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  1. I used to be afraid of teenagers, and a teenager can still cut me a certain way by looking at me like I'm not cool. But man, I'm so impressed. I met so many teenagers recently who have been following what we're doing. And I'm just like, oh my God, when I get old, it's going to be awesome because you're going to be there. That's so great. You're going to take care of me. I'm really stoked. Yeah.

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  2. They teach me truly they are so deeply rooted in a value that understands and fights against that as wrong. And they are leading the way with just a little bit of guidance from me in how they're moving that value and that voice to a conversation that names it, that shames it, and that ultimately is going to overcome it or at least overcome it in a way that allows us to regain the kind of power that can suppress it and put it back into that closet that it was in before Donald Trump let it out and everybody started wearing it loud and proud as they do right now.

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  3. That's not a badge of honor. He's a Jackass, but he went after me and he goes, Kara Swisher, the elitist who went to private schools and this and that, and she's untalented. And my mom, who watches Fox News and watches Tucker Carlson, first of all, Tucker Charlerson went to, I checked into it and did the reporting, went to a private school that was seven times more expensive than my private school. So I was and went to a more expensive call. And I was like, you are so much more elitist than I was. I mean, I'm elitist, sure. But it was a really interesting thing. And what got my mom, though, was, well, you're not untalented. That's just not true. And I go, you know, maybe the things they're telling you are just not true. It was an interesting moment. Anyway, last quick question. Anybody else right here? Very quick.

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  4. I just wrote a com The Times about having a stroke, which I had seven years ago. So, one of the things I said is I just don't have time for this. Like, no, you don't get to get away with it and you don't have time to be so fucked up about whatever you're doing on social media or whatever. But one of the things that happened with me just really on Tucker Carlson went after me for some reason, that guy

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  5. No, exactly. Let me just tell you, I don't think we should try to get along. I just think we should win. That's all. I don't know. Part of me is like... I know it sounds terrible, but

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  6. Well, it's a really good question because I think one of the most important questions we need to grapple with and one of the hardest ones to figure out what the answer is. Probably everyone in this room has someone in their family who has been, and I believe this, brainwashed by Fox News, my brother, who I grew up with, of course I grew up with him. He's my brother. I have three siblings, and he's only 15 months older than I am, and we were so close growing up. We grew up in the same family with the same struggles. And my brother moved away to Tennessee, and he started watching Fox News, and I don't even know him anymore. I love him so much, and it breaks my heart.

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  7. But I think they do go, oh, you know, I'm a nice person. Like, I don't care. You're still doing horrible things to the country or something. Like, that's the move and the progressives tend to go, oh, leaning in and then bang. Yeah. So I'm a little bit more, no, I'm not leaning into you people at all.

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  8. See, I think the right play is the left all the time because I thought it always goes, oh, I want to understand the right We get played every day in the friggin' week

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  9. I'm fascinated by it. And so, like, you know, you can sell almost anything to almost anyone, I mean, to anyone. There's not one person, you know, depending on how much they make or what their worth is, all of that can be sold something. My opinion of Trump is what it is. But beyond that, the reason the fact that he was able to tap into a certain group like this, people are upset because of this, the cover of Is it GQ with the American boy cover, people are really upset about that. I'm actually like, I want to read this. I understand where they're coming from and we, you know, idealistic for me is us all working together and all living together and having parody. It's not like black people take over the world, which would be still cool party, cool party. But it's not that. Have this idealistic view of things, so I want to understand.

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  10. I mean, he is, right? I tend to just get in the fetal position and watch Rachel Maddow and pretend that she's stroking my forehead and telling me it's going to be okay. But I also, I do watch Fox every once in a while because I want to know what people are hearing and I want to empathize with them and understand how they could believe this thing. And, you know, I mean, I think it also helps a little that I grew up in a cult because I understand cult behavior. Tell another story.

