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“So we have to have a movement that one aims to change the whole economic system, but immediately uses organizers around these problems using the withholding of labor and engaging in class struggle.”
2018-10-08 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: 'Sorry to Bother You' director Boots Riley · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“And the thing is, some people feel like it's a tactical move. Look, we got to do whatever we got to do to get out Trump. But then you're left with a world. Yes. Where nobody is going to be talking about these problems afterwards.”
2018-10-08 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: 'Sorry to Bother You' director Boots Riley · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yeah, and folks that are like cheering on the CIA and the FBI and as if they don't have kill lists and aren't Assassinating folks that are like assassinating union leaders, you know, in the past 30 years, they've done that just because it was something that was building popular support and gonna not be good for U.S. business interests. These are organizations that folks that consider themselves even progressive some folks are you know being like, you know, where I mean”
2018-10-08 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: 'Sorry to Bother You' director Boots Riley · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Right, they only have to be just to the left of Trump. It's like the hugging of Republicans lately. Oh, they're good. I was like, they weren't good before when they were against gay rights or whatever. They were against.”
2018-10-08 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: 'Sorry to Bother You' director Boots Riley · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“With way less people speaking out about it. I mean, so I think it's the job of folks that know better to not just swat down that energy that people want to use to work against Trump, but to show where the actual problem is and gather that it's an opportunity to gather that energy into something that's more effective than just getting Trump out because right now you get Trump out and what's going to happen. I mean, first of all, the Democratic Party is having no qualms with moving to the right of where it was. Know all it has to be is a few interests to the left of Trump and people will be like, and even the arguments against Trump going around this really nationalist line like we only want U.S. billionaires controlling our political process, not Russian billionaires. What's going on with that?”
2018-10-08 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: 'Sorry to Bother You' director Boots Riley · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yeah, well, it is unusual in the sense that things are going to get more extreme. But the stairway to hell that Trump is building is only an extension of the stairway that's been being built this whole time. And what I saw happening with the... Anti war movement was it became all about get Trump out. I mean, get Bush out Get Bush out. And then Obama came in and was able to do a lot of the same things.”
2018-10-08 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: 'Sorry to Bother You' director Boots Riley · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I think that people are feeling bolder in what they will say, what they will talk about with people. I think that folks are looking at Problems more critically, and thinking that something needs to be done. I think that there are two things, though, that one, There has to be a movement that is able to that people are able to be involved with at their place of work because that's where we spend most of our day. And there has to be organizing around using where people's power is, using that point of power that folks have, which is their labor. So that means there needs to be a movement that will utilize the withholding of labor, not only to change Wage labor values, but to also affect political change. There's a danger of putting all of these problems on the Trump administration. I've seen it happen before.”
2018-10-08 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: 'Sorry to Bother You' director Boots Riley · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Well, do you see things shifting in this current political environment, the stuff that's succeeding is opposite to that, it seems like it means people, like you were talking about people sitting around or those suits, rage suits.”
2018-10-08 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: 'Sorry to Bother You' director Boots Riley · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Well, we did the coup, which is my group. I guess I haven't said that. We did the soundtrack. To the movie Tune yards did the score. So the cups music is all the stuff that the characters can hear, tune yards music is all the stuff that we can hear, but the characters can't. And yeah, so we did that. It's the album, the soundtrack album is out on InnerScope right now. And I'm sure we're going to perform it and stuff like that. I guess I can say that one thing I'm happy about in the shift in my life is not having to sit in a van for 10 hours a day getting from gig to gig You know, so I probably will probably tour less.”
2018-10-08 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: 'Sorry to Bother You' director Boots Riley · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yeah, you'll go, oh, you haven't seen that. I want to watch that with you. And I'm trying to figure out what, and they're both valuable because one is art that's like Apollo right here and now. And the other is something that's A piece that will be there. And I don't think one is style is more valuable. I've always been a person that wants to make something You can return to, you know, yeah”
2018-10-08 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: 'Sorry to Bother You' director Boots Riley · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“That's internet based now. Very much so. And that's what I mean. Either way, even TV on regular TV or internet, I think people think of it as more disposable. Like it feels more disable to people. People might love. Game of Thrones or whatever, but are they going to be like, yeah, are they going to be like And their friend hasn't seen it. Oh, you're watching episode three in season two? I'm gonna sit and watch that with you.”
2018-10-08 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: 'Sorry to Bother You' director Boots Riley · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yeah, I think I can make. Something that I love, but I'm not as satisfied with how people consume TV. It's more, I don't know.”
2018-10-08 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: 'Sorry to Bother You' director Boots Riley · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yeah, I have a... Deal with this company called Media Res, which is ran by a guy named Michael Ellenberg. He's one of the people that brought Game of Thrones to HBO. And so, yeah, I'm writing. Riding the pilot right now. And then I also have a deal, and I can't say who that's with yet for my next feature. So working on that.”
2018-10-08 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: 'Sorry to Bother You' director Boots Riley · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yeah, I mean, our whole everything about our lives is commodified. So. You know, social interactions, all of those things are It's a commodity. Like everything is efficient now. Like we are just more efficient beings because even when we're telling someone where we are by text, that is now able to be sold. So we're always producing.”
2018-10-08 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: 'Sorry to Bother You' director Boots Riley · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Well, I I wasn't there, so I don't hear that. But I would say this. So much of what we do when we are uploading photos and uploading videos.”
2018-10-08 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: 'Sorry to Bother You' director Boots Riley · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“How many of you download things from the internet? And they sort of were making fun of him for saying that. And he said, and they all were like, of course we do, everybody does. And then he said, how many of you upload things to the internet? Which means contribute or be part of the wealth creation or any part of it? How many of you upload things? And very few of them did. And I'll never forget this as long as I live. He said, you're all digital sharecroppers and other people are becoming billionaires because of you. And it was such a jarring thing to hear and to hear from someone.”
2018-10-08 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: 'Sorry to Bother You' director Boots Riley · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I saw a speech that Van Jones gave here a million years ago at the Church Glide Memorial, and it was a bunch of African-American teens from Oakland. And he looked down at them and he said, how many of you use the internet, use apps and things like that? And they were like, who is this stupid old guy? Of course we use them. They all put up their hand. How many of you...”
2018-10-08 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: 'Sorry to Bother You' director Boots Riley · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“But I do think we're consumers of it versus contributors to it more. And if we don't start to be contributors to it. Captive of it just the way things, the thing in your movie. Everyone was captive of that company versus Being controlling of their own destiny, does that make sense?”
2018-10-08 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: 'Sorry to Bother You' director Boots Riley · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“You're tuning it out even more than like TV is set up. It's the only thing going on. A commercial comes on in the room and you're sitting there watching it. And this is just me talking on with an advertiser slash promoter hat on People are tuning out as soon as they can. They're tuning out. Ads on there because it's so built into. And so I think that's why some companies are like trying to get people to be like, you know, oh, this movie was so fucked up. I'm so glad I had my sprite in my hand at the time, you know, whatever. Or whatever, you know, like that's the kind of thing that they're doing. They're moving toward, but I don't even think the data is there. I don't think they even understand how people are ignoring it. Now, there are some, you know, I have a six-year-old and... You know, those unboxing videos and all that kind of stuff”
2018-10-08 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: 'Sorry to Bother You' director Boots Riley · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“The mobile phone. They don't look at that. I think some are just, technically speaking, some are get looked at like. If you're trying to watch your favorite music video.”
2018-10-08 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: 'Sorry to Bother You' director Boots Riley · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“We know that they're lying and we know that and I think that that is going to be actually I think that's going to be a crash is going to happen When all of a sudden folks that have been pouring in money to Facebook and any of these other apps that make them think that their ads are getting seen. When somebody figures that out and a group of businesses pull out, And then everybody does in a domino effect. Going to be a crash because you know we're relying on many of these folks that run these companies to tell the truth. And that the only thing between them and making more money is them lying? Gonna lie. Why not”
2018-10-08 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: 'Sorry to Bother You' director Boots Riley · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Regular like billboards and TV ads and things like that. I think that many of these platforms are lying about how many people see their ads. Well, we know that.”
2018-10-08 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: 'Sorry to Bother You' director Boots Riley · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“But I think just being someone that has spent the last. Too long of a time marketing through social media. I understand that it's also just not as effective as just”
2018-10-08 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: 'Sorry to Bother You' director Boots Riley · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yeah. And so you can go on Twitter and think everybody, like I could go on Twitter and think everybody loves Sorry to Bother You. Although it's doing well, there's millions, tens, hundreds of millions of people that have no idea that it exists”
2018-10-08 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: 'Sorry to Bother You' director Boots Riley · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Only the folks that we follow that have this opinion about that or not, that would be with them being libertarian and having that ability, it would actually be really dumb of them to not do that.”
2018-10-08 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: 'Sorry to Bother You' director Boots Riley · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Because of however mysterious ways it works. And if we know that here's the part where I maybe start sounding like I've got a tinfoil hat is that If we know that many of these companies have no qualms about working with the FBI, CIA, or whatever governmental agency comes in. And we also know they have no qualms. However, they can monetize their ability with some other companies. Why do we not think that they would fix the algorithm so that we think that something is a subject to talk about or so that we see”
2018-10-08 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: 'Sorry to Bother You' director Boots Riley · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“But it still is easily controlled with the way algorithms work. It can make you think that something is the subject. So, what are we not think everybody's still talking about the Kardashians?”
2018-10-08 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: 'Sorry to Bother You' director Boots Riley · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“And I had band members that I had to replace because they were scared that. Which they knew I was going to say something and they were scared that we would get. Beat up or shot or whatever. And we were going to places like Montana, Texas, Oklahoma, Utah, Florida, you know, as well as other places throughout the Midwest and East Coast. Every place that I said something against it, you know, and I would stop the music full houses. I'd stop the music and speak out against the bombing of Afghanistan. And it got overwhelming applause in all of these places that were supposed to be for the war. And it really showed me. That the role of media is to make you think you're the most radical person in the room.”
2018-10-08 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: 'Sorry to Bother You' director Boots Riley · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“And so not even speaking out against Iraq. So this was still unpopular to speak out against because the news was telling us with flags flying on all the broadcasts and all that kind of stuff. The news was telling us. That most of the U.S. population was for Afghanistan. And I even saw it here in the Bay Area, which was even more thought of as being progressive and radical than it is today. And I saw a couple times there was this same thing almost happen where there'd be a group of people like at a party or some 10 people. And one person is saying something crazy like one time someone was saying We need to nuke Afghanistan just get it over with blah blah blah. And everybody's standing around not saying anything, but just nodding. I'm like, oh my God, everybody. And then I start saying something against that.”
2018-10-08 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: 'Sorry to Bother You' director Boots Riley · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“A while. And then organizing outside of that the reaction in communities of color as I would organize was varied from Being interested to, I got to pay the bills. Sounds good, but I gotta pay the bills. Right. Not like, what the hell, you know. So then, and I want to, because I spent so many years talking about the incident, we had this album cover that... Before 9 11, had the World Trade Center blowing up. Right after 9-11, within a few months after that, we started opening up on this MTV sponsor tour with this group that worked with Lincoln Park and so it was an all-MTV thing. Not our fans at all. My band didn't want to go because they knew I would be speaking out against the bombing of Afghanistan.”
2018-10-08 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: 'Sorry to Bother You' director Boots Riley · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I'm down. When do we walk out? Right. So we did that the next day, the principal who was an ex-cop named Mr. O'Leary and was like a real buff dude, really scared people got on the PA and said, Raymond Riley is a communist and he wants to take us back to the days of the Black Panther Party, blah, blah, blah, this and And basically, most of the kids' reaction was. I don't know what a communist is, but the government doesn't like it. So it's cool.”
2018-10-08 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: 'Sorry to Bother You' director Boots Riley · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“So, yeah, yeah. But the thing was at the time, Skyline High School was still pretty much quote unquote the white school. They were the only ones that weren't going to have to do it. And the reason is because this year-round schools was being done to save money. Folks get to the way it's staggered and folks get to use the same books as each other and then at the same time in order to do that you have to be tracked. So in ninth grade they decide whether you're going to college or not. So there was a more political reason to do it, but I'm sure many students just heard year-round schools. Oh, hell no.”
2018-10-08 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: 'Sorry to Bother You' director Boots Riley · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“So this is in the late 80s and we had never seen anything like that. And so we were kind of drunk off. We won our issue as soon as we walked down. So like they were really scared of as soon as we marched down to the school board, they gave in.”
2018-10-08 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: 'Sorry to Bother You' director Boots Riley · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yeah. No, I wasn't surprised because I think that for so long, we have been lied to about what the rest of the population in the U.S. thinks. And I've had some, my own, some of my own experiences that have led me to be believing this. Joined a radical organization called Progressive Labor Party when I was a teenager. And at some point, me and some friends led a walkout at Oakland High. 2,000 students out of 2,200 students walked out. And, you know, for us, there hadn't been anything like, even though right now you think about the eight, especially if you're younger, you think about the 80s as being close to the 60s. But for us, it was nowhere near that, especially when you're young. And three years ago is ancient history.”
2018-10-08 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: 'Sorry to Bother You' director Boots Riley · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“And then does this other thing by page 30. And so I know that people are going to feel this certain way when I. Do it. And so if you're used to watching something in that way and it doesn't do those things, for some people it feels bad”
2018-10-08 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: 'Sorry to Bother You' director Boots Riley · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I just absolutely don't understand. And I don't think it's only from a police, of course, I expected folks that were really right-wing, but I don't even think it's just that. I think it's. There's just something about it. Like there's some safety that I'm shaking up. Because when you create stuff, whether it's a song or a film or it's really, it feels good to have these rules that you can check off. You did like, oh, yeah, by around page 10, it did this thing.”
2018-10-08 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: 'Sorry to Bother You' director Boots Riley · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“No, I wasn't surprised at. The reactions, but the volume of them. I was like the prestigious writers that came out and said things. There are also some folks that hate it.”
2018-10-08 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: 'Sorry to Bother You' director Boots Riley · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Well, they And because they agreed. With what rage against a machine were saying? And so many people do see that we should have a different economic system, but they don't think they can do anything about it or they don't think that there will be anything done about it. So I could see that there are, if there are people on Wall Street, that feel that way. There are definitely a lot of people in tech that wish we had a different world and just don't see how they could do it and possibly that is the impetus for people unionizing and doing these things and trying to figure out how they can have a say in it. And for them to do that, we'll take some work because The real way that unions are able to be effective is to be able to strike and keep scabs out.”
2018-10-08 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: 'Sorry to Bother You' director Boots Riley · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Fourth time they start hearing this chanting. They're like, is this like the SWAT team? Because we're on Wall Street and we're saying these things. And it gets louder and louder. And then from around the corner. Hundreds of people in suits. Have come from their jobs and are chanting suits for rage suits for rage.”
2018-10-08 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: 'Sorry to Bother You' director Boots Riley · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“That's how most of us feel. There's this story Tom Morello, who I had Street Sweeper Social Club with, but he's from Rage Against the Machine. They were doing this music video that was directed by Michael Moore. And the idea was that they were going to show up on Wall Street. And for people who might not know, rage against the machine has very incendiary lyrics about like tearing things up and radical ideas in it and revolutionary things. And so they were going to show up on Wall Street and just play really loud. The police were going to come take them away. People were going to boom and throw things at them. And that was going to be the video. They went there, they played first time, not much reaction. Second time, they see some police radioing and stuff like that. Third time a couple of the doors, like the security doors closed.”
2018-10-08 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: 'Sorry to Bother You' director Boots Riley · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yeah, I think that, first of all, we all think that we're the exception to the rule. We all feel that so many people would, for instance, politically agree with me that even folks that are in positions of power, but they feel like there's nothing they can do about the way the world is. So they're just. Like, they don't think a movement is going to win. They're like, this is the world. Much like there's a thing that Mr., which is just some people say Mr. With 7 underscores, Omari Hardwick's character says to Cassius, which is don't worry about what should be just work with what is.”
2018-10-08 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: 'Sorry to Bother You' director Boots Riley · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“And that the basis of our system is good. So I think once those I'd really be interested in what kind of technology people create if we have a system in which the people democratically control the wealth that they create with their labor after a while, There being technology that is created to make people's lives better without, I don't know what that would be.”
2018-10-08 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: 'Sorry to Bother You' director Boots Riley · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Well, I think we're all taught to not look that way. I mean, in California at least, it's illegal for high school teachers to say anything that puts socialism or communism into a non-negative light. Not saying everybody follows that, but that's the law, and you can get fired for that. And so definitely teachers did stick to that rule. When I was a kid, and I think what we're seeing. why people believe they're doing something great is because we're told that you don't have to look at that contradiction you just All of these things that are happening that we see as negatives in our society are just about tweaking some problems.”
2018-10-08 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: 'Sorry to Bother You' director Boots Riley · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“That's right a hundred percent. Except that they pretend they don't realize it. It's astonishing when I press them on it about their response. Now, there was just a hearing where they finally admitted that maybe they did some damage.”
2018-10-08 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: 'Sorry to Bother You' director Boots Riley · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“So, you know, we're not doing anything new. We keep trying to do something new without changing the fundamental thing, which is that capitalism is based on the exploitation of labor. No matter what algorithms you make, if you're not changing that, all the algorithms, all the technology, and this is where it does. Have to do with the spoiler that we're technology just makes exploitation more efficient”
2018-10-08 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: 'Sorry to Bother You' director Boots Riley · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yeah. So what tech companies are doing has some differences, but it's just And when we see those big railroad barons with the big top hat and the handlebar mustache, we think of them as looking evil. But that was the style.”
2018-10-08 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: 'Sorry to Bother You' director Boots Riley · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“This is not only technology, but hey, we're helping out the family. Right, you can come live in our town, you don't have to go out, and this is new, this is, we're doing something new with industry. And it's always... That capital tries to say, look, we're not doing all these things. We're not just things that we did in the last 50.”
2018-10-08 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: 'Sorry to Bother You' director Boots Riley · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yeah, and I don't think it's a personality thing though. I mean. I never, and my whole point with all of my stuff is it has to do with how we organize the way we survive, which is called the economy. Which is called the economic system that we're in. And so I don't think that Just, you know, I don't just like I don't think poverty is because of bad choices. I mean, you can, yeah, you could choose to be the crab that shoves all the other crabs down while you get out of the barrel. But I don't think other than those kind of choices, I don't think it's because of that. And I think that. This system creates this stuff. This is actually what's happening with the tech companies is not new. When you talk about the mining companies that we were talking about before, that was considered a new model like.”
2018-10-08 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: 'Sorry to Bother You' director Boots Riley · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Is happening with them. So when you were trying to get these messages in in the way you did with this idea, I know you were trying to resist that it's a tech company, but one of the things that was interesting when I was talking to a lot of white male tech people I deal with loved this movie. And I kept saying, it hates you. You understand that this is about you. This is about all the things you've been doing and creating displacement in society, creating discord, creating racism, all kinds of things. And they're like, no, no, it was fascinating to listen in a lot of ways of them talking about it. Because I think it is like you grew up here in Oakland, San Francisco, that changes the gentrification that you were talking about in your song. Decades ago are happening because of these same people.”
2018-10-08 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: 'Sorry to Bother You' director Boots Riley · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“And now you rob the weed dude. The police will come after you So it's all the same stuff. The point is that the idea though that we're all sold by using the other of people of color. People of color is that look, these folks are poor because they're making the bad decisions. You can agree with that. And so if you're a white guy that's making $22,000 a year, you're like, well, I'm middle class and I don't relate to that. And you relate more to the ruling class than anyone else. And there's this. This idea of whiteness that people try to put on and that's represented in the movie, that discussion is represented through the discussion of the white voice.”
2018-10-08 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: 'Sorry to Bother You' director Boots Riley · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT