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Ben Goertzel

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“Thanks for having me. This was really, really good fun. And we dug deep into some very important things. So thanks for doing this.”
2020-06-22 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #103 – Ben Goertzel: Artificial General Intelligence · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Of AGI and longevity and other such issues is certainly much stronger and more prevalent now than gender 15 years ago, right? So, I mean, humanity is as a whole can be slow learners relative to what I would like. But on a historical sense, on the other hand, you could say the progress is astoundingly fast.”
2020-06-22 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #103 – Ben Goertzel: Artificial General Intelligence · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“And you get that, and AGI does not necessarily have to give a shit about people because we're a very elementary mode of organization of matter compared to many AGIs. But I don't think he has a clear vision of how infusing early stage AGIs with compassion and human warmth can lead to an AGI that loves and helps people rather than viewing us as a historical artifact and a waste of mass energy. But on the other hand, while I have some disagreements with him, like he understands way, way more of the story than almost anyone else in such a large-scale corporate leadership position, right? It's terrible how little understanding of these fundamental issues exists out there now that may be different five or ten years from now, though, because I can see under”
2020-06-22 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #103 – Ben Goertzel: Artificial General Intelligence · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Except via our role in originating it. And we may well be at a bifurcation point now, right? Where what we do now has significant causal impact on what comes about. And yet most people on the planet aren't thinking that way. Whatsoever, that they can think only about their own narrow imps and goals, right? Now, of course, I'm thinking about my own narrow aims and goals to some extent, also, but I'm trying to use as much of Energy in mind as I can to push toward this more benevolent alternative, which will be better for me, but also for everybody else. And it's weird that so few people understand what's going on. I know you interviewed Elon Musk and he understands a lot of what's going on, but he's much more paranoid than I am, right? Because Elon gets that AGI is going to be way, way smarter than people.”
2020-06-22 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #103 – Ben Goertzel: Artificial General Intelligence · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“To get to that future where we can explore different varieties of joy, different variations of human experience and values and transhuman experiences and values to get to that future, we need to navigate through a whole lot of human of companies and governments and killer drones and making and losing money and so forth. That's the challenge we're facing now is if we do things right, we can get to a benevolent singularity, which is levels of joy, growth and choice that are literally unimaginable to human beings. If we do things wrong, we could either annihilate all life on the planet or we could lead to a scenario where, say, all humans are annihilated and there's some super AGI that goes on and does its own thing unrelated to us.”
2020-06-22 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #103 – Ben Goertzel: Artificial General Intelligence · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“But it's largely tied to the pattern of organization in the brain, right? So if you upload yourself into a computer or a robot or whatever else it is, some element of your human consciousness may not be there because it's just tied to the biological embodiment. But I think most of it will be there and these will be incarnations of your consciousness in a slightly different flavor. And creating these different versions will be amazing and each of them will discover meanings of life that have some overlap but probably not total overlap with the human bends meaning of life. The thing is”
2020-06-22 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #103 – Ben Goertzel: Artificial General Intelligence · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“In another version that just became a super AGI as fast as possible, right? So, I mean, now we're sort of constrained to think one mind, oneself, one body, right? But I think we actually don't need to be that constrained in thinking about future intelligence after we've mastered AGI and nanotechnology and longevity, biology. I mean, then each of our minds is a certain pattern of organization, right? And I know we haven't talked about consciousness, but I sort of, I'm panpsychist. I sort of view the universe as conscious. And so, you know, a light bulb or a quark or an ant or a worm or a monkey have their own manifestations of consciousness. And the human manifestation of consciousness, it's partly tied to the particular meat that we're manifested by.”
2020-06-22 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #103 – Ben Goertzel: Artificial General Intelligence · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Make another version which fuses its mind with superhuman AGI and then will become massively transhuman and whether it will send some messages back to the human me or not will be interesting to find out. The thing is once you're a super AGI, like one subjective second to a human might be like a million subjective years to that super AGI, right? So it would be on a whole different basis. At very least those two copies will be good to have, but it could be interesting to put your mind into a dolphin or a space amoeba or all sorts of other things. You can imagine one version that doubled its intelligence every year.”
2020-06-22 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #103 – Ben Goertzel: Artificial General Intelligence · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I think getting root access to your own brain will enable new forms of joy that we don't have now. As I've said before, what I aim at is really. Make multiple versions of myself. So I would like to keep one version which is basically human like I am now. But keep the dial to turn pain up and down and get rid of death.”
2020-06-22 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #103 – Ben Goertzel: Artificial General Intelligence · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“That's it, yeah. I mean, honestly, there's. There is no one question that arises among all the others, really. I mean, what interests me more is upgrading my... What is the chemical formula for the immortality pill, then I would do that or emit a bit string, which will be the code for a super AGI on the Intel i7 processor. So those would be good questions.”
2020-06-22 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #103 – Ben Goertzel: Artificial General Intelligence · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Yeah, that would be cheating. But I guess I'm thinking of a I wrote a story with Stefan Buga once where these AI developers, they created a super smart AI aimed at answering all the philosophical questions that have been worrying them. Like what is the meaning of life? Is there free will? What is consciousness and so forth? So they got the super AGI built. And it turned a while. It said, Those are really stupid questions. And then it puts off on the spaceship and left the Earth.”
2020-06-22 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #103 – Ben Goertzel: Artificial General Intelligence · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“The Hut story has not been told yet, so we're gonna have to come back and you can interview the Het we'll leave that for the Hat someone interview. It's too much to pack into Is there a book?”
2020-06-22 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #103 – Ben Goertzel: Artificial General Intelligence · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Trillions are being spent to help everyday people in small businesses. In the end, we probably will find many more trillions being given to large banks and insurance companies anyway. Like, could the world put $10 trillion into making a massive holistic bioAI and biosimulation and experimental biology infrastructure? We could. We could put $10 trillion into that without even screwing us up too badly, just as in the end COVID and the last financial crisis won't screw up the world economy so badly. We're not putting ten trillion dollars into that instead all the street church is siloed inside a few big companies and government agencies and most of the data that comes from our individual bodies personally that could feed this AI to solve aging and death. Most of that data is sitting in some hospitals database doing nothing, right?”
2020-06-22 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #103 – Ben Goertzel: Artificial General Intelligence · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Massive data set, right? And then we need regulators not to stop people from trying radical therapies on themselves if they so wish to, as well as better cloud-based platforms for like automated experimentation on microorganisms, flies and mice and so forth. And we could do all this. Look, after the last financial crisis, Obama, who I generally like pretty well, but he gave $4 trillion to large banks and insurance companies, you know, now in this COVID crisis.”
2020-06-22 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #103 – Ben Goertzel: Artificial General Intelligence · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Longevity, what we really need, we need an integrated database of all biological knowledge about human beings and model organisms, like hopefully masculine redistributed OpenCog bioatom space, but it can exist in other forms too. We need that data to be opened up and is suitably privacy-protecting way. We need massive funding into machine learning, AGI, proto-AGI statistical research aimed at solving biology, both molecular biology and human biology, based on this massive...”
2020-06-22 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #103 – Ben Goertzel: Artificial General Intelligence · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“The exercise matrix gets, the less the transmission happens, which makes your body get worse coordinated between the different organs as you get older. So my friend Christian Schaffmeister at my alumnus organization, my alma mater, the great temple university, Christian Schaffmeister has a potential solution to this, where he has these novel molecules called spiral ligamers, which are like polymers that are not organic. They're specially designed polymers so that you can algorithmically predict exactly how they'll fold very simply. So he designed a molecular scissors that have spiral ligamers that you could eat and would then cut through all the glucosopain and other cross link proteins in your extracellular matrix, right? But to make that technology really work and be mature as several years of work, as far as I know, no one's funding it at the moment. So there's so many different ways that technology could be used to prolong.”
2020-06-22 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #103 – Ben Goertzel: Artificial General Intelligence · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Of your old selves with new cells produced by those stem cells. I mean, that could be highly impactful at prolonged life. Now, we just need slightly better technology for having them grow, right? So using machine learning to guide procedures for stem cell differentiation and transdifferentiation, it's kind of nitty gritty, but I mean, that's quite interesting. So I think there's a lot of different things being done to help with prolongation of human life. But we could do a lot better. So for example, the extracellular matrix, which is a bunch of proteins in between the cells in your body, they get stiffer and stiffer as you get older. And the extracellular matrix transmits information both electrically, mechanically, and to some extent biophotonically. So there's all this transmission through the parts of the body.”
2020-06-22 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #103 – Ben Goertzel: Artificial General Intelligence · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“You know, we haven't yet cured aging. We haven't yet cured death. Certainly, there's very interesting progress all around. I mean, CRISPR and gene editing can be an incredible tool. And I mean, right now, stem cells could potentially prolong life a lot. Like if you got stem cell injections of just stem cells for every tissue of your body injected into every tissue, and you can just have replacement.”
2020-06-22 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #103 – Ben Goertzel: Artificial General Intelligence · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Yeah, yeah. And I mean, I love, I've always, when I could live near nature, I spend a bunch of time out in nature in the forest and on the water every day and so forth. So I'm enjoying the pleasant moment is part of it. But the growth and choice aspect are severely limited by our human biology, in particular dying seems to inhibit your potential for personal growth considerably. As far as we know, I mean, there's some element of life after death, perhaps. But even if there is, why not also continue going in this biological realm? In super longevity, I mean...”
2020-06-22 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #103 – Ben Goertzel: Artificial General Intelligence · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Certainly, that's not all of it for me in a practical sense, right? Like, I have four kids and a granddaughter and many friends and parents and family and just enjoying everyday human social existence.”
2020-06-22 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #103 – Ben Goertzel: Artificial General Intelligence · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I think In terms of Meaning of life, this really ties into that because For us as humans, probably the way to get the most joy, growth, and choice is transhumanism and to go beyond the human form that we have right now. I mean, I think human body is great and by no means do any of us maximize the potential for joy, growth, and choice imminent in our human bodies. On the other hand, it's clear that other configurations of matter could manifest even greater amounts of joy, growth, and choice than humans do, maybe even finding ways to go beyond the realm of matter, as we understand it right now. So I think in a practical sense, much of the meaning I see in human life is to create something better than humans.”
2020-06-22 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #103 – Ben Goertzel: Artificial General Intelligence · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Three values joy, growth, and choice. I think you need joy. I mean, that's the basis of everything. If you want the number one value, on the other hand, I'm unsatisfied with a static joy that doesn't progress, perhaps because of some elemental element of human perversity. But the idea of something that grows and becomes more and more and better and better in some sense appeals to me. I also sort of like the idea of individuality that as a distinct system I have some agency. So there's some nexus of causality within this system rather than the causality being wholly evenly distributed over the joyous growing mass. So you start with joy, growth, and choice as three basic values. And those three things could...”
2020-06-22 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #103 – Ben Goertzel: Artificial General Intelligence · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Steve Vi or Buckethead or Christoph Penderchi or something, it's even there in Mozart or something. It's not there in elevator music too much, but that's why it's boring, right? But wrapped up in there is we want to hurt a little bit so that we can feel the pain go away. Like we want to be a little confused by what's coming next. So then when the thing that comes next actually makes sense. It's so satisfying, right?”
2020-06-22 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #103 – Ben Goertzel: Artificial General Intelligence · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“We seem to gravitate towards situations where the best thing in the large scale is not the best thing in the small scale. According to our subjective value system. So we gravitate towards subjective value judgments where to gratify ourselves in the large, we have to ungratify ourselves in the small. And we do that in, you see that in music. There's a theory of music which says the key to musical aesthetics is the surprising fulfillment of expectations. You want something that will fulfill the expectations elicited in the prior part of the music, but in a way with a bit of a twist that surprises you. And that's true not only in outdoor music like my own or that of Zappa or...”
2020-06-22 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #103 – Ben Goertzel: Artificial General Intelligence · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I don't know that for certain. Yeah, no, I'm more confident that we could create a non-human AGI system. Which just didn't need an analog of feeling pain. And I think that AGI system will be fundamentally healthier and more benevolent than human beings. So I think it might or might not be true that humans need a certain element of suffering to be satisfied humans consistent with the human physiology. If it is true, that's one of the things that makes us fucked and disqualified to be the super AGI, right? I mean, the nature of the human motivational system is that”
2020-06-22 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #103 – Ben Goertzel: Artificial General Intelligence · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“That is there, no, the question is. How flexibly can that morph as society and technology change, right? So if we're given that dial and we're given a society in which say we don't have to work for a living and in which there's an ambient decentralized benevolent AI network that will warn us when we're about to hurt ourselves, you know, if we're in a different context, can we consistently with being genuinely and fully human, can we consistently get into a state of consciousness where we just want to keep the pen dial turned all the way down and yet we're leading very rewarding and fulfilling lives right now I suspect the answer is yes we can do that but I don't know that”
2020-06-22 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #103 – Ben Goertzel: Artificial General Intelligence · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“This is a to an extent, is a research question that Humanity will undertake, right? Human beings. Do have a particular biological makeup which sort of implies a certain probability distribution over motivational systems, right? So, I mean, we, and that is there.”
2020-06-22 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #103 – Ben Goertzel: Artificial General Intelligence · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“This is a subtler matter. And I've posed it in this conversation in an unnecessarily extreme way. So I think I think the way you should think about it is what if there's a little dial on the side of your head and you could turn how much pain hurt, turn it down to zero, turn it up to 11 like in spinal tap if it wants, maybe through an actual spinal tap, right? So I'm in, would you opt to have that dial there or not? That's the question. The question isn't whether you would turn the pain down to zero all the time. Would you opt to have the dial or not? My guess is that in some dark moment of your life you would choose to have the dial implanted and then it would be there.”
2020-06-22 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #103 – Ben Goertzel: Artificial General Intelligence · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Death is good because you gain more wisdom as you approach dying. Of course it's true. I mean, I'm 53. And, you know, the fact that I might have only a few more decades left, it does make me reflect on things differently. It does give me a deeper understanding of many things. But I mean, so what? You could get a deep understanding in a lot of different ways. Pain is the same way. Like we're going to abolish pain. And that's even more amazing than abolishing death, right? I mean, once we get a little better at neuroscience, we'll be able to go in and adjust the brain so that pain doesn't hurt anymore, right? People will say that's bad because there's so much beauty in overcoming pain and suffering. Oh, sure. And there's beauty in overcoming torture too. And some people like to cut themselves, but not many, right? I mean, that's an issue.”
2020-06-22 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #103 – Ben Goertzel: Artificial General Intelligence · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Until you get sick of living, right? I mean, that's insanely obvious to everyone 50 years from now, and they will be so, I mean, people who thought death gives meaning to life that we should all die, they will look at that 50 years from now, the way we now look at the Anabaptists in the year 1000 who gave away all their positions, went on top of the mountain for Jesus to come and bring them to the ascension. I mean, it's ridiculous that people think.”
2020-06-22 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #103 – Ben Goertzel: Artificial General Intelligence · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“My goal with longevity research is to abolish the plague of involuntary death. I don't think people should die unless they choose to die. If I had to choose forced immortality versus dying, I would choose forced immortality. On the other hand, if I chose immortality with the choice of suicide whenever I felt like it, of course I would take that instead. And that's the more realistic choice. I mean, there's no reason you should have forced immortality. You should be able to live.”
2020-06-22 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #103 – Ben Goertzel: Artificial General Intelligence · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“People can make meaning out of death. And if someone is tortured, maybe they can make beautiful meaning out of that torture and write a beautiful poem about what it was like to be tortured. I mean, we're very creative. We can milk beauty and positivity out of even the most horrible and shitty things. But just because if I was tortured, I could write a good song about what it was like to be tortured doesn't make torture good. And just because people are able to derive meaning and value from death doesn't mean they wouldn't derive even better meaning and value from ongoing life without death, which I very Yeah, yeah. So if you could live forever.”
2020-06-22 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #103 – Ben Goertzel: Artificial General Intelligence · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Just record it there, like whatever. Maybe if I'm unfortunate enough to die, maybe that can be input to the AGI when it tries to make an accurate mind upload of me, right? Death is bad. I mean, that's very simple. It's baffling. We should have to say that. I mean, of course,”
2020-06-22 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #103 – Ben Goertzel: Artificial General Intelligence · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I would love to get time to really produce music well, like I haven't touched my sequencer software in like five years. I would love to rehearse and produce and edit, but with a two-year-old baby and trying to create the singularity, there's no time. So I just made the decision to... When I'm playing random shit in an off moment”
2020-06-22 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #103 – Ben Goertzel: Artificial General Intelligence · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Let me say I'm pleased and a little embarrassed. You've been listening to that music I put online. That's awesome. One of my regrets in life recently is...”
2020-06-22 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #103 – Ben Goertzel: Artificial General Intelligence · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Open COG 2.0 and true AGI as one of the sources of AI inside this decentralized network, powering the robot and medical AIs helping us live a long time and cure diseases, among other things. And this whole thing is operating in a democratic and decentralized way. I think if anyone can pull something like this off, whether using the specific technologies I've mentioned or something else, I mean, then I think we have a higher odds of moving toward a beneficial technological singularity rather than one in which the first super AGI is indifferent to humans and just considers us an inefficient use of molecules.”
2020-06-22 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #103 – Ben Goertzel: Artificial General Intelligence · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Move toward AGI out of this sort of synergetic activity of many agents cooperating together rather than just have one person's project, then who owns and controls that platform for AI cooperation becomes also very, very important, right? And is that platform AWS? Is it Google Cloud? Is it Alibaba? Or is it something more like the internet or singularity net, which is open and decentralized? So if all of my weird machinations come to pass, right? I mean, we have the Hansen robots being a beautiful user interface gathering information on human values and being loving and compassionate to people in medical, home service, robot office applications, you have Singularity in the back end networking together many different AIs toward cooperative intelligence, fueling the robots among many other things.”
2020-06-22 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #103 – Ben Goertzel: Artificial General Intelligence · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Stops being so good, right? If you believe that ATI is going to emerge sort of incrementally out of AI's doing practical stuff in the world, like controlling humanoid robots or driving cars or diagnosing diseases or operating killer drones or spying on people and reporting under the government, then what kind of organization creates more and more advanced narrow AI verging toward AGI may be quite important because it will guide like what's in the mind of the early stage AGI as it first gains the ability to rewrite its own code base and project itself toward superintelligence. And if you believe that AI”
2020-06-22 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #103 – Ben Goertzel: Artificial General Intelligence · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I think it's done a good job overall. It's been very welcoming in the third world, for example. And it's allowed advanced technology to roll out on all sorts of different embedded devices and platforms in places where people couldn't afford to pay for proprietary software. So I'd say the internet Linux and many democratic nations are examples of how sort of an open, decentralized democratic methodology can be ethically better than the sum of the parts rather than worse. And corporations that has happened only for a brief period, and then it goes sour, right? I mean, I'd say a similar thing about universities. University is a horrible way to organize research and get things done, yet it's better than anything else we've come up with, right? A company can be much better, but for a brief period of time, and then it stops.”
2020-06-22 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #103 – Ben Goertzel: Artificial General Intelligence · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Yeah, I mean, you can, there's Iceland, very nice country, right? I mean, very democratic for 800 plus years. Very benevolent, beneficial government. And I think, yeah, there are track records of democratic modes of organization. Linux, for example, some of the people in charge of Linux are overtly complete assholes, right? And trying to reform themselves in many cases. In other cases not. But the organization as a whole”
2020-06-22 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #103 – Ben Goertzel: Artificial General Intelligence · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“There's a lot of history of what happens with elite groups thinking they know what's best for the human race. So if I have to choose, I'm going to reluctantly put my faith in the vast democratic decentralized mass. And I think corporations have a track record of being ethically worse than their constituent human parts. Know Democratic governments have a more mixed track record, but there are at least”
2020-06-22 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #103 – Ben Goertzel: Artificial General Intelligence · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“But so far the track record of elite groups who know what's better for all of humanity is much worse than the track record of the whole teeming democratic participatory mass of humanity, right? I mean, none of them is perfect by any means. The issue with a small elite group that knows what's best is even if it starts out as truly benevolent and doing good things in accordance with its initial good intentions, you find out you need more resources, you need a bigger organization, you pull in more people, internal politics arises, difference of opinions arise, and bribery happens. Like some opponent organization takes a second in command now to make the first in command of some other organization. And I mean, that's...”
