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Ben Askren

lines on the record: 204
first: 2021-11-20
most recent: 2021-11-20
sittings or episodes: 1
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“I know when to be and when not to be like, you know, say if I'm going to high school kids or. not going to be competitive because then I'm just being a dick.”
2021-11-20 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #242 – Ben Askren: Wrestling and MMA · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“So, yeah, I would like to see how he dealt with someone who I think, oh man, this guy's a really high level wrestler. Because, you know, we saw, and this is early in his career, but Glayson Tibau did give him some issues earlier in his career. So I would like to see him in that situation and see how he does. I would love to, you know, I just love wrestling and grappling. Yeah, I'd love if someone said, hey, Ben, you know, Kabi wants to roll with you. Okay. I'm there tomorrow. It sounds like a blast. Let's go.”
2021-11-20 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #242 – Ben Askren: Wrestling and MMA · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Yeah, I mean, he never, unfortunately, fought any, who I would say really, really high-level wrestlers. I was actually really disappointed how bad Justin Gechie's wrestling was because Jess and Gagey had some solid success, but his wrestling was really bad in that fight. Yeah, I think he was seventh place maybe somewhere. He was definitely all American. He was lower though.”
2021-11-20 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #242 – Ben Askren: Wrestling and MMA · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I mean, we would grapple, and I think I would be better than him. But, you know, I feel weird saying as people, yeah, write your full shit, you know, and but no one out grappled them, right? I mean, nobody did. And maybe I'm wrong on this, but if we'll get the best possible candidates, I'm definitely one of them. And then obviously I have a small size advantage too.”
2021-11-20 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #242 – Ben Askren: Wrestling and MMA · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“When you get it in, you're just going to get stuck there. You're not going to be able to escape. But besides that, there's a multitude of things you can choose from. And depending on your body style and what you're good and bad at, I'm going to probably develop something a little different. I might give you, hey, you do the quad pod. You'd be better than knee slide, whatever. Yeah, top, kind of same thing.”
2021-11-20 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #242 – Ben Askren: Wrestling and MMA · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“So, you know, I kind of sent you our technique book, right? And how we. Of go at approach it. So I think in wrestling, you're going to need You're going to need a handful of things just off the word go, right? You're going to, so I think on our feet, I need to be able to take this out of the body. I need to biltech that side of the body. I need to be able to bring you underneath me. I need to be able to go around you. Right. Now we can accomplish those different ways, but we should have all of those weapons. If we want to be really good some way, right? So if I neglect one of those, so if I neglect the ability to say pull you downlock you. Now if I have a good shot and you're smart, you're just going to lower your stance. So my shot is not going to be as successful and I have the inability to pull you down, right? So I kind of need all of those so I can as they get better, I can point those things out on bottom, my folks out bottom, there's certain things like you have to be good at leg right defense.”
2021-11-20 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #242 – Ben Askren: Wrestling and MMA · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Yeah. And then equal and then better. Yeah. Because there's just with grappling, there's such a feel component to the pressure, the movement, all these things. And there's still many things you can throw at someone out of one position, not just moves, but moves at different levels of force or whatever.”
2021-11-20 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #242 – Ben Askren: Wrestling and MMA · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“So, you know, try it on someone spar lightly, get it, do it on someone who's not as good as you get it, then kind of work your way up the ladder so you can get it on someone your own scalable or maybe better than you in a live competition. So it's like, I don't know, I feel like that basic drilling, like, so kid like Keegan, who I brought up a few times, like, I feel like if there's something new, I could literally tell him, like, this is what I want you to do. And he's such a great feel like he could go drill it proficiently within probably a minute or two. But then to hit it on someone high level, that's going to take quite a while longer.”
2021-11-20 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #242 – Ben Askren: Wrestling and MMA · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“They have to feel all the way through. Like if I said learn a high crotch when you're drilling, but stop halfway every time, you're not actually going to be able to do it because you're going to stop, you're not going to feel.”
2021-11-20 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #242 – Ben Askren: Wrestling and MMA · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Gonna get a workout, and I need you to execute because I need you to get good at this in order to get good at it. You have to get all the way through the tech.”