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  11. I don't know if we can, and I think our country's always been that way, back to the time of Hamilton and Washington. There were newspaper competing. The whole idea of the press being in the middle is a new phenomenon, and I don't think it's ever really been true. One thing the right wing has done really well is use the internet because they were pretty much zeroed out from the major networks. The major networks were centrist liberal, kind of liberal-ish, liberalite kind of stuff. And so I think that it's really hard when you get, especially when you have someone like President Trump who really just keeps repeating untrue lies constantly. I think people sort of like, We have to sort of equalize things, and it's really hard when someone doesn't mind doing that and does it a lot. Socio? Yeah.

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  12. Mother watches Fox News like all the time. One time, I was caught in her apartment during a snowstorm, and it was on full play all the time. And I literally, by the end of it, I was homicidal. So I see they're very deaf at propaganda. That's what it is. Come on, read the Jane Maher piece. Come on, stop. And by the way, look, the New York Times is liberal. They are. They are. Well, they're sort of center liberal. Something. But I think that.

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  13. They do. They do. They get licked up and down all day, and then they think they hung the moon, and then I'm like, you didn't. And I was there when you didn't have any money. And I was there when this was happening. And don't pull that crap with me. And I think it, I don't know. I don't know. I wouldn't do an interview with me. In any case, another question, please, right here.

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  14. Yeah, I don't know why. They're stupid. I can't tell you why. I think a lot of people don't ask the direct question. I think the direct question is always the best question, and it's what people want to know, and I think it's really important. And I also don't treat them. I don't lick them up and down all day like most people. And I knew them.

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  15. Yes, that's it. Okay, that's it. Cool. That's it. Anyway, I think people want to ultimately tell the truth. Ultimately, and it's sort of like that movie with Tom Cruise, you know, when he goes, you know, tell me the truth, you know, that whole scene.

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  16. Well, that's part of it too. Yeah, like sometimes when a really powerful person goes, oh, I should come on your podcast. I'm like, I don't know And then they're like, but I want to. I'm like, maybe.

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  17. I don't know better. I don't know better because they're billionaires. They've done very well. But I do talk to more people. And so when they start down the road, you know, they go down bullshit avenue or obfuscation lane. I go, no, no, no, no. And they're like, uh-oh. Like, what does she know? Maybe she doesn't realize. And then they don't know what I know. And I think it's a really very good weapon in that regard because I actually do know. So when they tend to do that, I tend to stop them.

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  18. And instead of a lot of reporters tend to bait around the bushes, like, you know, I hear, Mark, that there are some issues around privacy. At face And I'm like, what the fuck are you doing? Like that kind of thing. And I think people appreciate that. Because you're like, you're not hiding the question. And I think that's probably one of the reasons. The other one is I know more than they do. I just do. I know I talked.

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  19. do but okay I think there's two things one mark andreessen has a theory that it's Stockholm syndrome in Silicon Valley and so they just don't know what to do but talk to them

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  20. Yeah, respect. That's it. You know, it's interesting because I don't know why Mar Sucker keeps talking to me. It's not good for him. It never is. It ends badly. And the last time with the Holocaust or deniers, I was like, when he started going down that road, by the way, he was saying Holocaust deniers don't mean to lie. And so I just let him keep talking. I was like

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  21. I think it's important, though, to shame the powerful almost continually. I think it's great. They're very, it's very easy to do. Negging works particularly well as you move up the billionaire scale. Something I often do is sometimes I objectify them. Did you gain five pounds? I gotta tell it works.

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  22. Grateful to them, but mostly I'm just all about us just doing it ourselves. We don't need permission to be in a home that we partially own ourselves. And so the allyship and even the people who are oppressing, I like that they're becoming more awkward. I do it'll make for a better party when we jam, but we're going to do it either way.

