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“You know, I guess all of these movies break the form, and maybe that's why, you know, Casablanca probably, I don't know enough about film history, but it probably broke the form now. It is the form. So maybe I would, but there are weird things in that. Pulp fiction obviously completely breaks a form chronologically. Ferris Bueller, he narrates the movie to camera. The naked gun is just, they'll do anything for a laugh. You know, I guess that's kind of formal in a way. Adaptation, you know, completely commenting on itself. So, yeah, maybe I think one lesson in all of that is, you know, it's not about the rules. It's about you and the audience, anything that you do”
2015-11-25 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #121: BJ Novak of The Office on Creative Process, Handling Rejection, and Good Comedy · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“If you were signing them Yeah, probably probably the writing is front and center for all of them Now adaptation is brilliant because it breaks all the rules and comments on all the rules so maybe I wouldn't teach that first that's sort of like also”
2015-11-25 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #121: BJ Novak of The Office on Creative Process, Handling Rejection, and Good Comedy · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“If I were really going to die tomorrow and they said you could play a couple, I'm not trying to impress anybody like, you know, it's just not film history. It's just me.”
2015-11-25 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #121: BJ Novak of The Office on Creative Process, Handling Rejection, and Good Comedy · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Louis CK is brilliant at pointing the stuff out, saying things that is kind of how you felt, but you never would have thought of it. But even an abstract one-liner comic like Zach Alfonakis, who I tried to see whenever I could when I moved to LA, you know, even those are like, right, that phrase could mean that or why should even that is an observation. That's true about language.”
2015-11-25 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #121: BJ Novak of The Office on Creative Process, Handling Rejection, and Good Comedy · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Well, Aziz Ansari has a bit about marriage that I find brilliant. I think it was one or two specials ago in Netflix where he's like, if we invented marriage now, if no one had heard of marriage and you proposed it to a girl, you would freak her out beyond belief. You know, I want a vow that will never sleep with anyone else and I want like rings on our fingers to symbolize it and I want a priest to be there and everyone we've ever met and there'll be a ceremony, there'll be in the newspaper, you know, that is so funny to me because it's completely true. Never would have noticed it.”
2015-11-25 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #121: BJ Novak of The Office on Creative Process, Handling Rejection, and Good Comedy · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“A doorknob. Yeah, exactly. Of course, he was dead the whole time, you know, like, how did I not get that? That excitement, that elation, or like it was the butler, it was the narrator, you know, whatever it was. That's the best comedy when someone points out something. You're like, oh my God, that was so obvious. I never would have gotten Another thing is that observations are really the currency of comedy. Anything you do, if you observe something that touches a chord with somebody and that has not been expressed, right? You can turn that into a movie. You can turn that into a plot. You can turn that into a one-liner. But anytime you observe something that a good new observation, that's what fuels 99% accommodation. And the other 1% is just people falling down or whatever.”
2015-11-25 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #121: BJ Novak of The Office on Creative Process, Handling Rejection, and Good Comedy · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“So there's that, you know, whatever you teach, it's like, hey, you'll feel it. You'll feel it. You'll hear it. You'll know. So do it a lot. And, you know, probably, you know, don't take this class too seriously. One thing I've definitely learned about common, I don't know how to applies to what maybe it applies to editing more than just to writing or finding what's good comedy. But I believe that a good comedy operates the exact same way a good mystery operates, which is the punchline should be something that was right in front of your face the whole time and you never would have put your finger on. It's like.”
2015-11-25 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #121: BJ Novak of The Office on Creative Process, Handling Rejection, and Good Comedy · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I could pontificate. I know a couple things that I feel I have discovered about comedy. One is that the perfect, first of all, the most important thing is it is sort of a physical, it's like sex in that. It's about whether the other person is enjoying it or not, or you're enjoying it, you know, like you could say do this and that. And then if neither of you has a good time, you couldn't insist to me like, but I had good sex. No, you didn't. I gave you my best advice, like touch her here and take your time and whisper this. Like I could do that, but you'll know if it's good sex or not. These are just tips. Like it's a physical reaction that you're going for”
2015-11-25 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #121: BJ Novak of The Office on Creative Process, Handling Rejection, and Good Comedy · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Mischief is just so important in comedy. It's really there's just something like, am I really allowed to say that? That's just the cool thing. Am I really allowed to hear that?”
2015-11-25 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #121: BJ Novak of The Office on Creative Process, Handling Rejection, and Good Comedy · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Just sort of whatever you're studying in your other classes, parody that. I see. And it really, I think would open you up. I think”
2015-11-25 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #121: BJ Novak of The Office on Creative Process, Handling Rejection, and Good Comedy · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Making that up, but he might have written the introduction to it or something. All right. So he said that if he ever taught English he would assign parodies because that's when you really learn something is to parody it. So I would probably assign parodies of literature. I would”
2015-11-25 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #121: BJ Novak of The Office on Creative Process, Handling Rejection, and Good Comedy · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Oh great, great question. While PJ O'Rourke, who was one of the big national ampoon editors, said that if he taught writing”
2015-11-25 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #121: BJ Novak of The Office on Creative Process, Handling Rejection, and Good Comedy · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“But I think that everything I do is sort of a version of writing. Even if I'm acting, I'm sort of writing the way that I think this character would act. Do you know what I mean? Of course.”
2015-11-25 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #121: BJ Novak of The Office on Creative Process, Handling Rejection, and Good Comedy · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“To mimic Woody Allison's wording. If someone woke up in the middle of the night and shook you and said, What's your job? What would you say? Or I guess the simpler way is what do you put on your passport or your customs declaration? I always put writer.”
2015-11-25 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #121: BJ Novak of The Office on Creative Process, Handling Rejection, and Good Comedy · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Probably comedy writer, to be honest, for two reasons. One is just it's the identity I come from. I think it was Woody Allen who said if you, you know, I do these different things, but if you woke me up and shook me in the middle of the night and said, what are you? I'd say writer. I definitely feel like that.”
2015-11-25 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #121: BJ Novak of The Office on Creative Process, Handling Rejection, and Good Comedy · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“He's an investor in the list app, and I've been trying to get him for years to develop with me like a screenplay writing software because he's actually a terrific writer. And he wrote the Silicon Valley spec script that he put on Twitter, which is such a tech way to get your spec out there. But it was great. And I think he would be the guy to crack it because he's the writer and also the software developer. Where is he based?”
2015-11-25 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #121: BJ Novak of The Office on Creative Process, Handling Rejection, and Good Comedy · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I would like, I know there's other software out there. I would like something that kind of combines the two, because often I would like to kind of write a paragraph and then kind of throw in dialogue easily. But it's not worth it to me to investigate and switch.”
2015-11-25 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #121: BJ Novak of The Office on Creative Process, Handling Rejection, and Good Comedy · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Not trying to rush you. No, no, no. I use Microsoft Word. Same reason my dad used WordStar. It's just what I learned and got in the habit of. And I use Final Draft for screenplays because everyone does.”
2015-11-25 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #121: BJ Novak of The Office on Creative Process, Handling Rejection, and Good Comedy · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Reason No longer biased against older material. That's very interesting. That's something on the list appointed too. We keep an eye on.”
2015-11-25 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #121: BJ Novak of The Office on Creative Process, Handling Rejection, and Good Comedy · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I have a white box for untranscribed notebooks because then I transcribe them on my computer and a red box for transcribed notebooks. And I don't date them and I always tell myself I should date them. This is crazy because when I go through the white box, you know, I'm jumping around six months ago, four months ago, you know, I'm not going in order, but I guess just I'm not going to question it because something about the creative process, I just don't want to date them. I just don't know.”
2015-11-25 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #121: BJ Novak of The Office on Creative Process, Handling Rejection, and Good Comedy · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“What I do, I order different colors and mix up the colors that I order, and then I buy on Amazon these huge batches of stickers, shape stickers that teachers use to put on, you know, reports and stuff, like stars and circles and blue rectangles and stuff. And every time I start a new notebook, I write my phone number in the first page in case anyone finds it. Super important. And then I put a sticker in the top left corner of the book. That lets me know what which one I'm on currently. And then I have a yellow, I'm sorry, I have a red box.”
2015-11-25 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #121: BJ Novak of The Office on Creative Process, Handling Rejection, and Good Comedy · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Accomplish something up in a couple weeks. And then I have a huge box of them. But I use that and I use the Uniball Vision pen. Generally.”
2015-11-25 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #121: BJ Novak of The Office on Creative Process, Handling Rejection, and Good Comedy · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“You can go on Amazon and buy these three packs, so they're much thinner than the typical Molskin notebook, so you can really keep them in your pocket easier and you finish them so you feel more productive.”
2015-11-25 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #121: BJ Novak of The Office on Creative Process, Handling Rejection, and Good Comedy · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yeah, on my computer usually, or continue an idea on the computer that I left off the previous day. But first I'll check my notebook. Oh, do I have any ideas for solutions or whatever? So the idea, to me, everything is idea and execution. And if you separate idea and execution, you don't put too much pressure on either of them.”
2015-11-25 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #121: BJ Novak of The Office on Creative Process, Handling Rejection, and Good Comedy · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I'll tell you my number one while we're on this number one creative productivity advice to anyone I mean, anyone, if it works for you. I carry around a notebook. And if I don't have a little notebook, I have my phone, you know, but I really divide my creative work into two distinct phases, which is the idea phase and the execution phase. And I do not let either interrupt the other. Or yeah, yeah, that's the best way to say it. So if I'm taking a walk or I'm having a drink with a friend and just some funny idea comes up, something that makes me smile or some other impulse, I write it down and I never judge, well, what would you do with this idea or how would you end that joke? Never. I just have this notebook and I feel like the richest man on the world in terms of ideas. Just fill it up. Feel great. Never question it. Then on a separate day, I sit down 9 or 10 a.m. with a big cup of coffee at my desk, go through the notebook, and I do my best with.”
2015-11-25 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #121: BJ Novak of The Office on Creative Process, Handling Rejection, and Good Comedy · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“So, you know, if I try to go to bed early and wake up early, but if I need to sleep late or take a walk in the morning or whatever, I find that being in a good mood for creative work is worth the hours it takes to get in a good mood. All right, all right. You know, I have an idea I'm excited about, or I have so much self-loathing and caffeine that I'm like, gotta do something, the self-loathing”
2015-11-25 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #121: BJ Novak of The Office on Creative Process, Handling Rejection, and Good Comedy · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“That was encouraged. It's like 90% use methamphetamine. Amphetamine, right. But, you know, this Starbucks, this Venti Starbucks in front of me, like, who's to say that doesn't have the same stimulation that they used back then?”
2015-11-25 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #121: BJ Novak of The Office on Creative Process, Handling Rejection, and Good Comedy · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I consider being in a good mood the most important part of my creative process. So right or wrong, I personally don't get up early unless I'm awake early if unworthy I have somewhere to be. I know I've read the book we talked about daily rituals, which I love. Mason Curtis.”
2015-11-25 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #121: BJ Novak of The Office on Creative Process, Handling Rejection, and Good Comedy · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Not off the top of my head, but like there might just be a joke or a phraser, a beautiful line that I'm proud of that I'm just so certain everyone's going to think I'm brilliant. So I started that and I get excited and then I want everything else to live up to that rather than start at the problem. That's a personal thing. I am very motivated by positive.”
2015-11-25 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #121: BJ Novak of The Office on Creative Process, Handling Rejection, and Good Comedy · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I do that with my other writing too. I always start with what I love, and if I'm stuck on a story and I approach it the next day, I never go to the hard part first. Some writers probably do. I go to what's the one thing I'm proud of in this story.”
2015-11-25 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #121: BJ Novak of The Office on Creative Process, Handling Rejection, and Good Comedy · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yeah, you find what you love about an episode or in other things I've done, a story idea or a stand up it, you got to just indulge, develop what you love about it so that when you then come up with, oh, but then we couldn't show this on TV or it is kind of contrived or whatever it is, you'll love it so much that you will have the inspiration to fix it.”
2015-11-25 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #121: BJ Novak of The Office on Creative Process, Handling Rejection, and Good Comedy · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“And then the best ideas will have their, will fuel you past the problems. After a few weeks of blue sky, we would love some ideas so much. It would be obvious what the best, let's say we were going to start with six stories, right? It was obvious what the best 15 were. And then we'd start talking more seriously. And then we'd look which ones do our love for the story carry us through the inevitable. Well, how could Dwight be here if he's also there? And, you know, stuff like that. But finding the love first and then letting that carry you through the problem.”
2015-11-25 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #121: BJ Novak of The Office on Creative Process, Handling Rejection, and Good Comedy · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“A story, B story. So that was incredible. And it really was creatively important. And I tried to replicate that in everything I do, just not shut down any ideas for a period. Just general.”
2015-11-25 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #121: BJ Novak of The Office on Creative Process, Handling Rejection, and Good Comedy · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“But it was sort of improvised day to day, like the showrunner would say, you know, all right, we don't have anything for Dwight. Or like, how about everyone split up and come up with 10 ideas for Ryan? Or, you know, let's come up with more ensemble stories. There would be sort of a leadership that way. It wasn't just all sitting around, but it's”
2015-11-25 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #121: BJ Novak of The Office on Creative Process, Handling Rejection, and Good Comedy · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“That would last if we didn't have much time because we had different pre-production schedules between two weeks and four weeks.”
2015-11-25 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #121: BJ Novak of The Office on Creative Process, Handling Rejection, and Good Comedy · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“For you to talk about that. Well, the way that we would start a season, and I've adapted this to many things I've done since, we'd start with what we would call a blue sky period, which was my favorite part of every year. For two, three, four weeks sometimes if we had long time, every single day in the writer's room was just what if there's no penalty, there's no maybe we can't, there's no, but this one conflicts with that one. What if Dwight goes to the moon? What if Jim and Pam get divorced? Every idea is valid for a while. That was just an amazing period. And then how long?”
2015-11-25 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #121: BJ Novak of The Office on Creative Process, Handling Rejection, and Good Comedy · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Oh, well, I learned something from him, which was one time I wrote a bunch of jokes because the scene wasn't working. And I was the guy in charge of bringing alts, as we call them, you know, other versions. So I'd bring alts to the set and he looked at all of them and he said, I don't know, these just feel like jokes to me. And I was like, well, yeah, they're jokes. That's what I do. That's what we do. But for him, comedy had to come from a byproduct of authenticity. I would compare it to the difference between a kid who knows he's cute and a kid who doesn't. A kid who knows he's cute is not cute. A kid who just says something without realizing he's cute is hilarious. And that's what he wanted the office to feel like. Like these people don't even know how funny they are.”
2015-11-25 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #121: BJ Novak of The Office on Creative Process, Handling Rejection, and Good Comedy · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“In like little rooms, yeah, everyone had their own office. So like, you know, Mindy and I would like read scenes out loud and, you know, just see if they sounded right and stuff like that.”
2015-11-25 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #121: BJ Novak of The Office on Creative Process, Handling Rejection, and Good Comedy · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Or then you edit in works or doesn't. And that was, I think, a humbling lesson for someone who thought of himself as a real writer because writing is really, it's just a guess. And, you know, there's no penalty for doing your homework. So if you want to test your stand-up at a thousand rooms before you do it on TV, or if you want to test the stuff you're writing for the office in as many groups as you can, do it because you're not smarter than the audience. It's for the audience.”
2015-11-25 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #121: BJ Novak of The Office on Creative Process, Handling Rejection, and Good Comedy · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“No, but there's, you know, there's a lot. Okay, you just feel it. If it's flat, it's flat. First you do a table read of each episode so you have a big room of people laughing or not laughing. And then when you take it down, if it's like a rewrite scene or something, you know, Steve Correll says it. And you're just there. Even just you and the cameraman, like you're smiling or you're not.”
2015-11-25 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #121: BJ Novak of The Office on Creative Process, Handling Rejection, and Good Comedy · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Well, one lesson that I learned from that as well as from stand up was that you really never know how something's going to play until you test it. Scenes that felt like they were just airtight winner hilarious scenes in the writer's room sometimes just would not work on set and you had to learn to not be angry at it for not working. You had to learn to listen to the audience. And that's a major, major lesson. There's no one smarter than the audience.”
2015-11-25 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #121: BJ Novak of The Office on Creative Process, Handling Rejection, and Good Comedy · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Working backwards from what we must have meant. It was just funny. Every little thing was going wrong, you know, for Michael in this episode.”
2015-11-25 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #121: BJ Novak of The Office on Creative Process, Handling Rejection, and Good Comedy · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“The Apple iTunes store process began, and we, because our cult audience was very young and tech savvy, they made us a very big hit on the iTunes store, even though we were not a hit on NBC. And then people were walking around with video iPods with the office on it, and they were sending each other, you know, links to download it and stuff. And so it was really one of the first shows to be a hit, like an online hit in that way. And that really was this viral proto-viral way that the word spread about the show.”
2015-11-25 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #121: BJ Novak of The Office on Creative Process, Handling Rejection, and Good Comedy · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Beginning of the second season, it was around December, I think. So we've been out for like over a year, but only a few episodes. And they moved us from two things happened. They moved us from Tuesday to Thursday, which I felt was very important because now, you know, the night you're on doesn't matter so much in the DVR era. But back then, my theory was that you wouldn't want to watch a show about an office at the beginning of your work week. It's not funny on Tuesday. It sounds like a fair assumption. It's funny on Thursday. It's almost over. So there was that. And then the big thing was that...”
2015-11-25 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #121: BJ Novak of The Office on Creative Process, Handling Rejection, and Good Comedy · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Story Outlines, and pretty soon this very lean writing staff of Mindy Kaling and Paul Lieberstein, who played Toby on the show, and a bunch of other real Larry Wilmore, who now hosts the nightly show on Comedy Central, real, real lean group. And, you know, so creatively it was extremely exciting. And then it was bizarre when it became successful because how long did you think of it as the show that for the rest of our lives we'd meet one or two comedy fans who were like, that's a classic, you know, that's what we're going for, for like Mr. Show, like cult status.”
2015-11-25 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #121: BJ Novak of The Office on Creative Process, Handling Rejection, and Good Comedy · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“The beginning of the office was very exciting creatively especially because it was not thought to be a show that this is now I got to feel like that starving artist like you know the actual integrity this was not considered a successful a show with any chance for success it was a very drab there's no laugh track there's no colors it's bleak it's not a pretty cast it's the jokes are very slow and dry and it's a remake of a British show that you know NBC had a track record of disastrous remakes so it was a six episode midseason order you know it was a real actually no it was just a pilot order and then we squeaked into six episodes so the beginning was you know but it was the the people working on it were brilliant steve correll's improvisations and greg daniels sort of joke pitches and”
2015-11-25 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #121: BJ Novak of The Office on Creative Process, Handling Rejection, and Good Comedy · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“He was looking for that because he had worked at Saturday Night Live and he had had a good experience where there it was a small gang of people who were kind of writing their own things. And also the British office had been a small Ricky Gervaise had written so much of it. So he was totally right. Let's not have a corporate feeling show with a writing staff and a cast. Let's cast kind of funny people who can kind of do it as a little unit.”
2015-11-25 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #121: BJ Novak of The Office on Creative Process, Handling Rejection, and Good Comedy · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“In the rap, Usher refers to himself as ice. And then I apologize that we originally wrote this for vanilla ice who passed. So I got to do really funny, clever things. And around this time, I was on a showcase, a stand-up showcase for a network. And now I'd booked punked and stuff like that. And that's when Greg Daniels, who was creating the American office, saw me and thought he was already looking for people that could write an act. And my jokes were very clearly like, you know, clever writing. They weren't like a raw personality or anything. So he thought, oh, maybe you can do, and I had a writing job. Maybe you could be a writer actor, which at the time was a very experimental idea.”
2015-11-25 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #121: BJ Novak of The Office on Creative Process, Handling Rejection, and Good Comedy · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Was set up to steal jewelry. And then I tell him, Usher handled that so well. He was great. And then I tell Usher, you know, we can let this go if you record a radio ad for our store and do this rap that I wrote. They rode a really funny rap, and I have to wrap this to Usher. It was so hard to keep a straight face. And one of the brilliant touches the writers have put in is that”
2015-11-25 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #121: BJ Novak of The Office on Creative Process, Handling Rejection, and Good Comedy · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Say, oh, there's a new guy, he's pretty good, you know, that kind of guy. And at the end of that, a bunch of things, the end of that sort of two-year stretch, a lot of things kind of happened at once. I got cast on the show punct. Sure. I replaced Dax Shepherd as the new guy, which I thought that, oh, that's what I'll be famous for for the rest of my life. I'm the guy from punked. So I did pranks on Hillary Duff and Usher and people like that. Incredibly fun.”
2015-11-25 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #121: BJ Novak of The Office on Creative Process, Handling Rejection, and Good Comedy · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT