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  1. People say, you know, what was better winning two Senate races or winning two championships? And I said, well, when you're elected to the Senate, that means you have the opportunity to work 16 hours a day for six years to prove the people weren't wrong. When you are elected, when you are world champion, you stand with your fists in the air, chills going up and down your spine, smile aching, and you realize that that lasts about 48 hours, but that is a beautiful 48 hours.

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  2. Well, there are a whole lot of that. I mean, you know, it's just, I can't believe this, actually. It's just, it's sad, dangerous. And it's something that we're going to be with for a while and just have to organize and get out there and do what we can.

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  3. There are liberals and their conservatives, some people are liberal these three areas, conservative in those three areas. So you have to find where's your way in to touch the button in someone who agrees with you sufficiently to give you the vote even though they disagree with you on something else. Right.

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  4. And I think that, I mean, you know, I used to do town meetings in New Jersey's 40% Catholic. Someone said, what about abortion? And I would say, well, I'm pro-choice. But I really appreciate how you reached your decision because you're a deep religious convictions. And I think about Christianity. It is, okay, you view that on abortion. But Jesus also talks about helping the poor, protecting the world, protecting the climate. not being militarists, right? So you begin to find that way into the other, the person who you thought was.

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  5. Because if you look at the Trump, the people who elected Trump, I think there's a large segment of them that don't feel respected.

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  6. And in the course of the interviews, people reveal themselves about their lives, two types of interviews, one about the dignity of work, which are people who are doing something unusual jobs. It's groundskeeper of Finway Park, public health nurse in the Aleutian Islands, or people who are doing something selfless in their community, like the guy to shine shoes for 46 years in the Pittsburgh Children's Hospital. And out of every tip, he put a portion of that tip into a fund to pay for poor kids' health care. And the day I interviewed him, he put over $100,000. So the idea here, and I think this is something that I hope President Obama will also do, Is we have to learn to respect each other. We have to learn you can disagree, but you have to have President Obama.

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  7. I miss two things. I miss not doing public policy 24 hours a day. I love that. And I miss the people In all of their shapes, frustrations, fears, hopes, dreams. And so I try to fill each of those voids because they're there, they were filled by politics, now I write, try to write books or op eds or articles or come up with new ideas about how credits misallocated or whatever. On the substantive side, and on the people side, you know, for thirteen years I've had my radio show called American Voices, where I interview people about their lives

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  8. Limit money limits speech, and they're likely to do that. But that doesn't mean that you can't either do your version of what Coke does, organize state legislatures, etc., etc., have a plan, but it also means that you can go out there and promote public financing. It all matters who's elected. If you can get the votes, you can change anything in the country. My fear is they have been on the advance with the votes in the broadest sense for the last ten years. And we have had an extraordinary leader in President Obama. And at the same time, we've kind of allowed ourselves to be lulled into the feeling that an extraordinary leader at the top actually can make all this happen when it takes people. In the middle and in the bottom who are out there working no matter who the president is.

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  9. It's definitely related to the And gerrymandering, Supreme Court's now considering a Wisconsin case if they ever really did say that the Parisan gerrymandering exists and set another standard and have independent commissions that have to organize districts that are as close as possible, you know, fifty one forty nine, 5248. It would be a different country. And, you know, the money thing were stuck with this Supreme Court because they say money is speech.

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  10. And that's the stake that's going on right now. I mean, Donald Trump is actually not a part of this other than he's given the Coke people and the person of Pence the blank check to do whatever they want to do at EPA, at healthcare, or voter rights, whatever, right? And I see this and I say, that's where it is. That's before we get to the role money plays in politics. Well, it seems.

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  11. And unless you recognize that, we're going to end up in a situation where, I mean, we're in a very, very slippery slope here. If Republicans ever got control of the Senate, meaning got control with 60 votes, they'd have control of the House, the Senate, the presidency, the Supreme Court, 36 governors, and most state legislatures. And then you have the Coke Agenda, Protect Economic Liberty. If you look at that, and then you see what the Coke people say as well, they say, look, why do we have this big government? It's because we increase participation. and government response to the voters. So all you have to do is decrease participation. We have to decrease voting rights. We have to make it more difficult for people to vote. We have to move polling places, this, that, and the other thing.

