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1. “retrofitting homes and insulating and on industrial developments and technology, all of which of course have a role to play but what the feminist Green New Deal does is it places care at the heart of a green economy and this is really fascinating what has care got to do with the climate crisis well in COVID through the experience of the pandemic we saw how critical care is and how neglected it is but the women's budget group did a fascinating piece of research where they showed that if you compared each pound spent on care jobs you know whether that's nursing or informal care in the home and paying it properly and a one pound pay invested in physical infrastructure that pound for care produced almost three times as much work so it was best”

   2021-11-05 · Intelligence Squared · COP26: How Women Can Save the Planet, with Anne Karpf · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source

2. “Well, I mean, again, a good question. And I fear that it's been fetishized because media love events rather than processes. And this is just one event, and we know that, you know, a rabbit, a climate rabbit is not going to be pulled out of a hat. That is very, very unlikely. I'm going because I'm chairing. I'm really excited. I'm chairing an event co organised by the women's budget group and the women's environmental network to discuss and launch the idea of a feminist Green New Deal. And the reason this is important is all this talk about build back better and politicians who love being seen in hard hats and high vis jackets, and they're always focusing on physical infrastructure and”

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3. “These groups need to be centre stage, and at the moment they are not. So this is where we need to expend a lot of our energies, not me trying to wonder how I can avoid buying a polyester dress, but saying where are the women, where are the women of colour, where are the people with disabilities and the women with disabilities? We need to hear their voices. And, you know, when those voices are prominent, the good decision follows totally.”

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4. “Exactly. And, you know, when we say sixteen percent women, you can be sure that majority of them are white women. And then when you start to add in, because this is an intersectional debate here, when you add in, for example, people and women with disabilities. I mean, I feel very strongly about disability. I've been writing about it for thirty years. And the marginalization of people with disabilities from this debate where they should be foremost because they have all kinds of experience of, you know, what to do in a crisis, how to get out and the difficulties of doing so if they have physical mobility problems, you know, or LGBTQ people who are very often in certain cultures blamed for the climate crisis and find themselves in emergency shelters where they are extremely vulnerable to homophobic attacks.”

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5. “The UK originally had not a single woman in the senior management negotiating team. Then there were protests and there's a pressure group that started up called hashtag she changes climate. They put pressure and then a few were added. But at the moment the British COP negotiating team, there are only sixteen percent of them are women. And, you know, this is”

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6. “In negotiations they are more likely to go the way of making good climate decisions, and we see in countries like Finland and Denmark that have female prime ministers, they immediately are starting to tackle through the legislative process what can be done for the climate crisis. So it is absolutely essential to have women at the top table. And what do we see at the cops the involvement of women has actually decreased over the last years? There are fewer women, so the UNFCCC, the United Nations Framework Climate Change Convention has multiple committees. Honestly, it's acronym Hell you go into there. They're all abbreviations, but there are many, many committees, and on almost every one there are only about But a third or a fifth of female members. If you look at the negotiating teams for COP”

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7. “are in some sense earth mothers and have some intrinsic innate connection with the land. I think that's a bit of bunkum, I have to say. The reality is that when climate induced disaster strikes, who is it that has to pick up the pieces and rebuild the home and the whole infrastructure of the home and daily domestic life, it's women. So women have, we know this from multiple studies, women have a much keener grasp of the risks from the climate crisis than men. And if you look at who the climate deniers are on the whole, they're rich white older men. I have to say I live with one and he is very, very far from being a climate denier. But on the whole, that is who the deniers are. So when you get women”

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8. “They're not. And, you know, what is generally understood now, I think, are being accepted increasingly is that the climate crisis is a multiplier. So it multiplies inequality, it multiplies the ill effects we have from the social systems we've got. So we know that in most cultures women don't have equal power, equal political power. Now, very interesting research from a number of different studies now has shown that where women have higher political status, where they are more involved in government, in negotiations, those countries are more likely to ratify good environmental treaties. So this is a very interesting phenomenon. Why is it? Of course, as you would imagine, I reject the idea this is because women”

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9. “were given water irrigation rights and then land and their social status has risen enormously. So through that project, because it's not just a technological fix, it's also designed to challenge gender inequality. You have changed those women's not just their social status but also their political and economic status. Now people are coming to them for advice and you've done something for the environment and this is the kind of project multiplied at scale that we are seeing that has enormous potential around the world.”

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10. “Not connecting these two, so it's a technological system but a very easily used one, and they trained a group of dullit women, the lowest caste, the poorest women, the women who had the least social and economic power to install and manage these water systems. And these women have through this system, have first of all brought back a lot of land into agriculture, land that would not have been, you wouldn't have been able to grow food on otherwise. And their social status has risen enormously as a result, and also because women are hugely involved in agriculture around the world, but particularly in India, but in India own only four percent of the land, as a result of their involvement in the Bungaru, these women”

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11. “Well, that's totally right, and this was a comment made when there was the Gilet Jun protests in France against the raising of fuel duty on cars, and some of the protesters said to Emmanuel Macron, the French president, they said, You are thinking about the end of the planet. We're thinking about the end of the week. So I totally get that. But let me give you an example from India, Regini, from Gujarat, where they suffer both flooding in some seasons and then drought in other seasons. And they have designed a group of people who have designed something called the Bungaroo, which is a water management system that stores water when there are floods, and then it's available for the drought because people were not”

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12. “that have a base financial base in the Cayman Islands so they don't even pay any tax, and they are producing industrial food which is totally unhealthy, has high emissions and is producing private profits, and repurposing those food procurement decisions to local organic food. Now this is something that is happening all over the UK in local communities and is producing healthier, tastier food and challenging the existing economic order at the same time.”

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13. “budget group a marvellous group of feminist economists had organized this event and it was about community initiatives. In the UK to tackle the climate crisis and it really showed how really in your own location you can start to make changes, not individual changes because I can't tell you how much of my life I have lost trying to avoid buying a polyester dress, for example. You know, hours of my life that I will never get back. That isn't the way to do it, but some of these initiatives are about taking local community wealth building organizations and that can be a university, a hospital. Looking at where their food comes from and often it comes from large polluting companies.”

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14. “Well, you know, there's a lot of truth in that argument, but I mean, there was an interesting study done by someone in Delhi that showed that the 10% of richest Indians emit less than the twenty percent poorest of Americans. That's fascinating. You cannot see it in absolute terms. You have to see it in relative terms. And you have to start from where people are at at the moment. Now, of course, what is required is a transformation on a scale so enormous that it's very hard to get one's head around. But I think we can be defeated in our imagination by the scale of the transformation required, but we have to remember that these transformations happen at many different levels. And I chaired an event in London recently that was totally fascinating.”

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15. “So lots of people who were doing that and say Oh my goodness I'm polluting so much and you know the whole idea of the individual carbon footprint an American researcher Mark Kaufman discovered this was a campaign an advertising campaign dreamt up by Ogilvy and Maver, a major advertising company who were employed by British petroleum to refocus attention on individuals' carbon emissions and away from BP's carbon emissions”

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16. “mystifying and deliberately misleading term, and I think we have got evidence at the moment of the steps that the major polluters and the extractive industries will go to emit along with their carbon emissions and the greenhouse gases to emit misinformation. I mean, Congress in the US has got hearings at the moment in which Exxon and the other leading polluters are having to account for their actions because there was an investigation that showed they know how much they've been emitting. They know they're to blame. And it's misinformation. And the one that particularly interests me is in two thousand four there was this whole thing suddenly arrived about your carbon footprint. Calculate your carbon footprint.”

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17. “side of it is whenever you'd have a discussion about this people always invariably chip in and say what about China you know China's one of the main polluters and you have to say where are those plastic goods made in China ending up because if I look around my household I'm afraid to say a lot of them are here but do they count us our carbon emissions? No they're China's so this idea that you know we have been decarbonizing very fast in the UK really doesn't stand up to scrutiny and when you see what's omitted from that you know aviation emissions and all the rest of it you know it's an accounting sleight of hand so you know this idea that we all have to do this we've all got to play our part you know is I call this the climate we and it's a really”

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18. “That is exactly what I was going to say. So we have, for example, you know, buy a new computer, a new mobile, you discard it. Oh no, you recycle it. So you feel very virtuous. What happens to it? It ends up in the global south. And, you know, there's a very interesting group called the Basel action network. And they put GPSs into a number of electrical goods that were sent for recycling. And they tracked them. It's like reading a thriller to see what happened to them. And a lot of them, of course, are just abandoned or burnt in the global south. And goodness knows what chemicals are emitted and toxifying the air there. And we feel virtuous because we don't see the end result. But by the other”

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19. “Well, I think what's very important is to have a global perspective. There are multiplicity of green new deals. I mean, everybody around the world seems to have latched on to this idea, you know, taking Roosevelt's New Deal and repurposing it with a green aspect. But some of them, they simply export the problems elsewhere. We know, for example, that this country goes around boasting, the UK goes around boasting fast its reduced carbon emissions. But we know that it's just shoved them to other countries.”

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20. “And I thought that was spot on. So those women that you are talking to are absolutely entitled, and the idea that there should be, you know, we're all in it together and there should be one policy of, you know, zero emissions by 2030 is absolutely untenable. We have to reduce our emissions.”

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21. “This is a fantastic question, Reginie, and a really, really important one, because from the perspective of those women, what it looks like, and this is a very accurate perspective, is the global north has polluted their way to a great deal of wealth, and, you know, this country, the UK that I'm speaking from, you know, keeps pleading poverty. It's one of the, I think, six rich, it's the sixth richest country in the world. We have polluted our way to luxury, totally unequally distributed, I should say, because there's a huge gap, a huge inequality between those at the top and those at the bottom. But nevertheless, as a whole, the country is”

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22. “And there was even a suggestion that veggie burgers or vegetarian patties should have artificial grill marks attached so they would make it look more like me to attract men.”