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  23. I agree completely, and my first answer to myself was both. It's a combination. Lena Waith says it best when she talks about allyship. She says, get out, get out the way. Get out the way and let us do our thing. But it's both because there is that responsibility of those who do have privilege. And by the way, we all have privilege. We have some privilege. Everyone in this room has a different privilege. So it's my responsibility not to only focus on myself and what I'm working on, but to also kind of listen and be sure that I'm looking and the elevator thing, sending it back down or up or side to side. But most important, I love allies and I care about them and I'm very

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  24. I think that's right. I used to tell Cheryl she should have called it lean in and fall over because that's the experience of most people. But Arlen?

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  25. Part of my own story. I'm sure Arlen could talk about this from her amazing life story that she's had. But the obstacles that are in the way of women and particularly women of color are not there because of some failure on our part. And the idea that we just aren't doing enough, and if we will just present ourselves better and do more, then we can accomplish it completely gives a pass to the structures that have been in place, the systemic structures that have held women and women of color particularly back. And unless and until we take those on and force changes in them, we're not going to have the opportunity to even be in the room that lets us lean in, right?

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  26. So, I really liked what Arlen said a minute ago about white women and the evolving role of understanding how it is that we own responsibility for making sure that we are not just setting the table, but instead making room at the table and saying here's your half, what do you want to do with it? So part of it is recognizing power and privilege and the role that you play in it, right? And making sure that you are taking the time and doing the work to not lift other people up, but to give them the space to be able to lift themselves. And I remember reading Charles Sambird's book, and I had this visceral reaction to it. Maybe it's

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  27. This is a really good point. I think it's really interesting observing just listening to you. One of the things that they always say about women who are super tough or say things out loud or aloud. They're like, oh, those women don't give a fuck. They say it about me a lot. Other people. I think what the real issue is we give all the fucks. Yeah. Every woman that I mean, like, you don't not give a fuck. We give all of them. And I think that's a very big differential. Okay, questions from the audience. Put up your hands. We have a mic. Please ask questions of these women Right here

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  28. And I don't think we will, but we also can't be beaten down by those people on the sidelines who are truly on the sidelines not doing anything, throwing at us their opinions. And so I'll close it by saying something that, again, once again, I'll quote my mom. She said this to me. She was quoting something that she didn't know where the quote came from. But she told me this while she was talking about a medical situation she was in. And she said to me, The seed does not always see the petal. And of course, you know, it was emotional and everything. But if you think about that, think all of what we're going through right now, even though we're early in this, all of it is for something. And if we get distracted by mediocre people telling us what we're doing wrong, we've completely Lost the plot ourselves.

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  29. I think when I think about the next few years, for us to be successful, we have to cut out the noise. We have to also realize, let's not rewrite history. Why Combinator in its first year was a few poorly dressed nerds in a room eating chili. And they then had time, resources, space to breathe, all of that. And that is what why you have Airbnb and Dropbox and all of these wonderful companies now. And it's why they do will so much power. And we respect them and kind of emulate them in some ways. So we're, however many years or months into this renaissance as women of color and other underrepresented, underestimated people, we can't get complacent.

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  30. Ability to push through fear And to center yourself around something that's bigger than you. You believe in so strongly as Lady Bird Johnson would say you forget to be afraid. That I think is our great challenge, but also our great opportunity because if we can gain the ability to do that, We are capable of doing anything. And to go back to what I said earlier, a big problem that we have in the political context is that people have been conditioned to believe that their voices won't matter. And it's taught them over time not to participate. And so our great challenge is to continue to

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  31. I would say it's fearlessness, but it's not really fearlessness because everyone feels fear. And when you're doing hard things, no matter if it's in the political world, the financial world, you feel fear. The real challenge

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  32. Finish up, we're going to have some questions from the audience to get ready for about 10 or so minutes for questions. But what do you think the key things are for, this is called Against All Odds. I'm not sure I kind of understand that, but what do you think the key things you need to do today in the areas you're in? Like you said you're not going to pay attention anymore. What do you think the key attributes would you say for people to be successful in each area is Wendy? Why don't you start?

