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  1. I find that when I interview and I'm tired, I just really want to say yes. I want to just do. of cross one more thing of my to-do list. I don't want to go into view one more person. So that's subconscious. It's not that you are consciously thinking that. But so Increasing the chances of not making hiring mistakes is huge. There are times when I am Karov knew instinctively that there is something wrong. About this hire but mentally I could not give myself reasons. You know that time? You feel that's not quite right, but the resume is amazing. The references are incredible. My board likes them. But something in me is Follow that because it's so much more important not to hire the wrong person than to meet someone.

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  2. I don't think there are bigger mistakes for a founder than hiring mistakes. So I've kind of created a little A little rule book about hiring Like number one never interview when you are tired.

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  3. Faith but also what helps is when you see other people having achieved it. So part of it is the storytelling, so we take all the stories in all the companies we work with and publicize them. put them on the platform. So if you see that somebody who has a similar job to you. Can do it. You feel more optimistic that you can do it. And also removing judgments. You know, often self-judgments get in the way of behavior change. And if we say this is a judgment-free zone, You're going to fall off the wagon. You're going to make mistakes. But one little step at a time, BJ Fogg, who is the chair of our scientific board from Stanford, he wrote a book called Tiny Habits. And it's the same idea tiny habits, microsteps Making small progress that becomes cumulatively healthier habits.

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  4. And we say that, you know working with Walmart, Walmart is one of our customers. They have one point six million associates, as they call their employees in the United States alone. And we work with them and they actually give us, I'll say, a million dollars a year to spend in financial. I am rewards to help people have another incentive because incentives are superpowers. And we've had people reverse diabetes, reverse hypertension. But it was all one little microstep at a time.

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  5. Kind of small little improvements. If you think of it, behavior change in our culture was seen as new year resolutions. I'm going to go to the gym an hour a day, I'm going to give up all sugar two to three weeks later these resolutions are abandoned. People have a sense of failure. They feel shame. So The alternative is what we are doing which is micro steps too small to fail. We'll never tell people meditate for twenty minutes in the morning. No. We say when you wake up in the morning, can you take sixty seconds before you go to your phone to breathe consciously? Or to remind yourself what you are grateful for, or to set your intention for the day. The point is can you break it down into the smallest possible component and what happens people build a sense of success?

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  6. I've been building Thrive, working with a great group of scientists. I really believe we've cracked the code on behavior change. You know, behavior change is supposed to be very hard. But the way to make it achievable is through what we call microsteps. And interestingly enough, you write in your book about making everything small.

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  7. and I launched Thrive Global at sixty six. Now I'm now seventy four we launched a new company with some Aldman and OpenAI that is Thrive AI Health to help democratize everything we've brought to thrive, you know, about these five behaviors? Because that's kind of the ultimate inequality. Like as you kind of were alluding, people with resources. No about his five behaviors. They may not know all the science behind it. But now we see it we see people Prioritizing their sleep, what they are eating, exercise, stress management, listening to Peter Atia and Andrew Huberman And we need to democratize this knowledge and knowledge. Adopt these healthier habits. And over the last seven years, the

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  8. Oh, I'm definitely happier not because of money, I'm happier because I'm much more connected to myself because I'm constantly growing as a human being, and that's for me the key, you know, that sense of evolution and growth is ultimately what defines my life. It's not my work. I think that's so kissive, and because so many people stay in jobs they no longer love because they are big jobs. They have a big title. And they feel if I give up that job, who am I going to be? I mean, listen, when I left the Huffington Post. I left a very successful multimedia company all around the world, and With eight hundred and fifty journalists to start again literally to raise money, hire people. But I Was so clear that what I wanted to do is to help people lead healthier lives.

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  9. Nothing really because my books had been very successful, and I feel there is a certain amount of money that changes your life. And after that there isn't really much change. I mean, I remember the first time I felt rich was when I could go into a bookstore and buy a book without looking at the price. You know, when you would go to a bookstore and I'll wait for you to come out. There are different levels like that.

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  10. Are more critical to our health and our longevity than genes and medical care. Jean's, you know, there's nothing we can do about it. Medical care obviously is imperative when we're really sick, but health is really what happens between doctor visits. what we do every day because just think of it the idea that you have your annual physical And that's your healthcare. What are you doing every day? Are you stressed out? Are you sleep deprived? Are you eating junk?

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  11. So quickly. Really? You know, it's pretty dramatic. When you break your cheekbone, and it's equally dramatic when you spend a lot of time in doctor's waiting rooms wondering what's wrong with you. So yes, it He changed a lot of things the keystone habit that he changed was sleep. And then As I started the phenomenon of burnout, and talk to a lot of scientists and wrote the sleep book, it became very clear that there are five critical behaviors. Five daily behaviors that affect our health, both physical health and mental health sleep food, what we eat, you know, again, just keeping it simple, can we reduce ultra processed foods? Can we reduce sugar? Movement exercise Stress management? And connection, connection to ourselves, connection with each other. So His five behaviors now Steven are seen

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  12. Exactly because very often, if you're unhappy in your life, changing the job might be the easiest thing that you think may change outcomes.

