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  1. I am very libertarian. People should be able to do what they want to do. I do think when powerful people with platforms like myself, Haktua, Malay, Trump, Melania, you do need to think about that because the people who might get hurt are your fans and you can only do it so many times, just on a practical basis. But also, there is a massive amount of confusion here. If things have a ticker symbol, if there are charts, and if they're trading alongside things on platforms like Coinbase and Robinhood, which and other ones, and I'm obviously a shareholder in Robinhood and they just had Vlad on the program Wednesday, great episode with Raoul and Vlad. Raul from Superhuman. Go check it out. You know, I kind of think it quacks like a duck, walks like a duck, has feathers like a duck. People are going to be confused. Here's what the regulations for meme coin should be.

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  2. Anyway, you could say whatever you want. I'm trying to be judicious here. Everybody can have their own opinion on this. And what makes a great democracy is that we debate stuff. This feels like, to me, I'll just say it in no uncertain terms, that this was written. Design To The Trump coin and the Melania coin out of hot water. That doesn't mean I don't think regulation changing is a good thing. So, two things can be true at the same time. I do think we need to open up regulation. I do think Americans should be able to buy meme coins. I do think they should be able to gamble. I wouldn't bet on the Jets. That's a disaster. Sorry. Jet fans everywhere. But I bet on the Knicks, almost every game, and I love it. And I play poker and you play poker.

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  3. Okay, yes. Please explain it to me because I just went through the test and Malay coin and Haktua, I'm going to leave Trump in. Melanie out of it. So we have, don't have the political issues. Both of those are clearly securities to me. Do you think those Malay is a security or not?

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  4. Millay tweeted it. So that sounds like you're relying on him to tweet it. Get the pump going. So I'm going to use Malay here because I don't want people to weaponize this against my friends who are in the administration and be like, oh, JCL says this. I'm going to use Malay. He invested money. People are collaborating on it. People expect a profit. You expect that other people will keep pumping it and people are disappointed when the pumping stops, like when Hawk Tua stops pumping it and gets called out on it or Malay gets called out and they stop pumping it, people are disappointed. So for me, meme coins do scream securities. So wait.

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  5. Well, if the people who released the mean coin own a large percentage of it, that means they have something in common with you. And you're working on this together. And the people who are buying it certainly have an expectation of profit because they're sharing charts and drawing on the charts where they expect it to go and they're using a ticker symbol and it's traded on a platform like Coinbase or Robinhood right next to other securities. And is it to be derived from the efforts of others? Well, I do, that's where we get interesting because.

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  6. In a super respectful business environment. It's not a place where people are dancing around, saying inappropriate things, or debating politics. Nope, LinkedIn equals business, business equals LinkedIn. Start converting your B2B audience into high quality leads today. We'll even give you a Hundi, a $100 credit on your next campaign. Go to LinkedIn.com slash this week in startups to claim your credit. That's LinkedIn.com slash this week in startups terms and conditions do apply. Okay, so if we pull up the Howie test again, I'm just going to run through it from my perspective with the Howie test. I'm going to be as intellectually rigorous as I can here. Okay, it's an investment of money. Check. Giving money two, it's a common enterprise.

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  7. But LinkedIn makes it so easy because their tools let you target people by job title industry company size and more. So this fund management platform obviously was looking for people in venture capital who had a fund size and a number of people, maybe 10 people, maybe 50 people. And they found me. They got me. They split the arrow. Boom, right on target. And there's two things you really need to know about LinkedIn going into 2025. First, they broke a billion members. And 130 million of those billion are decision makers and 10 million of the billion are C-level executives like myself. Where can you get to those people? It's really hard. And the second thing you need to know, LinkedIn makes an impact. B2B markers report two to five times higher return on ad spend or ROAS return on ad spend. You should know that acronym compared to other social platforms. 79% of B2B markers say LinkedIn is the best platform for paid media. LinkedIn is going to let you build the right relationships. It's going to drive results. And you're going to reach your customers.

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  8. Okay, so there is some centralization of a meme coin because there's a website. There's a person who writes the copy on that website, the terms of service, and they own 80% of it and then they distribute them. Hey founders, I want to share with you an experience I love. It's when I get an ad that is relevant and not some nonsense. Like the other day, I got an ad for a fund management platform and it was like a new one I'd never heard of. I clicked on the ad because, well, I manage four venture capital firms. We scheduled a call with them and it was amazing. How did this happen? Well, I was on LinkedIn because I like to share links from the podcast this week in startups right on LinkedIn. In fact, we live stream to LinkedIn three days a week and we get a great audience over there. And I happen to be presented with this fund management platform and it was a direct hit. Like, I mean, talk about hitting the bullseye. If you're in business and you're making a product or service, it's really hard to find customers in the business-to-business space. And doing B2B advertising is hard.

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  9. I mean, there's like literally 10,000 coins released a day. So that's in favor of this ruling. But okay, let's go through it here.

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  10. Okay, so the Howie test would say Bitcoin is not a security. The Howie test, if you did XRP, as an example, and they centrally control it, it's a company. That company has venture investors that would say it is a security. And I think the SEC did believe XRP is a security. Now, that's a controversial one, but You can say XRP is very, very different. Perhaps they're trying to put the genie back in the bottle in the XRP example. Okay, continue. Let's see if we can thread this needle here.

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  11. People do have the expectation of profit when they buy it. Nobody's buying Bitcoin just to own some ones and zeros. And it's to be delivered from the efforts of others. Okay, now that one's kind of on the Bitcoin, a jump ball, right? Like you have Michael Saylor out there pumping it, so it does feel at times like a common enterprise, but the truth is you have no control over him. He could one day wake up and say, no, I think Bitcoin's a scam. I'm selling all my Bitcoin, right? Yes. I'm going to buy Solana, ETH, whatever. So it doesn't feel like Bitcoin. Passes this test. I don't know so much. Bitcoin does wait.

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  12. So, if we were to put Bitcoin against this, you do invest money in Bitcoin. Is it a common enterprise with a central group of people? No, it's by definition distributed and decentralized, right? There's no one person who can make the decisions for what happens to Bitcoin. Right. It's literally. Was designed in the famous white paper to be decentralized.

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  13. Around the Trump meme coin, if I'm being candid. It feels like, oops, Trump did something. Let's make the law fit now. Also, myself do believe we should redo regulations and people should be able to invest in anything they want through an accredited test Just for intellectual curiosity here, let's look at the how we test. And what the SEC said, and just try to make sense of this.

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  14. In the short term, more revenue in the long term because you get to take a chance. There was some SEC notes about meme coins and the Howey test. I think we should. Explain yes, there it is. The securities and exchange commission with a doge dog on it. Okay, here we are, folks. We went from Too cold In the Goldilock zone with Gensler. And I guess we're now going into the too hot under.

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  15. Brought that up as well. It's a really interesting point. If you don't have five job offers from the Mac7 plus Coinbase Uber, et cetera, yeah, you're going to be more likely to take a startup job, which might mean less revenue.

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  16. So, what you can take from this is a non AI company will see similar gains, maybe not as pronounced. It might not be a third, but it might be 10%. So overall, great for the American economy, great for innovation. And we're not seeing a job implosion yet. We probably will see that in self-driving, maybe retail or factory work. But I got to be honest, like until I see us, Alex, lose jobs. Because of AI and those people not find work. Think I'm going to stick with there'll be job displacement, we'll be able to absorb those people or new people and net net will be able to navigate this here in the United States.

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  17. If you don't have product market fit, you can't have your revenue ramp. So, just as founders, understand that, you got to get product market fit first. What does product market fit mean? It means like you're rush, you're really solving a problem that people are willing to give you money for. And if you do, what this shows is you're going to go a third faster or so to hit those incredible numbers. So congratulations to those companies and thank you to Stripe for releasing it. This is really good for the American economy as well. What this means is the productivity caused by AI is seen in AI companies in the most pronounced way. That makes sense because the people who are running AI companies are the first to use AI.

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  18. Pretty great data because it's the actual money flowing. And this is what we're seeing inside of our organization, the startups we invest in, smaller number of people ramping revenue quicker if they get product market fit. So this is predicated on getting product market fit.

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  20. Did you know you're required to pay digital sales tax wherever your customers are? Well, no one likes dealing with this type of administration, whether it's taxes or accounting, especially when you're in a busy startup. And that's why PATL has stepped in to put your billing and your taxes on autopilot. Whether you're launching a SaaS product or maybe you've got an app, perhaps a game, you now can reach billions of people globally. That's the magic of the internet. It's the magic of the App Store. And it's awesome. And it's one of the things, hey, as an investor, we love too. But this scaling brings tons of challenges. It's like taking payments in local currencies and navigating all those regional tax laws. They're complicated. Plus, you got to manage fraud. You got to manage refunds, right? And that's different in every market. And that's a massive headache that's going to slow you down from doing important work with product market fit, hiring, and raising money. So let me tell you, a messy payment stack is going to eat up all your time, all of your energy and money. These are big company problems.

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  21. Niche podcast about startups that got him fired End, you know, I'm not in the Epstein flight logs. I didn't get Palmer Lucky fire. Let's try to get back to reality, folks. Palmer Lucky got fired by Cheryl Sandberg and Zuckerberg because it was really untenable to be at a Silicon Valley company in that Trump 1.0 era and be a Trump supporter. It's not like today where you can be a Trump supporter and not get fired. At that time, if you were like a high-profile person and you were supporting Trump, it was, you know, kind of cataclysmic here in the valley. You can say what you want about it, but that's the truth. I just commented on it. I commented in a spicy way. You can look it up. Anyway, let's move on. There's other things to talk about.

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  22. I guess, I mean, I'll be totally honest, my life is so great. I got a great family Done better than I have ever expected. I get to pick what I do. I have the greatest friends in the world. I get to ski, you know, I ski 24 years this year. I'll probably get another 10, 15 days. And I mean, everything in my life is so great. The only thing I'm ever worried about is, you know, my dad's a little bit sick or whatever, you know, things I have to do as a parent, you know, that's what I'm focused on. So I actually don't care. And I didn't get Palmer Lucky fired to be clear. I think some people think like I said something on this.

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  23. CIA, Mussad, KGB agent. And I think he was trying to get Compromot on people like Trump, Gates, you know, anybody who was powerful. I know I sound like a conspiracy theorist there, but that's what I heard from many people who are in the circles was that he was probably some sort of a spy of some type. But anyway, here we are year 15 or 20 of this for me. I'll explain it every year. I'm an open book. I've never been questioned by any CIA FBI. I guess I'm not important enough to compromise. I'm a peripheral figure here at best.

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  24. And I'll be honest, I don't think even though Trump knew him and there's like this famous video of him at a party with him at Murlago, I don't think Trump's involved in any shenanigans with him. I think he probably knew him. They probably, you know, these guys are 30 years older than me at that period of time in New York. I was in my 20s running my magazine. I was kind of notable, not like super notable, but I had a magazine. And, you know. I think he was This is my very, I think Epstein was like,

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  25. I think none of these people were involved in the alleged shenanigans. It's probably 0.001% of the 10,000 people who Jeffrey Epstein knew or was at conferences with or in his black book were involved in this. But here we are in the conspiracy age. I'll have to deal with this forever. I will make it clear forever.

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  26. The feud continues. Palmer's gonna dunk on me, and his partner posted like, oh my God, I'm gonna have a terrible weekend, I guess, insinuating like, oh my God, you know, something terrible. Do I look like I'm worried? This has been going on for like literally 10 or 20 years now. Anybody who met Jeffrey Epstein or ran into him, Donald Trump, Woody Allen, Bill Gates, Reid Hoffman. Okay, there you go. I mean, the list goes on and on.

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  27. All these MIT professors, he was there giving them donations to charity to their research, probably have spoken to him for 30 minutes total in my life. Obviously not his type and never flew on the planes. Never went to his island. But I am in his black book, like hundreds and thousands of other people who were notable in New York City, finance, or tech. So what is Palmer Lucky do today? He insinuates that I'm in the logs because I guess they were supposed to release all this stuff. But it's the same thing. It's his black book. So I'll say it again. I was never involved with Ebstein. I was never on his island. I was not involved in all those alleged shenanigans. And there are thousands of other people in his black book. I'm not going to mention the 50 people who Palmer Lucky and I have friends with who are also in his black book, who are also at the TED conference with him during that period of time.

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  28. He wouldn't have been fired. He would have been lauded, right? So times change. But I think my advice to founders stays the same. And the advice I gave to founders at the time was pretty simple. Don't do anything covertly because it winds up blowing up in your lap. Okay, putting that aside. I did say it a little spicy. And I guess, you know, as somebody told me amongst our mutuals, and I got a lot of mutuals with Palmer, he sees me as the avatar of that very, you know, painful time in his life. So he's going to unload on me every chance he gets. Well, it's Friday. The Epstein files were supposed to be dumped. As I've explained, a gazillion times when I was in New York in the 90s and when I was going to the TED conference in the early 2000s, I met Epstein. I'll be happy to have met Epstein a half dozen times. He would be at these billionaire's dinners. He would be at TED. And he would be there giving Marvin Minsky and I don't know like.

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  29. Okay, so I said some spicy things about Palmer Lucky on this podcast years ago. You can just type in Palmer Lucky Jason Calicanison. You'll find it. Essentially, he got fired from Facebook by Zuckerberg and Cheryl Sandberg. And I think the reason they fired him, he's admitted was he funded something that was, you know, he covertly funded something at the time is the allegation that was like an anti-Hillary campaign. Putting it aside, I said on the program, you know, I think it's dumb to do that because if you're a leader, it's going to blow up in your face. I did say it a little bit spicier than I'm saying it now, which maybe I didn't need to be as spicy as I was at the time. And I guess I could have put a caveat on it if the guardian story, if the verge story is true, right? Because now nobody trusts me. So everybody assumes anything the media says is false. But the truth is at that time he was fired. And I guess, you know, maybe in Trump too.

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  30. For me at that age, I guess that's why tournaments are nice because without the ability to rebuy, you know, you get to maybe last a little bit longer and it's all good. Well, it is a great Friday here, but I do want to address the Palmer Lucky feud. You know, the Palmer Lucky feud is going to keep happening. So here we are.

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  31. Yeah, that's not good. You get a bad beat, you know, you get into a 65 35 situation, which you always want to be in. You'll take that all day. Oh, yeah. The villain hits the one out of three chance. And there you are. Now you're out of the game, which is why you need to play a smaller game.

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  32. All right, everybody, welcome back to this week in startups. It's Friday. We're here three days a week with me, of course, Alex Wilhelm. How is your little Fake, hey, brother? You have a good time. You play a little poker. You had baby with baguette. It looks like you had a good time.

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  33. Everybody can have their own opinion on this and what makes a great democracy is that we debate stuff. This feels like to me, I'll just say it in no uncertain terms, that this was written. And design To get The Trump coin and the Melania coin out of hot water.

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  34. There was some SEC notes about meme coins and the Howey test. Yes, there it is. Security is an exchange commission with a doge dog on it. Okay, here we are, folks. He went from Cold In the Goldilock zone with Gensler. And I guess we're now going into the too hot under Trump. Maybe? I don't know.

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