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  33. Jason Kalicenis once said that he was, again, I think he might have had some good intentions, but foot and mouth disease. But he said, you know, I'm going to lower what you need to do is lower your standards so you can invest more people of color or something really stupid. He said, and I said I may lower my standards and have coffee with you and tell you why that's wrong.

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  34. And I was like, and so then I said, why is it the word standard only comes up when it's mentioning women, people of color? And it's never the 10 white guys who have been running Twitter into a wall for years now. It was really interesting. It's a really interesting thing. Not to say that you couldn't screw up or you couldn't screw up, but it was a really interesting.

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  35. Which was a great lead, I thought so, but one of the things Dick called me, who was Dick Costolo and said it was so good. He's like, all right, first of all, that's really unfair, but very funny, which is why I liked it Costelo. And he said, well, it's not fair to do this. And I said, it's mathematically impossible that this happened, that you have the same exact people on the board. And he said, and I say this all the time, and he said it, he said, well, you know, we have standards. That's the thing they tend to say. Yeah.

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  36. No, no, it was the best lead I ever rode. I should have retired after it. It was a story about the board of Twitter, and I said, here on the board of Twitter, which has a three-peters and a dick, which was such a good, and they did. They actually did.

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  37. I've heard that you, I've heard about several women funds, and it's often by someone who just sucks. Absolutely. And what's interesting is someone who actually did said something about you, and I think another woman's fund. And I said, well, you really suck, actually. And they were like, what? And I go, you really suck. If they suck, you really suck. Oh, yeah, exactly. Like, you know, if you want to do it on that curve. And that was a really interesting thing. They're like, well, it's just my opinion. I see your opinion's stupid, but let's move along. That's the deck. It's sort of like when you talk to a board, like, you know, when they had the Twitter board, I think I wrote a story saying all men and no women of the Twitter board when they had 10 white guys on it.

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  38. Sure, because a couple of things I was bold and I said this is, I believe this is going to work and people want to see results. But also some people want to stand against the wall, do nothing, and put their foot out And I'm Jackie Darryl Carson. No, I heard that. I overheard that.

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  39. They don't understand that you can't start a movement doing things the old way. And have never even attempted something as bold on their own. So I think about the source and a lot of that insecurity is theirs. I don't have that insecurity for myself when it comes to what we're doing. I hold myself, however, to a very high standard. And I know the milestones and the KPIs that we must hit, and our opinion, as a fund and as a firm. And that is what's important to us and to our portfolio and to our LPs. Our LP, if you're not writing a check and you're not an LP, you know, I'm not having that conversation necessarily with them. But absolutely to answer your question, since almost day one, it has been double standard all the time. What's going on?

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  40. Earlier than anybody else than anyone else, I sat with this guy as a friend of mine. He's a white venture capitalist, has a little less than $100 million under management. He had on his long shorts and probably all birds. And he sat in my office one day and very casually told me how he's in his fifth year and has had no exits, had nothing like that, having a great time though, making some great decisions, in my view, and how he got $15 million with sight unseen on the next fund. And the fact that I have those conversations and I know what's really happening, I know what's really happening behind closed doors and venture, allows me not to take that from people who are outside, who anyone who's challenged how we're doing things, our track record, any of that, A, don't have our vision.

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  41. Do you need to have a massive hit to become legitimate? Do you think there's lots of VCs that sort of have good? And do you get that ability to do that? Right.

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  42. In the world, do we need to be having a conversation wasting our time talking about this lady and I wasting our time talking about what I'm wearing when she and I could be making power moves together. We're talking about because you don't think that she was saying out in that world they're going to eat you alive if you don't dress apart. And, you know, they stole hoodies from us. I'm dressed for part. So, as far as looking, and then in general, the way I speak and the way I handle myself. What my thing is what I am in life. I try to do no harm. I think of myself as a kind person. I'm trying, you know, I have the best intentions, I think. Sometimes I will call people out because it's like, see something, say something. That's my mom taught me that early. Right. See something, say something. But I'm not out to get anybody. I'm not out to...