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  12. and organizations are established that write laws for state legislatures if you take the Obamiers, the eleven senators were lost, thirteen governors, sixty nine congressmen, and nine hundred thirteen state legislatures. So if you ask me where you start here, you've got to start with state legislatures. And I'm so glad that what I hear Eric Holder is going to do, but they got to get going because it's not really sneaking up on people like the Republicans did in 2010. They can't sneak up. Everybody knows what the battle is, and you've got to go out there and organize. And to me, that's what it's all about. It's about protecting voting rights, getting more people to vote, and changing the system through the franchise.

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  13. Well, I think we're at a very serious juncture in this country. I think there are forces on the right, the Koch brothers being the thunder of them, who believe that the purpose of democracy is to protect economic liberty. Fighting global warming. Hurts economic liberty from their standpoint. Public schools hurt. They should all be private. Taxes, that's a taking, an unfair taking from somebody's economic liberty fruits, right? And this ideology is now out there in every state of the Union.

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  14. Our elections, the devising of a strategy, the purpose of which is disinformation, fake news, and trying to actually determine, increase the level of anger in the country, and determine the outcome of a presidential election. He's made himself, you know, he set things way back. Now, we could have a choice. We can either say, okay, we're back in the Cold War, or we can say, look, there's certain things that we still share. Let's reduce nuclear weapons. Let's reduce nuclear weapons. We do believe that we should counter some terrorism in the world. But you can't get a common agenda in a circumstance where the Russians have done what the Russians have done in the last five years.

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  15. Times more polluted than anywhere else in the world, we could have made a difference that other Americans did that. And so I look at this now and I say, that was the original sin. And of course, I believe that we didn't listen to the Russians or seek real partnership with the Russians. And I think then what happened? Putin came back a second time, and I think the second time was much different idea. Invasion of Ukraine, you know, it's not sustainable. I personally believe that when we decided to go for regime change in Libya after saying to the Russians, no, we're not going to do that. That was the moment Putin said, I'm coming back. Medvedev said, no, I'm going to have another term. And he came back explicitly having lost trust in the relationship and then making a few very bad decisions, like the invasion of Ukraine. Now the interference in

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  16. I had a friend who ran for president of Russia in nineteen ninety six and said he was out campaigning in the Earls, and an older woman came up to him and said, Are the Americans our friends now? And this guy was a liberal Democrat said, absolutely. The Cold War's over. They are friends. And she then looked at him and said, well, if they aren't friends, why are they sponsoring the expansion of a military alliance toward our borders, right? So the real question is, did we really give this a chance? And my argument all along is, and then when Yeltsin came in, we just helped the leader. We were identified with the leader. Of course, that meant a thousand percent inflation, thirty percent unemployment, as opposed to helping Russian people if we had instead said, put scrubbers on the dirty plants in the forty places where it's ten.

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  17. Well it saddens me profoundly the relationship between Russia and the United States today. I think that it was not handled well in the Clinton years I think that the original sin of where we are now was the expansion of NATO.

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  18. Well, what has happened? This is one of my hobby horses of the moment, is that credit is allocated to the wrong things in America. If you take a high-tech company, they don't need much capital because they invent a software. What's that cost? And it lasts forever, right? Or hardware, not a whole lot of capital. What you need for a capital is investment in plant and equipment in various places, right? But the whole code because the you treat debt and equity the same is skewed toward real estate, and large urban real estate, in particular, so you could argue to the people in southern Ohio or Pennsylvania or Wisconsin, look, the money that should be coming into your communities from community banks that will help generate jobs here is being taken by large real estate interests in major metropolitan areas of this country. And so

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  19. You're going to get very little growth because of that and a great distortion in benefit toward the upper levels because that's where the capital. You know, the rate's 20 now. Well, if it goes to 15, is that going to make a big difference? I don't think so. Keep in mind all these

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  20. I mean, the argument is lower taxes produce more growth. I haven't seen the evidence of that. I think that the Tax Reform Act, which were lower tax rates, but eliminating loopholes, I think helped, I remember Paul Volker coming to me in nineteen eighty seven as the chairman of the Federal Reserve saying, you got to do this tax bill. Why is that? He says, because I'm trying with interest rate to get these real estate tax shelters out, but I can't do it. You've got to change the law. Part of that was treating capital and labor the same So if you simply cut the capital gains rate or this crazy carried interest thing where income that's really income is treated as capital gains For a small group of people

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  21. No, I mean, you need infrastructure. Of the 50 top priority national priority infrastructure projects. And then you go down the list and fund them. And of course you know that the tendency is when you get here you got to spread it over every congressional district. So you spread it very thin over everything and nothing significant happens. I mean, you know, it's great for the bridge in Kankaki that went over the old town or went over the other highway. But how does that add to compared with putting a new air traffic control system in? Which saves billions of dollars, high-speed rail, port investment. You begin to make these kind of significant national investments. You then are beginning to deal with what's the backbone of the 21st century.

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  22. But the question is can he get anything? He could get that, I think if Democrats controlled the kind of infrastructure, not tax credits to a few rich friends, but real efforts to build high-speed rail, to build ports, to build this, that, and the other thing. Because

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  23. Anything And at the end of the day, it's going to come down to what can I get? I mean, we had a set of principles that guided us. Those who have more should pay more, things that we could measure what we're doing against. And now we don't even know what the bill is. We don't even know what the bill is. And the idea you're going to have something as complex as tax reform and put it out there and pass it immediately, I think is nice. It's naive. The only thing they can do maybe is they could get a repatriation of foreign capital if 30% of that was placed into government infrastructure bonds. You get repatriators of capital financing.

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  24. I think it's highly unlikely. I talked to Ron Wyden, who's the ranking member on the finance committee. And other Democrats haven't had any contact with Republicans on this, but for the reasons I outlined

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  25. Yeah, I mean, that's what Clinton did. I mean, Clinton larded the code with these provisions that are supposed to serve as social purpose, but they had to be so arcane and so narrow, what were they about? I mean, you can have a deduction if your grandmother has dementia between the age of 68 and 40 and 72. They become simply spending through the tax code and never reviewed as to its effectiveness. I'd much rather have an appropriation for my grandmother as dementia and then an oversight did this actually work or not. Because once I get into code, they're forgotten.

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  26. No. I mean, the rate was 28% and no capital gains in nineteen eighty six George Bush is elected in nineteen eighty eight In his first year people come back in, we need the capital gains exclusion. I said, look, you get the capital gains exclusion, there's only one thing that's going to happen. The rate's going to go up. Well, so they wanted their thing. The exclusion was put back in by Clinton and the rate went to 39%. And so you look at this and you say nothing is forever. And certainly even some of these biggest tax reform didn't last in the form we passed, partially because of the interest, partially because people see the tax code as a feeding trough for special interest. And so now the Value of loopholes now is over a trillion dollars.

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  27. Their political interest being served by pushing something against the grain of Washington as usual. And then, you know, it helps if you have a zealot. That was my role. I was a zealot. But you got to get all those things together before you can actually get something of that significance, that complicated through. And you have to know how to legislate. I mean, you know, we did this thing, we did this in 11 to 12 days. And we knew what we had to do because soon the interest would be awakened. And they thought it was over. They thought it was over when Pak went into the meeting of the finance committee and went to have the beer.

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  28. Gains rate would be 28%. And so it was, it made eminent sense, and it showed real leadership on Packwood and Rostinkowski's part and Baker's part, because he knew what was going on. He was the one who was inundated by the interest. I mean, I give a lot of credit to Jim Baker because people say to me now, well, we're going to get tax reform. I said, you need the following things if you're going to get tax reform. You need a present who is viscerally committed. Ronald Reagan was because tax rates were 90% and he wanted tax rates to drop. I was because when I was a player, I was a depreciable asset, right? And so you need a president who's committed. You need to have a Treasury Secretary who knows the substance and can cut a deal. You need to have the chairman of the Ways and Means Committee and the Finance Committee see that.

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  29. Sure I mean, it's good tax policy for capital and labor to be tacked the same. So there's a subset of rationale for that. But of course there was the capital gains tax exclusion. I remember going to Silicon Valley, which at that time wasn't as big, but it was still very powerful. And saying we're going to eliminate capital gains. And people were outraged and they said, well, we appreciate you telling us what you feel. We did 30 hearings. Every hearing we said, how low would the top rate have to go before you'd give up the capital gains exclusion? At that time, the capital gains rate was twenty-eight percent. People said, well, maybe twenty-eight percent. So we pass the law with twenty-eight percent top rate that taxed capital and labor the same, and there was a provision in the bill that if the rate ever went up, the capital.

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  30. And but we hung together and managed to push it through, and it could not have happened without bipartisanship. And, you know, about three years ago, Packwood and I were asked to come to the finance committee and talk about this. So we were talking about how it was done, the bipartisan group, and became pretty clear. To me, we were really having fun. Doing something very big that affected over a hundred million Americans and crafting and moving and passing. And of course, they shake their head, no, they're not having fun because they're not legislating. We were legislating And the key thing in legislation is you've got to listen to the other side and find some common ground.

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  31. Yeah, we cut the top rate from 50 to 28. 14 was the second rate. And eliminated at that time thirty or forty billion dollars worth of loopholes, and yet after that pass, the following years, the more of the tax burden was paid by the top one percent than previous, even though the top rate dropped from fifty to twenty eight, because those were the exact people that were using all the loopholes. All of the tax shelters, and in fact that was my first encounter with Donald Trump because he was vociferously against this bill because we were taking away some of his real estate tax breaks.

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  32. Of three Democrats, three Republicans in his office. And over a period of, I think, about 12 days, we met about four or five hours a day and wrote the Tax Reform Act of 1986. Went to the committee, pushed it, introduced it. We all hung together no matter what. There were three Republicans, three Democrats, and passed the committee twenty to zero, and then went to the floor and passed the floor ninety seven to three.

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  33. And Reagan had gotten behind it, and Baker was honing it, and it went the normal route, and Rosinkowski passed the bill just because of his own clout, and it kind of limped to the Senate. And so the Senate, and he called Pack went, okay, you're going to have to help me out here. You're going to have to do the heavy lifting. And Packwood then actually started down the road and got totally bogged down, at which point he and his chiefest staff went out and had a beer, and over a pitcher of beer they said, We're going to try that comprehensive tax reform thing that Bradley talked about and that the president has mentioned, right? So Packwood became a fierce tax reform advocate, great ability as chairman, smart enough to know he had to strike fast and you had to be bipartisan, convened a group.

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  34. In the house, Ways and Means Committee? He wasn't chairman at the time, wasn't he? Yeah, he was, he was he? And Bob Packwood, who was the chairman of the finance committee. And Reagan had gotten behind.

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  35. And say that he'd push for it doing so Democrats would take the tax initiative away from Republicans. He'd been on a finance committee and he knew Charlie Wrangel was there and he'd been on the finance committee on Ways and Means Committee. This could never happen. We're not interested. But Reagan had gotten wind and his people that this was possible. And so Reagan, before the campaign was over, called for a study by the Treasury Department of Tax Reform. And the Treasury came out with a study done by the professionals at Treasury, tax professionals. And the result was a really great bill. Well, how's were elicited and came back and did what was called Treasury 2? And then there was a shift between Jim Baker who went from the chief of staff.

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  36. Russell Long, who was the chairman of the Finance Committee, and said, Can you do eyes talk to joint tax committee? Give me some tax thing and I can go against. So I got to know Russell. I got on the finance committee in my first year, which was the best thing that ever happened to me. And that then gave me a platform. I wrote a book about tax reform three years after I'd been in the Senate, laid out the broad parameters of what Surrey and Peckman and others have said, and got Dick Gephardt to sponsor it in the House. And then in nineteen eighty four, the book was out, and I wanted to get Walter Mondale to endorse the Democratic nominee.

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  37. Well, when I was a player, I read some articles by a Harvard Law Professor named Stanley Surrey and then some by Joe Peckman and a tax economist who developed the concept of sincely tax expenditures, which are the credits exclusions and deductions that people use to reduce their tax and leave the rest of us paying more than we should. And then I read an article about Milton Friedman who said that you could get, if you didn't have any of that, you could get a flat tax of sixteen percent. And I thought, hmm, what if you put those two together? You could probably do pretty well if you cut the rates and eliminated the loopholes. So that was, and I remember when I was running the first time against this tax cutting conservative, I went to Washington and talked.

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  38. Sure. I mean, it was a great value to me that People had seen me every Wednesday and Friday night on television, in away games for ten years. It was celebrity, but it was a little bit more. When you're on the foul line with ten seconds to go, you either make it or not. And when you lose or how you handle things, people form an idea of who you are. And that meant that I'd have 200 people in a room when I went to campaign because they were curious. Instead of 20, which meant I had an opportunity to succeed or fail before two hundred people.

