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Anne Packer

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“In our neighborhood, Starbucks cafe is a perfect place to cozy up with a book. Starting with that peppermint mocha. Go well, everybody. Thank you, Anne. Thank you so much.”
2025-11-11 · The Oprah Podcast · Ann Packer: "Some Bright Nowhere" | Oprah's Book Club · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Jenna, thank you for sharing your stories with us. Thank you. Living through that and then rising to be someone even better than you thought yourself to be, to be able to do that. I really have great admiration and highest regard for you all being able to do that, for your friends, for your relatives, for your brother and your sister. Talking about great books, y'all, is one of my favorite things in life, so thank you for sharing in that with me some bright nowhere is available wherever books are sold, a heartfelt thank you to our wonderful partner, Starbucks, for all of your support in bringing together good books, good coffee, and good people. These are good people, good thinking people.”
2025-11-11 · The Oprah Podcast · Ann Packer: "Some Bright Nowhere" | Oprah's Book Club · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“It is done Thank you so much for someone bright nowhere. Thank you. Thank you. And thank you to this audience. Thank you, Kyle. Thank you.”
2025-11-11 · The Oprah Podcast · Ann Packer: "Some Bright Nowhere" | Oprah's Book Club · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Put it away and you hit send and you send it off to your publisher. What sense of did you feel a sense of relief, a sense of gratitude, a sense of relief?”
2025-11-11 · The Oprah Podcast · Ann Packer: "Some Bright Nowhere" | Oprah's Book Club · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I just read an article about Canada has made it legal for you to euthanasia and how so many people now at the end of their lives who know they're going to die and are planning their death ceremonies are having these rituals, they're having these life celebration parties and making decisions about how they want that to happen. I know Claire would have been very happy with that. She would have been very happy with that.”
2025-11-11 · The Oprah Podcast · Ann Packer: "Some Bright Nowhere" | Oprah's Book Club · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I'm wondering if other cultures handle it differently because it seems like in our culture it's like, oh God, you can't even say that you're going to die when every time I say that, somebody's, you know, particularly the girls are like, oh, don't say that. Well. It's going to happen. It's going to happen, yeah.”
2025-11-11 · The Oprah Podcast · Ann Packer: "Some Bright Nowhere" | Oprah's Book Club · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“And isn't that part of the reason why you wrote the book to the producer said to me you wanted to normalize this conversation around the end of life?”
2025-11-11 · The Oprah Podcast · Ann Packer: "Some Bright Nowhere" | Oprah's Book Club · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Thanks for joining us on the Oprah podcast. Next, we're going to hear Anne's reflections on how she hopes her novel will inspire readers to have conversations about the end of life. So this brought lots of things to this surface for you, which I'm talking about, this character Elliot, for whom it also brought so many things to the surface. He was saying, how could he have failed to understand that she would no longer be? He would never again just talk about her his wife in the other room at home for the evening back in Connecticut discussing her with someone who knew her describing her to someone who didn't but might meet her someday. What did writing this book bring to the surface for you?”
2025-11-11 · The Oprah Podcast · Ann Packer: "Some Bright Nowhere" | Oprah's Book Club · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I think people who've been married, or together, as you were saying earlier for 35 or 40 years can relate to how Elliot is processing a future without Claire. And on page 231, you write, he'd been talking about Claire for nearly 40 years, but it came to him that going forward, when he talked about Claire, he would be talking about someone who was fixed in time, who had stopped being the idea pierced him with its strangeness. I know you must have felt this with your brother and your sister too.”
2025-11-11 · The Oprah Podcast · Ann Packer: "Some Bright Nowhere" | Oprah's Book Club · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“That's interesting. Did you find that too? Because now you're forever a cancer patient. That's why I know a lot of people hide it for as long as they can because they don't want to be known as the cancer patient because you're no longer seen as a full-bodied person.”
2025-11-11 · The Oprah Podcast · Ann Packer: "Some Bright Nowhere" | Oprah's Book Club · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yeah. And on page 133, you write Cancer had taken something from her that was not energy or verb or ambition. It wasn't happiness or even contentment. It was an essential part of her that she couldn't name. She could only miss it. I can ask you this who's watched your friend. What do you think cancer takes away from people? And then I'll let you answer that too.”
2025-11-11 · The Oprah Podcast · Ann Packer: "Some Bright Nowhere" | Oprah's Book Club · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“On page 42, you write she had given him his fatherhood. It wasn't just that she had given him children. She had given him his way of being a father, the greatest gift of his life. And after the gift, that was Claire herself. But alone out here, with her so far away and so close to being entirely gone, he was lost. Dare ever make yourself cry with your own writing? I know a lot of people did.”
2025-11-11 · The Oprah Podcast · Ann Packer: "Some Bright Nowhere" | Oprah's Book Club · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“For her daughter until she would turn 18 about what to do when you go to your first prom and this is what's going to happen with your period and this is what's going to happen when I die that daddy's going to want to marry somebody else. The daughter was only six so she did them for every birthday up until 18 and that takes a lot of time and thought and energy to do that. All of us who are listening to your story admire the man that you showed up to be in that moment. We can say you should be proud of yourself for the man you showed up to be in that moment.”
2025-11-11 · The Oprah Podcast · Ann Packer: "Some Bright Nowhere" | Oprah's Book Club · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yeah, I know. I remember one of the people always ask me about the Oprah Shows that I did and everybody always thinks that the most, they'll say, what's the most exciting or the most memorable? Everybody always thinks it's going to be about celebrities. And I say, it's never about celebrities. It's always about real people. And one of the real people I remember was dying of cancer and wrote, not just wrote, but did tapes for every birthday.”
2025-11-11 · The Oprah Podcast · Ann Packer: "Some Bright Nowhere" | Oprah's Book Club · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“It was an honor I wanted to ask Kyle what did this experience of Giving yourself this care partner, caregiving experience, and then being asked to leave and then in the end coming back in the end to care, give with her new boyfriend. What did that teach you about yourself?”
2025-11-11 · The Oprah Podcast · Ann Packer: "Some Bright Nowhere" | Oprah's Book Club · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I learned that many years ago in the Oprah Show, we were talking about the same thing about the differences between men and women. You might agree, Kyle, that you guys might agree that men want, okay, you're telling me this, so I need to now resolve it or fix it. Women just want to tell you. I'm just sharing my feelings. You don't have to fix anything. I'm just talking about it.”
2025-11-11 · The Oprah Podcast · Ann Packer: "Some Bright Nowhere" | Oprah's Book Club · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“A warm welcome back to you all. I'm with the New York Times bestselling author Anne Packer talking about her new novel that highlights the real life challenges of being a caregiver. Jenna, where are you? Right there. I thought so.”
2025-11-11 · The Oprah Podcast · Ann Packer: "Some Bright Nowhere" | Oprah's Book Club · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“She wanted the bright When the Oprah podcast returns, Anne Packer and I talk to a woman who moved in with her best friend during her cancer treatment.”
2025-11-11 · The Oprah Podcast · Ann Packer: "Some Bright Nowhere" | Oprah's Book Club · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“About that. I thought she was making that a lot more fantastical than it really was because from her point of view, it was one thing, but who knows what the woman who was actually experiencing the cancer was going through. Maybe it wasn't woo all Kumbaya, everybody, you know? Maybe she was annoyed with them all sitting there painting her nails and things, you know?”
2025-11-11 · The Oprah Podcast · Ann Packer: "Some Bright Nowhere" | Oprah's Book Club · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Was it? That's what I was going to ask Anne. Does Anne does Claire believe that her friends can give her something, obviously, during these final days, that Elliot can't or won't be able to?”
2025-11-11 · The Oprah Podcast · Ann Packer: "Some Bright Nowhere" | Oprah's Book Club · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yeah, yeah. I'd like to ask other men in this audience if you were Elliot, do you think he'd agree to move out? Yes, no? No.”
2025-11-11 · The Oprah Podcast · Ann Packer: "Some Bright Nowhere" | Oprah's Book Club · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I just finished a podcast with Emma Willis, who is Bruce Willis's wife, and she's written a book called The Unexpected Journey about what it's like to be a caregiver. And she doesn't use the word caregiver. She says it's really care partner because you're there. Partnering with the person that caregivers can be from the outside, but somebody who's in the home with the person all the time is a care partner. So you were a great care partner who was asked to leave through divorce. And I think that what you're saying is what she says in the book, that care partners need to take care of themselves first because most people just give and give and given till they're depleted and there's nothing there. Did you find that for yourself?”
2025-11-11 · The Oprah Podcast · Ann Packer: "Some Bright Nowhere" | Oprah's Book Club · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Years ago, Kyle and two other men who were also taking care of their wives who were struggling with cancer co-founded a national nonprofit called Jack's Caregiver Coalition. Their inspiration was a family friend named Jack who told them to serve the caregiver. It's a lonely job and they are always forgotten. The group provides a much needed support system that has helped countless men cope and navigate the feelings of isolation, caregivers so often experience. I encourage you to seek their help if you need it. You can find them at Jack's caregiver co.org. The URL is there on your screen.”
2025-11-11 · The Oprah Podcast · Ann Packer: "Some Bright Nowhere" | Oprah's Book Club · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“And then she's diagnosed. Then you become the caregiver. And five years into the caregiving, she says, I don't want to be with you anymore. Okay.”
2025-11-11 · The Oprah Podcast · Ann Packer: "Some Bright Nowhere" | Oprah's Book Club · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Okay, way, way, way, way, way, way, way. Wait just a minute hair. So, did she have the boyfriend before you were taking care of her? So she was diagnosed. You started to take care of her as her husband. Yeah, and you had been her husband for how long? How long did you have been married?”
2025-11-11 · The Oprah Podcast · Ann Packer: "Some Bright Nowhere" | Oprah's Book Club · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“We're speaking with novelist Ann Packer about her beautiful new book, Some Bright Nowhere, My One Hundred Twentieth Oprah Book Club. Wanted to hear from people who've gone through a similar experience as Elliot, and we have Kyle here in our audience. Kyle, where are you?”
2025-11-11 · The Oprah Podcast · Ann Packer: "Some Bright Nowhere" | Oprah's Book Club · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yes, expectations colliding. Why did I heard that in the beginning you were writing from Claire's point of view and then you decided to flip it to Elliot's point of view? Why?”
2025-11-11 · The Oprah Podcast · Ann Packer: "Some Bright Nowhere" | Oprah's Book Club · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“That's so interesting that you say that, and because I tell people all the time, my girls and other people sometimes call me for counseling, that the reason you're so upset is because of your expectation. The other person is just doing what they're doing and you had another expectation for it that didn't have anything to do with who they were or what they wanted. And so your expectations did not align. So I think, would you think about this for a moment, y'all, that your disappointments in life with other people is because you expected one thing and they did another?”
2025-11-11 · The Oprah Podcast · Ann Packer: "Some Bright Nowhere" | Oprah's Book Club · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I read somewhere that you believe that the theme that runs through all your work is that space between what other people want or expect of us versus what we actually want for ourselves. So why are you interested in that space in between? I think that's so fascinating, actually.”
2025-11-11 · The Oprah Podcast · Ann Packer: "Some Bright Nowhere" | Oprah's Book Club · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yeah. Yeah. Well, I read that. You're a bestseller, the dive from Claussen's peer. 10 years to write. And that you wrote the first draft of this one in four months. Is that true?”
2025-11-11 · The Oprah Podcast · Ann Packer: "Some Bright Nowhere" | Oprah's Book Club · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Her two best women friends can move in and take over as caregivers for her last week's on earth. It's a It's a wow moment. That sets the rest of this story in motion. Welcome, the beloved Anne Packer. So great to have you here. Thank you. You, when I first spoke, I was so annoyed by her. Three quarters of the book. What made you come up with this story?”
2025-11-11 · The Oprah Podcast · Ann Packer: "Some Bright Nowhere" | Oprah's Book Club · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“exactly i didn't tell you this but when i when i called anne to tell her i was actually at the gym and i had a the call was set for like two o'clock and i wasn't going to make it home so i just called you from the gym And I said to her, I'm choosing this book, even though I'm very annoyed with Claire and was annoyed with Claire through half of the book. I was totally annoyed by her, and her lack of empathy for Elliot through this whole process. But in spite of that, I'm choosing it as an open-based book cl I want you all to know just to set up the plot a little bit. Claire is. Nearing the end of her life after an eight year struggle with breast cancer. Her husband Elliot, who retired early to be Claire's Now he's retired. And he's there to take care of her Then he's blindsided. When Claire asks him to move out.”
2025-11-11 · The Oprah Podcast · Ann Packer: "Some Bright Nowhere" | Oprah's Book Club · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yeah. Well, Tondo, Delomo One of my daughter girls, a graduate of my school. Is a member of my family. She graduated from my school in South Africa. I met her when she was 11, going on 12. Her big dream was to come to America and become an actress, and that's what she's pursuing here now. And she reads every one of my book club pigs. I didn't make her do it. started doing it on her own And so we want to know what's your take.”
2025-11-11 · The Oprah Podcast · Ann Packer: "Some Bright Nowhere" | Oprah's Book Club · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“About their 35 years together. Everyone in our audience has read the book, and I hear it brought up some strong For many of you. Diane, where are you? Thank you. And some strong feelings? Let's hear it.”
2025-11-11 · The Oprah Podcast · Ann Packer: "Some Bright Nowhere" | Oprah's Book Club · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“To see you. You're wearing one of my favorite colors, purple. It didn't not occur to me. Ever make yourself cry with your own writing? I know a lot of people did. Embarrassingly, when I read it afterwards sometimes. Everybody, I'm so happy to welcome you to Oprah's Book Club presented by Starbucks. Empire state of mind here at a Starbucks. Cafe in the heart of New York City And the holidays are here, and that means Month's drink pairing is a Starbucks classic. Peppermint mocha. With flavors of Chocolate. The Merry Merry Merry Merry Minty way to warm up this season Along with a great book, and I have just the one for you right here, my 120th book club selection. Bright nowhere. Packer, the beloved Anne Packer. It's a novel Explores what? When a wife's dying request was Shatters everything her husband believed.”
2025-11-11 · The Oprah Podcast · Ann Packer: "Some Bright Nowhere" | Oprah's Book Club · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT