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  1. Of course not Are you out of your mom? And I was like No, I just did Instagram because we had a Christmas Africa trip, so I decided to do it. And my friend said. Oh my God, don't you know how to edit

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  2. Which I never would have linked with you. Critical faculty off. I am absolutely optimistic. And my wife, who is European. And Europeans You know, born in the mid century, 20th, mid-century. Are not by nature optimistic. Well, they had some history. They have reasons.

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  3. I think on the contrary that we need, I think the more you're in a ugly little room like this with microphones and buttons to push and things like that. We can't do it. The more you want to be outside on the lawn or you more want to see pretty things. You want to be in, I think that's life. You know, just like I love travel because life is travel. And if there's life, there's travel and vice versa. I think the same is true of being able to come upon something that's unexpected that gives you pleasure.

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  4. It's not like, you know, it's not the work of the Gates Foundation. It's not going to cure malaria. As I said earlier about public art, public spaces, it is for the enjoyment and stimulation of the public. And I think that is a worthy thing in any environment, any in any place

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  5. No, no, no. This is not, there's not. I mean, it's digitally supported in every way we can think of, but no, this is absolutely about touch and feel. This is about grass. And this is about them in the landscaping for this. I would hate to quantify for anybody because it would scare them and me. But it's designed to be beautiful and to touch it and feel it.

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  6. It is simply a gift simply. It's a gift. It is for the people of New York and the people who visit New York. Enjoy themselves only performance space, it will be everything, it will be festivals, it will be we think of it as it's whimsical. We hope that when you walk out to it on bridges. And so as you enter midway through that bridge, you leave the New York. Noise and stuff behind and enter Fairyland. Very, really long of you. A whimsical place for you to Be with your kids, with your friends, hang out, lay about, be entertained, be stimulated, laugh, cry, and do all of those things. It's very.

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  7. It's ridiculously ambitious. No one's ever, which is what they say to me every time the costs go up, which is I say, this was a firm budget. And they say, no, it's an R&D project. I said, well, it's easy for you to say. But it is.

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  8. And so absolutely true. And so we started to think about that. And out of that came this plan, which if I had a picture, I could push through this microphone and show you, I think you would see that it's very architecturally ambitious. And it's, I think, a thing of real beauty. And it is founded on driving 265 piles into the Hudson River and then on top of those piles putting 169 essentially pedals that form Essentially, the outline and the support for what is a park and a performance center.

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  9. Yeah, just pier 40. Oh, yeah, yeah. Right. So there's this declining I said, well I don't know about just rebuilding this thing, but if we could be ambitious about it, because there's nothing on the water architecturally.

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  10. People who Hudson River Park Trust, which covers the waterfront from Battery Park up to the George Washington Bridge, and have lots of piers and lots of development and lots of public works that they've done in parks. There was a pier that was falling apart. They came and they said, would you like to just rebuild this pier? And we just put a pier up and it'll be for entertainment stuff, but it's falling apart.

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  11. And yeah, you can see it going up right now before you're very off. Explain it. It started like many things. Is it called Diller Island? No, absolutely not. It's called Pure 55 and probably is going to end up being called Little Island. Okay. All right. It's a sweet name. Anyway, it started very prosaically, which is the...

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  12. Absolutely. You know, it has been true in New York. It's been true in Los Angeles. And I participate in growing up in Los Angeles. And so whatever. Anyway

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  13. Right, agreed. It's really, it happened very quickly, which was really fascinating. It was a relatively new phenomenon of people. I do think it's linked to the tech leaders not taking risks. Like in the old days, you had Bank of America who are the founders of Wells Fargo take civic responsibility for cities.

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  14. Sam. I'll be doing. Are you? Anyway, I was in San Francisco and I left him at lunch on Market Street and I was walking from there back to the four seasons. About probably a mile and a half or something like that. And I thought, I cannot believe I'm walking down this scary street on a sunny day, and am literally dodging. Things that just should not be taking place in a cosmopolitan city.

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  15. They had that impetus Should have had buildings all over it. There's so many examples of this, and they're not just here, they're all over the country, and Tulsa, Oklahoma, George Kaiser, who's a big oil person, built a 450 along whatever that river is. There, Park, that you just go and you marvel at his imagination and the fact that a hundred years from today people will be wandering on it. And it was just this guy saying.

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  16. I'm going to create something here that didn't exist before. And then they do it. Sometimes it works out terribly. It's not a good thing. But when it works out, you come upon it and you marvel, oh my God, that was somebody's elective to do something that now get to walk by it or walk in it or be part of it. And how lucky am I that that thing happened?

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  17. They took this place and they made this thing out of it, which I mean, just the doing of it was almost impossible. It should have been buildings. Or anything that you see, it took, they're all electives, and it took somebody to say,

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  18. Analog city matters. Here's the thing I, and the reason, again, that it caught my interest is because I have always been amazed at public work, public art. You go to Central Park. And you think, how did they do this? Right, you know, in the middle. 150, 60 years ago.

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  19. There's going to be. There's going to be no cars in a city. We'll be dead, very, but that's the way it's going to be. It'll be up down stuff. It'll be vertical lift and takeoff. It'll be autonomous. That's my feeling.

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  20. We had 3,007 in the first year. We had last year six and a half million people come. So it's so far exceeded anybody's original idea, which is always great. You don't either should succeed it this way or to me.

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  21. No, we thought it was look like all these things you do. We thought, what a good idea this was, you know, in the imagination and how it was done was really an amazing work of art. And we thought the first year we'd have, we thought actually we thought 350,000 people would come the first year.

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  22. So you built that. It's beautiful to walk on. I'm sure Rudy Giulani takes his daily constitution there to clear his very clear head. I bet he does. I bet he uses it. That would be very funny. So you did this and it created a beautiful civic space. Yes, yes. A public space. Public space that was really lovely and people, there's all kinds of businesses pulling off of it, like you said, and the neighborhoods have gotten, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes,

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  23. The greatest development creative, architectural buildings, everything you could imagine. And these real estate folk. Have benefited more than, of course, anyone else, and they're the ones who wanted to tear the thing down. So, anyway, we're very proud of that.

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  24. And the great irony is because Dion, my wife, was one of the One or two people who actually prevented Giuliani from being able to tear it down just before he ended his term as mayor. The irony is that, of course, now almost 20 years later. Every lower west side because of the high line Has had the greatest development

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  25. Track, elevated track that had been decaying for 60 years and was going to be torn down because the developers in the lower west side of New York, which is where it is, said that it was impeding their development. By the way, a development none of them had done in about 40 years. Right. It had nothing had been done down there. And all they did is sat on their property, but they thought they should tear this down

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  26. How lucky we are. And then he has the means to do so. So speaking of the means, one of the things you've been doing are a lot of civic things in New York City particularly. I don't think I'm aware of other cities. You're so Los Angeles. So you've been doing, you've not been digging that tunnel with Elon, have

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  27. I didn't really compete with him, though, in one little case. He actually thought we did years and years ago. But here's somebody who was as pure pitch a business person. As you could find. He has truly converted himself. I mean, converted. The personal growth of this person Is simply phenomenal. And that his talent, his capacious brain bigger than almost anyone's. That by self direction he turned it to the betterment. Yeah, he took the aggression.

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  28. To say, oh God, there goes a good billionaire. That right now people are skeptical. And I think that's okay. I think that like everything else, they're good ones and Made great contributions to society, to charity, to this, to that. I watch gates.

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  29. Well, I think it's kind of predictive. I'm surprised only because Howard's of a bright man, I can't imagine. Why he would come out and say he's going to run as an independent, which seems to make utterly no sense to me, but whatever.

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  30. Yeah, it's history, and who knows? And he would say that there was no chance that he would have only ensured. If it wasn't going to happen, the victory of Trump. But I don't know. My argument has always been to him and to others is you can't do this bipolar. You can't do this by research. When you get in, you change the dye in the water And so getting in changes the water, therefore, you can't predict it.

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  31. Because I think he would be, without, to me, any question, this country would be very lucky to have a leader like him. In that office. And I think it's going to be difficult for that to happen for him. So if it does, I support him. If it doesn't, I've said to the... Upset that it matters what I say to these people, but I said let's get through the Winning Ong process and see where we go.

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  32. I like lots of them, and some of them, I mean, I've known for a long time, some are my friends, some are people I don't know. There are tons of them. Who would be the most ideal? I can't do that. I won't do that. Other than to say, which I said to some of my friends who everybody knocks on the doors looking for support. And I said the only commitment that I've made, and it's...

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  33. You know, but again, we've got to go through a lot of process, and that process isn't pretty. And certainly the Democrats are not, in my opinion, coming out of it or entering it. Like in Canada.

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  34. Well, you know, I could riff on with all the things. My God, everybody's said them already. You don't need to hear it. So I think that is hopefully an accident of historical forces and not something that is essentially going to be repeated by Pamela Anderson. Becoming president trist.

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  35. Because I would like to think, and it's maybe not thoroughly naive, that it is hopefully an accident, that it happened because of a confluence of forces that put essentially the video game in tilt. I mean, it made it so that someone unqualified, indecent. I mean, look, we've had good presidents, bad presidents, we've had excesses in this and that. I don't think we've ever had an actually bad person. It is core, a mean.

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  36. Because we have thoroughly Rotten leader in the country and an accident of history. Hopefully we'll be over soon. Though the Democrats Their usual way are not coming out. And in the beginning of this long, long process, it will be for the next couple of years. They're not coming out at the very beginning of it in anything but I think a destructive way. But that's okay. It'll be early mistakes. But hopefully in two years, to paraphrase Gerald Ford, this national nightmare will be over. And that is what I think we have. I think we degraded ourselves. We've degraded the office of the presidency. We've degraded politics. We've degraded almost everything since he entered the picture.

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  37. Can be introspective, that's fine. Well, that is as introspective as the plot will allow. All right. Themes, you mean like the world order Issues of whether or not the green thing should pass.

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  38. I give too many fucks. Oh, really? That's interesting. You know, people used to say about Steve Jobs that he was heartless. I was like, no, he has too much heart. I said, that was really the issue more than anything, which was. And it seems heartless. That's why we

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  39. I'm trying to, I know that again in pure story terms, I have a good story. It's an interesting story. And so I want to try and tell it. And the only... Have nothing to sell. I mean, I'm not trying to teach anybody anything. And I'm not writing a business book, whatever. I just think I've got a good story. And the only reason for it to be done or me to do it is if I do it myself.

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  40. Well, what I mean is curious, I am really lucky. I really do say it because I think you either have, it's not something, I don't think it's something you can buy or develop or whatever, but I am and always have been just a natively curious. I am curious about almost everything, too many things. And that ends up being usually my grasp is never. Ever gotten within reach or the other way around? So what am I curious about now? Right now, I'm not actually I'm trying to write a book. And that takes up almost all my angst.

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  41. When he was getting into hotels, I'm like, why are you doing this? He's like, I just don't want to own a sports team. And I was like, Is that like a requirement of a billionaire? Is that like you have to buy something?

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  42. Why are you doing this, Mark? And he really said, I'm curious about it, number one and number two. There are a lot of things that I believe in, all of which, by the way, are pro-social. I mean, they may be too pro-social or too whatever. You can criticize. You can do whatever you want on the critical rainbow. But he's buying it for public service purposes. He has the money to do so. Whether that ever works out economically, doing something for public service, he's a very good businessman, so maybe you confuse the two. But all of these things are, I think, positive, not negative.

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  43. And I know Benioff said to me because I just saw him the other night. And I said, so why having been a person who bought Newsweek magazine stupidly and lost a lot of money?

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  44. Yeah, I mean, I don't know, Rain Jobs is, I don't think she or anyone else would ever think of her as a technician, yeah. The fortune comes from that, but it doesn't matter where the fortune comes from.

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  45. There we are. So you have Bezos owning these. You have other, you talked about Murdoch. You brought up Murdoch, who you had a long history with previously. You have Lorraine Jobs buying up some stuff, putting money into Atlantic and stuff like that. You've got Mark Bennioff buying time. How do you look at this, this era of media and tech converging?

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  46. You cannot do that. But the one thing that I always admired Murdoch. Is when it came to the ultimate responsibility for what was in his newspapers, he said, I stand behind every one of them. When you want to look for who, look to me. I am the proprietor of those papers and take that responsibility. It's the same thing I felt in the movie business when some of my fellow movie executives would say, oh, well, that was Oliver Stone's fault. For making a movie where he literally said that Lyndon Johnson murdered JFK. I mean, a wildly irresponsible movie on every level historically and every other thing. And the people in charge of this company said, well, that's not our responsibility, to which I said it is, of course your responsibility.

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  47. Yes, that's probably known by some. I don't think that's a bad thing. I think it's responsibility proprietorship. And so he and Marty Barron and whatever have gone to lengths to say never involved in any part of the editorial process. Frankly, any editorial process would be bettered by somebody as smart, decent, engaged as he is an owner. You know, I was always impressed with one thing about God knows I'm nothing to do with Fox News when I was at Fox. We did Fox broadcasting, out of which after I left came Fox News.

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  48. He has You know, the idea that I think proprietorship. I've always felt this about the film business and television businesses that I've been in when creators say, well, the greatest thing they did is they left me alone. I do not believe people should be left alone. I mean, it's not in my.

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  49. And so when Mr. Bezos bought it, I thought, well, that's fantastic because I know I certainly know him and his sense of obligation, responsibility, quality. And he's done a fantastic job with it. And so the reluctance of the Washington Post company and the Graham family to continue to support it. And sell it to the right person was a great act of great good luck. Because now the post is thriving

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  50. Washington Post and continue to be its steward. And it was because Don Graham, who's one of the finest Just human people that I've ever known. Don Graham said, I have a greater responsibility. I have a responsibility to the shareholders. And I cannot. Quitting that responsibility, knowing what I know, I can't do that. And I argued that companies are more than just simply for shareholder return. They have other responsibilities to their community, to what their product is, and to all sorts of things. In any event, they sold it. And by the way, there were a few people I would have hated to buy it, one of whom almost did.

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