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  43. I was crushed by that, and I walked out, and I was like for a split second. I said, is this how it's going to have to be? Do I need to, I guess I'll go and check out some clothes that are different. It just felt so wrong. And then about two blocks out, I was like, no way. That's crazy. And it was literally... Two or three days later that Mark Andreessen invested in me for the first time. He invested in me all three funds. And I don't think Mark cared what I was wearing, what color I was wearing,

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  44. This is who I am, and it needs to be different. It needs to be a shakeup. What's happening is not working so far. And for diversity efforts and other things. So I don't feel, I had one time where a black woman who was very successful and who I think she was very well meaning, she told me, I walked into her office, I thought she might invest. This was in New York maybe two or two years or plus. And I walked in and I was forgot she saw a picture of me in a blue shirt or something. And I thought we were going to have a meeting about investing in her, she can ask me about that. And she said, first of all, I don't need to see you in blue anymore. You're never going to raise money if you don't dress the part, if you don't dress better, if you don't, if you can't wear what you're wearing, like this, right? And I do believe it was well-meaning because I feel like she had felt she had to do the part. And I

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  45. You can just fuck you is usually a good thing. Okay, you can start with that and move on up the stack. But when you don't look like that, has that changed affecting your fundraising affecting? Do you change differently? Like Wendy's now going to say, you're not going to defend your, you're not going to even say I'm a good man. I'm not even going to defend it. I'm not going to defend it. Like it's ridiculous.

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  46. Or whatever the hell and disgusting intermittent fasting with me in a way. Literally, I'm like, I'm not interested in any way by your eating schedule and you need to stop talking to me about it. And they keep talking. And finally, the way I got them shut them down was, you know, when men talk about, have talked about food like this, they have an eating disorder. When men, it's intermittent fasting.

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  47. Well, it's an interesting thing. I just recently interviewed Hillary Clinton, and one of the things I asked about was the creepy thing Trump behind her. And I'm like, why didn't you turn around and say back off or something like that? And she explained it. She thought that it would cause all kinds of problems if she had said, which was a creepy guy hovering behind her, that she would get more flack because of that. But in not saying anything, she accepted what was happening, which was a creepy guy hovering behind her that she didn't defend herself against. Arlen, when you're thinking about that, like not looking the part of a venture capitalist, how do you don't look like any venture capitalist? If you do, you do to me to me, but you're not wearing the bad slacks and the air.

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  48. To a huge democratic event in Austin, both of whom read their heartfelt remarks that they wrote about the fact that their mom was a good mom and that they loved me and felt supported by me and I felt so angry in that moment that my daughters had gotten put in that position. What I would do differently is I would just call it for the baloney, to say the politest word I can think of that it is. And I would hope and I think we would have more women calling it out too. Other women on social media and otherwise who would say we're not interesting thing.

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  49. You know, I would handle it differently by calling it for what it is. At the time, I'll just give you an example. So one of the things that they really went after me about was what was I considered one of my strengths as a person running for office, that I had come from poverty, that I had been a single mom, that I had worked two jobs and gone to college and ultimately made my way to Harvard Law School and did the things that I did. I saw that and it had previously been a strength for me in my Senate race, for example, my state Senate race. But they took my biography and they just shredded it. And they made me look like I was a bad mom that somehow I had abandoned my children. And I remember so distinctly my two daughters having to come

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  50. Struggle for error. That's tough, you know, and I feel almost a responsibility in some ways to show young women, yeah, I really got beaten hard with that stick and it hurt and it was painful, but I'm strong enough to rise up over that and to not let them have the final victory over me, right? Because if we allow misogyny to defeat us as women candidates in that way, if we prove to them that that's a successful strategy not only to beat us, but to take us down forever more, then we're empowering it. And I don't want to be a part of empowering that. So it's something that gives me pause, of course, because I know what it felt like, but it also gives me that differently.

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