2021-11-20 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #242 – Ben Askren: Wrestling and MMA · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“So I definitely think my build up would be. So, we're talking complex technique, right? So by the time we're talking about, we'll say a late high school kid who's pretty proficient, he's already done the drilling part. So then now it's like, okay, if I want to get something new to you, I'll probably tell you, you'll probably be able to do the basic premise within five to ten minutes if they're good, right? Do this. Okay, they do it. Then it's like, okay, so now here from here, what we're going to do, we're going to go light sparring so I know you have success because I need you to complete the task in order to give it better at it. That's something a lot of people in wrestling mess up is they just want to go as the toughest person. But if you go toughest person, you're not going to actually execute on any skills.”
2021-11-20 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #242 – Ben Askren: Wrestling and MMA · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“But with something as complex as wrestling or grappling, if you can have way more gains over here, why focus on going from a 9.7 to a 9.8? If this other area, if you're spending so much time here that this other area is left unexplored and you can make gigantic gains over there.”
2021-11-20 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #242 – Ben Askren: Wrestling and MMA · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“So, I think it is sparring. I think it's a very light touch spar is what you're talking about, which is, in my opinion, really isn't drilling. And it's because drilling past the basic proficiency, I don't think brings much value.”
2021-11-20 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #242 – Ben Askren: Wrestling and MMA · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Okay, so you have a guard pass, and you get it to be, it's a nine and a half out of ten, right? From a technical standpoint, don't you think you need some resistance to feel, because essentially all benefit after that is going to be what are they going to try to do to me if they shift the hit that way? Do I need to sink here or move there? So it's like I actually think we're agreeing, but maybe terminology wise.”
2021-11-20 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #242 – Ben Askren: Wrestling and MMA · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“But the simple movement, the first simple movement, the first simple movement, that single leg. That high crotch or arm j I feel like the amount you're going to get better at it is so minuscule compared to the amount you're going to gain at doing other things around it.”
2021-11-20 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #242 – Ben Askren: Wrestling and MMA · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Then you have to react. And I would argue that all skill level past like the beginner stuff is some necessity of that, right? I'm going to do this. Then what are you going to do? It's back and forth. I shoot a single leg. What are you going to do? I shoot high coach. What are you going to do? And you have to start unconsciously programming these things in your head because you have to consciously think about it. It's going to be too slow to actually hit it in a math.”
2021-11-20 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #242 – Ben Askren: Wrestling and MMA · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“You had 30 a day for particular. I did. I am for sure 100%. There's no doub Because some days I might do 100, right? Yeah, 30 is not very many, especially if we count all reps, if we're counting drilling and live. So like our college coach would make us just drill a lot. And I just hated it. So I would rebel and just kind of give a little spar. You shoot a high crotch. We'll start. Coach on drill high crotch. Okay, we'll start. You shoot the high crotch. That's great. Then I'm going to sit the corner. I'm going to give you my hip or I'm going to, you know, I'm going to try something.”
2021-11-20 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #242 – Ben Askren: Wrestling and MMA · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“There was a 10 year period where I wrestled every single day 3,000 days, so you're telling me 10,000 that's only three of them a day. I did way more than that.”
2021-11-20 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #242 – Ben Askren: Wrestling and MMA · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“So that's not really drilling. I think it's drilling. I think literally. You're shooting, and I'm just gonna boom. Boom, boom, yeah, boom, boom.”
2021-11-20 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #242 – Ben Askren: Wrestling and MMA · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Minute details a little bit here. I'm not going to push back all the way because every time if I was wrestling, I'll crouch and leg, whatever, right? But even so say like at a high level when I'm really wrestling 10 years ago, even during that drill portion, if we talk about the resistance of our opponent from zero to 100. It's very likely that my partner at that point, because people I'm really comfortable with, they're probably at least going 20 or 30, right? They're probably giving me a certain look with the sprawl or I got to get through their hands if I don't set it up right, they might put their arm down. So it's like we are drilling because we're wrestling at a really low resistance level, but there's a little bit of sparring to the 20%.”
2021-11-20 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #242 – Ben Askren: Wrestling and MMA · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“So don't spend 10 minutes teaching me. Just tell me to go hit 50 reps. And then, if when I'm hitting my reps, if there's something I'm doing wrong, then just say, hey, Ben, move your leg a little bit that way or raise your hips up a little more, right? Like correct as you're drilling so you're getting all these reps at it, so you're becoming more proficient. And then the other thing I really struggled with was, to your point, during lives so many times it's just this five minute go, go, go. And that's not the most efficient way to learn because when you have two people, especially when they're focused on winning and you say, go, they're going to go to whatever they do best. Well, if I'm trying to make you good at something, I don't want you doing what you do best all the time. I need you doing some other things, right? If you have a great single leg, but you can't shoot to the other side of their body, we need to work on that.”
2021-11-20 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #242 – Ben Askren: Wrestling and MMA · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“The robotics are going to shoot the last single legs. Why? Because everyone's going to do that, right? We're going to shoot a lot of single legs. So just say an armbar or some type of sweep, right? Why can't we go get 50 reps there? Hey, I mean, by the time I've been in your jiu-jitsu school for two years, I better know fucking armbar. I better know what.”
2021-11-20 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #242 – Ben Askren: Wrestling and MMA · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Could probably name you the best six moves, right? So we need as younger people, single leg, right? Single leg's going to be the most proficient takedown. It always has been. I don't know, probably always will be unless they figure there's out something different.”
2021-11-20 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #242 – Ben Askren: Wrestling and MMA · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“It is for sure, especially if you have a class that's been with you for a while Have to start from scratch. You can say, Hey, let's focus on this one little thing here. After we do this, let's do that, and you kind of start putting it all together. And then with jiu-jitsu, the thing that I really struggle with was a couple things. And this is not speaking for all the personal experience through the sport. And I actually found my, so when I unretired, I found someone really great that I loved. And I really wish it was Mark Lehman. I don't know if you know him at all. I wish I would have found him earlier, because he was just tremendous. But number one, there's no drilling. So it's like in wrestling, I can boil down to”
2021-11-20 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #242 – Ben Askren: Wrestling and MMA · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Just do this We don't have to spend any time there. So I think that's like something that consumes for the younger kids, say, five through 12 or 13, we're consuming a massive amount of time there on that teaching, learning phase. And then as we get older, that time wanes a lot.”
2021-11-20 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #242 – Ben Askren: Wrestling and MMA · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“That's like teaching. Like you're trying to learn something. So obviously in someone's earlier periods, they're spending a lot of time in that phase because they literally don't even know how to move their bodies the right way. Once you learn the skill, then there's the drilling because you need to absolutely have to get those reps to become really proficient in that movement and then the sparring and then the live, right? And so like I think obviously by the time you get to the kind of end point, right? But further on, the time you spend teaching is so, I don't want to say, I'm sorry, in the learning teaching phase is not insignificant, but so much smaller because to someone who's really good who have coached for 10 years, I don't have to give this big, long drawn out explanation. I used to have to say, hey, move your hand a little differently.”
2021-11-20 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #242 – Ben Askren: Wrestling and MMA · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“So I think it's for me there's four categories, right? There's the teaching, which is like, you don't know shit. You're coming in and I'm showing you the move and you're literally going out there and you're trying. To me, that's not even drilling.”
2021-11-20 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #242 – Ben Askren: Wrestling and MMA · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“The one thing that you and John talked about different ways to learn and get better. And so I think John obviously innovated within the support of Jiu Jitsu. And so for us, and maybe there's just a differentiator for us, I think it's...”
2021-11-20 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #242 – Ben Askren: Wrestling and MMA · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“You know, if you have a good relationship, like, you know, college me and my brother, we could just go and we know where each other's at. We don't even have to talk about it, right? But like in my residence club, we'll say, okay, hey, I want you guys to go 50% in this position or I want the high crotch guy. I want him to shoot. And this is for him. So I want him to go 70. And defensive guy, I want you to go 40. So you're not supposed to be trying to win here. You're going to go later. I want you to give him some looks, you know? So I think it has really taken hold of America. I think it's really beneficial for success. And I think that's, I mean, America's doing better than we've ever done in the store.”
2021-11-20 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #242 – Ben Askren: Wrestling and MMA · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Yeah. And I only spent a couple. So I was there, I was in Vladi Kavkaz in 2008. That was where the World Cup was. We had to train there for like two days afterward. Didn't get to dig deep into what was going on or anything. But yeah, I mean, I think sparring has sparring is very beneficial for wrestling. Like sparring MMA is what we fight, right? Sparring and wrestling is so I always just describe it to be really simple if we're drilling it's relatively 0% resistance if we're going as hard as we can that's 100% There's all this gray area in the middle that's sparring, right? And so.”
2021-11-20 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #242 – Ben Askren: Wrestling and MMA · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I don't know why he got obsessed with languages, and so his college degree is actually, what do they call it, inner disc, where you have three minors who had a minor in Russian, a minor in Spanish, and maybe Japanese. I'm messing up. It's definitely Russian and Spanish, are for sure. I don't know what the third one is. No, but yeah, Dagestan, it's really fascinating.”
2021-11-20 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #242 – Ben Askren: Wrestling and MMA · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“No, no, no. Like he would, oh man, don't make me over self. I think he would be able to have a conversation with you. I think.”
2021-11-20 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #242 – Ben Askren: Wrestling and MMA · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“You know what I'm saying? It sucked. It's like, well, I don't want to make $20,000 for the next 48 years. So I'm going to go do something else. If I could have made even, and I need to be rich, right? If I could have made $100,000 or $70,000 wrestling, I probably would have kept wrestling. So I think those factors and obviously now they have a really bunch of really good people in one area. So there's probably, and it's been going on for a long time, so there's probably a bunch of like adults and coaches that are coming back and helping that progress. Yeah, a lot of those things that happen.”
2021-11-20 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #242 – Ben Askren: Wrestling and MMA · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“And then I think that also that a lot of them, it is a way out, right? Elite level athletes in that part of the world, from my understanding, are really well compensated compared to what the average person makes in the treaty really well. So people see it as a way out. Honestly, if America is getting better, but in 2008, the reason I went to do MMA was because I didn't want to be poor my whole life.”
2021-11-20 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #242 – Ben Askren: Wrestling and MMA · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“From that area. So obviously they all love it. It's a big deal that wrestling specifically is a big deal there. You know, they do Sambo also, obviously. So that's part of it is a lot of the kids are doing it. They obviously are rough tumble, tough, tough life.”
2021-11-20 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #242 – Ben Askren: Wrestling and MMA · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Yeah, it's fascinating. Have you ever read the book, The Talent Code? Great. And that kind of talks about these talent hotspots all around the world. So now, obviously, with our wrestling academies, we try to take some lessons from that and apply it. I got to assume they didn't cover Dagestan in that book specifically, but I got to assume a lot of the same principles that are in that book apply to Dagestan and wrestling, right? They did South Korea and women's golf, they did curse out in baseball, right? They picked a lot of these other places that were really elite. I think it was maybe Moscow in women's tennis also. So I think all these things that make any group great organization is probably the same things that's happening there.”
2021-11-20 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #242 – Ben Askren: Wrestling and MMA · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Absolutely. I mean, so you won six and three, six worlds, six worlds, three Olympics, nine total, which there's only one or two people above that. So again, it was hard to watch any live footage of him, but from what I've seen, his feel is different. He was just ahead of his time and the feel and the touch he had for certain moves and different things because obviously physically he's kind of unimposing. Taller and skin gear, which is it can work in wrestling, but it is by less represented. Yeah, he was special, so good.”
2021-11-20 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #242 – Ben Askren: Wrestling and MMA · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“He's very special So that would be my other guy that you asked earlier who I enjoyed watching, and that was a guy, it was kind of after the fact because it was hard to access footage, but he was a lot of fun to watch.”
2021-11-20 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #242 – Ben Askren: Wrestling and MMA · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“She was Ukraine, not Russia. I lost one real match where I actually lost, and it was to Dennis Sarghush, who would go on to win through world titles, but he was behind the tee of that year. And it was competitive. So I knew, okay, I'm like, I'm going with the best guys in the world. I beat a bunch of other guys who were good, had past decent results. So I knew I was right there. Unfortunately, Rand this guy, Ivan Fundora. I had someone whose scouting reports for him, actually my high school coach who now coaches for our academy, John Messenbrink. And Fundor was the worst stylistic matchup. I got him. And I lost him second round. So I wasn't good enough. I decided to keep wrestling. I probably would have gotten better. But at that point, Demis wasn't in the cards.”
2021-11-20 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #242 – Ben Askren: Wrestling and MMA · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“This wasn't good enough. That was what I said. Yeah, I mean, so at that point in time, it was my first year of international competition. So when I came out in 2007, it was my first time making 74 kilograms, which is pretty small for me. I had some failures, but then quickly I turned that around and I was having success in America. I was beating everyone, I don't want to say easy, but yeah, you know, I was doing really well. I went international one time and there was one match I got cheated on, the Russians, they're cheaters.”
2021-11-20 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #242 – Ben Askren: Wrestling and MMA · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I would argue, I would argue all the way back that these are rich fat cats too. Like, I get so mad about the NCA, which finally now got rid of this bullshit term amateurism. It's like, there's some holy grail where you can't make money to be an amateur athlete, but the people who own the IOC are the people who own the institutions, college institutions are making boatloads of money off of you, that's”
2021-11-20 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #242 – Ben Askren: Wrestling and MMA · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“So I know, like, okay, so I know Flow, right? Because I worked for I know if flow buys your event or whatever, right? They buy the rights. Generally in the contract, they'll have rights to both live stream it and then use that footage at any point moving forward. So those matches live on Flow's website. That's why I would be surprised that if NBC didn't have something similar.”
2021-11-20 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #242 – Ben Askren: Wrestling and MMA · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“This is bullshit. Like, this should have been up. So, I mean, okay, so what about Olympic trials footage? That has to be USOC then or NBC?”
2021-11-20 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #242 – Ben Askren: Wrestling and MMA · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“They have it and put So, actually, so my Olympic match, the one I won. Got put public, and I don't know if it was private, it got put up on YouTube. It was so dumb. I'm like, why the”
2021-11-20 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #242 – Ben Askren: Wrestling and MMA · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Well, so NBC broadcasts. So they obviously have the live rights. You would think they would have recorded if, I mean, they're the ones recording it. You would think they keep the rights when you think so.”
2021-11-20 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #242 – Ben Askren: Wrestling and MMA · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Get like a crappy highlight. So the two biggest things in really the three, the NCA Championships and ESPN. Olympic trials are on NBC and the Olympics are NBC. And these companies are so big, they don't have a department dedicated to selling the rights to that footage, right? So the rights to wrestling footage, which no one cares all that much about except a niche, are the exact same as track and field or basketball Neolithics. So yes, all of this stuff is completely inaccessible to us. The NCAAs, the Olympic trials in the Olympics, you can't go watch old film on it. It sucks.”
2021-11-20 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #242 – Ben Askren: Wrestling and MMA · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Probably gable, or John Smith after the fact. So the problem with wrestling in my era was you couldn't watch it. There was no access, right? It wasn't really available even if you want to say, go find a bunch of John Smith. They're kind of hard to find, right? There's a couple of them on YouTube, but I've obviously seen all of those. But in my era, there really wasn't any of it. So it was hard to be a fan of something. And that's why wrestling has, the fans are going like this because now, you know, you flip on the flow app and you can watch something that's happening in Europe, right? We can do this easily. So we can be a fan of people. So now I'm more a fan of wrestling than I was then because there just was no access. So now I can watch someone I like and say, oh, shit, like that guy's wrestling. Oh, boom, I flipped my phone on. I watch them wrestle, you know, that type of thing.”
2021-11-20 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #242 – Ben Askren: Wrestling and MMA · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Yeah, so I'm sitting in geography class, and I don't have to work that hard because it's easy, right? And yeah, I'm just sitting there kind of acting like I'm looking at the board and these guys are wrestling and I'm watching them wrestle. And yeah, sometimes they come up with a really good solution.”
2021-11-20 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #242 – Ben Askren: Wrestling and MMA · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“And I can force myself to like see the bodies moving and think about it again, you know, kind of like I was in an early age, but it won't just, it won't just flow there anymore. So he said it went away. And for me, it went away also.”
2021-11-20 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #242 – Ben Askren: Wrestling and MMA · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“But so I started. So one time it came up that I had these robot or people rustling my head, you know, and he said, well, who else do you think? I bet John Smith happened. So I went and got John Smith's number and called him and said, hey, you've ever had these people wrestling in your head? And he said, yeah, but as soon as they stopped coaching, they went away. Same thing happened to me. Soon they started coaching, they went away. So if I really force myself now and I'm like, you know, I see something in practice. And it's really higher level because high school wrestling, I don't want to maybe feel bad, but it's like it's a little bit lower level, right? So if like Keegan, for example, who won the journey, if he's struggling with a problem or asks me a question”
2021-11-20 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #242 – Ben Askren: Wrestling and MMA · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source