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  1. “University is not the best place to learn. It doesn't matter what you're studying. You should be out there and really understand how the world works in terms of how work translates to value creation. And you don't learn that at university. So university is like a way to train your brain to learn new things and meet a lot of interesting people.”

    2025-08-18 · The Twenty Minute VC · 20VC: Lovable CEO Anton Osika on $120M in ARR in 7 Months | The Honest Truth About Defensibility and Unit Economics for AI Startups | The State of Foundation Models: Long Grok, Short OpenAI, Why | Replit vs Lovable vs Bolt: What Happens · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source

  2. “Yes, definitely. I think being a generalist becomes more and more important with everything with AI so that you can understand how things come together as larger whole and then you use AI for the deep expertise that you don't need in the future as much.”

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  3. “The best companies, engineers will react as this translation layer, they will need to be more thinking more in terms of product being a product manager. I think there's a higher elasticity on such engineers. So you might see many companies being like, oh, more engineers, we can do even more, even faster. They are out talking to the customers and changing things with AI super fast.”

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  4. “For the junior engineers, Onex engineers, they often are bad at something, right? If I can bridge that gap, it takes them from zero to one. And to be able to do something they were not able to do before is like a 10x, they go to 10x or even more. So if that's the case, then it's more valuable for them. If it's a 10x engineer working on something where you need a lot of many years of experience to work on a system that a new junior engineer completely doesn't understand that one extension doesn't understand the system, then the one extensioner is useless. So no AI is going to increase their velocity, while the 10x engineer is going to maybe go to 100x engineer.”

    2025-08-18 · The Twenty Minute VC · 20VC: Lovable CEO Anton Osika on $120M in ARR in 7 Months | The Honest Truth About Defensibility and Unit Economics for AI Startups | The State of Foundation Models: Long Grok, Short OpenAI, Why | Replit vs Lovable vs Bolt: What Happens · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source

  5. “Don't like from the get go two years ago, I decided I'm gonna be lovable for a world where humans don't write code anymore. And we're quickly moving there. We very, very quickly moving there. Today, I don't mind at all. Like it should be flexible. Some humans have their way of doing things. And I think it's good if you have ecosystem where you can use many, many different tools on the product. Over time, I think it will converge towards the very opinion of the platform, like the ones we're building towards and everyone's just look at what's the cost benefit of doing it with some other tool as well, only using love of all is going to be the obvious, the high velocity and high quality driving choice.”

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  6. “Focus on what our product does and how we serve our customers best. And I don't really predict that if we get all the majority of the profit share in this market, that's amazing. This is spread out across different companies. That's also fine as long as we build a product that lasts for generations. And I do that by building the best product for our customers.”

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  7. “Much, much better. Very much so. Yep. I'm very proud of what the team done so far with security, and there's more to come.”

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  8. “Not yet. If you take your average developer who normally works in a large team where they have a lot of support, and then that human goes out and builds an application, they are going to create software that has security holes on average You build an application with lovable, it's going to tell you to go through a bunch of security reviews, and the AI is going to do a bunch of security reviews. And finally, it's going to give you green light. Like, we haven't found any security vulnerabilities. If you compare those two, the averaged, really average developer with going to have a lower chance of having a vulnerability. And so we want to zero percent. We need to put that 0% chance of vulnerability.”

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  9. “Yes, I think they. So let me say different way. First of all, we talk about security, like company-wide every week, like every day I hear something about security because we take it so seriously. There's so many different fronts to make it much more secure than if a human would do the application development. And that's why it's so important for us to be the best in the world at security.”

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  10. “I don't think so much about competition. The only thing that matters is that we make our product the best product and we continue to deliver on our value promises to our customers. If there is something that happens, there was a competitor that found a lot of apps that have been poorly made. And they said, oh, this is a vulnerability. And I spoke to a lot of security professionals. That wasn't really like how you would normally announce vulnerability. So then I went in unbashed them as an outcome of that. I think that was a very reactive thing and I think it was like something I'd be happy to share in person to that competitor, like face-to-face.”

    2025-08-18 · The Twenty Minute VC · 20VC: Lovable CEO Anton Osika on $120M in ARR in 7 Months | The Honest Truth About Defensibility and Unit Economics for AI Startups | The State of Foundation Models: Long Grok, Short OpenAI, Why | Replit vs Lovable vs Bolt: What Happens · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source

  11. “Right, and you can't just say tell ChatGPT or something, just go to Sakamando Hackathon, it's going to come up with something else than what you had in mind, right? So you can either prompt it very, very detailed, or you can make sure it knows how you think. And that's what we'll be evolving towards.”

    2025-08-18 · The Twenty Minute VC · 20VC: Lovable CEO Anton Osika on $120M in ARR in 7 Months | The Honest Truth About Defensibility and Unit Economics for AI Startups | The State of Foundation Models: Long Grok, Short OpenAI, Why | Replit vs Lovable vs Bolt: What Happens · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source

  12. “Prompting is basically providing context to an AI of what your goals are and how you want it to do something. When you have great employees for you, right? They know everything about how you want it to work. So you just have to say, let's go to Stockholm and do a hackathon, and then you just magically becomes what you want it to be. It pretty much does.”

    2025-08-18 · The Twenty Minute VC · 20VC: Lovable CEO Anton Osika on $120M in ARR in 7 Months | The Honest Truth About Defensibility and Unit Economics for AI Startups | The State of Foundation Models: Long Grok, Short OpenAI, Why | Replit vs Lovable vs Bolt: What Happens · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source

  13. “Yes, I think so. But maybe it will evolve in terms of how you do it, like hyper personalization takes care of a lot of detailed prompting that we have to do today.”

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  14. “In a dream world, we would be even more opinionated about how you build an application and we would know what's the future of building applications with AI being such a core part of it. I don't think it's possible because how AI works and like what's the best UX with AI for the products that are built with lovable changes so rapidly. At some point in the future, I'd love to be there. And when what happens if we can be more opinionated is that you get the right level of detailed adjustments on how the AI works for your product or back-end flows and workflows and automations work for your product. And now we support a lot of different things. So it's more, you need to be really good at prompting right now.”

    2025-08-18 · The Twenty Minute VC · 20VC: Lovable CEO Anton Osika on $120M in ARR in 7 Months | The Honest Truth About Defensibility and Unit Economics for AI Startups | The State of Foundation Models: Long Grok, Short OpenAI, Why | Replit vs Lovable vs Bolt: What Happens · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source

  15. “Our tool enables a lot of flexibility at the cost of some velocity on our product development. But I think it's a pretty good sweet spot. You can build with lovable and then any engineer can come in and edit and take over if they want to. I think, yes, we would be moving faster if we were even more opinionated about how things should be done”

    2025-08-18 · The Twenty Minute VC · 20VC: Lovable CEO Anton Osika on $120M in ARR in 7 Months | The Honest Truth About Defensibility and Unit Economics for AI Startups | The State of Foundation Models: Long Grok, Short OpenAI, Why | Replit vs Lovable vs Bolt: What Happens · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source

  16. “For some pixel perfect things, it's going to be amazing to continue to use Figma. I don't know how the distribution will look like in terms of doing it with a more opinionated way, which is what our platform is becoming, versus how many companies want to continue to do it like you do it now in a tool like Figma.”

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  17. “I think humans are sometimes too obsessed with small details being perfect, which makes you move much slower. And the way of doing it right now with the design, what one person does all of the design very slowly, very detailed, is going to be replaced by AI doing. You talk much more high level and you talk about your design philosophy and then the AI does the implementation of design. And then you as a human go out and get all the context from do other people think this looks good and give it all as feedback into the AI and then there's a very seamless opinionated way of taking it all the way to a product with all the marketing and growth functions built in the AI behind it as well as all the tooling you need to evolve high quality software product which comes like testing, quality assurance and so on. And that's a new way of doing it and thinking you should be doing design with make and like the figma tools, it will slow you down too much.”

