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Anne Wojcicki

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  1. “Why not? That's such a Silicon Valley statement. Oh, you know Sergei's working on that yesterday. I know Larry Page is up there. I've been in too many dinners where there's a discussion about.”

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  2. “It's a huge issue. And I also find when I worked in hospitals, I love, like, each person is a living book. Everyone has an interesting story. And that's what I like, you sit there with somebody in their 70s and you hear about their life and what they've done. And that's what the questions you ask me, you know, what are the mistakes you made in life? What do you regret? What did you do really well? Every single person has something interesting to say.”

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  3. “I think you can do remote care in some ways. I have all kinds of ideas about how you could actually have, I think society should be better integrated between all ages and how could you actually then have children interacting with the older people and, you know, the same co-op mentality that I have to have with my kids. Like I'm at preschool all the time. How do I actually involve myself more with senior populations? And I love it.”

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  4. “I'm busy. That's You defended me. No, they didn't. So the thing that I, my next soft spot, and the next thing I'd love to do, which is healthcare related, is I'd love to open nursing homes or some kind of retirement care. I love, like.”

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  5. “I'm very involved in my town. I've learned, again, as I've gotten involved in politics, I'm very involved in local politics as well.”

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  6. “Anyway. So I said in this other interview that I wanted to open a coffee shop and then I remembered that I actually did a coffee shop. Oh, you do have one. I do have a restaurant. Yeah. So I've already done like half of it.”

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  7. “You have kids. So that's like when you think about our life, like what we've been doing, like if I love what I do, I work a lot. I bike to work every day. And then my kids. And then I have to do it. Like, I do have a lot of family nearby. They require a lot of time. They do. So like I said, I just, I got it. I put a TV in my office and I turned it on a couple weeks ago. And I was so fat. I was exciting. But in part, that was also a recovery from Wall Street when I had a TV. You know, I had non-stop TVs over my desk where I just was eager to get a little bit of a break from the media.”

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  8. “Yeah, I mean, I do think that there's a, in some ways, there's a little bit of a sad element of how much there is, you know, we are an amazing country and some of the debates have really gotten...”

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  9. “Oh no, there's, I mean, we did an event for Hillary. We're Hillary's supporters. And we're strong Democrats like we've been, but again, as I've learned, in part what the FDA taught me was how the political system works. And I have people like Fred Upton have been incredibly supportive of Fred Upton is chairman of energy and commerce, who's a Republican, who's been incredibly supportive about me. And I have learned a lot of the differences between the two parties, and I have an incredible amount of respect for people on the hill and the system and how it works. I have a tremendous respect for President Obama, like how he's done.”

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  10. “I've definitely gotten too much. I mean, I've definitely gotten more political My father's loves, and I think growing up in a communist country where he had to escape, and his father actually was part of the Polish Peasant Party. Like, he's very interested in politics. And without a doubt, they have a very strong social bent on, you know, social. Are”

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  11. “Maybe you did at one point. I'm all for long distance, but that seems far. Yeah, that's also controversial. Yeah, no, I don't think so. I don't think that's”

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  12. “I like that about you. That's my favorite part of Anne with more things. Like, there's wojiskyisms. Yes. No, or more, you know, it's more of substance. Like, hey, let's emphasize these types of points, or how can I better communicate a mission statement? But no, there's not the reality for me is I'm, and I think my approach to press has always been very genuine. One, I still find this whole, like, I love what I do. I love the company and what I do. When people talk about us as I don't feel like I've changed since kindergarten. And so there's like an element where I'm like, it's so funny. But no, and then the PR team, they give me people.”

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  13. “And so I don't because it's also distracting. Like, you know yourself. And if suddenly all these people are giving you opinions about yourself, like, I don't need to read that. Like, I know. I know exactly what. And I'm not going to change. I'm very stubborn in this way. Like, I am what I am. And I'm not like, you know, I have my PR team who can give me feedback when it's substantive of like, oh, you shouldn't say this or like, or, you know, try. You have to not.”

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  14. “How could you not be Googling myself almost continually? Yeah, no, I think that to me goes a little bit with the frugality element. Just focus on what's important in life. And reading about, like, I know my sister, I know my family and I know me well enough. Like, why do I need to read about myself? Right.”

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  15. “But I did recognize. No, I actually Mean, it obviously becomes slightly more. I mean, one of the things I don't read my own press. I never watch myself. I mean, that's why I have a PR team is like they read it and then they tell me if there's something. And I think that keeps you focused because I think it's just two years.”

