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  4. About you, but with so many options for banking and investing these days, also with accounts scattered all over the place, it's harder than ever to track finances. And that is why I am happy to recommend this episode's sponsor Monarch named Best Budgeting App of 2025 by the Wall Street Journal. Monarch brings your entire financial life together in one clean interface, letting you see your full financial picture at a glance. You can even have widgets that show you your spending and so on so that you don't have to even open the app your phone. One person on my team has tried four other budgeting apps and said linking his accounts on Monarch was by far the easiest, cleanest interface, etc, etc. Another one of my employees said Monarch has made it so much easier for her and her husband to be on the same page financially and to track spending as a couple. So why not get serious and get simple about getting your financial act together so you can see everything?

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  5. For the weekend, something to think about. If you'd like to try it out, just go to tim.blog slash Friday, type that into your browser, tim.blog slash Friday, drop in your email and you'll get the very next one. Thanks for listening.

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  6. Guys, this is Tim again. Just one more thing before you take off, and that is Five Bullet Friday. Would you enjoy getting a short email from me every Friday that provides a little fun before the weekend? Between one and a half and two million people subscribed to my free newsletter, my super short newsletter called Five Bullet Friday. Easy to sign up, easy to cancel. It is basically a half page that I send out every Friday to share the coolest things I've found or discovered or have started exploring over that week. It's kind of like my diary of cool things. It often includes articles I'm reading, books I'm reading, albums perhaps, gadgets, gizmos, all sorts of tech tricks and so on that get sent to me by my friends, including a lot of podcast guests and these strange esoteric things end up in my field and then I test them and then I share them with you. So if that sounds fun, again, it's very short, a little tiny bite of goodness before you head off.

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  7. Perfect. All right. We'll link to those in the show notes. People will be able to find that. You'll pin the video that gives people an overview of what we recorded earlier. We'll also link to the video we did together so people can check that out because that was a lot of fun. Thanks for taking the time. Yeah, I really appreciate it. And to everybody listening, as always, we will link to everything in the show notes at tim.blog slash podcast. Just search Ben Patrick, or if you want to type out knees over toes guy, it will probably pop right up, but you can search Ben Patrick and you'll find everything we've spoken about. And until next time, be just a bit kinder than is necessary to others, but also to you yourself. Thanks for tuning in.

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  8. And part of the way you work on this separately is doing things that you feel good about, that make you feel good about yourself. And so, for instance, if part of that is making things in the US, that in and of itself can more than offset the additional cost that's incurred compared to doing it overseas, like the actual benefit, and particularly since you're doing it with your wife, like the benefit to your family collectively. And if you're proud of that the way you radiate that to your kids, that's a lot. That's valuable. So nice to spend time together. Really nice to spend, as

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  9. Also, it's like enough is enough at some point. And what enough means will differ from person to person. But generally speaking, money's not going to solve all the problems you think it will. What you need to live an amazing life is much less than most people realize. And then if you cross the finish line, so to speak, with annual income or savings or some combination, invested capital in low-cost index funds, whatever it might be, whatever gives you the sense of psychological safety, once you get close to that or you get there, which can be a lot less than you might realize. And there's an exercise called dreamlining. They've searched my name in that. You can find it. It's costing all this stuff out. You'll realize that the other pieces of the puzzle that are so important are not in any way addressed by money, and you have to work on those separately.

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  10. Yeah, thanks, man. I really appreciate it. I've made plenty of mistakes along the way. Sure, I'll continue to make tons of mistakes. But the question I'd encourage people to ask, and I ask this in my personal life, ask this in my professional life, it's like, okay, if you continue to do this, if you continue to do X, whatever X is, and let's just say you do 2% more of it, or you do it with 2% more intensity every week or month over time, like three years from now, what does that look like? Be very aware of the trend line and the way it compounds. So in the case of, say, YouTube titles, okay, if you're exaggerating 2% and people accept that and you get better results, you think you're going to stop at 2%? Of course you're not going to stop at 2%. Now it's going to be 4%. And eventually you're going to cross a line

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  11. So don't overestimate the value of the dollars in your bank account and don't underestimate the value of having a consistent reputation for being trustworthy. And there's so many ways to fuck that up. And who knows? Maybe also, I mean, I'm very hyper vigilant. I'm very aware and over aware and probably over-emphasized dangers in the world. So I think there's also maybe it's work to my advantage in the sense that If you don't have your word, if people feel like they can't trust that, like you're done. It's just like it's going to be mad max for you. Not in a good way. I'm not sure exactly, but this is how I've thought about some of it.