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  18. “Look to date what you've done is that you've taken an idea and then you went through many, many, many steps until it's like a fully fast-growing product. I call that the product lifecycle. One part of it is writing the code, which is where AI now has made it much faster. There are many steps after that. There are steps before that, which is to mock it up, validated internally, validate it with your users. What we've done so far is to take all the first step until like this is validated, this is what we need to ship. And even we have even external users on it into one few minutes or a few hours of building. So that's where we've seen the most maturity on our product. The steps that come after is something we have to build out as fast as possible so that you don't need a product design engineering organization. It's all one tool where anyone with the best ideas spend the most time.”

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  19. “I think also just want to say on the enterprise use case. So if I was a CEO or like a CTO of a large enterprise company, I wouldn't think in terms of, oh, how can we make our engineers more productive? I would think in terms of how can we get the most information about what we should build as quickly as possible into new products or into our existing products. That requires everyone in the company to be able to work in one place to change and edit their products and propose new changes to it. It's hard for us or for anyone in that matter to build a product that does that tomorrow. It's better for us to start with the founders who are building it from the ground up and then move it into the enterprise, the same experience into the enterprise.”

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  20. “They quit their job. I think it sounds good. Yeah. But I can just expand a bit on the business thinking there as well. So I think many of the largest businesses, they haven't been started yet today. Now with AI, you can move so fast. You can miterate much faster, close to your customers. You can drive prices down. We want to be the enabling tool for that movement. I think over the time that's going to result in a lot of revenue. We can do all of these use cases that you're asking about at the same time, what are use case percentage of adoption or revenue is going to converge towards is just what's the spend from enterprises? What's the end game spend from enterprises? What's the end game spend for consumers on tools like this if we continue to dominate this completely new category?”

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  21. “Like our mission is to enable a lot of people that have the opportunity to build businesses, but they have been held back by not being able to write code and have access to capital to hire engineers. So it's obvious to start with the people who are going to build businesses. And then it naturally trickles down to everyone else as well as a function of that. I think those are the best people to start building for, where you can extract value, I think less about that. I think about our mission.”

    2025-08-18 · The Twenty Minute VC · 20VC: Lovable CEO Anton Osika on $120M in ARR in 7 Months | The Honest Truth About Defensibility and Unit Economics for AI Startups | The State of Foundation Models: Long Grok, Short OpenAI, Why | Replit vs Lovable vs Bolt: What Happens · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source

  22. “We want to build for the new generation of AI Native founders that build maybe one person unicorns soon. The funny thing is that those people also have jobs maybe in large successful companies and they want to help their friends and their family to build simple websites. So I think this is a good split.”

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  23. “Trying to build nice websites in this no code website Builders Week, Squarespace, and so on. And if you can just always do everything lovable and with a UX that I think is more sophisticated in moving fast, that's also growing, but I think the first two are the ones who are really like game changers.”

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  24. “You're right. So people do everything with lovable. They come with their idea to build a software business and product. And then there's a lot of people in large companies that use it as like, okay, now I can show what I actually think we should build in the business. And then they build a working product that then they can decide, are we going to give it to our engineering team and they actually implement it? And then it's everyone else who built their personal website, their small business websites, in a few minutes. 80% of people are in the first category. They're building real complex applications in terms of revenue. In terms of revenue, 80%. And then the second segment is actually growing very fast because enterprises are slowing to wake up. But you might have seen this product leader from Google who says, we're never again writing a document about a product. We have to use lovable or something to build out a fully working demo. That use case is also growing very fast. And in terms of the third use case, a lot of people have been burned.”

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  25. “Something I'm super excited about is that the AI has more context about who they're talking to and how they should be answering to guide them through our specific application. Solving that problem is something that we have to do. And we have to do it both with how we build this authentic chain. And over time in building absolutely world class, paying $100 million for getting the people that train the models. So that's on the horizon for us to get it to be hyper-personalized for you specifically.”

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  26. “Have a very complex agenda where we pass the user's response, the application information through many different models. And we take really fast and small ones and then we use for code writing. We usually use Anthropic. And right now you can say like, I want to use GPT-5. And that's better when you're solving a really hard debugging problem.”

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  27. “That we had before. The biggest part of GPT 5 that's disappointing is that now they have to optimize all these different things into one model before it was like different models and they had to do it really fast. So it's inevitably going to fall short in some dimensions. I mean, it just is a disappointment that you can't improve in all the directions at the same time.”

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  28. “And that's why we decided hey, this is very smart. So let's give it to all our users and see what they tell us in terms of what was good and what's bad. What we found was that for the use cases, when you had to solve a really, really hard problem, it's great in terms of is open AI doing a great job. I think this was a really smart, obvious choice for them to say like, we have these five different models. They have to select in ChatGPT. Let's just bring it down into one model GPT-5. So they definitely should have done that, but it comes with a lot of trade-offs. And so far, I'd say they executed pretty well on it. The model is still too ambitious.”

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  29. “Looked a lot at how GPT 5 would impact our users before we decided okay, let's put this into the product. And we looked at how long time it took to get responses. We looked at our quantitative evals and then we just vibe, checked it in many different ways. And what we concluded was that it's oftentimes too ambitious for our users.”

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  30. “What we're betting on is to be the gateway for humans and be the best user experience for AI. And so far OpenAI is doing that better than Tropic. So I see them as a more serious competitor in 12 months.”

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  31. “In the long term, it just comes down to execution of a team. And many people are going to offer what we're offering today. We just need to offer much more when that time comes. Give a better user experience, give a better value proposition to our customers.”

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  32. “So, I would like to rethink how the applications are built, like what is the best way to build an application. What Lovable does now is it takes all the best practices from decades of how a great software product we've built, but that's not how the future is going to look like. All software applications are going to have some type of AI. They're going to have extremely seamless payment and checkout flows. That's something I'd love for us to spend time on figuring out and making it possible for our users not to just have superhuman AI engineer, but to have an AI engineer that builds like the future of applications.”

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  33. “And he just tells me Anton, you need to compute the payback time, and then you need to do super hard performance optimization on acquiring new users. And then you, of course, need to have a good payback times in terms of”

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  34. “So, this was a few months ago, but we looked at how much revenue is flowing through the AI from lovable applications. And it was more than $10 million in ARR. And now all of that revenue needs the user to go through this bit complex process of setting up the connection to the model providers. We're looking at Simplifying. So stay tuned for how we enable more simplicity, first of all, for our users with that. And then if we can reduce the underlying cost, maybe we can take a margin there as well.”

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  35. “Quite large extent, yes. And generally, when I think about models, they're the models that are very thoughtful and deep thinking. And now we put as much of work on those models. In the future, it's going to be a mix in terms of when it's obvious what you should do, then it doesn't cost any money. It's super fast. But when it's a new situation, which building a software product often results in, then it has to think much more”

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  36. “As all applications develop, the AI is going to be adapted to those applications. And for most things, it's super simple to do it. It's like you're driving a car and you're not thinking about what you're doing. When you're in a new situation driving a car, then you're like, your brain really goes on fire. We're not there. We're not close to being there yet. I think for us, it's too early to optimize for that because the AI is every month is like doing new completely different things. So we just want to be able to iterate really fast on what the AI is able to do. and not optimize the models for what it's doing.”

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  37. “Do as our business develops. We're looking to get most of our revenue once you as a user are like, I love this platform. I'm never leaving. But today it's only like in the beginning you're paying to build pretty much. So over time, we just want to create so much value stay on the subscription. a small part of the cost goes to the to their ai compute.”

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  38. “I think that's my recommendation. It should just be like execute fast, grow faster when you're starting to get up there, you can maybe start thinking a bit about the defensibility.”

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  39. “Over time. Yes, great question. I have a friend who has this fun analog in terms of an AI startup, which is that AI startups are like chickens shot out of a cannon up in the sky if you kind of start getting traction. And then it's all about flapping fast as a chicken because there are new chickens shut out from cannons every day. And if you keep flapping faster than the other chickens, then you're going to do great. And I think that's a good first level of analysis in how you should operate.”

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  40. “I think you need to build a product if you want to maximally be defensive. Where if you are on this product and the platform that product is, you don't want to live because you have so much value that you've created on the platform that you're getting automatically every day. So that's what lovable is becoming in this product building platform where you lovable today is your technical co-founder. We want it to be your co-founder in general that handles all the admins setting up your finance operations. If you're on a platform like that, you probably don't want to live.”

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  41. “Super concrete example is the Apple ecosystem where they obsess about details maybe too much so they move slowly, but that's what builds up trust and is a very strong brand. That's what we're aiming for as well in every interaction, like every time we update the product, how do we make sure we roll it out so that we really understand the users and how their reactions to all the things we're changing very rapidly in the product, in the company”

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  42. “I do, yeah. And it's a kind of wonderful chaotic protective layer that works together as a close team. I don't really have like a name for it. It's just the people working close with me. So the team is made up of previous founder type generalists that work closely with me and I work in terms of like quick feedback. This is not what we should be doing. This is what we should be doing. Works okay now. I think we can do even better.”

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  43. “A good question. I'm going to always operate with most of my impact coming from founder modes, but I do need, given that there's so many things thrown at me and coming from all the different directions to have kind of a protective layer that introduces a lot of order in how do we prioritize all these incoming things. And that comes down to a well-running organization. And then for a well-running organization, you need a very organized manager somewhere at the top. And I'm not planning to be that manager myself, but surround myself with great leaders who do more of the organization.”

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  44. “I still operate lovable in a very scrappy startup y way, even though we're at a layer growth stage right now. Adding a bit more structure in a few key areas is some”

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  45. “I like to think a lot about slope. If I talk to someone and I learn a lot of things talking from them and I notice that my conversation is like very dynamic and exciting, that is usually feels like a very good indicator that they're going to adapt to the organization and their slope will be very high. Otherwise, there are good ways to just understand how did they perform, like if I could be there with a video camera when they worked in the past, that gives me a lot of signals. That's usually what I spend a lot of time when I talking to new candidates.”

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  46. “You just did very different. I think one of those people, Saki's hiring, they wouldn't perform as well as the engineers in my team doing what we're doing. So it's a very different type of talent. And if I knew who was like the perfect engineer to hire, I could maybe step up our compensation bands to get exactly those. But I don't know who are the best people. So I need to just like figure out, are these really, really good people to work with? Are they mouldable? Are they going to work well together in this team and then give like the conversation that you give on the top of market conversation rates for that?”

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  47. “I think for me, it's actually more difficult than for Zuck to know which engineers are going to really thrive, push the culture forward, push the way so we're working in the products forward. For Suck, it's like there's 10 people that know everything about how to train foundation models. And he's more paying for that knowledge than for these people, the talent itself is so good. It probably is pretty good as well.”

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  48. “I think it's an arms race to build a best team, and then it's an arm race to build the best brand and trust from your users. And I mean, capital can help. For us, it's not a constraint at all. If you're building something like the best foundation model, it might be a constraint just because the compute for training and so on is so large. But for us, it's all about moving extremely fast and collecting the best talent.”

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  49. “I do think there's like a 50 50 chance they will have the best model we'll be using a Chinese model at some point and that makes me a bit concerned”

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  50. “I think it's more the slope on the Groc team. They're doing something which I respect a lot, which is to hire missionaries for the data curation part, the morale is super high. OpenAI has gone through all this mess, right?”

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