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Barney Frank

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  1. “Spencer Backett was the Republican chairman. And by the way, under George Bush, he had no child left behind. I voted against it, but it was a bipartisan operation. There were other cooperative things that were done. What happened was the Republican Party moved to the right. Barack Obama gets elected, and we have this terrible crisis. And as you said, Barack Obama then has a responsibility of cleaning up the mess he inherited, and the Republican Party benefited from some of this opposition. So to answer your question, yeah, we can get back all we need. It's a big awk, is for the Bob Dolls of the world to take back their party. I was hoping that there would be a very big Democratic win, not just because I'd like to see the public policy that would result, but because it would galvanize the Republicans. I hope they will still be that way. If Hillary Clinton wins, one of the benefits, I hope, will be that the Republicans will take their party back. That's all that needs to happen. You don't need huge changes. You just need people, conservatives who believe in governance arguments.”

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  2. “Prevalent facts. I'm a little more pessimistic. We can't, because people have to understand the dynamic element, look, at 2008, it's not like this is we're talking about the 20th century. In 2008, We had collegiality. We Democrats in control worked with the Republicans.”

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  3. “And you can do something to maybe extend Medicare for people to help them with the health costs and raise the minimum wage and do a few other things. You begin then to persuade a lot of white, middle, and working class people that the government can work for them. And I don't see any other way to get out of that cycle.”

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  4. “Hillary Clinton could break that cycle. One of the things I am sure of, if she wins, as I hope she does, and I believe still that she will, she will be a much better president than people thought. She'll have one asset. She'll benefit from low expectations. And I think if a Hillary Clinton presidency, especially if we take the Senate, which is also very important, we have a chance to begin the process of restoring people's understanding of government. You can't talk them out of being anti. You've got to show them. If she's president and we got a major infrastructure program putting people back to work.”

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  5. “I will be very frustrated if she doesn't mind. I mean, I obviously hope she does. It's not just the harm that Trump will do. Government has been unfortunately discredited. We're in a vicious cycle. People get mad at government. Main goods government has not been able to offset the economic impact of the private market and it's exacerbating inequality. But people get mad so then they vote for people who also don't like the government. And the more they vote for people who don't think government should do anything, the less government doesn't, the matter they get.”

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  6. “Enormously powerful. She and her husband both have been tremendous unremitting supporters of racial equality and racial justice. So, yeah, I believe she's right of the value. Secondly, I think she understands how government works. She has that commitment to it. You know, people forget. He was kind of the left wing of the Clinton administration. People should go back and read about how the Republicans tried to kind of discredit the president by blaming her some. So I think, and she's good at governance. Unfortunately, that's not always an asset.”

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  7. “Of Americans. Now go back to the children's health plan she had. She understand that government is to help people who can do some help on other issues, environmental gay relations. It's true. She was late, as was almost every other body who wanted to be president on marriage. But one of the most emotional moments I remember was in 2000. You know, we've made a lot of progress in LGBT rights. 2000, it was still somewhat chancy. She marched in the gay pride parade in New York City. I will tell you, I was 60-year-old gay man at the time. I felt some of the emotion and I saw it even more among younger people. He was the first lady of the United States. Was Nancy Reagan, Eleanor Roosevelt, Jack Gunn Kennedy, marching in a gay pride parade, marching not adjacent to the guys in the boas and jock straps, but maybe only a couple blocks away.”

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  8. “Oh she is, first of all, for me you remember this, her values are right. She wants to help people she wants government to be an effective force to help people who do not do as well in the private economy as some do. She is a strong.”

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  9. “I think it's frustrating when you've been exonerated. In fact, I asked Kenneth Starr, talk about exonerated, I said, on one of those issues at what date, on what date did you exonerate the Clintons? And he said, I can't give you a date when they were exonerated because there'd never been any evidence to implicate them in the first place. I think that may have been the case. And then you had the, and they get conflated, the emails of the DNC, which were not hers.”

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  10. “He said under oath on the record that there was no evidence that reflected negatively on her on any of those things. So people still remember the accusations.”

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  11. “Two reasons. First of all, as I've said on several occasions, in fact, we couldn't. She is having more success than Any comparable figure. I mean, this is a terrible year to be someone who was identified as having been a responsible public official for a long time. So people want to know what happened to Hillary Clinton. Well, she did a whole lot better than Jeb Bush, who just totally collapsed. David Cameron, Angela Merkel is having problems. I mean, the public and democracies is in a bad mood worldwide. Secondly, she was the victim of, and she's right, a very successful campaign to accuse her of things of which she was innocent. I am frustrated that some in the media still refer to these controversies of the 90s. November of 1998, as a member of the House Judiciary Committee, I questioned Kenneth Starr on everything that had been brought against the Clintons other than Winsky. Whitewater, Vincent Foster, the FBI files.”

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  12. “Occupy Wall Street. I disagree with almost everything the Tea Party said, to my great regret, the Tea Party movement has had much more impact on American politics than Occupy Wall Street because the Tea Party people correctly understood that for them what they needed to do was to get control of the political machinery, to register people to vote, to vote in primaries and influence public policy, occupy Wall Street decided that they would bring about great change by smoking pot and having drum circles. And it turns out voting in primaries is a better way to do it.”

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  13. “and arguably with each other about this but we made the deal. But my objection was more broadly to Senator Sanders' approach. I did not think he had been a very effective member of Congress. And there is this, I do believe that you should clearly idealism comes first. You don't belong. Even if it's not going to bring anything about, and I have been particularly frustrated by those who think that the way to get ahead politically is by demonstrating and marching, and I give the example of the Tea Party and Occupy. I didn't agree with everything Occupy said. I agreed with much of it.”

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  14. “In his 26th year in the Congress of the United States. But what happened was he was, in a dispute with the Congressional Black Caucus, so he dropped his demand for total abolition of the non-elected delegates, and he went to something else. My job was simply to preside over the deal, although there was an interesting aspect to it because he was also a great advocate for transparency. We were at the Wools Committee meeting, and the Clinton and Sanders people had come to an agreement to reduce the number of unelected delegates but not abolish it. And then it turns out the Sanders people couldn't persuade the other Sanders people to vote for it. Senator Vanderputt, and said, we need a recess so we can have a small caucus. I said, okay, but I'm not, if you move for it, okay, I'm not going to unilaterally do that. So we then had a two-hour recess so the Sanders delegates could go off in private.”

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  15. “Absolutism. Right. Although in the rules situation, it worked out because what you had was the key in the rules committee was Senator Sanders' insistence that ex officio delegates be about, people use the phrase super delegates. It's unfortunate. Elected officials. But, you know, ex officio means you get to do one thing because of some other thing you got. So it was elected officials, members of the National Committee. So Sanders position was, let's get rid of them all. And he ran into great opposition from the Congressional Black Caucus, who felt that their ability to go there was very, very important and not have to compete with people in their own districts. Now, Senator Sanders at the time and in the future having decided the Democratic Party, having believed the Democratic Party was not a very good institution, then immediately decided he really should be one of the heads of it. And I have to give him credit to have been able to run as the outsider.”

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  16. “The federal government will advance that, and the sect of the Treasury is then mandated by law to assess every financial institution in America that has fifty billion dollars or more in assets to make up for it. So the difference is they're not too big to fail. They fail, and their debts will be partially repaid by the federal government, but all of that will be totally repaid. But as I said, beyond that, though, we have put in before that a lot of rules that make it much less likely that they'll be so indebted.”

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  17. “But the other thing we did is this. We didn't say nobody is any longer too big to fail. The problem was in 2008 and before, if you were so indebted that you couldn't pay your debts, the federal government then had to step in, many felt, under the Bush administration, because otherwise the consequences would be terrible. So what we said was, okay, if you are so indebted and you can't pay your debts and they are large enough to threaten the financial stability of the country, we will pay some of those debts. We changed the law so you could be selective about paying. You'd pay as much as you need to. But with this, first of all, the institution fails. So if an AIG came to the federal government today and said, we can't pay our debts, first thing is, okay, you're out of business, you're in a receivership, you're all fired. Secondly, we're going to liquidate you in whatever money we get, we're going to pay off the debts. Third, if we still need more money to pay off some of your debts to prevent a crisis,”

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  18. “Right. Of course, that's what we dealt with. The question is not their size, but the size of the indebtedness that they have incurred that they cannot pay off. So what we did was to say in a lot of ways that they cannot become, we made it much harder for them to become indebted beyond their ability to pay off. Well, we started by cutting out the very bad loans or subprime loans. The ones that wouldn't be repaid. We then have said in a variety of ways, first of all, that the institutions have to have much more money on hand in case things go bad. But secondly, individual transactions have to be protected. AIG was $170 billion in debt because it had sold something called credit default swaps without having the money to back them up. They couldn't do that today. We now have a law that says if you're going to do this, you've got to have reserves set aside. So we have now made it very, very unlikely that the banks will become so indebted.”

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  19. “If it had been in effect, it would have had no effect in terms of the Palmham Brothers and AIG would not have been retarded from any of their bad practices. But as to the law in general, First of all, as to being much tougher, there were a couple of areas where I like to go tougher, that bill passed the United States Senate with no votes to spare. It needed 60, and it got three Republican votes, Scott Brown, Olympia Snow, and Susan Collins from Maine and Massachusetts, but they had decided they would vote together. So we didn't have the votes to make it any tougher. We did have a few more votes in the House, but I lost a couple of votes on the House floor. As far as breaking up the banks, no, nobody was arguing about doing that right then. We were in 2009 and 10 when we were doing this, still in a terrible financial crisis. Loans weren't being made. The notion that you would do something as disruptive when you're losing $800,000 a month, nobody was talking about that. The question is whether you should have talked about that going forward. I still do not see.”

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  20. “Grass Stego was passed in 1933, which was one of his problems Before we had subprime mortgages, before we had derivatives, before we had a lot of the hip”

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  21. “They believe that life begins that from the federal government. They believe that from the federal government standpoint, life begins at conception but ends at birth”

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  22. “And the Republicans are the other mother who isn't the mother and we're the real mother. So whenever it came to a situation where the question If you don't give in, the baby is going to be cut in half. We're under more pressure to give in than they do. They don't care if the baby's cut in half. And that was one of the reasons that they had a strategic advantage over these past years”

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  23. “People say, How come you guys get outmaneuvered by the Republicans? Because we care about government and they don't. That's a great advantage. We could not, we would not, because of our own commitment to the good that is done by the government, allow it to founder. We work to help George Bush because we knew that if things went really bad, the poorer you were, the worse off you would be. The heads of JP Morgan Chase and Goldman Sachs weren't going to be hurting if the economy slowed down. They had enough money there. What we did to help George Bushing, by the way, this is, I think there is a consistent pattern of more democratic congressional support for Republican presidents than vice versa because they don't care about government. And that became even worse during the Obama years and the analogy is this. The baby is government.”

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  24. “Yes, that's right. King Solomon's story is very relevant. In the King Solomon story, he says, I'll cut the baby in half. And the real mother gives in, or she said she would give in. She doesn't want the baby cut in”

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  25. “Barack Obama gets elected and people say to me, what do you have to bipartisanship? And it's very simple. Barack Obama got elected and the Republicans never even thought of offering him the kind of bipartisan support that we gave George Bush.”

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  26. “The House of Republicans voted against it in the majority twice, not as big a majority. I would urge people to go read three books Sheila Bear, who was the Bush appointee to head the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation, Ben Bernanke, his appointee to the Federal Reserve, and Hank Paulson, his Secretary of the Treasury, all of them writing their memoirs are very critical of the Republicans, not just by the way, for voting against the immediate response, but those three helped us write the financial reform bill. All three of them take some credit for what we did. And what you got was when the economy was in Trump under Bush, we Democrats responded.”

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  27. “I could have designed something better if I was in control, but that or nothing, you had to go with that. And so we gave.”

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  28. “Can I have a stimulus? Because the economy is going to be hurting. The partisan response, the Mitch McConnell response would have been good, not articulated, but the economy hurt. They worked with him. And again, the kind of stimulus he wanted, which was tax cutting, although Nancy made it progressive. But then here comes 2008, September, two months before the election, the economy is about to tank, and so the Republican administration people, the Secretary of the Treasury, the Bush appointee at the Fed come to Harry Reed and Nancy Posse and say, we need your help. And so we Democrats worked absolutely without any consideration of partisanship. And we did things that we knew would be unpopular. You and I were just in this panel with Duke Gingridge or where Carl Rove said, oh, the TARP was part of the problem. Yeah, the TARP was George Bush's idea. And we Democrats voted for it because they were in control.”

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  29. “And six weeks before it was the same piece about this time we just had the anniversary. Here's the situation. It's first of all it's going to be a bad year, it looks like economically. So George Bush early in 2008 asked Pelosi and Reed.”

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  30. “Along with Chris Dodd, who was chairman of the Senate Banking Committee, I responded to the direction of Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reed to go to work with the Bush administration. People don't look at this enough in the midst.”

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  31. “Well, the Republicans began it. No question. People respond. But if you want to, an example of why there is no equivalent, you live through this. In 2008, as chairman of the Financial Services Committee,”

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  32. “No, and in fact, that led, that was the beginning of what I think was again where we took a bad turn because Newt Gingrich held that against Reagan. Reagan also had a very good personal relationship with Bob Michael, who was a Republican leader. And this is the beginnings, I think, of the terrible deterioration of American politics in general. Newt Gingridge was the one who said, hey, enough of this. The Democrats aren't honorable people with whom we disagree. These are evil people. And so he began his crusade and ultimately was able to get rid of Michael. And he set out to demonize Tiponale personally and to denounce any Republican who didn't join in.”

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  33. “We said the terrible things have happened to an American. I mean, the contrast between the way the Democrats responded then and Benghazi now is one of the most depressing examples of the deterioration in political morality in the strongest sense. And he did work with Reagan on Social Security, and he got, you know, it wasn't a one-way street. So he was able to, he recognized that Reagan had this power, but he was at the same time, in some of my conversations, dismissive almost to the point of contempt for Reagan's A, lack of understanding of public policy, and B the values. The example he was talking to Reagan one time fighting with him to have some student loan program. He gave us an example, some young woman he knew very bright and because the family can go to college. So Reagan Frieson's pocket, like, come on, Tip, you and I'll pay a tuition. And he said, no, no, I just talk about one person. Right.”

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  34. “People said that Tip use your powers, don't let the Reagan program come to a vote. He said, I hate that program. I'm going to do everything I can to get the votes against it, but it would be very bad for the country to simply refuse to do that. I'm not going to do that. It would have long-term negative consequences. And he worked with Reagan Person. He also believed back then, and this one was, you know, there needs to be some bipartisanship in foreign policy. And I'll give you one example, which to the... 280 Marines were killed in Beirut because a guy got in there with a truck. And we did not blame Reagan.”

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  35. “Reagan gets elected, and the house is nominally democratic, but there are still a large number of southern Democrats. You know, people talk about how there are more Republicans on that than they used to be. Yeah, but not more conservatives. You used to have 100 Southern Democrats, and now you have none. You do have Southern Democrats, the overwhelmingly liberal African Americans. So the ideological balance hasn't shifted that way.”

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  36. “Tip was personally funny with Reagan, but very dismissive of his ideology. He regarded Reagan, the two Reagans, Reagan and Don Regan, who was the Secretary Irishmen who had forgotten where they came from, which was the harshest thing you could say. No, he had very little regard for Reagan. He would mock his reading off cards. On the other hand, he said he was pragmatic. He had to make things go. Look, in 81.”

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  37. “And also one of those people who fuse the pragmatic and theological sense. I was very, very taken within the more I got to know him.”

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  38. “He was, as he described himself, red nose and huge floppy ears and all that white hair and way overweight. In fact you once told a story about he was in an airport and a guy came up to him and said hi tip obviously thinking that Tip would remember him and he said to the guy oh you know pal you're making me a little uncomfortable I mean you recognize me I'm speaker of the house I'm on TV all the time I got my big nose and my big ears so you know what you should do you shouldn't do that you should come up here and say hi Tip I'm so and so and so the guy said okay hi Tip I'm Robert Redford which is who it was but he was a very smart guy”

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  39. “Well, first of all, Talking about don't judge a book by its cover. Tip just looked like the classic, almost movie Irish caricature.”

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  40. “I didn't think that made any sense. And I said, oh, here's what I'll do. I'll live a positive life. But in Washington, I'm not at home. I'll live as a gay man privately and I'll be causetted publicly. And it didn't work.”

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  41. “I would have been out 81 or 82. I went back in the closet because I could not have won, but I nearly lost on the rumor, much less to the reality. And so I went to Washington and I said, well, listen, maybe coming out and keeping Gresham seat could be hard. This is 81, 82. This is still give you an example. In 81, the District of Columbia has now repealed recently its law against same-sex intimacy, the Sodomy Law. And the House of Representatives, as it then could do constitutionally, Supreme Court changed that a little, vetoed that law by a vote of something like 330 to 120. That is, a majority of Democrats voted to overturn the company as well. And this wasn't affirmative action. This wasn't sodomy. This is whether or not I didn't go to jail for having sex in somebody's bedroom.”

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  42. “So I became, just as I became the head gay rights active advocate, I became kind of the leading liberal in Massachusetts in part by process of elimination. Nobody else felt like taking it on. So then this unexpected vacancy comes up in one of the two districts in Massachusetts where liberals were a major factor, mostly tips issue, but secondly in Drynan's. So I was able to win the nomination because I was the leading liberal. It was very close. I won both the primary and the final by fairly narrow margins, but I did get there, and so it is the case that it was the Pope that made me a congressman. If he had not ordered Drain and leave, I would never have run.”

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  43. “Very conservative Democratic. And a lot of people, a lot of my liberal colleagues who had conventional political ambitions kind of reigned in. I didn't because I didn't think I'd go anywhere. There was an ironic situation. It was freedom was nothing left to lose.”

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  44. “Friends and relatives, et cetera. And then the almost literal thunderbolt came. And I decided I would run, I could move. I lived a mile away. They gained a kind of a good liberal representation. Legislative, it's interesting. There was a period of conservatism in Massachusetts in the 70s.”

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  45. “And Bob narrowly bit out John, who then strongly supported him. And he then served for ten years. And in 1980, many of the Vatican didn't like it. The Jesuits had supported him. He's a Jesuit who was. And then the new pope came in, John Paul II, and he was a tougher guy. And he ordered Rinan not to run again. And on two days' notice, we all heard that. I was actually living in the adjacent district. Mike Congressman was Tip O'Neill, obviously. In fact, I was getting to the point where I thought, you know what? I'm almost served eight years in the legislature. Another term I had gone to law school to have another job. And so I was ready to retire from the legislature, come out, practice law, and I would have at that point been one of the most prominent by public office openly gay people. And so I was going to be a gay rights advocate and a lawyer. And I started coming out of the cards and started telling people.”

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  46. “Bob Joyden had been the Dean of Boston College, who was a brilliant legal scholar, and he was a prodigy who got elected, he got named a dean. He was in his 30s. And then in 1970, he had become active in politics. He was a great civil rights advocate. In 1970, ran in a democratic liberal pre primary to get the nomination to run against the incumbent congressman. There had been a redistricting incumbent congressman was very much a Vietnam hawk. And Drynan ran in this pre-primary that was organized that was actually, it turned out to be more of a contest than thought because he won on the third ballot against an articulate Vietnam veteran named John Kerry.”

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  47. “Because it's kind of Mock Humble, but what it's really saying is, hey, this guy's very, very talented, so what if his hair isn't combed?”

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  48. “I got to say, look, Jim, my last husband Has been more successful. And once he finally got to me, he said, You know what? I know you don't care. But if you go out looking that way, people blame me. People say, how can you let him go out like that? So Jim got to me with that. And I submit to his ministrations. But I was speaking somewhere and someone showed me a photo that had been taken. I looked over a little dishevelled and I said, you know, let's make the best of this. So I made a poster that said, Neaton is and everything. Which, if you think about it, it's really kind of arrogant.”

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  49. “Because I would break things. I would decide that if I just push a little harder. So people would say, oh, you got to look better. And it was just too hard to do.”

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  50. “I break things and I do them and I have had three relationships with men in my life none none as important as this most recent one. And I can hear all of them in my head saying, Bonnie, don't touch it.”

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