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Bill Kristol

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“Defending democracy together, and that's also just defending democracy together, and the bulwark, bulwark.com, I think you'll find it's really a great book.”
2019-10-28 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Bill Kristol · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yes, and people underestimate sort of it once that starts to erode, I kind of think we have a lot of infrastructure here to prop us up and a lot of social capital, so to speak, to prop us up. But you worry that it could tip over faster than people think.”
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“The fragility, I think, of decent politics. And we've had them pretty, I would have overstated. I mean, God knows slavery and segregation and a bunch of other things. But I mean, still, you know, it's progress.”
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“Trump loses but denies that it was a fair election. But let's just say he leaves office ultimately. Elizabeth Warren becomes president. Let's leave aside any judgment we're done on the merits of her policies. But the business cycle still exists and there's a recession in 2021 and something goes awry somewhere in the world and nuclear weapon goes off somewhere or something. Maybe not her fault at all. I don't know. Is the reaction on the right, you know, we have to be responsible and have serious people now as our candidates in 2022 and 2024 or is the reaction on the right? Trump was right. He was robbed. What we need is younger versions of Trump who are less flaky and less undisciplined than Trump. That would be the nightmare scenario, I think, where you get sort of Trumpism, a worse version of Trumpism on the right. I don't know what the left would do in that case, but it could be, I mean, people underestimate.”
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“And aren't more of those people? Is Trump the kind of thin edge of the wedge, or is he kind of a one-off? And I think you could argue that a little bit both ways.”
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“So the good news So I'd say, yes, part of me, and I'd extend that a little and say, no, I look around at the younger members even, the people running for office, they're not that trumpy. And so I kind of think it's not the blueprint, maybe. And then I think, I don't know, are we confident that Tucker Carlson's not going to run for president in 2024? And if he did, wouldn't he be the front runner in the Republican race, though, honestly, or someone else from Fox or someone else?”
2019-10-28 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Bill Kristol · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I'm less pessimistic than most people, I would say, because I. Here's my Trump obsession. I think if Trump weren't president, if Hillary Clinton were president and we were having sort of normal fights and stuff, I think we would all be unhappy about certain aspects of the modern media, and correctly so, and worried about them and maybe dealing with them or not. But I kind of think Trump, just the accident of having, as you said, a media-friendly modern media-friendly Hyper demagogue as president has accentuated everything. Now, maybe that will be healthy in the sense that it forces people to come to grips with stuff in a way that we wouldn't have to if we had a more traditional White House and people wouldn't have to think that much about how much opportunity it offers to demagogues and foreign actors and bad.”
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“That's not how it's going. So, the state of the modern media, I want to end up where do you see it? You've been participating in it. You've also been an analyst. You've been a pundit. I mean, I'm less pessimistic.”
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“Make things as responsible as possible while you're going through this transition. I mean, I think there's a certain amount of, you know, if only we could figure everything out, we can sort of get to this end state. That's not how it's going to work. But you can at least minimize the damage as we go through it and maximize the kind of opportunities. Part of that is probably not foreclosing options too much, because you want to keep a lot of flexibility as we learn new things. But also for the sake, I mean, some core principles and values like liberty and truth, it's worth fighting pretty hard, I think, to make sure they don't get drowned in the...”
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“What's that The possibility? No, but I mean, seriously, I kind of feel like we're in the early stages. 100%. Not a late stages. And if you just look at history, if you're in the early stages of, I don't know, the printing of the revolution, which led to the book, people didn't, it just, it's asking a lot of people to sort of imagine what it's going to be like when they're mass-produced books all over the place when you've got like a few of them floating around and it is beginning to change things. And I kind of feel like we're in that situation. It's pretty hard to. So I think history would suggest you should do is try to...”
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“Are we? That's what I can't tell. Are we most of the way through and we can sort of think about what the new forms will be? Are we 20% into it and we're still in total?”
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“Our little defending democracy together puts out the bulwark, which is a website that has Jonathan Last does an excellent job, three or four pieces a day, which are mostly kind of focused on Trump and politics, obviously. It's not a full-scale magazine. It tries to be funny, tries to be lively. Steve Hayes and General Goldberger starting the dispatch, which will be a little more maybe like the weekly standard was as a website. I think there's a case for aggregators, though everyone's doing aggregators, so there's too many aggregators. Someone has to aggregate the aggregators, but in the sense that I personally don't find it useful to have someone tell me, here are three really good articles on tech. I'm sure there's five things you really should read to figure out from this week, to figure out what's happening on China and AI and surveillance at all. But someone like me haven't had such a sea of information. So I guess I think it'll look pretty different by the, I don't know, one question also, how far into this revolution?”
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“Yeah, yeah, though the Atlantic is a more established brand. But I mean, really obscure things. And if you have particular interests, it's a great way to find things that you wouldn't otherwise find. So I'm not an, I've always been sort of bullish on the modern media landscape in the sense I think people overstate how good things were in the good old days and understate the actual educational and informational possibilities of the new era, which are really pretty fantastic in many ways. But it also, you know, there's also a price that's paid, and I'm not sure anyone's quite figured out how to get to a reasonable balance on this.”
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“Which is fine to a degree. I mean, you can guess some terrific, I read a lot of terrific stuff from magazines I would never have subscribed to or websites that I wouldn't know about because someone linked to it on Twitter. And I say, whoa, this is real.”
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“I guess I have this sort of conventional view that it has changed a lot. I mean, the brands are individuals, no longer the entities quite as much as a little bit still with the Times, I suppose, and a couple others. But I really could see this in real time with a weekly standard, where at the beginning we spent a lot of time thinking about each issue of the magazine, of a balanced foreign policy, domestic policy, culture, something light and funny, something serious and long. So magazines even think that way anywhere should they? Some people buy the actual print issue and like, therefore, having a variety of stuff, but most people read it online and you read this article, you don't read that article. So it just becomes a collection, not just, it's a collection.”
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“And part of me thinks that people like me, not that I have much to say about this, but you know, it should be more focused on that and not on Trump. But on the other hand, until you fix Trump, it's a little hard to get this other stuff fixed. So it's a sort of a, you know, I think if Trump is, we have these underlying medical problems, you know, but if you have a bad infection, you can't kind of get to fixing the medical problems until the infection gets purged from the system”
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“Huge amount of time. I'm writing about it all the time. I'm like, look, over here, like over here, there's things happening that are really disturbing from a military point of view, from a technological point of view.”
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“The technology is going to exist. I think they're a waste for it to exist compatible with basic liberties and basic freedoms of a liberal democracy. But the degree to which we've just become, this was already happening, I suppose. We were not having a serious discussion. Trump has made it 20 times harder to have a serious discussion. But yeah, it's getting pretty urgent, don't you think? I mean, we don't have huge amount of time.”
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“Yeah, now with AI, I mean, probably actual actually being ahead of us or manufacturing stuff that's ahead of us even if they're not really scientifically ahead of us. If we were a serious country, I had this conversation actually with the tech guy I mentioned earlier and then some military people I talked to too, yeah, we would be treating this the way we treated nuclear weapons in the 40s, 50s, 60s, not that we got to that all right, but an awful lot of people spent an awful lot of time thinking about what will that world look like, what are the appropriate foreign policies, how do we minimize the spread of them in terms of irresponsible action, how do we make sure we don't by mistake, use one or our enemy doesn't by mistake, use one against us and give the missile crisis as the great case study of how close we got on that, are people even thinking though in a serious way about AI, cyber, all the things that could happen to say nothing of the kind of Orwellian surveillance type stuff, which again we shouldn't be”
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“One of the worst things about Trump is that he'll discredit some things where he has been directionally correct or he'll, you know, it's such a distortion to think the problem is China manufacturer. No, it's not plastic toys. Stop with the plastic toys. And, you know, it is the IP theft, but especially the text off and especially. Tech theft.”
2019-10-28 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Bill Kristol · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Unless I want to finish up on China. So, one of the things Trump's doing is tariffs and everything else, and obviously the big issue with tech and what they've been doing in terms of innovation and surveillance and other things. And there's a whole raft of things that go along with it, which is AI development, which is facial recognition, which is all kinds of things. To me, a lot of people aren't looking at the sort of the ascent of China. Trump is sort of directionally correct in that regard, especially in terms of tech. I've talked to lots of military figures and others. They feel like this is the real challenge, the technological challenge from China over the next 25 years.”
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“Right, or you want to give people probably a lot of people a path back to respectability, but you're not going to purge. As with France, actually, they kind of turned a blind eye or with the communist, you know, after 1989 to what a lot of people did. But you do need also a breakpoint where people say that was not legitimate.”
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“Said that right. Do you know what I mean? Right, right. Because otherwise, what have they been doing for the last three years? Yeah, the Vichy France problem. Uh oh. You were, you know, kind of cooperated with.”
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“Few years ago or so, and partly that's because of the endless accommodation. So suddenly there are a lot of Republican senators and congressmen and even some governors and stuff and younger officials and whatever activists who have a sort of vested interest in Not delegitimizing Trump, if I said that right. You know what I mean? Because otherwise, what have they been doing for the last three years? So that's a big problem too, I think.”
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“Having said that, you know, these things aren't predictable. We don't know who the Democratic nominee is going to be, so I don't have any great insights. I worry that Trump wins, I really worry about the country. If Trump loses, I still worry about a lot of people that assume, okay, well, Trump's done. The Republican Party goes back to being a sane party, and the Democrats hopefully govern well, and everyone goes back to kind of semi-happy outcome. I don't know, to the Republicans come back to being a saint, does Trump go away? I don't think so. Does Trumpism go away? Don't other people learn the lessons of Trump. I'm very worried on the right that it's going to be much harder to get rid of Trump and Trumpism than I would have thought.”
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“I mean, I guess I have kind of a conventional view, which obviously could be wrong sometimes, and now everyone spooked because it was wrong in 2000 to some degree in 2016. I mean, I think Trump's a weak incumbent. Just if you look at the numbers and the Democrats should win on a referendum on the Trump presidency, he doesn't won over any voters to speak of, and he's lost some of those who voted from as sort of taking a gamble in 2016. It's harder when you're an incumbent than if you're the disruptor who's going to come in. A lot of people rationalize Trump. They'll disrupt things. It'll be fine. He's people a little nervous now about where that goes in a Trump second term.”
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“Like a phone tree. Yeah, at 10 p.m. on election night. Yeah. Let's assume a good election, or one that isn't so bad this time without flood of disinformation from the Russians, which is coming or Iranians or Chinese or anyone else. How do you assess the election going forward with the Democrats?”
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“Right. And everyone has to be involved ahead of time. That's the main thing. The main thing that came out of our scenario was almost there have to be people with everyone's cell phone numbers at their disposal. Like a phone tree. Yeah, at 10 p.m. on election night if something goes wildly haywired at the vote counting in Florida to say, wait a second, and everyone has to agree we're going to fix this and get this right. And meanwhile, let's just be quiet about nuts, not incite people.”
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“I think if you could get Rupert Murdoch and whoever the head of NBC was, whatever the equivalent would be on the left, and about 10 other people together ahead of time to agree, look, if we have a genuine, if 50 communities lose power in the grid and they're predominantly Democratic or Republican, and so there's an issue of them having to redo the parts of the election, everyone is going to counsel calm and patience and responsibility for the first 48 hours and knock at a broadcast inciting Tucker Carlson, inciting people to riot. That at least would be something. But we're not even, I don't think people are even talking about that. No”
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“Disclaimers is how they work, but they don't work very well. I mean, it didn't really work in the New Zealand killings. They couldn't pull those down fast enough. And they can't control it as it goes through. And I think taking off is the only thing, actually.”
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“Well, and or at least further that one way to deal with that, maybe you can't really force Jack Dorsey to do XYZ, but you could have a commission that's met with him and with Zuckerberg and everyone else for the weeks and months before the election and has at least tentatively agreed to some protocols that everything will just put everything on hold for six hours till we find out what's going on. You rephrase that Trump has used, or we'll have disclaimers on every, you know, whatever.”
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“Yes, they should do scenario building on all these things. The scenario I said was that if he loses and then goes on Twitter saying, I didn't lose, rise up, what do you do if you're Twitter? The answer should be obvious. Take him down. He's not the president. He's newsworthy anymore. Should you let someone lie about and cause possible damage? But then everything is left in the hands of a guy who doesn't eat enough, Jack Dorothy. Like, okay.”
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“Yeah, that's my sense too. Yeah. So that's bad. We may try to do some stuff we, I mean, others in the sort of democracy world may try to spendation and private money to sort of get some stuff going, but obviously would have less. Oomph and less credibility if it's a bunch of people saying we've got a commission as opposed to a kind of official. Yes.”
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“Who sets up that? Yeah, who does I'm pretty worried that that isn't happening. Look, Mitch McConnell slow rolled the election security in Congress for the longest time. And it's still not adequate. It's so inadequate compared to the challenges they face.”
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“A government thing, or you could have the government, incidentally, in a normal situation where we weren't insanely hyperpartisan, presumably Mitch McConnell and Nancy Pelosi could agree on the following 10 people of distinction, retired judges and retired media executives who would sort of be part of this and then they'd hire some capable staff and at least put out alerts as to what's happening. I'm pretty worried that that isn't happening.”
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“You know, headed by whatever, you know, Colin Powell and Madeline Albright, but with a lot of different types of people on it that would have the ability to say, hey, four weeks out, there's a problem it looks like in terms of a massive wave of disinformation coming from here. Or, you know what? I think we need an emergency appropriation to make sure the voting machines work here. Or if the grid goes down, let's agree ahead of time that there'll be an extra day of voting in the places it goes down and not let demagogues on either side sort of try to take advantage of it on election day itself. That would maybe do some good. And so we all agree to do some good. We all agreed that it's not clear who is in charge of that. Who sets up that? Yeah, who does? Maybe, well, maybe like civil society, you know, people have to get together in the Ford Foundation and the Rockefeller Foundation or whatever give a lot of money, not a lot of money, but a little money, honestly, and you get a few people to run this thing and it's a kind of like League of Women Voters kind of thing, right?”
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“Maybe this prompted it. Honestly, maybe it did, actually. Now I think about it. Fox would be magnifying those charges. People would be taking to the streets from the other side to ensure that the true results. And what does that look like? And that really does look like some third world country where you don't, you know, there's sort of turmoil and violence. Maybe ultimately it kind of works out. And so one thing we came up with, which is totally, you know, wouldn't solve it, but might help. Well, shouldn't it be some kind of We have ways when we go abroad, we do send observers with a pretty big infrastructure behind them who try to help these young democracies have free and fair elections. And they have people who observe the election places and people who know about the computer systems and people who deal with the media people and try to check excessive demagoguery and stuff. Maybe we should think about our own election in that way. And maybe this sounds kind of gooish, but I mean, maybe a bipartisan commission.”
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“Quickly. I mean, so Republicans for the rule of law, which is a group we stood off out of our defending democracy together, has done a lot arguing for more election security legislation and funding from the Hill. Again, we're not experts, but let's err on the side of caution here. You know what? If an extra half billion dollars could really let the states secure the actual voting mechanisms from being hacked and”
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“I didn't start the swamp thing, my friend. I didn't start the swamp. So when you are operating this situation, we have the government still unwilling to really regulate tech, obviously, and having a huge or a bigger and bigger impact, election security is a big issue. Disinformation is one. You're not a technical person, but if you look at all these different things, you have disinformation, election security, Attacks on the grid possibly things like that, Russian influence. Which of these things do you think we all have to get together and deal with more quickly?”
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“In a sense, right? Well, not so much. Or would they? Innovation. Well, we'll talk about that next when we get back. We're talking with Bill Crystal, the director of Defending Democracy Together and obviously a well-known political analyst. And we're going to talk about where things are going to go from here as we move into the election and also the Democrats.”
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“And so Facebook has a point that it's not like five Facebooks would be any different from one Facebook, I suppose, in a sense, right? Or would they? Innovation.”
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“Well, that day has passed, Bill. Right. You know, I think every congressperson really does understand the impact of this. And oddly enough, the right and the left tend to agree it's just what they agree about is different. Like you have a Josh Hawley talking about bias, which is just ridiculous because Josh Hawley never shuts up online. Like, I'm sort of like, where?”
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“Abolish the radio doesn't mean we should, you know, we could if we wanted to, et cetera, but these things do have political effects. So I'm not too sure about the regulatory situation. I do think that big tech companies have been bizarrely unwilling to even have an educated discussion about it though and they've been irresponsible I was on a panel with Eric Schmidt a couple of years ago and I really don't as you can tell from this conversation don't know that much and don't have that much of a review of it and I said aren't these legitimate questions though it seems to me and he was just unwilling to Well, that day has passed.”
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“Probably, you know, shouldn't maybe. And I don't know. So I think it's a big challenge, though. Other huge communications revolutions have pose challenges to, you know, what kind of regulations they need. I hadn't really realized this. I read something about the 30s. I think the radio was an important part of Hitler's dominance of Germany. It got him break through the established forms and speak directly to the people. It doesn't mean we should.”
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“Right, right. And Kamala Harris in the Democratic debate started to get into it oddly enough with, it's interesting because I wrote a column about this saying, look, he's breaking the laws all the time and Twitter is going to do nothing about it. And she went a step further and said, let's knock him off. And I was pointing out they're never going to knock them off.”
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“Why does one person have 92% market share of search and white is Facebook dominated everything? And so then there was reasonable discussion about, as I say, antitrust, limitations, breaking up parts of it, making you own your information much more easily, et cetera, et cetera, not letting them sell stuff. But the level of discourse on the political side is just idiotic, I think. Joshua gives these tub-thumping speeches about Facebook and about big tech. And I sort of read a couple. I thought, well, maybe this will be interesting. And the solutions are just idiotic. They have nothing to do with the actual problems.”
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“So I'm ambivalent. I mean, I'm not opposed in principle to some regulation, maybe greater regulation or some different kinds of regulation or antitrust and other things like that in the sense that, but on the other hand, I also see do we want private company deciding what's a lie, what's not a lie, do we want one private company controlling what we see? Does that mean it should be a public utility? Does that mean it should be five private companies? I think there's an important debate and discussion to be had about that. You've written on this a lot and talked about this. I mean, I would say the level of the political debate is, I don't know what you think, I think it's just abysmal. I mean, so people do get alarmed, which is okay about, I mean, if you came down from Mars and you looked and this major part of America and world business economy and communications, and it was set up the way it's currently set up with Facebook, Google, and Twitter a little bit, you would say this is a little crazy. Why do they have...”
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“There's a reaction So, should we meet like just this week, Facebook reiterated one of its policies, which is politicians can lie? And then today, Twitter reiterated its policy that politicians can break its laws and they're newsworthy. I think they put out a thing that was everyone was like, oh, God, they don't want to make a decision. How do you look at that? When they do that, so I'm ambivalent.”
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“Right and not, you know, doing it at a level where 25 million people see this, and so there's a reaction. Right, out in plain time. But doing it at a level where 100,000 people in Michigan see it. And the message isn't quite as crazy, but it's slight distortion of something she once said or could have said or someone else said, you know. And so I think we haven't even begun to come to grips with how that could affect our elections.”
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“Quite as long. And then the disinformation possibilities though. Recently with someone quite senior at one of the big tech companies, and I'm just not that knowledgeable about that, so I was really just asking elementary questions. And I said, I don't know. So these deepfakes now, you can do the audio and video. What if they just Elizabeth Warren's nomady on Saturday for the election, they flood social media with Elizabeth Warren saying Elizabeth Warren and scare quotes, that is a fake video, but one that looks real of Elizabeth Warren saying she's going to take away everyone's money beyond $100,000, whatever, right? And he said, actually, well, that probably would be so kind of crazy and there'd be such a reaction it might not really affect much. But think about what's more the scarier thing is a much more insidious and clever.”
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