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  12. Becoming a known quantity as someone who's very good at discretion, who does what he says he's going to do on time, those were ingredients that led to ultimately the angel investing and being able to invest in a lot of these startups and work with a lot of these founders. Inherently, I would be exposed to a lot of really confidential private information that's critical to their business success. So developing that trustworthiness through actions over time and people telling other people is what allowed me to do the angel investing, which ultimately returned much more than any self-employed business ever would have.

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  13. As soon as there is a seed of doubt, it is very hard to reclaim. Now, if I'm talking about long term being long-term greedy or long-term ambitious, because of that trust, And for instance, being very clear on situations, say in San Francisco where I lived at the time, having friendiers, as some people call them. So NDA, non-disclosure agreement, friend DA is basically if someone tells you something in confidence, even if they don't emphasize that you need to keep it confidential, basically not sharing things that anyone says to you. by developing

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  14. And I'm just like, man, can you imagine the annuity of this thing would have been good lord, but I don't regret it. And I'll say two things in addition to that that build on this. Number one is when people think about losing trust, which is losing your reputation, at least for me, there are many ways to think of reputation. I mean, I guess you could have like an Al Capone reputation. Like there are many different types of reputations. But if you have a reputation for being trustworthy, losing that trust does not mean that you do something so bad that everyone says, I can't trust him. I can't trust Ben. All that needs to happen is they ask themselves once, can I really trust Ben? Can I really trust this video? Can I really trust this? Can I trust this advice that Tim has given? As soon as there is a question, you've lost the trust.

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  15. Yeah, thanks. There are times that I'm like, fuck, that would have been so much money. You know, like I'm not like there are times it's not easy for me to walk away from that, right? There are times when I'm just like, oh my God, like I remember when the forebody hit number one New York Times and just kept going, kept going. And this book was published 15 years ago. And even I'll give credit where credit is due. Gary Breca put out a video about some components of the four-hour body and had this huge resurgence and like back on a bunch of bestseller lists.

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  16. Over Toast Guy, which is not to, you know, knock maybe it's just can't teach an old dog new tricks. I mean, I consum So clearly, there are brands that I trust typically who have been third party verified. Things have been tested because, my God, it is the Wild West, folks. Like there's no enforcement. So really do your homework on the supplements that you take. But that is all just a long way of saying there are some good players in the supplement sphere, but if I'm combining that in my case with a book that is purported to provide unbiased information, you can't believe those claims if I'm selling exactly the thing that I'm recommending. Now, that doesn't automatically mean that I've ethically compromised in some way, but people would be right to question it.

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  17. Even with the success of the four hour work week, royalties are very slim in a traditional deal. The temptation, therefore, to do something like that was huge. I was like, this is how I can secure my entire financial future. And I decided not to do it. Why? Because if I had launched a supplement brand, Everyone would have, not everyone, but a lot of people rightly would have said, well, we're asking a barber if we need a haircut. This guy is chilling his bags. He's selling exactly what he's recommending. How can I trust anything this guy says? And I was like, that is too steep a cost. Find another way to do it.

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  18. Abstraction, but it's a currency that we can use to trade for other things. Now, having that in savings could provide you with psychological reassurance for any number of reasons. Family childhood scarcity, who knows? So there could be that. Otherwise, you're trading it for things and experiences which ultimately translate to feelings. It's like, okay, where else could you get those feelings? Do you really need those incremental dollars with those trade-offs? So for me, I decided I didn't. And that's also the reason why, keep in mind, right, four-hour work week details my first real business, which was in sports nutrition. I know the supplement world inside and out. And when I launched the four-hour body, I had a huge audience from the first book that was waiting for my next book. I could have made tens of millions, maybe 100 million plus by launching a supplement brand to capitalize on every one of my main product recommendations. I'd be lying if the thought didn't occur to me. Especially at that time because

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  19. Toothpaste out of the toothpaste tube. You can't really put it back in from a public exposure perspective. There are lots of trade-offs, privacy-wise and so on, for being public facing, although a lot of folks who are long-term listeners and viewers will notice that I am not doing even a tiny fraction of the video that most of my colleagues or peers, certainly the up-and-comers. And there are costs to that. So I have my reasons for doing that. I want to have a family soon. I do not need any more facial recognition. I want to be very cognizant of protecting the privacy of my family. But have I left a lot of money on the table? Yeah, I have. But like, what are you using the money for in the first place? And this is why it's like, why, why? Just keep asking why. Why? So what? Why is that important? Then what happens? And if money fundamentally, I mean, it's sort of a story, right? It's like this.

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  20. And you'll make mistakes, but really trying hard not to do anything that will compromise the trust that your audience puts in you. That could be readers, it could be listeners, could be viewers, could be anything. And for that reason, I'm very cautious about what I recommend. I'm very cautious about who I have on the podcast. I'm very cautious about chasing any type of trend, hence that what I think is a Mark Twain quote. It could be someone else. Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it's time to pause and reflect. So in the case of the crypto episode, that was massively successful. I could have milked that, but it would have been the equivalent of killing the Golden Goose. Those are a few ways that I think about my sort of life that is at this point.

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  21. Sure, that my audience feels they can trust me, there are certain lines once you cross. If you do not deliver on the promise of a headline, if you do not deliver on the promise of a title, if you make a recommendation that costs someone time, money, or God forbid causes some type of injury, you're done. You're dead to that person. And for good reason, I feel like with a great audience, and that could be a small audience, it could be a big one, comes great responsibility. And I should say also this isn't because I'm some type of saint, like it's also being. Long term ambitious. For me, the greatest insurance plan, the greatest choose your metaphor, safety net, but also propellant for doing well long term is not doing anything.

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  22. Up in your personal feed on YouTube, and chances are there's going to be a lot of nonsense or a lot of misleading. And what I've learned is that when you develop an awareness of this, not that I'm holding myself up to be some paragon of personal excellence and integrity, but I recognize that it's a lot easier to get hooked on a drug than to get off of said drug and make no mistake. You're being trained by the platform. You're being trained by your audience. Those are all drugs that are very addictive. And there are lots of rewards for pursuing that. But to come back to what I said earlier, there are lots of trade-offs. And for me, also on top of that, I would say that I have worked so hard to ensure

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  23. Lost. You're just lost at sea. You're going to be lost. And it's a lot easier to get lost than it is to get unlost. And that has a trickle-down effect, right? So if I make decisions based on, and it's very hard and I'm not always perfect, if I allow myself to be steered by the most extreme things, perhaps that guests say, what am I going to do? I'm going to optimize for extreme. And then if I'm optimizing for extreme, why am I doing that? It's for views. Why do I care about views? It could be vanity. It could also be for CPMs and advertising. It could be for product sales. Well, what's going to happen to my headlines? Are they going to become the national inquirer for people old enough to remember that? They're going to become the most clickbaity, exaggerated, indefensible set of claims you can imagine. And you don't have to be a data scientist to realize this. Just go look at what you're.

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  24. Feel like particularly if you're in the online media game in any capacity. And by the way, you don't need to have a business to succumb to this. You might just have a personal page and you're being trained by the platform to be in the Vanity Olympics. And these algorithms are so good. And I know a lot of data scientists and PhDs who work at these companies, you're bringing a knife to a gunfight psychologically. So if you encourage yourself to be Captivated by those incentives.

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  25. Very smart. His life story is incredible for people who want to check out the podcast episode. And He said to me at one point because I was delving into television, he said, be very, and I'm paraphrasing, but be very careful about what you do in that first episode. Because if you pretend to be something that you're not and it's successful, you will feel the obligation to continue to do that. And there are a lot of risks related to that. And furthermore, if you're training yourself to respond to audience demands, Or whims or trends instead of some type of internal compass and simultaneously you're training yourself and these are often related to basically pursue the option that has the most economic

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  26. One because I want a diverse audience. Number two is that I would be training myself to succumb to audience capture. There's some great pieces that have been written about audience capture. But the way I would describe it, actually, I'll give, and I apologize that I can't remember the author's name. It's a really fantastic piece. But he starts with this example of a YouTuber whose channel focused on him gorging himself, just eating these kind of absurdly large meals. And he started off pretty thin and ended up as he was rewarded for these videos and as it became the corner he was painted into as he felt he needed to continue to rack up views serving people what they wanted he destroyed his health completely became obese put on this mask and if you wear a mask long enough you become the mask i think that's something that people miss and i recall just as a side note because i want to try to answer your question but there's a lot to it i remember i interviewed andrew zimmern who has been on men he's been on tv for decades now amazing guy

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  27. Words. Okay. What are the trade offs? There are always trade-offs always. When you make any decision, just like literally from the perspective of decision meaning cutting away related to incision, you're choosing one option among many. There are trade-offs. So what are the trade-offs if I commit to doing four or five more episodes on crypto? One is that I start to filter out any one in my audience who's not interested in crypto most likely. Some will be willing to indulge me because they have followed the podcast for a long time and want to see how I tackle it. But after four or five episodes, after a month or two, I will basically have called my audience of anyone who has not particularly interested. That is a very large sacrifice. Number one.

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  28. I paused in that moment, and there's this quote, it may be incorrectly attributed, but there's a quote that I have started almost every presentation I've ever given. So I'd be kind of hilarious if it were not attributed properly, thinking it's attributed to Mark Twain. But whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it's time to pause and reflect. It's roughly along those lines. So I looked at what was happening around me and I saw a lot of podcasts focusing on crypto. I saw a lot of media focusing on crypto. And I looked at in my mind telescoping for what would be the implications of me having these four or five people on. There would be a definite short or intermediate term reward. Lots of downloads. Very happy sponsors. I could probably increase my rates. I mean, there would be real financial reward.

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  29. At the time people were at home. This was during COVID. Crypto was on everyone's radar. All of a sudden people are using various means of finding something to do, including trading or quote unquote investing. And I use quote-unquote because it wasn't always investing. So there are many things that contributed to this episode doing well. And I remember having a chat with my team internally and they were like, here are four or five other guests who are also involved with crypto who we think would be very, very strong.

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  30. Yeah, I'm happy to riff on it. I would say that there are a few things that come to mind. And I'll maybe get there by way of example. So there was an episode I recorded a long time ago with a fellow named Bologi who's very smart and he's known for a great many things. He's actually been very accurate in predicting a lot of sort of geopolitical events and so on. Also happens to be incredibly technical and familiar with cryptography and crypto and so on. And I did an episode with him and it just exploded. And there are many reasons for that, but it ended up being, I think, at the time the most popular episode of the year. And there were a number of trend lines.

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  31. No magic sauce. Well, we've covered quite a bit. Ben, is there anything else that you'd like to cover any other topics you'd like to jam on? Anything that comes to mind?

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  32. Quick piece of trivia for people who might find it funny. Go look at really early photographs of Arnold Schwarzenegger posing and some of them have him standing in water where water is up to his knees because he was so embarrassed about his lower leg development. Alas, I haven't figured out how to wade through swamps up to my knees to cover my. Lack of development in the lower legs

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  33. I adjusted these and that was it, the sort of return on invested time is so much better than like the long tail of 30 exercises that I could try to do, it still makes me smile and blows my mind to this day how some of these things are just so inherently given their risk to benefit ratio so high yield. And it's really wild.

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  34. Trainings probably since I'm doing some rehab as well because of some current back issues, we're talking about two to three hours a week. That's it. And it's split up also into very manageable doses. It's not like I'm asking you to do a three-hour or two hour workout at once, but it is really to this day. There's still things I come across like the, in my case, I'm still elevated, but the front foot elevated split squat or the ATG split squat, or, for instance, the exercise that you showed me earlier, which is basically a seated, let's call it more constrained version of like a Romanian deadlift standing. People can find this on your pin video, I imagine. So I won't belabor the description or sled work where I still find these things. We're like, I think to myself, my God, if

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  35. And how much stability you will develop doing this and how much body fat you can lose just by making that the first thing you do. And in my case, I'm getting sun exposure at the same time for 10 to 20 minutes in the morning and then let that afterburn work for a bit. I would typically do that in the mornings and I would take some like a very, I'm talking like 300 milligrams of essential amino acids instead of branch chain amino acids, but that's a longer story. I would do the workout and then I would hold off on eating for a few hours and then break my intermittent fast at 2 or 3 p.m. But feeding that way and then doing weight training typically before like my second and last meal of the day for dinner, gaining muscle mass, not losing muscle mass. And the total, I mean, we're talking about weekly time if I'm doing it every other day. It's three or four, let's call it days a week. So that's an hour. And then the wait.

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  36. This is on a gravel driveway with mechanical resistance. You don't need to add much weight. So, what we're talking about just to do the math, let's just say it's 15 minutes, which often it would end up being 15 minutes because I would run out of gas, but 10 to 20 minutes, let's call it, I was doing that every other day fasted after a little bit of caffeine. And my God, can you get in good shape just from doing that? I mean, it sounds, and I'm sure there are some very high-level athletes or people who are doing 600 pound squats or 900 pound deadlifts who are going to laugh hearing me say this, but You might be surprised how much your legs will grow.

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  37. 600, right? So, I mean, it's on the grand scale of things, not just affordable as an investment, but also space efficient, right? Because the biggest knock against the sled is that you need space and the sleds are not cheap, particularly the sleds I really like, like the torque sleds, which I own. I love them. But here in Austin, I don't have the space for one. But let's just pretend you have access to one of these. Let's call it a sled for simplicity just so people can visualize it. Over this past summer, I did sled work where effectively, as prescribed by Peter T, if I'm doing VO2 max training, I would want to do like four minutes on, four minutes off. You can make it five or six or whatever. It depends on how hard you're pushing. And let's just say it's four minutes on, four minutes off for four rounds or five rounds or six rounds. And I would do that with the sled. And I would push.

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  38. Various hip activities, exercises, things like glute medius work, just things that you can do to stabilize everything else in effect that I did put some of in Tools of Titans with say some of Peter Tias exercises and so on. I would probably add chapter or sidebar on zone two training, which I still to this day find to be the most boring thing in the world. If I have to drag myself or whip myself to do anything, that would be on the high whipping scale. And I think that's about it. And there are probably chapters that I would pull out to further simplify things. And that's about it. I mean, these things are so reliable. And I would say to someone, for instance, again, this is going to sound like nothing, but if you have access to a sled and people can look at the resisted treadmill that you have also through ATG. How much does that cost?

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  39. Stress on the schedule, right? Stress on the family. And I would say that if I were to, and it's just these things are too long, and most of it, the vast majority of what's in the four-hour body, I feel is very defensible. It's become more defensible over time, which has been cool to see since it came out in 2010. But if I were to add a few things to it, I would add sled work or analogs like the resisted inclined treadmill, I would add a chapter on intermittent fasting. I would add a chapter on, it might not be a chapter, but maybe a side.

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  40. Dropping the bar so that you're not risking any type of hamstring strain and doing two to three sets of two to three reps. That's it. And you're taking big fat powerlifter rests in between those sets. The amount of strength that you can build doing that is head spinning. So I just want to emphasize that I don't have enough time doesn't really hold up to scrutiny if you're willing to scale back. And in fact, you can do a lot more with very little than you might suspect. To your point, there are also volume-based approaches. And I mean, polyquin, we talked about polyquin. He did a lot of high volume stuff with his athletes. Not everyone is going to tolerate that very well, nor is it going to be compatible with their schedules necessarily. So you find what works for you. And ultimately, the program you stick with is the best program.

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  41. Curious about possibly updating things, although there's not a lot that needs much updating, it turns out. And people gave various examples. There was a, I think it was an NFL player who was benched and got back to playing professionally using the prehab chapter and Occam's protocol. Occam's protocol is like 20 minutes twice a week resistance training and a handful of other things. There's another guy who chimed in. And I understand you can't believe everything you read on the internet, but I've seen multiple examples of this. He got to, I think, a 475-pound deadlift using the Barrier Ross protocol in the book. And Barry Ross coached Alison Felix and many other sprinters. It is the most minimal thing you could possibly imagine. And a crux piece of it is doing deadlifts to the knee and then effectively.

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  42. Even if your books do very well, there's just way too much of pushing boulders up the hill for me to write a book unless I feel like I'm gathering things that I need and can't find somewhere else. That was the case with the four-hour body. And this minimum effective dose, the concept, the MED, of finding the minimum effective dose, and you can look at many comparables, right? It's like there's a certain temperature at which you boil water. You don't need to get it 30 degrees hotter, right? If you go outside, there's a point at which you start to adapt in the sun and develop a tan. You don't need or want to stay out another hour, right? And you progress and you start to extend the duration, et cetera. It turns out that you can apply this almost everywhere. You can apply it to language learning with the highest frequency words. You can apply it to, for instance, I was asking on X back when it was Twitter, people for favorite chapters in the four-hour body because I was.

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  43. Yeah, the program you stick with is the best program. And I want to reiterate what you're saying because I write books to be references for myself, basically. If I can find a book that does the job already, writing is way too hard. The research is way too arduous. It takes way too long. I don't want to write a book. It also turns out to generally be a terrible way to make any money.

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  44. Maybe you start with one set. And I know people who have gotten into tremendous shape coming from a baseline of zero. No athleticism, nothing. And they're like, oh, I don't have time to go to the gym. I don't have to do that. I'm like, what about one push up before bed? What about one push up? Is there a reason you can't do one pushup? They're like, yeah, of course I can do one pushup. I'm like, okay, great. Do one push up. And then start turns into two and then it turns into whatever. And I know one guy, like within a few months, he was doing 50 push-ups before bed. He was seeing real results. And then that was the unlock. So that's a long-winded way of just saying. Get fixated on your limitations, you can always scale down.

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  45. And I want to give people a taste of some of what we recorded earlier in case they don't see it. And in effect, I'll summarize, but feel free to jump in. Because I'm a stickler for detail and I like exact recipes. Could be my OCD screaming at the back of my head, which is pretty often. The point you made, or at least that I heard, was you're not really a magic sets and rep sky in terms of some Goldilock's perfect protocol. And the reason I bring that up is that just like you can regress range of motion in a movement, you can regress the volume. What I would say is that. In pain free range of motion, a little bit can go a long way. So if you look at something.

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  46. Now you'll pin the video that you refer it to, which is sort of the recap of a lot of what we're talking about visually Do you recall the title of that?

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  47. We're not anointed by the YouTube gods, or for whatever reason have not had the views that you would like, where you're like, if I could point out one video that I wish people paid more attention to, could be any video. But like your greatest hits don't need the help, in a sense. Maybe you'd like to mention one of them, but if there's a lesser known video where you're like, man, this one's really, I think, quite important and it hasn't had the visibility.

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  48. What other principles, topics, exercises would you like to talk about? Maybe one way to edge into starting point for that is before coming here to do this recording and we did some movement earlier, I did what I've done a number of different times because your name has come up over the years and I've looked at your videos and watched a lot of them, sorted your videos by most popular. I'm sure a lot of people do that as a way to produce like a manageable shopping list of videos. So my question for you is Which videos

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  49. And they only had 100 in stock. Now they order 2,000 because they expect to be able to move those, and they don't. The hug of death is uh-oh. I'm not going to make this money back. And companies, small companies in particular can go under if they misgauge stuff like that. So you had the advantage where you're making them, I mean, from a global perspective right around the corner. So you could do just-in-time inventory.

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  50. More units than the history of the bar up to that point or something and I try to give people a heads up if something is going to land in the newsletter because what can end up happening is one of my fans termed it the hug of death. So the hug of death can take a number of different forms. It could be a website crashing, but it could also be where someone has a long lead time on ordering inventory. Let's just say they're getting it from China. Not that that's intrinsically bad. I'm not saying that is, but let's just say for them to get an order, they have certain minimums and so on. And they believe that these sales from the newsletter are going to continue at that velocity.

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