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Bertie Ahern

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  1. “I love campaign and I love campaign probably unlike a lot of politicians who don't like elections and I like campaign. I enjoy campaign. And when you're out there, you build up a big crew. And we were in an area which was, you know, Middle class, I suppose, but not upper middle class, certainly lower middle classes. And I had built up, I was elected to parliament in 25 years of age. I'd already been in the party a long time. And we'd built up a big support base, young support base at the time.”

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  2. “And some of his best friends in Cork, when he was in the Republican movement, were also Protestants, Jagos and Gashes. So the idea of the sectarianism of the North didn't rub with him because it was a different republicanism. And that is the distinction, I think, to this day, in a way. You can't argue that you're a true Republican and have been out killing your Protestant neighbor. I mean, that was not the definition of republicanism.”

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  3. “My mother, my father would go on Sundays. And I'd still be a practice in Catholic. But, I mean, my mother could be a tolerant person as well. I mean, funny enough, the role that I was the avenue, small avenue that I was, uh, Born into and still live quite near to it. It had a Protestant church, a Protestant graveyard, rector's house, a Protestant school. Because when it was built back in 1860 or something like that, it was a Northern Presbyterian group that had built a place. So it had very strong Church of Ireland tradition in the area. So a lot of my mother and father's friends would have been of Protestants. And a lot of the people that we would get messages for on the road were old people that were Protestants. So my father very much believed in that republicanism tone thing of Catholic Protestant and the center.”

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  4. “and lemon sweiss, which implied hundred to people. Like if those jobs are all gone, now all those people and those kind of things are working in IT, they're working in financial services. I was in Google, it was justn't too far from me last weekend, a place called Barrow Street, there are five different buildings there, about 8,000 workers. Now, 8,000 workers maybe in the UK style doesn't sound a lot, but in Ireland, 8,000 is enormous, enormous. You'll need to put the multiplier on, you know, when you're taking a population of 5 million, so 8,000. And these young people are all good jobs. And even though there's a few redundancies, it's very small. And we have 19, the top pharmacy companies. We've practically every TikTok has just made new announcements and taken on a huge metal. Microsoft, all the tech companies are here”

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  5. “It's a totally different place, even if you go back in 1971 now. But even if you go back, say, my first real campaign working, I've helped out as a kid because a school teacher in 61 election stud. So I was out putting up posters and climbing trees and things like that. 65, I was beginning to give out leaflets. And 69, I was doing my exam, so I did a bit. But in the first real campaign that I took part in was to join the EEC, European Economic Unit. And we were community. So that was my first campaign. But if you go back 50 years, that time, the industries in my area, just take my area in Dronchondra, was a button factory that implied a lot of people, mainly women, but a lot of people were very proud to have it there. There was a plastic max that should wear the football game. There was a Mac factory. We've applied a lot of it.”

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  6. “massively i mean that's that's where in the fall of lost a lot of that vote they've lost two pockets of vote they've lost a republican vote um quite a lot of it in people who wouldn't go near Sinn F ⁇ in once there was trouble but now that there's peace they vote for them and then the more working class you know people in Fina Fall traditionally would have been the party that had huge activists you know people out and Sean Masse one of the former Taoiseach says said you know that the real Labour Party in Ireland was feeling fall you know that was having to go with the Labour Party in Ireland rather than yeah But, you know, even today, the president that won the biggest unions here is a member of all my local area. So, I mean, there still is that at least.”

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  7. “Most finae people, I think probably nowadays, in the old days it would have been far likely to meet Tories because the legal class and the medical classes. Nowadays I'd say probably a lot of them would be labor. But it's amazing, but you find a lot of them when they go to America and make money. They tend to end up being Republicans. So Fina Gaylor has managed to go. So there is that DNA distinction. It's only fair to say, but in recent times, and particularly probably in the last 25 years since the Good Friday Agreement, I think it's probably harder to see the differences between Feel and Fall and Fine Gale.”

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  8. “Well now for years and years it came on what side your pairs were in the Civil War. That was the difference. And that continued on because economic policies were probably very similar. Social policies would have been different because Fine of Fall tended to be small farmers, small businessmen, blue-collar workers, as you described. Fina Gale were the legal class, the medical class professional class. Now that blurred through the decades, but it lingered on like Fina Fault support in my time would have been big working class support.”

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  9. “The basic difference was really over the oath, you know, that was they differed. It wasn't actually on partition, which most people make the mistake. It was actually the oath of allegiance, which they should have been able to resolve. But they couldn't resolve it.”

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  10. “No, it's not left right at all. What happened was the 1918 election, Sinn F ⁇ in were the party, Michael Collins and Devaliera and Arthur Griffith and all these people were all in Sinn F ⁇ in fighting for Irish independence. The Civil War, which, or not before the Civil War of Independence, which my father was involved in, they were all together, fighting the British. And then there was the 1921, there was the truce and the agreement. And then what happened, they divided on the terms of the agreement in 1921.”

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  11. “If it was out in the middle on the frontier straightforward battle IRA guys against things, that was the way he would have fought in his day. So that was the view they would have had. But civilian targets or shooting soldiers and lodgings or in bed or that wasn't war in their views.”

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  12. “Not really. Like my father moved on from he would have always been a United Ireland or meaning he never changes his attitude and that always would have wanted to see United Ireland. But certainly he went a deviler roof and when Devilera went in to set up Fina Fall, went a peaceful road. My father supported that. But he would have been very much against partition, very much against the land borders, we call it today. And we would have been quite extreme in his views, but never supported the sectarian attacks on civilians and bombings and that. He couldn't understand that. People of that generation, he totally understood going into the fields and the mountains and having the gun battles and fighting it out, putting bombs in shops and cafes. He just found...”

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  13. “I mean, if you take where my father's end would have been a bit of a richer, better land in Cork than my mother's place, and they were seen totally as an occupied force coming into the most ruralest places in the country. And, I mean, they did terrible things. I mean, they burned places out and they killed people. And, you know, they saw this. They were a backup to the army, but obviously the natives saw them as totally the opposite.”

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  14. “The Black and Tans, you know, what happened was they were brought over from England. We were all brought up believing they were all taken out of jail and brought over, but I think there were people who were probably in trouble in England, brought over to Lincoln and give back up to the military.”

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  15. “and they left them for dead. Thankfully, he didn't die enough of problems. But what they did is they went out and they had a whole lot of geese ready for Christmas. At that time people, the turkeys and geese for Christmas. The soldiers went out and shot all the geese, which was their livelihood. So I can tell you my mother never forgave them.”

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  16. “He rarely, rarely spoke about it. I don't know, but the unity he was involved with, they were corks, so it was the heat of the battle against the Tans. My mother and Fabio is called the Tan War. And, you know, they would have been certainly in the thick of it. And my mother was a staunch republic. And they lived in the mountains in a very rural place. And there were forever being raided. The tans came and her father had very bad arthritis arthritic. He was in bed and they dragged him out of the bed looking for information because where they lived was into the forest just on the edge of the forest. So what happened, the IRA used to go out that way and hide in the forest. And of course, nobody could catch them then. So he didn't give the information. So they threw him over the ditch.”

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  17. “Well, he would have been in, he was in Cork. My father and mother were both in Cork. So he would have been in the War of Independence and he was too young in 1916, but in the War of Independence, he was active and he was jailed. He was in three or four jails during this time. So he was out in active service. He was out with his gun.”

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  18. “Yeah, they weren't in the political party, but my father was an active member of the IRA, the old IRA, as I said, back in the 20s.”

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  19. “Well, I'm Bartolomew is the real name, but I think my grandfather was Bartolomew, and I think my great-grandfather was a Bartolomew, but none of them were ever known as Bartolomeu. I don't think I was ever called that. It was Bertie from the time I was born, I think.”

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