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  39. The economy tried to move it to environment or transportation or the shore always got back to this. We knew each other's lines so well. We knew what others were going to say. So we were debating between a county chamber of commerce. And we get into the Arcania of the gold standard, you know, and I look out in the audience, I see these guys, you know, these small businessmen look at each other. I think of him and say, this is our choice. But it was a great campaign, and he later, when I became an advocate for tax reform, he became an ally. And I remember on election night, not election night, but the night the Tax Reform Act passed in 1986, I went back to my office with my chief of staff, the chief taxpayers, my wife. I was the head of common cause, and my opponent in nineteen seventy. He was part of the group.

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  40. Instead a young tax cutting conservative beat him in the primary. And then in the first campaign, and I think what ensued was one of the more unusual campaigns, we debated each other 21 times. And his big issues were tax cuts and the gold standard. I tried to move it to

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  41. Ah, roughly one year after I played my last game I was a Democratic nominee. In New Jersey In what would be viewed as a hopeless race against the twenty four year incumbent, Republican, Liberal Republican, who everybody thought would wipe the floor Clifford case. Yeah, Clifford case.

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  42. My home was the small town in the banks of the Mississippi River, so I thought if I'm going to do pile, go back there. But then I realized that I was much more comfortable in New Jersey and the east since I'd lived here for ten years, twelve years, and I then decided that since my wife then was teaching in the New Jersey college system and I'd been in the Air Force in New Jersey and I'd gone to Princeton and I'd spoken all over the state when I was making religious testimonies when I was in college that New Jersey was the place that I make sense and so that's where I left New York and moved to New Jersey.

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  43. No, I spent a very terrifying evening a long letter to the coach Vic Bubas. But I think that the point here is that life has its turns, you know. And I ended up at Princeton and that turned out to be make all the difference in the world. And I remember one day sitting on the Senate floor with Terry Sanford. Now, Terry Sanford had been JFK's young commerce secretary. He had been governor of North Carolina twice, and he was President of Duke for 10 years. So we're sitting on the second floor and he looks over at me, says Just as well you didn't go to Duke. I thought, what do you mean? What do you mean, Terry? I said'cause you'd have never beaten Jesse Helms. I thought, you know, you're right. You're right.

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  44. Well, you know, it turns out and then the stories I sign an athletic scholarship to go to Duke, and the Duke class was supposed to begin on a Wednesday president freshman class on a Monday on a Friday night. I came home from a date and said, I've changed my mind and want to go to Princeton. Next day they called the admissions office and on Sunday night I was headed to New Jersey and the coach didn't even know I was there for five days.

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  45. Well, when I was in high school growing up in this little town, my family had a basement and in a basement where life magazines from nineteen thirties. So my way of understanding and seeing the world was reading these life magazines. And so I always dreamed that I would go, I would like, and I grew up in a family where service was important, not the idea of public service, but service to your fellow man. And so I decided I wanted to be a diplomat. That's how I was going to serve. I traveled the world. I would represent the United States, foreign policy. And so one of the reasons I applied to Princeton was because of the Woodrow Wilson School. Because that was a diplomat training program.

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  46. This is Harry's reinterpretation 40 years later. I mean, he did recruit me, and actually we lost on a Friday night to our big rival. And the next morning at 9 o'clock, I was back in the gym, and they still had the seats down in the popcorn, and Harry showed up at that moment. So he became somebody who really promoted me, but that story is not something I would say.

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  47. Play He did it for all players in the future. You ask people a day, why is the average salary in the NBA next year going to be almost $8 million? Because people can bid for their services. And there's always some crazy owner who'll pay more.

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  48. And who was the president of the Players Union at that time? And it was that lawsuit that broke the reserve cost. The judge agreed with us and the reserve clause was broken. And Oscar, who's got great leadership skills and is a wonderful human being, and he's never gotten credit for this. That's why when I hear Sam Smith has written this book, I love talking to him about that's great because Oscar will get the credit he deserves as being the guy who stood up and said yes as a player's union we're going to do this and not

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  49. And so we went down there, we organized, we testified for the judiciary committee, we visited centers and congressmen, made our case, and so we stopped that. But the issue was, how do you break the reserve clause? Well, we filed a lawsuit. It was called the Robertson Lawsuit.

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  50. But we got wind that they were going to do the same thing that the football players did, AFL, and NFL, and that was merge in order to do that, you had to have an antitrust exemption. Russell Long got that for them when he was a senator from Louisiana in exchange for New Orleans getting an NFL team.

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