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Barbara Brown Taylor

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  1. I'm fully in the present moment when something happens that gets past my intellectual net and affects my whole physical being. Fabulous food, an unexpected scent, the drift of a song on the air, an overheard conversation, anything that escapes the net of my rational frontal lobe and affects me physically so that I get a head-to-foot experience of what it is to be here now in this body. Thank you. Thank you.

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  2. Light is sometimes blinding, sometimes it is too much for me. So light is warmth when I'm cold. Light makes the food grow that I want to grow, but light can also be too much. Light can be burning. I experience being burned by light. So I prefer my light balanced with darkness. And I love Twilight and Sunrise the best. I like the liminal times.

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  3. Compassion is the willingness to laugh with others when they laugh and weep with others when they weep and a lot in between. So for me compassion is to, it's literally to suffer with, but I think that's also to suffer joy with other people. It is for me empathy, clear and simple. I think empathy is the most important human. Capability Darkness is a place of unknowing where I am out of control and I may be vulnerable to danger and I may be vulnerable to divine revelation. It is the place where I am least able to protect myself and therefore may be most open to being transformed.

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  4. Oh, my greatest joy is seeing my Jack Russell Terrier when I get home because he is happier to see me than any other human being. I know that's a small joy, but you haven't met him. And if you had met him

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  5. I believe in the goodness of the human heart for all I have been taught about people's inherent corruption or sinfulness, for all I have been taught about the dangerousness and badness of the world. I believe in the goodness of the human heart and I believe that every day in a thousand ignored ways people are acting redemptively in each other's lives. We're not paying as much attention as we could to that.

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  6. The world needs So distracted. We're so concentrated on something else out there in the future, being someone else, looking some other way, doing something else for a living, having a better house. And that seems to me what the world needs now is people willing to stand on that red X under their feet and say, what is the best that I can make of this situation right now?

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  7. I'm supposed to know. And all I know, no, I don't know anything. So if learning to walk in the dark is learning more and more to accept there are places of unknowing than what happens after we die is a huge place of unknowing for me. There are enough people in my life whom I respect who tell me there's something and even they can be vague on the details. But that seems to me ultimately extremely faithful. I think of that as the most faithful agnosticism there is to say that whatever happens after death is so beyond me, my brain is not big enough. I love hearing people talk about what they think. I do not know. And it seems enough to make that the giant trust walk.

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  8. That I will never be all that I want to be, I will never be as intelligent, as Erudite, as learned, fill in the blanks as I want to be. And what I am will turn out to be enough.

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  9. For me, religion is the compendion, the treasury of wisdom that a religious tradition has pulled into a treasury, stories and hymns and sacred texts and lives of saints and heretics and terrible mistakes that the tradition has made. And so religion is the treasury of a tradition. Spirituality is the individual hunger or lack of the individual energy toward what use will I make of those treasuries. Sometimes think of religion as the trampoline, but spirituality is where I'll go. What does that look like in practice in a life? How is that lived out?

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  10. Yes. Yes. It is. I think I might at this point be sort of maybe Indian in my thought, but I did see one of your former guests who talk about being a cup of God, and that is very much my sense. And that's what I mean in Christian terms when I say seeing in the face of the other, a face of God, is I do believe it is the space within. Skin's kind of an illusion. It's hugely important. But at some point in the best moments, The me escapes my skin and is embracing. It holds things in nicely

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  11. Beyond my conception, divine consciousness, the space between the stars that is also the space between you and me that is liquid and alive with possibilities. It is not a old man on a cloud.

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  12. Oh, that's not fair without about two weeks' notice, but isn't that a great question? It is fantastic. Whenever we start a religion class, I'll say, what do you mean when you say God? Say God, yeah. And they just blank faces. But what I mean when I say God is some...

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  13. They are different. And that's just in my dictionary. But in my dictionary, the spirit has a capital S, and it is greater than me. It inspires, leads, talks to, aids my intuition, pushes me, pulls me. But the soul, S-O-U-L, is much more my creation. My choices shape my soul. It is smaller or larger day by day, depending on what I feed it, how much air I give it. But that feels more small S.