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23. “down to individual choice and individual bad behaviour. But there is no doubt that some of it is to do with choices even those may be culturally shaped, so for example there's very interesting research that shows that men, and again I have to qualify it by saying not all men, but men who adhere to who cleave to a very traditional view of masculinity fear being sort of polluted by anything that seems green because it's become so associated with women and femininity. And so this one study found that for men for some men even taking a bag with them like a cotton bag to go shopping felt demasculizing in some way.”

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24. “We know from quite a number of studies by now that consumption and carbon emissions are gendered. There was a recent Swedish study, but it just added to previous studies that show, for example, that women consume less meat than men. Women own and drive fewer cars and motorised vehicles than men. Now, I have to qualify this because not all of these are matters of choice. If you have a job and public transport has been cut, which we know certainly in the UK is the case, but is the case in many parts of the world, you may have no other option but to drive to work much as you would like you would prefer another means of getting there. So we should not make the mistake of thinking this is all”

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25. “Yes, I mean I'm I'm a little hesitant to step into this minefield for one reason and one reason alone, and that is so much stress is put on consumption, particularly women's consumption. And I did an event in London recently and there was a very interesting Palestinian woman there and she said to me afterwards she said, you know, I almost didn't come to this event because when I saw the title of your book I thought it was all going to be about recycling and how someone wagging their finger saying you must recycle. And this is because, and this is perhaps something we can go on to discuss, the pressure put on women, on individual women to resolve the climate crisis. But in terms of consumption,”

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26. “I mean, it is extraordinary'cause we in the global north, when people talk about pollution, we immediately have an image of a high street choked with cars belching out fumes or Blake's satanic mills, you know, factories that are unhealthy conditions. So we're thinking about public space, but in fact the majority of pollution, particularly in the global south, is indoor pollution. And exactly as Euserini, women cooking over stoves based on firewood that they've had to travel far to collect, and of course because of the climate crisis and climate-induced drought, they're having to travel further to collect that wood, and they're cooking on these open stores.”

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27. “likely to own a radio set which is another form that people are given warning, so all these factors conspire to limit women's ability to escape from climate induced disasters”

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28. “when there are tsunamis, the freedom of movement because they're having to scoop up babies and children who can't walk stay behind help elderly people. They're also responsible for food and kitchen, so they're often trying to save cooking pots and food at the same time. So their mobility is constrained not, as I say, for any physiological reasons, but because of their social roles. Then they are wearing long loose clothing in the form of saris that constrains their ability to run, for example, or to swim in many countries of the world taboos against women learning to swim, there are cultural taboos against them travelling in public places on their own, so they may not have seen warnings about climate induced disasters that are coming. They are less”

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29. “Well, through the statistics are quite clear. For example, in the nineteen ninety one Bangladesh tsunami, one hundred forty thousand people died, ninety percent of them were women, ninety percent. Now, why does this happen? We're not talking chromosomes or biology here. We're talking about gender, which is something very different. It's the social roles and identities that we are raised in. So, of course, we're not talking about all men and all women. We're talking about a particular version of masculinity and a particular version of femininity. But if you look at the evidence from South Asia from Bangladesh, Pakistan, India, and other countries, we see that first of all women are mainly responsible for child care and for care of the elderly, so this constrains them when there are floods”

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30. “Well, it is really quite shocking when you look at the statistics. Women, for example, of fourteen times more likely to die from climate induced disasters than men, fourteen times”

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31. “The streets, as young climate activists and in social media, so you've got these three prongs happening here the impact in particular on women, the distinctive impact on women, as well as the impact on everybody, the fact that women have caused it less than anyone else, and the fact that then they're excluded from the solutions. And that's really what I wanted to look at.”

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32. “COVID as well, and also they say You can't be talking about gender at a moment of such peril in the world you know this is a distraction, this is special pleading we can deal with things like that later and they're completely wrong because it turns out that women are particularly impacted by the climate crisis particularly women in the global south and in particular women of colour and not only are they particularly impacted but all the evidence shows that women have done least particularly women of colour in the global south to cause the climate crisis and then to add the third layer of insult to all of this women have been marginalized in all the debates and negotiations around it even though of course they're in full force on the”

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33. “Well, I should actually start by qualifying that title because it sounds a little like Oh yes, do the cooking, the cleaning, the washing, looking after the children, and in our spare time let's just save the planet. And that wasn't what I meant at all, and nor putting the responsibility squarely on women as, you know, women as saviours in the climate debate. That is a stance I very much reject. But I think one of the most interesting and really kind of quite neglected aspects of the climate crisis, neglected not in the research, and there's voluminous research about this, but in the kind of public debate and the international conversation, is the role of gender and gender inequality. And sometimes it's quite difficult to raise this as an issue because people say first of all we're all in it together, which they said of course about”

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