched a lot of TV news and I was always really particularly interested in combat reporting. I remember looking at old like Bob Simon reports and Walter Cronkite, of course, and I was a big CBS news guy. And so that was always in the back of my mind. I was really interested in military history and insurgencies in particular as I got older and the Vietnam War I found really interesting and the experiences of Vietnam War correspondence. I read a lot. So when I was in college, I did an internship at the CIA. And I realized that's not...”

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  37. “Well, I was interested in, I'd grown up watching a lot of TV news. I mean, I grew up watching TV. I made a schedule in fourth grade that I found a couple years ago of my TV watching from the moment I got home to the moment I went to sleep. And it was extensive. Starting with McGill, Gorilla, then the 430 movie and then news. But we used to watch 60 minutes.”

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  38. “This is what you were doing. And I was probably the only kid in the audience, and I was brought by a gay couple whose friends my mom. My mom, my parent didn't even accompany me to the thing. She was like, oh yeah, of course. You should go see Bent. Yeah, sure.”

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  39. “Right. There were gay people everywhere. I mean, all over our house. And it was very normal for me growing up to, I mean, a friend of my mom's took me to go see. He's actually a great photographer, took me to go see Richard Gere in Bent on Broadway when I was probably 11 or 12. And Bent is a play about gay people during the Nazi Germany and a gay couple in a concentration camp. In the first scene, there's a naked guy on stage. And I recently saw a new production of it in LA. And I was stunned that I saw this when I was 11 years old. It's not the kind of thing. I was probably the only one.”

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  40. “As apparent, yeah. Yeah, yeah Which I never, I don't actually even remember her saying that, but when I told her that I was gay in college, she felt terrible because she remembered saying that at some point. And the moment the thing I had actually remembered her saying when I was around 11 was about a friend of hers named Jose Quintero, who's a famous Broadway theater director, did a lot of Eugene O'Neill plays. He and his partner Nick were coming over for dinner, as they often did. And I remember asking her, well, like, why are you seating them like you're seating them? And she said, well, they're like a married couple. They're a married couple. Which, you know, in 1979, most of America didn't view a gay couple as a married couple. But my mom did. And that always stuck in my mind. So I knew even then, because I knew I was gay that certainly, you know, by 11, I probably knew when I was six or seven, I knew that she would be okay with it ultimately.”

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  41. “Yeah, it was. Yeah. I mean, there's not much, you know. Thankfully, there are child labor laws. There's not much else you can do. And then I started taking survival courses in the wilderness because I was like, okay, I need to toughen up. I need to figure out. I wouldn't need to know how to survive literally. And so I would, there's a group called the National Outdoor Leadership School, much like Howard Bound. And I would.”

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  42. “13 or 14 No, I mean, I was nothing if not determined. Every day after school, I would call the, I worked for a Ford Model Agency, I would call up the agency, get told where auditions to go on. I would go after school by myself to an audition, and I would book jobs. And I did a lot of work for Calvin Klein and Ralph Lauren, actually. I used to literally be a fittings model for Ralph Lauren, and he and his brother would sit there and put the clothes on me and measure them and cut them and stuff.”

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  43. “Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I didn't really know my mom. I mean, she was this distant sort of figure, much like her mother had been to her. I mean, not to the same extent because my mom was working and was there and was present. But I didn't really know her. My dad was much more the parent. And so with that gone, there's a writer named Mary Gordon, who my mom quotes in the book, and she wrote, and she was writing about girls, but I think it's true about boys as well. A fatherless girl thinks all things possible, nothing safe. And I think that's really true, at least it certainly was for me. Nothing ever felt safe after that. So I realized I need to sort of try to create my own safety. And so, yeah, I got a job as a child model because there's not much 11-year-olds can do to actually bring in real money. And I was making $75 an hour. I would call up every day. Pretty good money. Yeah.”

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  44. “Like a course of study. So from the time my dad died, I set about a course of study on survival. And I started, for me, the first thing was I got to get a job. I got to start earning money because this ship is sinking and I want to remain afloat and I want to be able to provide for my family if you think you're saying.”

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  45. “Yeah, I did. And I think it's the difference between my brother and I. I mean, that was one of the things that was important to me, particularly in the wake of his death, was literally writing down the differences between us. Like, why am I going to survive when he didn't? Because I became kind of really fast, not fascinated, but concerned about that and interested in that whole notion of, well, how can two people who grew up in the same household and the same with all the same forces at work one survive and one not survive and the other survive? And so I realized that he and I were different in that I have always not only have I had this drive, the same drive that my mom has from as long as I can remember, but I also have a sort of an organizational ability and a, it's not just an unfocused drive, I'm very determined. And so I set about”

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  46. “It's very common, I think, for people, for a particular type of person. And I mean, I realized for me it was a wake-up call, my brother's death, because I realized he and I very much like that. I don't share with anybody. And, you know, I realized I have to this strategy that we have both been using, this is not a winning strategy. And I need to refigure and kind of reconfigure how I deal with stuff. And I think it's. And did you?”

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  47. “I remember I read your book and there was a time when he sort of intimated he was having financial pressure. That was really the first time.”

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  48. “Lives, and then we would sort of, you know, I would be uncle to his children and things like that. And so I'm left wondering how close were we really?”

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  49. “Have a sense of why, or you don't know, it makes you question, well, were we really close? I think I always imagined that we weren't close in that when you didn't really discuss things and share things. You know, there were one or two times. I remember my brother bringing up, we write about this in the book. My mom drank a lot when I was growing up. And it was a huge issue for me and for my brother. And it was never discussed in my house. My brother actually brought it up to me once when we were in high school. And it was so shocking to me that I couldn't even talk about it. I couldn't even acknowledge, I couldn't have a conversation with him about it. So I realized we weren't that close in terms of discussing things. But I sort of always imagined that we would become close one day when we were adults and kind of beyond, you know, the childhood concerns and we'd made lives for ourselves and kind of establish a beachhead in our own.”

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  50. “I would have before he died, I would have said, yeah, we were close. But when somebody kills himself and you don't really”

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