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  14. All I know is that the soul bears my scent, S-C-E-N-T somehow. It has fingerprints on it. The Spirit may be not. The Spirit may be a large thing that blows in and through and out the other side of me. But the soul bears my identity in some way. It has my scars. It has some version of my scars. It is not up in the sky somewhere. It is intertwined with my physical life on earth, people I've loved.

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  15. That you are presently being given to live. In other words, it's why I resist the journey metaphor sometimes that spiritual or religious people use. I'm on a journey. If I'm on a journey, it's all about the destination. I'm not there yet. I'll be there one day. The train will pull into the station. But I'm really interested in the walking. I'm really interested in the companion on the road. I'm really interested in where I'm standing right now. So I have no argument with greatness. But if that becomes an excuse for dismissing my life now because I haven't found that great purpose yet, that's a waste of a day, if not a life, I think.

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  16. Right. It's so true. And I think sometimes I have no argument with greatness. I'm all for greatness. I'm all for too. But I think to be focused on greatness may be a way of avoiding living the life.

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  17. Yes, yes, and then enjoy the storms if you live through them because they'll make the best stories later. They'll make much better stories. Oh, and it makes sense

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  18. See, if I had a formula, here's what I think. We can hear the calling. There is a message, but it's folded into your life and it speaks to you in your language. And so all I can say is don't ever give up hunting and listening because it will speak to you today. And I highly resist formula and I highly resist three things or five pieces of advice because I just don't think lives act that way. It's a sailboat ride.

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  19. Moving forward. Right. And if it has to be for a lifetime, we're failing all the time, right? Because we ditched that calling to pick up on another one.

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  20. The big one. Yeah, you're bivocation or whatever you do if you're doing that. You're absolutely right. And so I have relational callings. I have professional callings. I have a number of different callings. And I also think it's possible to be called away from things I have been called to in the past. But I've been powerfully called to some things and just as powerfully called away from them. So I think that's important too. There are goodbyes as well as hellos in our callings.

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  21. I think so, and anyone who doesn't want to read a 16th century monk can read Gerald May, who has also written on this subject, and so has Thomas Moore. I think it's really good to have a guide because this is a reframing of Dark Knight of the Soul. No one I know prays. Please God, give me a dark night of the soul. I am here waiting. Nobody spring for that one. But I do think there are people who have reframed that so that if I find myself in one, I can go to some guides, to some sages who have told me ways I could live with that and maybe even work with that in ways that would be transformative.

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  22. He said it was. He said it was. And that was such a surprise to me. He saw it as the way that his illusions about God were stripped away and he was left with the pure love of God alone with no benefits, absolutely no benefits. He was thrown in a dungeon by his own brothers, I think largely for working with a woman, Teresa Vavila, but he would not obey his superior's orders to stop working with her. So everything that had brought him life that far had been taken away. And he experienced his dark night as a purification, a burning away of everything unnecessary. And there's quite a lot of sensual language in that book and not a lot of language about religion, which is pretty interesting. So the dark night for him was not what he thought.

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  23. I think I steal this notion from someone, but I can't remember who spiritual bypassing. There have been things I've been taught that when anything gets too dark, I can use some religious teaching, some Bible verse to get out of their fast. Quick, quick turn on the lights or leave that room as quickly as possible. And there are people who do spiritual bypassing. I wouldn't mess with them for the world because some students in my classes are dealing with things I've never dealt with. And the spiritual bypassing. You want to go straight to Easter. You know, you want to go right around Good Friday in Christian tradition and there are parallels and all the others as well. But I'm not sure there's a way.

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  24. That's my definition of what it is to be a person of faith even. I know that's not enough for most people, but the major religions I'll talk about what it is to be human. That's hugely important to me. And I stick fully human in there because there are all kinds of ways to be human and there are plenty of days I want to be less than human And days I'm tempted to be more than human and to be fully human is a nice in between.

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  25. Right now, right this minute. I am a woman of a certain age, and I've been very productive in my life, and the ordinary is calling to me like it has never called to me before. I think what is saving my life now is cooking the organic produce. My husband hauls up from the garden. It is the slowed down ordinary things of life to have a friend. The life I've lived is not conducive to friendship. And if friendship isn't a spiritual practice, I don't know what it is. So this moment, what is saving my life now is Sabbath while I practice what it means to be human on the days I'm not being productive. And I don't want to give up the productive days, but the ordinary is.

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  26. It's a great question, and it has to be asked almost every day Shifts. It's not the same thing. It's certainly not the same thing year to year.

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  27. I do the things that I know give me life that I otherwise never take time to do. Read a whole book, cover to cover. Cook a fabulous supper simple for some friends.

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  28. That no package I devise for the divine lasts long. I think the packages have been valuable because I've learned the Christian package very well and from that largely because I teach world religions I've become very interested in other packages Jewish, Muslim, Buddhist, Hindu.

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  29. You do. I was just reading Maya Angelou last night, and she said, People will not remember what you said, and they will not remember what you did, but they will never forget how you make them feel. How you make them feel. And I think that is what I more and more try to concentrate on. When I'm with the saddest child I know, sometimes depending on the child, just to say, oh baby, oh baby, and even a shared tear. And be what that child remembers. So there's, I always think about giving people permission to feel what they're feeling and not having.

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  30. Oh, I think most of us learn warning signals, and some of them are widely publicized when your job, your relationships or your health begin to suffer. It's really time to get some help. And then I have physical signals as well. So I think each of us, it would serve us well to have some idea of what our danger is.

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  31. You really don't want to. But I did find out that's a good word for me I have a high propensity to melancholy and whatever that's about, my cure for melancholy was to quit get back to my yoga class and start watching comedies and to get out of my melancholy as quickly as possible. And while I was working on this book, I very carefully boundaried it, but I thought, no, I'm going to take 30 minutes a day to be melancholic and to see what my sadness is about. What is it I'm sad about?

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  32. Sure, and the emotional was pretty easy. I'm a big reader, though, and it always helps when somebody names something for me. And I got a great big fat book called The Anatomy of Melancholy And it was written a long time ago.

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  33. You know, I think because this all came up for me when I moved from the city to the country, and I was locking my car door, and I lived nine miles from the nearest town that had one stoplight. Nobody but raccoons were going to break into my car. And I was taking a flashlight everywhere I went, and it took about six months to realize these were city behaviors, that I could begin to explore country behavior around the dark, which is actually where the title of the book came from. That cured me of a lot of things that

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  34. I think we'd like life to be a train. You get on, pick your destination, and get off, and it turns out to be a sailboat. And every day you have to see where the wind is and check the currents and see if there's anybody else on the boat with you who can help out. But it's a sailboat ride. And the weather changes and the currents change and the wind changes. It's not a train ride. So that's the hardest thing I've had to accept in my life. I just thought I had to pick the right train and I worked hard to pick the right train. And darned if I didn't get off at the end of it and find out that was just a midway station.

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  35. Oh, I think I love teaching more. I think it's a huge privilege to be with mostly people in their late adolescence, early 20s. They're trying out their lives and the college classroom ends up being a lab for trying things for them. And to be able to be part of that is terrific. You know, those who come in having never been allowed to ask a question, I want them to ask every question they've ever thought of.

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  36. Every time I tell this story, it's a little different because every year I tell it from a different perspective. But I think the truest story is that I went to a little church I loved. I think they liked me well enough and things worked. They were brave enough to call a woman minister to a little town in rural North Georgia and they were fascinating people because in a little town if you don't fit anywhere else you go be an episcopalian because that's just the grab bag of weird people. So it was a love affair, but it meant that we grew and it was a tiny church that seated 82 and before long our growing size became a problem. And I think I couldn't see a way to lead the congregation forward without a building program and debt and things they didn't want to do. So instead I left.

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  37. I think I remember the first pulpit. Mostly it was trying not to faint, you know, and trying to control the knee. So I was a really, I'm not a natural public speaker.

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  38. Spirit is good, body is bad, heaven is good, earth is bad, sacred is good, secular is bad, lot of division, lot of division. That I don't think is helpful, and it's not true to human life.

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  39. I think that's an experience of darkness. See, so does that belong in the folder? Well, in my lexicon. Huh? Uh-huh. And what about you've had some delicious times in the dark with some lovable person? Yeah. That belongs in your darkness file. You have been at some point or another faced with a situation. Mine was my father's death. I thought it would be the most awful, dark experience of my life. And it was. And in the midst of it, there was a dazzling breathtaking clarity of knowing there was no place else I should be than there. So there are tunnels through these experiences.

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  40. Well, see, I wouldn't because that you've just given me your dictionary, your lexicon, your experiential record of darkness. And I wouldn't do a thing with that if you and I had the rest of the afternoon. I would probably ask you about some night you were sitting out under the stars and for a while you looked at them and you got a stomach upset just thinking about where am I in anything this vast and then if you took three breaths there was a moment in which you thought I am a flea on the back of some gigantic thing and at this moment I seem to be being embraced. I don't know if it ever goes there for you but there are times one time and so that that's a kind of tunnel.

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  41. I do a little critical thinking. I think about how did I learn to be afraid of where I am right this minute? And then all of my fear is like a blue flashing light saying there's something here to pay attention to. So you want to go to sleep or do you want to look? And it seems to me more and more insofar as I'm able. And believe me, there are times when everything in me says run and I run. There's something in me that knows when it's too much to handle. Instinct. Instinct says run, run. Okay, so this is the question. Is the presenting itself in Darkness Oh yes to me. I don't know about for anybody else Oh yes to me You know

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  42. And taking action anyway. You have to practice courage. So, how else are we going to practice it? Okay, so You're saying sort of roll around in it, take three breaths, just three. Okay, so the next time something happens, it's scary. Yeah. No matter what that is, how big or small that puts you Because In her book, Return to Love, we're either moving in the direction of love or moving in the direction of fear. When something shows up in your life that causes that fear to rise, take three breaths in the moment. That it shows up, and then what?

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  43. I just don't know how big my soul would be the size of a pee. If I never did anything, I try to do one thing that scares everyone. That's what real courage is being scared in.

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  44. Experience as a human being. It's a lot of the places I would call the places of unknowing. If you say, what do you mean by a dark place, a place of unknowing? Either one I entered voluntarily, I traveled to another country, I became a parent, I don't know how to do this, I don't know how to be in Beijing, I don't know how to be a mother. Involuntarily, my doctor calls me and says, are you sitting down? I have some bad news for you. Or my father dies involved. Or divorce. Yeah. Or your kids get into trouble. All these unknowings that we get plunged into. And because we don't know what we're doing, we think we've just failed. This is defeat. We need to get out of this as fast as possible. Handle this. Move back into the light. And all I'd like to say is just take three breaths, three breaths to be in this place of unknowing and feel your way around and see if there isn't somewhere in here. I don't want to feel my way around because it's scary. I know. And if we continue to live responding out of fear.

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  45. What a concept. It's half your life, whether it's day, night or your emotional life, but it seems to me I have spent a lot more energy trying to manage and avoid that time than I have wondering what might be there for me. My shorthand is, I think, probably the places I least want to go are the richest places for me, the richest treasures hidden there. So you're saying that this whole really obsession that we have with being in the light, you know, I call all of the owners, the carriers of the light, what I want to do with this network is drop pieces of light into people's life because I don't want to bring darkness, but you're saying we should embrace it. Why? I think in some ways you and I could have a long conversation about what we mean by light and dark. What do we put in those folders? Okay. It's just when I examine my

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  46. And growing in our knowledge of our spiritual selves. And this book introduced me to another way of being with the dark. Because I'm one of those people who has feared the dark, the dark side, darkness. Don't let it get too dark. Come in before dark. And every aspect of that, particularly emotional darkness. You want to run from it. Instead, you say you are espousing that we embrace it. That's why learning to walk in the dark is the title. That we embrace the darkness.

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  47. So you wrote a book about leaving the church and your book is really about learning to walk in the dark, which really struck me as fascinating because so many of us fear the dark and not only do we fear the dark, you say we live a solar spirituality. Tell me what you mean by that. Solar spirituality for me is shorthand for any kind of religious faith, Christian or otherwise, that teaches me to stay in the light and flee from darkness of every kind. And it doesn't really define that for me. Emotional darkness, theological darkness, physical darkness, what kind are we talking about? But full solar spirituality wants me to ignore the dark places in my life, get out of them as fast as I can, and to avoid them if possible. But I thought, you know, until I read this book, this is why this is so fascinating, super solars, that we are still evolving.

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