2020-06-22 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #103 – Ben Goertzel: Artificial General Intelligence · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Decentralization, you know, democracy is horrible, but this is like Winston Churchill said. You know, it's the worst possible system of government except for all the others, right? I mean, I think the whole mess of humanity has many, many very bad aspects to it.”
2020-06-22 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #103 – Ben Goertzel: Artificial General Intelligence · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“What they were doing was really genuinely for the good of humanity. None of them woke up in the morning and said, like, I want to do harm to good people because I'm just a nasty guy, right? Most people on the planet, setting aside a few genuine psychopaths and sociopaths, I mean, most people on the planet have a heavy dose of benevolence and wanting to do good. And also heavy capability to convince themselves whatever they feel like doing or whatever is best for them is for the good of humankind.”
2020-06-22 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #103 – Ben Goertzel: Artificial General Intelligence · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“DC, I worked a bunch with INSCOM, U.S. Army Intelligence, and I was heavily politically opposed to what the U.S. Army was doing in Iraq at that time like torturing people in Abu Graham. But everyone I knew in US Army and Inscom, when I hung out with him, was very nice person, they were friendly to me, they were nice to my kids, and my dogs, right? And they really believed that the US was fighting the forces of evil. And if you ask me about Abu Ghayab, they're like, well, but these Arabs will chop us into pieces. So how can you say we're wrong to waterboard them a bit, right? Like that's much less than what they would do to us. It's just in their worldview.”
2020-06-22 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #103 – Ben Goertzel: Artificial General Intelligence · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I mean, my cousin Mario Goetz from Microsoft since 1985 or something, and I can see for him. Mean, as well as just working on cool projects, you're coding stuff that gets used by like billions and billions of people. And do you think if I improve this feature, that's making billions of people's lives easier, right? So of course that's cool. And the engineers are not in charge of running the company anyway. And of course, even if you're Mark Zuckerberg or Larry Page, I mean, you still have a fiduciary responsibility. I mean, you're responsible to the shareholders, your employees who you want to keep paying them and so forth. So yeah, you're immersed in this system. When I worked in...”
2020-06-22 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #103 – Ben Goertzel: Artificial General Intelligence · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Some probably do, but it's not necessary that they do for the corporation. I mean, Google, I know a lot of people in Google, and there are with very few exceptions, they're all very nice people who genuinely want what's good for the world. Facebook, I know fewer people, but it's probably mostly true. It's probably like. Fun young geeks who want to build cool technology.”
2020-06-22 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #103 – Ben Goertzel: Artificial General Intelligence · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“The corporation is psychopathic, even if the people are not. And that's really the disturbing thing about it because the corporations can”
2020-06-22 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #103 – Ben Goertzel: Artificial General Intelligence · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“This, I think, is a greater risk to humanity from AI than rogue AGIs turning the universe into paperclips or computronium. Because what you have here is mostly good-hearted and nice people who are sucked into a mode of organization and Of large corporations, which has evolved. Just for no individual's fault, just because that's the way society has evolved.”
2020-06-22 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #103 – Ben Goertzel: Artificial General Intelligence · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Into these pathological corporate organizations with government cooperation and Google cooperating with British and US government on this as one among many, many different examples. Now, you can take your own DNA and do whatever you want with it, but the pooled collection of 23 and meat sequence DNA is just to Galaxo-Smith Klein. Someone else could reach out to everyone who had worked with 23andMe to sequence their DNA and say, give us your DNA for our open and decentralized repository that we'll make available to everyone, but nobody's doing that because it's a pain to get organized and the customer list is proprietary to 23NE, right? So, yeah, I mean, this”
2020-06-22 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #103 – Ben Goertzel: Artificial General Intelligence · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source