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  13. Well, if you think of what makes a fulfilling life What gives you meaning and purpose and all the things that make it more likely that a company culture will succeed? If you're in a company culture that encourages giving, I mean at Thrive, we have giving days, we match donations, and this creates a kind of giving culture which makes it more likely that people working in that company are going to feel fulfilled because fulfillment is not just a function of your job. It's a function of everything around it.

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  14. One of the reasons is that women internalize mistakes more. What I said about myself is true about many successful women. We are ruminators. We tend to Go over and over in our minds any mistake we made and men have a much easier time just moving on. They have a much easier time being Roger Federer. So that's a big problem. The other is this perfectionism And the fact that they still have a larger percentage of work at home and even if They get a lot of help from their partner, the mind share. You know, they still are thinking, oh, my partner is picking up the child for the doctor's appointment, but I still think about it.

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  15. Sooner or later you fall off. The third leg of the stool is everything else. It's our health and well-being, it's our capacity to connect with ourselves and our wisdom. It's our capacity for a sense of wonder and the mystery of life and the small joys of life and then giving. So these four other areas Are what make a complete and whole life?

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  16. Are they women burn out faster than men? Most women first of all steal and do the bulk of work at home in terms of children and child that we theoretically believe that Men are equally engaged, but the data doesn't bear that out. But what I was saying in Thrive as you're holding the Thrive book. Is really about two That third metric of success, I obviously like thirds. You know, if you think of the first two metrics of success, money and power slash status, and most people think that's life. It's not It's like trying to sit on a two legged stool.

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  17. The first women's revolution was about giving us the vote. The second women's revolution was about equal pay and equal opportunities. The third women's revolution was was about Making it clear that we can succeed without burning out, that we don't have to sacrifice our well being, our relationships on the altar of success, and I believe that as we are doing it now, we're in the middle of it, and a lot of men are a big part of it. That it's good for everybody. I mean, look at the number of men who end up with heart attacks, high cholesterol, hypertension, all because they think that's the only way to succeed.

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  18. Okay. Obviously, there are more men who've succeeded and therefore there are numerically more men who believe and practice that. But I think a lot of women too, who want to make sure they're not seen as being on the mummy track or not being as passionate or intense about their work have bought it with a delusion, but what I found very interesting is to try and And see what was the beginning of that delusion? And I traced it back to the first industrial revolution. When people started revering machines and after machines software, and what is the What is basically the essence of machines and software? No downtime. You know, you know, you have sales force bringing out a new piece of software and saying 99.999999% uptime. Well, the human operating system is different. For the human operating system, downtime is a feature, not a bug.

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  19. Worked extra hard to meet a deadline then take thrive time to recharge. And you know, Stephen, that's actually good for the business, because very often people get sick or make their biggest mistakes when they are completely depleted. So it's not about lack of intensity. It's about taking time to Refuel, recharge and be at your best.

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  20. Absolutely, I think the biggest success of the Havington Post actually happened after that. And let me just make that very clear, Stephen. Taking care of yourself doesn't mean you don't work with intensity. In fact, when we launch thrive, we We're interviewing people to hire. We realized early on that there are people who thought oh they could go work for Thrive and it would be like chilling under the mango tree. So had to explain to them no no we're a very ambitious high charging company, and if you want to chill under the mango tree, that's not a good place to be. And we tell everybody there will be times when you have to deliver a product or meet a deadline and you may have to work late or work a weekend. But what we do then, we give people thrive time immediately after. Like if you've played

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  21. So I literally walk up that morning, went to CNN to do a news hit, came back and sat at my desk, felt called, got up to go get a sweater, and collapsed, and hit my head on my desk, broke my cheekbone, and and came to In a little pool of blood, and that was the beginning of a journey of going from doctor to doctor, from echocardiogram to MRI to find out what was wrong with me because literally people thought that she had a heart defect, a brain tumor. Why did she just collapse? And then I was literally diagnosed with burnout. Now two thousand seven burnout was not a term much in use. But it turned out to be an incredible gift because I decided that That I really now wanted to make this part of my life. Say that this epidemic of burnout that I started seeing was everywhere was completely unnecessary, it was unnecessary suffering.

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  22. I do. I mean, I collapsed, but from sleep deprivation and from buying into this collective delusion that in order to succeed it was two years into building the Huffington Post I was the divorced mother of two little girls and I had bought into this delusion that in order to be super founder and super mom I didn't have the luxury to take care of myself.

