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Andrew Vachss

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  1. No, you say you can't heal until you can forgive. I say you can't forgive until you're done with the anger and hate, but you have to feel it to be done with it.

    2022-02-22 · The Oprah Winfrey Show: The Podcast · Conversations With Oprah: Andrew Vachss · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source

  2. No, I don't think you have to keep it But you have to be there and feel it. Otherwise, the truth is, you can't forgive Edith.

    2022-02-22 · The Oprah Winfrey Show: The Podcast · Conversations With Oprah: Andrew Vachss · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source

  3. Okay. And then I suspect that once you do it. Changes the weights that you're carrying Because you know it's a lie not to be angry and not to hate what was done to you. You know that's a lie.

    2022-02-22 · The Oprah Winfrey Show: The Podcast · Conversations With Oprah: Andrew Vachss · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source

  4. I don't say just for news as long as it lasts I mean, just let your hands go. B, allow yourself to feel that. I'm not talking about allow yourself to feel mystical feelings. Or hold a crystal or in, just put another person in the position you were in and feel what you'd feel for them, then you're done. And you're done, but you not let yourself do that.

    2022-02-22 · The Oprah Winfrey Show: The Podcast · Conversations With Oprah: Andrew Vachss · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source

  5. To keep it with you. You don't need to carry that baggage anymore when you're carrying the other baggage, but you need to feel it.

    2022-02-22 · The Oprah Winfrey Show: The Podcast · Conversations With Oprah: Andrew Vachss · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source

  6. Upsets me about you is that there's 30 or 40 or 50 million people who watch your show. You're almost an icon for pulling yourself out of whatever and becoming a success. Everybody wants to be like Oprah. And I don't care if they want to look like you or dress like you or drive the same car you drive. But if what they're trying for is forgiveness, it gets in the way of the war that we're engaged in.

    2022-02-22 · The Oprah Winfrey Show: The Podcast · Conversations With Oprah: Andrew Vachss · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source

  7. Behavior, you hate It's very easy to separate and say, oh, I hate to sin, but you love the sinner? That's for somebody who gets drunk or has an affair or punches a guy in the mouth in a bar. It's not for somebody who violates and betrays the sacred trust of a child to an adult. It's not someone who abuses power that way for their own sexual gratification. They're not in that category for me.

    2022-02-22 · The Oprah Winfrey Show: The Podcast · Conversations With Oprah: Andrew Vachss · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source

  8. So you were saying that you were less than them. They have diminished you in some way, that they have no right to do, and for that they deserve your answer.

    2022-02-22 · The Oprah Winfrey Show: The Podcast · Conversations With Oprah: Andrew Vachss · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source

  9. But I do think that as long as you are stuck. And I say you're stuck. The reason you're stuck is you would not tolerate what happened to you.

    2022-02-22 · The Oprah Winfrey Show: The Podcast · Conversations With Oprah: Andrew Vachss · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source

  10. I don't say you need to do any of that. I don't think you should professionalize being a victim. I don't think that should become your credential or your calling card or your reason to exist I don't think you should only deal with other people who've been child abuse victims like it's some sort of strange club.

    2022-02-22 · The Oprah Winfrey Show: The Podcast · Conversations With Oprah: Andrew Vachss · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source

  11. Well, we're going to disagree, right? I think that you forgive somebody who made a mistake. You don't forgive somebody who attacked you very, very different things. Look, this is what it takes for me. If you're ever going to reach the so-called forgiveness plateau. I'm sorry. It wasn't your fault. It was all my fault. I will never do it again. I will make it up to you. You haven't heard that

    2022-02-22 · The Oprah Winfrey Show: The Podcast · Conversations With Oprah: Andrew Vachss · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source

  12. You cook for your father and don't tell your mother you don't want to disrupt the apple cart, you don't want to upset the other siblings, you want to maintain that illusion family. What's

    2022-02-22 · The Oprah Winfrey Show: The Podcast · Conversations With Oprah: Andrew Vachss · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source

  13. What makes you special negatively? In other words, if I tell you, as I have told you. Stories of little children who've been tortured, you want to kill the people who did it. When I talk about incest victims, you want them in jail for the rest of their natural lives. So how come the people who do things to you get some special dispensation because you've succeeded?

    2022-02-22 · The Oprah Winfrey Show: The Podcast · Conversations With Oprah: Andrew Vachss · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source

  14. I think it is the work that you carry. I think that if you look at yourself and people say, oh, you're successful. Then the idea is that it didn't hurt you. Don't buy that And I think it is a weight that you carry, and the only way to put it down is to be angry first

    2022-02-22 · The Oprah Winfrey Show: The Podcast · Conversations With Oprah: Andrew Vachss · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source

  15. There are people who do that. One of the biggest myths about this business is that every abused child ends up a prostitute or a dopie or a convict. That's just a myth. Abuses this implosion in your life, and you can go in a variety of different directions. Some of the most caring, healing, protective people I know were horribly abused as children. There's a difference between able to really dismiss it. Which I think you've not done And having that weight to carry your whole life.

    2022-02-22 · The Oprah Winfrey Show: The Podcast · Conversations With Oprah: Andrew Vachss · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source

  16. If that's what you mean by forgiveness, I don't think that translates. I think that the 40, 50 million people who listen to you every day don't hear. I want to dismiss this from my life. I want to get on with my life. I think what they hear is forgive. And many of the so-called therapeutic programs to which I'm violently opposed Make that sort of a condition.

    2022-02-22 · The Oprah Winfrey Show: The Podcast · Conversations With Oprah: Andrew Vachss · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source

  17. I think so. That's the impression I get listening to you that you talk about it and you say you can't heal. Until you can forgive So, your quest is to achieve forgiveness

    2022-02-22 · The Oprah Winfrey Show: The Podcast · Conversations With Oprah: Andrew Vachss · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source

  18. Yeah, I mean, since that day, I've seen things that make that look fairly light. When that day, I thought I was looking at the devil himself. I thought it was the worst thing a human being could do, especially to your own Since then, I've been educated otherwise.

    2022-02-22 · The Oprah Winfrey Show: The Podcast · Conversations With Oprah: Andrew Vachss · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source

  19. National show, but who is physically damaged as a result of rape and a sodomy and was literally dripping gonorrhea. I thought up to then, you know, that I'd been really a tough kid, you know, that I really knew how things were Never imagined people had sex with babies. Not babies, babies. But that isn't what did it for me. What did it to me was talking to the people involved. Human being involves. I can't call him a man person. Position was that he'd hurt himself because the way they discovered this was he didn't use Vaseline when he raped the kid, he tore himself, he went to the emergency room. A doctor. God bless him. Said, wait a minute, you must have gotten it somehow, and they discovered the baby. And his only feeling was his own pain. As far as the

    2022-02-22 · The Oprah Winfrey Show: The Podcast · Conversations With Oprah: Andrew Vachss · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source

  20. My first job, my first real, real job was as an investigator for the U.S. Public Health Service in the sexually transmitted diseases. And I did on that job, what you do on your show, which is interview people. And the idea was to get them to disclose this sexual context and then find those contacts. The idea was that syphilis is a chain. Work fast enough, you could snap it in various places and eventually eradicate. Well, clearly, we didn't succeed in doing that. I was working whorehouses, I was working gambling dens, juke joints like that, and I thought I was really working rough, you know, about as hard as it got. One of the chains ended in a little baby, a baby, like this big, who's, I'm always restricted about what I can say on...

    2022-02-22 · The Oprah Winfrey Show: The Podcast · Conversations With Oprah: Andrew Vachss · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source