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  16. “But my dad is one of those few people where we have a travel agent, she always complains. She's like, Your dad's the only person I know who routinely downgrades from business class to coach. Like he just loves coach. So there's part of it where there's that, you know, there's that desire. the excess it doesn't”

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  17. “Yeah, but I think back on, like, there's some of the things when I think of the core, like my core, like there's things I without a doubt I enjoy, but my core, like I would be completely fine. I love the minutiae. Like, I love doing my laundry. I love cleaning the house. I love, like, I think there's something really critical about being totally independent and knowing how to survive off very little. And at least I can say, like, I lived in New York for a year where I just, you know, I walked under your parents.”

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  18. “Without a doubt. I mean, I think a lot of my parents are very unusual. And I think that coming from, you know, they both are, my mom's parents were immigrants. My father escaped from Poland and he came over here. And they are, they're people who love what they do. I think one of the things, and Susan and I actually were talking about this said how we were raised to know how to survive off very little. And, you know, money, we never saw people doing things for money. It was really, you know, we're surrounded by these academics who, you know, love, you know, quantum mechanics and math. And if I just think about the people who lived on my street, people who are passionate about causes and about learning in the world. And so in some ways you're free in life when you don't feel like”

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  19. “I think there's a lot of pressure. Do you want to go public? Why don't you do this? Like you could start doing like there's all kinds of other ways. And I think that we're so mission driven. And I'm lucky that I work with a great group of people who are very supportive of that. But I think that that's where I'm proud of the fact that on day one we sort of, that was the vision and we've stuck to it and we haven't. There's definitely been times where there was pressure. You know, you could imagine after the FDA, like, is this the right strategy? What are we doing that there was more of a question? But I think that we've really stuck to it. And I think in part, it's one of the things I've learned too. And as I've talked to other leaders in industries, you know, leadership is not about a title. It's about how you act. And to me, it's one of the most important things. Like we have, like, I am adamant. Like I am passionate about what I do because I love it. And so I think that becomes infectious within the company. And I think then that helps convince people about this is the mission and it's easier to stick to what we said we're going to do because I”

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  20. “That's a good question. You know, I think one of the things I have learned now is when you know that someone's not working in the position, learning how to move on quickly. You know, I think that that's where, I think that sometimes as starting as a new CEO, you don't make decisions, I think, fast enough. And so I've become much better. I think at probably making some of those types of decisions, I'm really proud now of the fact that our vision has not wavered. We are adamant about like this is the mission of the company and we don't get deterred. I think that that's in a world where so much is happening, we have really stuck to our vision.”

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  21. “I do ask For sure, but I'm also really quick when there's somebody who's not friendly and not responsive, I'm very quick at leaving. Right, right. I mean, and that goes to the sort of like, I try to focus on the support of men and women who actually really are willing to help.”

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  22. “Just go get Jackie Spears conference, Congresswoman Jackie Men do this, or like Von Furstenberg has been amazing to me Because you ask. You ask too. I do ask, but I'm also aggressive for a woman, but you ask. You wade in there.”

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  23. “And even I enjoy interacting with other, like even people like Elizabeth Holmes at Theranos. And, you know, ironically, some of the partnerships we've done, like we did a partnership with Cell Matrix and the CEO there is a woman. There's a number of others. I had a really good group from Wall Street too that was women investing and sort of running their own funds. But that said, there's a number of men who have been, you know, Bobby Kokadik, people like that who have been just really great supporters and enthusiastic about what I'm doing and give great mentorship. And, you know, even I was really lucky because my mom was actually the one who knew Steve Jobs because he taught she knew her at his kids. But so when I would like, you know, when I had questions about pricing, I could call up him and he would call back right away and give advice on here's how we think about pricing. I think there's actually more of a supportive community out here than we get credit for. And maybe that's just maybe I've been lucky in that way. But I do feel like I've found.”

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  24. “No, I don't. I get the question. You know, I just spoke at Jackie Spears conference, Congresswoman Jackie Spear, and I always have the saying, like I wasn't raised to really, like, I always knew I was a woman. I always knew I was a girl. I knew there were boys, but it really wasn't until I was on Wall Street when I was sort of pointed at and said, like, oh, but like women normally only do this or like men do this or like different genders are good at different things. Like I had never crossed my mind. And so I'd sort of learn from the Wall Street days that there's women, there's men, and then there's assholes and you just avoid the assholes. So it's when I'm with a group of other people who are CGOs, like the main advantage of being a woman is like, I don't have to share the bathroom, but that there's, you know, I find, I feel like I try to find other people who are incredibly supportive and really helpful. And I'm really lucky, I think, that there's a number of mentors who've been like men and women. So Chaz, who are your? Oh, Arianna Huffington has been great. Diane von Forsenberg has been amazing to me.”