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  23. Fantastic. So everything has changed, but it's changed very fast. 2016 when I wrote the book, people were still bragging about sleep deprivation.

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  24. Multiplier, a productivity multiplier since then, you know, Satya Natella has written about it, a lot of CEOs have written about a lot of founders in Silicon Valley now. People have gone from bragging about how sleep deprived they are. I'm wearing my order ring.

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  25. So I said to him you must write about it he said, which I used to say to everybody. And he said, no, no, no, no. He said, I'm a private man. I don't need to write about it. I said, please write about it. It's not for you. It's going to help so many people who want to be you. to realize that they don't need to be asleep deprived and exhausted. So I literally bagged him, texted him for like three months until finally he wrote about it, I think, to get me off his back. And it was amazing. He wrote about it on Thrive that we had just launched Thrive. It was everywhere, CNBC, the Wall Street Journal. He was one of the first CEOs to write about sleep as a performance body.

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  26. Maybe stay up all day and night, sleep with my phone in case something happens in the middle of the night. And all the science now makes it very clear that when we are depleted we are going to make bad decisions. It's so funny because one night I was at a dinner and Jeff Bezos that was when I was writing my book on sleep and so I was asking everybody about their sleep habits. So asking what his sleep habits and he said I sleep eight hours a night. I said you do. Tell me about it. Why? He said because I'm judged by the quality of my decisions, not the quantity of my decisions. And I have noticed the difference because he's very data driven. When I have six hours of sleep, my decisions are not as good.

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  27. So I would now start Whither founder or the CO Put your own oxygen mask on first. Very often, you know, you're a founder, you think I need to stay up. Stephen, is that you?

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  28. It's amazing. So, you know, even the New York Times had done then what it's doing now so successfully, you know, having a great digital presence. There would have been no room for the Huffington Post. So basically that's the innovator's dilemma, super successful incumbents miss the moment because they are super successful incumbents.

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  29. I did actually. I think what happened is that We made it work, we showed it worked very quickly, despite that bad review. And we kept experimenting. I think the mistake often is you build something successful and you stay there and we never stayed there. Like we launched with politics and news. But very quickly we had a dozen other verticals. Including sleep, we had a vertical on sleep, we had lifestyle verticals, we had sports verticals, we had gay gay vertical. So we kept expanding. Then we build our journalism operation. We won a Pulitzer, we launched in eighteen countries, so it was a constant expansion. What happened is that again you know that Clay Christian book The Innovator's Dilemma

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  30. You win the match because you don't carry the points you missed with you to the next point you are playing. And a lot of the best athletes I'm We have a lot of athletes who are investors in Thrive because I believe athletes are a great role model for what we are teaching, which is that Recovery is part of peak performance. And like Andre Gudala, who is an investor, he talks about the same thing that Roger Federer talks about. It's very important when he makes a mistake, when he misses something, not to ruminate about it. Because when you ruminate about it then you are not fully present.

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  31. Yes, it's really powerful. It's really powerful when it comes from a master. Somebody who's so incredibly successful at his

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  32. Yeah, because he He talked about how He only made half the shots, half the points, you know, and with the hears this great tennis player and you're not going to get them all right. He said the most important thing is to be 100% focused on the point. And then the next point, not to carry it with you

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  33. And moving on You know Roger Federer gave a commensurate speech recently I don't know if you saw it which was amazing I saw it

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  34. Here's the thing it felt bad It felt really bad, but I think it's okay to feel bad. Again, going back to your book, we want to be comfortable all the time, so what's wrong with feeling bad occasionally? I love the way children are. Do you notice how a child is upset about something it could be as important as not being allowed to have this ice cream cone or as equally important as falling, whatever? They cry they rage, and two minutes later you look at them and it's over. I don't believe in growing a thick skin I want to be permeable something bad happened, something upsetting happens, experience it, feel it, don't do what I call a spiritual bypass. You know, people who Consider themselves spiritual as I do, often like act as though nothing is bothering them. And that's not true. That's not human. So experiencing it, filling it

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  35. So that was kind of the The Arbening Review A year later the writer of this review emailed me and said I was wrong the Havington Post changed How we consume news and I would like to write for you and again going back to no grudges no resentments I said we would love you to.

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  36. On any thought you have any idea you have, you wake up and you want to react to the news of the day. You can just publish it on the Huffington Post. And we promise that we're going to treat it with respect. We had moderators from the beginning so that people couldn't just trash each other. What happened with the internet down the road? And so when we launched day one we had Larry David and Ellen DeGenerous and Nora Efron and Walter Cronkite who had like an incredible lineup of people on the news of the day, on things they cared about, and And also on the same day we had a review which was so devastating I learnt it by heart. It said the Huffington Post is an unsurvivable failure. It is the movie equivalent of Gilli Ishtar and Heaven's Gate rolled into one. I don't know if you know any of these movies, but they were all flops.

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  37. Because all my life I've been fascinated by what we call the zeitgeist, like the spirit of the times, and I could see That everything was moving online. And that conversations were moving online. And yet people were making fun of it. You remember it was the early days when people were joking about people who couldn't get a job, blogging from their parents' basements. And I wanted to bring my friends, people who were writing physical books who could be published by the New York Times or the London Times, I want to bring them online. And so I actually wrote an email to five hundred friends and not so close and invited them to write blog on the Havington Post and I said

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  38. Give up our grudges and resentments because obviously if there were no grudges and resentments and problems we would still be married. It's so interesting, Stephen, to look at the science of forgiveness. When we forgive, our stress levels go down, can you believe our cholesterol level? You know, the connection between forgiveness and our physical and mental health is enormous And that's why I am so much against cancel culture. Because it's a culture that gives up on forgiveness, on redemption, on giving people a chance to learn from mistakes and evolve and grow, which is after all what life is about.

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  39. Yes, and our marriage lasted for eleven years. Nora Efron, you know, who was this wonderful writer who was also an editor at the Havingdon Post, she used to say, marriage comes and goes, but divorce is forever. And what she meant by that is that if you have children, their relationship never ends because you are still parenting together. Our marriage didn't work, but we have a great divorce. Like we go on vacation together. We are really good friends, we are close as a family. So I think this is kind of really important, given that 50% of marriages end in divorce. And the hardest thing is What happens to the children? And so anything we can do.

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  40. You know, it has gotten me extremely interested Any form of cognitive decline and learning a lot about it because millions of people are suffering from it and it's affecting everybody they love. Who loves them? And what is so interesting is to see the impact that how we live has on cognitive decline. Obviously there are genetic factors. But behaviors, how we live, how we sleep, the stress levels in our lives, what we eat also have a huge impact on our Dementia, Alzheimer's, any form of decline.

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  41. Yes, the last time I saw him when I was in London. I'm arranged to see him and I'm It's a terrible disease. No matter what I said was There was absolutely no recognition.

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  42. To get away from him And again, you know how sometimes something in life that goes wrong? leads to a lot of amazing things that go spectacularly right. And that's in a way what happened with me. I mean, obviously it was incredibly hard and painful. I'm not minimizing it. But coming to New York led to meeting my husband, having my children launching the Huffington Post, you know, launching Thrive. So basically. That happened to me, so many great things that happened in my life happened because a man wouldn't marry me. good to remember that.

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  43. He just didn't want to have children. He really He was very stark on his life, you know, writing, opera, travel. A lot of things we love doing together. So I took the decision and because I didn't trust myself to stay in London, I knew I wouldn't stay away, I literally left London and moved to New York.

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  44. I was very clear that I wanted to have children. I have a lot of great friends who don't want to have children, and they are perfectly happy. Not everybody. Wants or should have children, but I knew I wanted to have children. I knew that this was part of a fulfilling life for me.

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  45. I definitely wanted to marry him and have children with him. He wanted to have cats. He had no intent, he didn't want to get married. He would have been happy to stay with me for the rest of his life, but I really wanted to have children and he didn't.

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  46. Yes, I fell in love with him before I met him. He was a famous columnist for the London Times, and I used to cut his columns and literally underlined them, read them by heart because he was a phenomenal writer. He really taught me how to write, I mean, even before he knew me. He was twice my age and half my size But love is blind, and then there was a show on the BBC called Face the Music. And when I was elect president of the Cambridge Union, I was invited to take part, I was a classical music buff, so was he, and that's where we met. And he invited me to dinner two weeks later, and I prepped for dinner. Like I read everything he was writing about Northern Ireland and the Soviet Union. Trust me, we didn't talk about any of that, but I had done all my prep. And we were together for seven years.

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  47. Absolutely, yes. And you can't keep all your options open forever because then You have too many plans. I mean, I love what you said in your book about go all in to plan A. Don't kind of keep a back door open for plant B.

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  48. Yeah, and it's so important in the context of life, like friendships, relationships. Obviously career choices for their choices about what you are not doing while you are choosing to do this.

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  49. I wanted to be a journalist. And I had started economics when I And I think of everything I was taught in my economics degree, the thing that has still stayed with me is the concept of the opportunity cost. That any time you do something you are foregoing doing something else

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  50. Well, that's why it's so important to build that pathway. your heart to your own knowing yourself. I mean in your book you write about these four pillars and you start with the self. Right then you quart Leonardo da Vinci and so many of the wise men and women we admire talk about that. You know, know thyself. The unexamined life is not worth living. These are all ways of reminding us that if we are not connected with our own center Then we're at the mercy of every new fad and whatever is in social media that we are affected by If we build that connection with And strengthen that trust, then everything changes.

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