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  25. “But it's just more that we become that consumer platform. There's more and more consumer movement. So speaking of that, staying independent, you're one of the few women CEOs of companies. Your sister is another, although she's part of. Google and then part of alphabet, like whoever.”

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  26. “Hopefully that's you. I don't think there's any Ubering in the genomics. But I think it's 23 and me doesn't have quite the same. Yeah, no, it doesn't. It doesn't rhyme in that way. But we'll come up with another term at some point. Okay.”

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  27. “I mean, I think that there's other things that are consumer focused. So, like, would we ever get into microbiome? Would we ever get into epigenetics? Would we ever get into T-Limit? There's other types of tests that I know consumers want. But I think that I really, I mean, I really believe in 20 years, like we're leading a consumer revolution of consumers wanting to take more ownership of their health and actually having more of the voice and the care of healthcare and research. The same way the consumer has in every other aspect of our life. Look at Uber, look at all of the sharing economy is essentially based on the consumer sharing and them taking that ownership. And that's what we're trying to bring to healthcare. So I think there's a massive opportunity for us to become this platform for genetics.”

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  28. “Ah, I think we can become an incredibly prosperous company off of a direct-to-consumer business and then eventually on the therapeutics. So, yeah, no, I mean, I think”

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  29. “So we hired someone named Richard Scheller who ran research and development at Genentech for 15 years, and we are working on actually trying to translate all of this consumer data that we have into meaningful therapies that could potentially then go back to the consumers. So one of the things we do, we have groups like Parkinson's community. And the Parkinson's community, we are, you know, Parkinson's a disease that's not well treated. So can we actually successfully use all that genetic data and all the data we collect to try and make novel new therapies? So that's one of the big areas I think that you'll see coming out of 23 more and more is that we'll be talking about some of the progress that we're actually seeing there.”

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  30. “So we relaunched with the new health reports that we have that were FDA cleared, were focused really on two areas. One, expanding the number of reports out. So we wanted. So, well, there's not necessarily more spinning. For us, it's more work with the FDA. So I want to get, I know consum”

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  31. “And so I think the more my worry always is if we need to almost take some leap of faith, like believing the people more, enabling some, we have to take some risk to try and really improve health. And some of that is dependent on just believing in the consumer and believing in their potential.”

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  32. “And it was questioned Are people allowed to do that? Like, doesn't that violate HIPAA in some way? And we're like, people are actually allowed to do whatever they want with their own information. Right.”

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  33. “Well, I mean, healthcare is very regulated. And I think that's where giving the consumer the ability to actually try and take charge of their health more and more is huge. I mean, when 23andMe launched and we enabled people, for instance, to post their health results on Facebook.”

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  34. “If you could, yeah, preventative care. And that's one of the challenges the preventative care is not a major part of the system because who wants to pay for that bill? And I think the reality is that each individual, for the insurers and for employers, you move jobs, you switch insurance companies all the time. So the payoff potentially doesn't come to you. But under Obamacare, because everyone has to be covered, there's potentially more of a chance that if you over there, that we actually pay for your preventative care, the entire system, everyone's actually going to be having to get the care.”

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  35. “Because it's just much easier, like in the practicalities of it, is you just test people once they're pregnant because then you already know they're pregnant. But then for the consumer, you're left with a worse decision because let's say you and your partner actually are both carriers for cystic fibrosis. Well, then you're in an uncomfortable situation. Right.”

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  36. “The rollout was problematic. Well, because so much, and I think it's one of the things that people don't realize, is how much effort was put into trying to avoid certain kinds of individuals, trying to avoid coverage of people. You know, like there is some, you know, there's all kinds of famous examples about different things they do. But for people that you know are really, just in all aspects of it, everyone has to be covered today. So there's no longer this sort of game of hot potato where if we just know everyone's going to have to be covered, it's a very different type of system. And in some ways, preventative care like all women, as far as I'm concerned, all women at 20 should have genetic testing to see if they're a carrier for something like cystic fibrosis. And that's not given because who wants to foot that bill?”

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  37. “It is expensive when people get sick. And I think that's where the phones and the apps and the communication. Right, and the more that people actually, like, I really believe in the consumer, the more that you are empowered to actually care about yourself. And we treat you like an adult. Like you can take care of yourself. And here's different steps and here's ways and how you learn information and that you take that ownership I think is going to have a big impact on just on how you actually then take care of yourself.”

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  38. “Or are there other ways to be interacting with a healthcare provider or other ways to get a health information? But the reality is that this system cannot afford for every single person to have a one-to-one interaction for all of their healthcare. Some of healthcare has to be delivered through the internet. It has to be delivered through video content. Photos, photos, apps, et cetera, because we can't afford to have every single medical question be a one-to-one discussion.”

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  39. “To me, this is where the internet experience from the late 90s was really valuable because you think about today, everyone's accepted Amazon and eBay, but it was controversial at the time. And so it's the same thing. And it's not, I can say all kinds of different groups are controversial or concerned about this, but the reality is it's just change. And I think one of the things that 23Me does, and I think that one of the things that society has to question is whether or not the one-to-one interaction with a physician is actually the gold standard.”

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  40. “You did know when the screen, but it's nice they got some of the assurance like okay, it's an ear infection, and whether or not you need to come in, do they need the antibiotic? Like, could you just take a picture and send that in? I think groups like Doctors on Demand where you just hold up your phone and you have a video consult. And so do I actually, do you need to go into your doctor all the time? Because a lot of your physician visits can actually just be through your phone. Other companies like Grand Rounds, where if I have a new diagnosis of something, do I want to let lots of different physicians weigh in? Do I want to get a whole bunch of different opinions? And I think, again, that goes back to that car analogy. Am I ever really going to go to one car dealership and just take what they tell me? But I'm probably going to want to get multiple opinions.”

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  41. “I think it's Like that, but a picture of a mole. So they have other things. I mean, you having small children or having lived through small children. But your infections, there's a little device where you put that on your phone and it just looks in your ear and says whether or not you have an ear infection. All of this.”

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  42. “And I think for me, when I think about something like 23andMe, one of the things that 23andMe is focused on is prevention. So if I tell you like, okay, you're high risk for a stroke. And you say like, oh, okay, well, maybe I should start working out more. Should I lose weight? If they actually have your food records, could they then at one day say, oh, you know, instead of eating wonder bread, you should really eat that whole grain bread or maybe you should cut out bread. So more and more, like how is it that healthcare becomes part of what you're doing every single day of your life?”

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  43. “So, I think there's those types of apps. I think more and more, one of the things I'm most excited about is this trend where you see Walmart and Target in Safeway and other groups all putting in these nurses and these medical clinics. So Walmart announced their MINICLIC, but Walmart announced a $40 checkup, which is huge because for me, if you think about your healthcare, today you go to the doctor when you have to when you're sick. It's sort of this episodic visit and you get a stamp where you're either healthier or you're sick. And when it becomes where you actually are living your life, like the majority of Americans, the reality is they live their life going to Walmart a few times a week. And if your healthcare becomes part of that, that experience of, you know, it's affordable, you just pay the $40, it's affordable, you can start working more on prevention.”

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  44. “That's where a computer could do really well is start to learn that. The other type of thing is in moles, you know, instead of actually going to your dermatologist, you just take a picture of your mole and a computer could actually start to read that better and better.”

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  45. “Well, yeah. I mean, one of the things I think people don't realize is that, you know, if you get a mammogram, part of the reason why there's controversy is that, you know, different radiologists might interpret it in a different way.”

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  46. “Not say at home. It's just that you should have machine learning There's absolutely like with deep learning in neural networks, there's absolutely no reason why you're going to get a mammogram and it's going to be read by machines. And you'll also still have radiologists looking at it. But you're going to have, I mean, clearly computers will be made for looking at things like slides and just teaching them. I mean, I think that's what's, the AI world in deep learning is going to revolution. I mean, have a major impact in healthcare on things like that. So I think in radio radio, radio”

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  47. “Middle of Wajiskyville, and it's quite Yeah, I know. So I think that there's a lot, I mean, there's definitely people, like I'm voting for, you know, I'm cheering for Theranos to succeed because I think it will help the entire industry. I do think there's other examples like the cardio company that you mentioned, the EKGs on your phone, which I think, and I give the FDA huge kudos for that. Like here it is, you can get a little device for your phone. I think it's under a couple hundred dollars and you can measure EKGs. And that was an example. I actually was with a family member over Christmas who actually has atrial fibrillation and was holding that and suddenly wasn't feeling great and suddenly like using that device the alive core device was like oh wow i'm back in a fib and had that mentality of like i used to go to these like incredibly expensive machines and now i have a little thing on my phone that just diagnosed that i'm back in a fib i mean it is amazing yeah”

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  48. “There needs to be data. And the reality is scientists live and die off data. And everyone loves to pick on their data. That's the fun. It's like, you know, that's the banter. That's our people magazine of this world. Like, we love to banter about data. And so we just need data.”

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  49. “Yeah, and they do have the, you know, well, they do have their first, they have an FDA approval. So, you know, for it wasn't quite the mark.”

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  50. “They have a lot of money So, and I think that there's a real demand for a product like that. People want to take more control. And so there's definitely a demand for that. And to be honest, I think everyone loves a comeback story. So in some ways, if they can show the data and win people over.”

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