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Brett Johnson

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“A lot of it's going to be solo. Now, I'm calling it the Brett Johnson Show. I mean, because it's going to handle crime, talk to criminals and how they turn their lives around to a degree as well. But there's some shit I want to bitch about too. So figure”
2022-03-27 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #272 – Brett Johnson: US Most Wanted Cybercriminal · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“It may have been me But then I did the Anglerfish podcast, which was, I got to be honest with you, Alex, it was completely directional. And it was Brett Johnson getting lazy. So I ended that. The Brett Johnson Show is launching the new.”
2022-03-27 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #272 – Brett Johnson: US Most Wanted Cybercriminal · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“So good at this. I've done a couple. I'm on a lot of podcasts and everything like that. I had the broadcast. With a friend of mine, Caris Hendrick. And that ended because of a difference of opinion. Depending on who you ask, one of us was an asshole”
2022-03-27 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #272 – Brett Johnson: US Most Wanted Cybercriminal · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Yeah. I mean, with me, I've been asked a few times, do you regret anything? Would you change anything Now, I've done a shitload of despicable things in my life, but I am at a point in my life where I like who I am, and I know that I am doing exactly what I'm supposed to be doing in my life. So when I change anything as bad as a lot of that shit has been I wouldn't.”
2022-03-27 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #272 – Brett Johnson: US Most Wanted Cybercriminal · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Don't think it is ridiculous, man. To me, that meaning in life is finding out that lesson. That we need to help each other. You ask about security. How do you get to say that? But everybody's worried about themselves. Way you solve that security problem is it takes everybody looking out for everyone else. That's how you solve that problem.”
2022-03-27 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #272 – Brett Johnson: US Most Wanted Cybercriminal · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Of the news. I'll tell you what, I'm sitting here. I appreciate you talking to me. I do because, you know, I'm talking about that relationship and everything. It's really been this kind of realization for me on a lot of things. So I really appreciate you asking those questions and everything. Maybe able to talk about that.”
2022-03-27 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #272 – Brett Johnson: US Most Wanted Cybercriminal · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Yeah, that's what causes me to spare and what I think that we just need to. Elizabeth was very good. She taught me one hell of a lesson because before I met her, I was a newshound. News beyond all the time, a couple channels of it, and she was the woman who didn't watch the news at all. And I didn't understand that back then, man. But now I do. You know, now Mike, it's pretty smart, you know. Don't need to listen to that bullshit as it is”
2022-03-27 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #272 – Brett Johnson: US Most Wanted Cybercriminal · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Absolutely, absolutely. But, you know, as human beings, we do. When things really get bad, when things really get bad, we do tend to respond and group together. We do that.”
2022-03-27 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #272 – Brett Johnson: US Most Wanted Cybercriminal · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“You know, what gives me hope is. See people working together. COVID's been a little bit different because I think too many people wanted to play politics with it.”
2022-03-27 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #272 – Brett Johnson: US Most Wanted Cybercriminal · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Biggest lesson I've learned You want your life Be one where you're helping people and not hurting people. And that really hit me the first time I walked into Quatico. You see the brightest minds in the United States who give up a lot of money Because they believe in helping people. Where I spent a career just hurting and harming individuals, that's a hell of a lesson. And I'm glad I'm there. But I would tell people out there, you know, it's fine to want money. It's fine to do that. It's fine to test systems. It's fine to circumvent the rules if you're not breaking the law. It's fine to do all that. I like doing that. But if you've got the mindset, if you can just adhere to the mindset of helping people and not hurting people, I think you'll be all right at the end of the day.”
2022-03-27 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #272 – Brett Johnson: US Most Wanted Cybercriminal · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Now, do I worry about that? It's interesting that My family worries about that. All right, I think I may be just too involved in it to appreciate that type of danger. But my family worries about that. They do. Do I think it's a possibility? I'm the guy that says what needs to be said. I've built my trust in this industry by not being scared of calling out companies and individuals. I'm not being scared of targeting criminals or criminal groups. You're a”
2022-03-27 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #272 – Brett Johnson: US Most Wanted Cybercriminal · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Cartels are part of Drugs are inherently intertwined in cybercrime marketplaces because of the profit potential. And with that comes a lot of violence as well.”
2022-03-27 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #272 – Brett Johnson: US Most Wanted Cybercriminal · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I said, when we started Shadow Crew and started that initial cybercrime business, that world. Violence wasn't there. It came in later. Now violence is inherent in the system to do the Monty Python bit. It's part of it.”
2022-03-27 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #272 – Brett Johnson: US Most Wanted Cybercriminal · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I mean, it's just people don't understand or appreciate the value of who they are. And certainly you've got a host of companies. ID means not the only one, but you've got some of these companies that say, well, we strip out the PII of the individual. We're just using the biometrics and the sites they're visiting and things like that. That's identity. You can still ping that one unique individual out of all using that information, stripping out the PII, you can still ping who that individual is.”
2022-03-27 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #272 – Brett Johnson: US Most Wanted Cybercriminal · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Right. The issue that I have with ID me is that their policies are somewhat questionable. I don't care if you're a private company that has those policies in place, but if you're a government agency and you as a citizen are entitled to a benefit or a service of that government agency, and then the government agency forces you to give up your complete identity profile to a private company. And then that private company uses that profile for marketing purposes to further profit, things like that. I have a huge issue with that. I don't care if you're a private company that does that. I just don't think that citizens need to be forced into doing that in order to get a benefit or service that they're entitled to. So that's my big issue.”
2022-03-27 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #272 – Brett Johnson: US Most Wanted Cybercriminal · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Private information. They've got a tiered system or the verification. They've got, you can do a free system, which is questionable where you submit an ID. And it's been shown several bypasses have been shown. And I don't want to talk about their security horribly bad because I want to be honest. There are bypasses for a lot of security systems out there. Right.”
2022-03-27 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #272 – Brett Johnson: US Most Wanted Cybercriminal · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“The IRS. So, what is it? So, IDM is an identity. Okay, backtrack. IDM is a marketing company that wants to say they're an identity verification company.”
2022-03-27 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #272 – Brett Johnson: US Most Wanted Cybercriminal · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I was wondering if you were going to mention them. You know, they lost, I guess I was partially responsible for them losing an 86 million dollar contract.”
2022-03-27 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #272 – Brett Johnson: US Most Wanted Cybercriminal · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“It's outstanding. I do. I think that pen testing white hat stuff is outstanding. I truly do. I think that you have to. It has to be tempered with His reality as well, though we've got a whole industry of people who try to sell RFID wallets that I don't know of many RFID hackers out there on the criminal side, to be honest with”
2022-03-27 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #272 – Brett Johnson: US Most Wanted Cybercriminal · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“The software that you have, if you look at it, that attack surface, you can't plug everything, it's too damn large to plug everything. But you can do the best job you can possibly do, but it takes a variety of tools to do that. The idea, and Arcos is big about that, but the idea is to. Take the cost of fraud to the fraudsters so high that they basically try to pick another target. That's the idea that you want. You want it to be not worth the criminal's time to hit your company.”
2022-03-27 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #272 – Brett Johnson: US Most Wanted Cybercriminal · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Depends on who you are and what you do as a person and as a business, so you have to understand that design security around that. We've got 7,500 security companies out there. A whole lot of them are snake oil salesmen. A lot of them is going to tell you that we're the one-stop solution You're not. You're not. You're a tool. All right? And you may have a very good tool, but it's not the only tool that's needed to protect against the attacks that are out there. And we have to be open and honest about that kind of stuff if we're not.”
2022-03-27 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #272 – Brett Johnson: US Most Wanted Cybercriminal · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“They've got to do that. And companies have to, you know, I made that point that. They never report to law enforcement. That's companies and individuals. I've worked with Fortune 50 companies that will not press charges. Instead, they'll have that insider or that criminal sign an NDA, they'll pay him off, and we won't mention this shit anymore. You have to press charges. You have to report. You have to raise the awareness of everyone in the group. You have to be, it's that idea, and I've talked about that before, of understanding your place in that cybercrime spectrum. The way a criminal will victimize you.”
2022-03-27 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #272 – Brett Johnson: US Most Wanted Cybercriminal · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Security, how that doesn't take care of solar wind Or CNAP or anything like that, it doesn't. But those instances, I mean, okay, that's a big instance. It is”
2022-03-27 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #272 – Brett Johnson: US Most Wanted Cybercriminal · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“That networking aspect, that trust aspect of how criminals establish trust with each other, how they work together. A lot of companies think that it's a single player that's out victimizing them. And when you really break down how cybercrime operates, that you've got a group of individuals that are working together to hit you, but not only hit you, but they share and exchange information freely. Companies don't do that. You've got privacy concerns. You've got competitive edge concerns, everything else. Companies don't share information across the board, like criminals do. Criminals do that. You have to appreciate that. You have to understand that big statistic that 90% of your tax use known exploits. It's not the stuff we don't know about. It's the shit we do know about. We're not doing anything about.”
2022-03-27 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #272 – Brett Johnson: US Most Wanted Cybercriminal · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“If Mularski hadn't responded, if I hadn't had my sister, my wife, these companies that initially gave me that chance, my ass would be back in prison for 20 years. I have no doubt about that at all. All right. So you have to realize that. You know, cybercrime, a lot of companies that I talk to, they don't really understand or appreciate the...”
2022-03-27 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #272 – Brett Johnson: US Most Wanted Cybercriminal · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“There's so many lessons to really be had. To me, the lesson, one of the big lessons to me is. You can't serve two masters. If you're that guy that is committing crime or that person that's addicted or you're in love with somebody that's addicted or has that, they don't love you. They love that addiction that comes first. It's always going to come first. So you have to realize that. You have to know when to... Kind of when to cut somebody off. And something that knowing that they're not going to change until they decide to change. At the same time, you've got to realize that the only reason I was able to turn my life around is because people took that chance on me. That's really the only reason.”
2022-03-27 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #272 – Brett Johnson: US Most Wanted Cybercriminal · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“And I knew I'd go so far at that point. So I looked at Michelle and I was like, let me see what I can do. Signed on to LinkedIn, reached out to this FBI super cop named Keith Mularsky out of the Pittsburgh office. He was involved with my arrest and some associates and everything else and sent him a message and the message was, you know, hey, I respect everything you did. I think you did a great job. By the way, I'd like to be legal. And Dude responded within two hours. Two hours. He gives me references, advice, takes me in under his wing. Everything else like that. And from that point, man, it was the head of the identity theft council did the same thing. Card Not Present Group hires me to speak. Microsoft hires me to consult with them. And the Microsoft hire established enough trust in the industry that I was all right from that point.”
2022-03-27 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #272 – Brett Johnson: US Most Wanted Cybercriminal · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“So the judge amends a sentence to a year and a day. So I serve 10 months. They send me back to Texas. And that's what I find out that... Michelle didn't need me for what I could give her. Just want to meet from me that entire time. She stands by me the entire time. I do my 10 months, get out, we get married after that, and they kill probation. So I can touch a computer. They tell you, they tell you, they were like, you know, inmates, a felon, if nothing else, he can sell cars. Well, it turns out you can't. You can sell cars if you're a drug dealer. If you're the guy who steals all the money and people's information, no, fuck no, you can't get a job selling cars. So can't get a job. Cannot. And to this day, Lex, I know what my what my triggers are. I know what it would take to get me back into committing crime.”
2022-03-27 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #272 – Brett Johnson: US Most Wanted Cybercriminal · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“And I call her, and I was like, Come to the police station. I've been arrested. And she shows up, and she didn't know I've been doing that. My probation officer, of course, he didn't know or anything else. My sentencing for that, probation officer was air prosecutor, the judge US Marshals, Michelle, and me. Michelle stands up and she tells the judge that I'm a better dad to her kids than their actual father is. That point, I'm crying. Probation officer stands up and he was like, We think Mr. Johnson's a good guy. We think this is a one-time thing. Prosecutor says the same thing. Judge sentences me to one year Probation officer stands back up, and he's like, Mr. Johnson, judge, if you can give Mr. Johnson a year and a day, he can get the good time and get back to his family center.”
2022-03-27 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #272 – Brett Johnson: US Most Wanted Cybercriminal · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I'm like, I got to do something. And I get it in my head. I was like, you know what, if nothing else, I can just bring food in the house. She was only making, I think, I mean, we were headed hard. You know, it was just her working. And I was like, nothing else I can bring food in the house. Get on the dark web, get some stolen credit cards. Start ordering food. Well, it gets worse than that. She's got two sons there. So I'm like, well, they need clothes. So he starts stealing clothes and continues like that. I get arrested. I get arrested on a food order. Michelle didn't know what I was doing. So she had been to work and she was coming back from work. I got arrested. And I'm like,”
2022-03-27 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #272 – Brett Johnson: US Most Wanted Cybercriminal · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I thought I found another job. Something else. In a speech, I say it got cold and the grass started to stop growing. The truth of the matter was, I thought I found another job. A guy was offering to pay me $1,500 a week doing the sales for oil rig training was what it was. And I accepted the job. I quit working for Dustin. And the guy... I told him before he even offered him the job. I told him my criminal history because I was required to do that. So I was supposed to start work. Well, he calls me and tells me he can't hire me. So I'm out of work. Dustin's already hired somebody else by that point, so I can't go back with him And I'm that guy again, man. It's important for me to show value in a relationship. So Michelle was only one working”
2022-03-27 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #272 – Brett Johnson: US Most Wanted Cybercriminal · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Like, if I hire you, will you actually work? I told him, I was like, Dustin, if you'll give me a job, I promise I'll work my ass off. He's like, show up six o'clock. I was like, all right. So my job was to push a lawnmower ten hours a day, five days a week for four hundred dollars a week, and busted my ass. I hit it so hard I would. I had come in of a night and pass out, wake up the next morning, and hit it again. And it got to the point. He ended up, this dude ended up offering me to come in and partner with his business. His brother dropped out. By that point, I'd learned everything on the business and everything. And he was like, you know, if you'd like to come in, I'll cut you in half. And I was like, Dustin, I can't do it, man. Because I wasn't making any money. He didn't want to pay me anymore until he was able to do more.”
2022-03-27 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #272 – Brett Johnson: US Most Wanted Cybercriminal · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I got a job. And the job I got, my probation officer let me have a cell phone. I was going through Craigslist. This guy was advertising for landscaping, called him up. His name was Dustin Duramus, called him up and he's like, come on down and talk to me. So he was running this business him and his brother were out of his house. So I'm sitting there talking to him for about 20 minutes. He looks at me and he's like, can I ask you a question? I was like, yeah. He's like, are you on the rut or something? So I'm like, no, why? And he was like, well, you just don't look like the kind of guy that do this. So I told him, I was like, this is who I am. This is what I've done. Looks at me, he's like, Man, I got to think about that. So he tells me to go on home. That was a Friday. Sunday evening he gives me a call and he was like, Brett.”
2022-03-27 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #272 – Brett Johnson: US Most Wanted Cybercriminal · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“That's how that works. So I had a friend post an ad for me on plenty of fish. And this woman responds, my wife, she responds. And the pictures I had taken were these prison type pictures, you know, the serious like. She sends me a message why aren't you smiling? And my response was, that is my happy face. We start talking and we started dating. And she ends up, she's that second saving thing, man. I ended up moving in with her. I was going broke. I was about to get kicked out of the apartment and everything else. And she didn't say it, but I think she knew it. Moved in with”
2022-03-27 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #272 – Brett Johnson: US Most Wanted Cybercriminal · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“So about the same time I had a friend that this guy, I've been dating the same type of women I have been dating. Unhealthy ones. The hot, unhealthy ones.”
2022-03-27 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #272 – Brett Johnson: US Most Wanted Cybercriminal · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Was a steady decline because remember I taught my dad how to commit tax fraud. So he bankrolled a lot of that until he couldn't. And then from there it's like, what the fuck do you do? So I didn't want to go into computer crime at all. And I ended up shoplifting toilet paper, man. Shoplifting toilet paper.”
2022-03-27 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #272 – Brett Johnson: US Most Wanted Cybercriminal · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I had enough money to feed that little guy and didn't have money to my toilet paper for the apartment. So I was on Panama City Beach.”
2022-03-27 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #272 – Brett Johnson: US Most Wanted Cybercriminal · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Then had a job offer from No Before, a fishing company. Couldn't take that. Got to where I was trying to apply for fast food jobs. That's a computer. Can't touch that. Okay. Then what about a waiter's position? Well, that's a computer and access to credit cards, idiot. Can't touch that either. So literally could not get a job. Could not. Doing food stamps. I had a roommate that paying half the rent. They tell you when you leave prison to get a job and something you care about and you won't recidivate, couldn't get a job and what I had was a cat. Monster the cat. That was the cat's name.”
2022-03-27 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #272 – Brett Johnson: US Most Wanted Cybercriminal · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Over those years. Took two and a half years to realize that I didn't commit crime because of stripper girlfriends or wives or family. I committed it because I wanted to, chose to. That's the first turnaround. Second turnaround is like the CBT training. It didn't really hit while I was in prison. I went through it and they ingrained it in you. But until you choose to make it work, it doesn't work. So I got out in 2011, didn't want to break the law, did not. I was under three years probation. Couldn't touch a computer. I had a job offer from Deloitte. To run a cybercrime office in the UK, which that was a no. No, you're not moving, and that's a computer idiot.”
2022-03-27 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #272 – Brett Johnson: US Most Wanted Cybercriminal · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Yeah, she's something, she's something. Yeah, she saw me for 10 minutes telling me she loves me. And then I don't see her.”
2022-03-27 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #272 – Brett Johnson: US Most Wanted Cybercriminal · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“It's a combination, man. It's a combination. It was. So, my sister disowns me, the only person I had in my life. I mean, me and my sister, that's it. You know, I mean, yeah, I loved Elizabeth. I love my wife now. But, you know, it's... And my sister, we went through all that shit together. So Denise disongs me, she doesn't talk to me for an entire year when all this stuff happens. After I get arrested on the escape, she ends up driving seven hours to come see me to tell me she loves me. And I don't see her again for five and a half years. Yeah. Yeah. So that's really the first turnaround. Took me two and a half years in prison to accept responsibility. Two and a half years ago.”
2022-03-27 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #272 – Brett Johnson: US Most Wanted Cybercriminal · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“So it was a nine month program, 24 hours a day of cognitive behavioral therapy. It had nothing to do with drugs. It was all peer study stuff and CBT training. And honestly, it's the best thing that could ever happen. Truly is”
2022-03-27 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #272 – Brett Johnson: US Most Wanted Cybercriminal · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“So I start rattling off prisoners' dilemma and everything else. He's like, Will you teach a class? So I start teaching that. I start teaching inmates public speaking. To make friends with his counselor. So it gets time where I'm supposed to be transferring out to this drug program that they only had in Fort Worth. And the transfers are taking like four or five months. And that's four or five months I could be out free. So I went up to him one day and I was like, look, his name was Keeley. I was like, look, man, I said, is there any way that I can get transferred out any sooner? And he looks at me and he's like, Brett, I cannot help you. And I was like, I appreciate that. Thank you so much for even trying. So he said that a week later, I'm on a bus going to Fort Worth. So he got to Fort Worth.”
2022-03-27 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #272 – Brett Johnson: US Most Wanted Cybercriminal · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I went through the, I told you it was a good lie that I told. I went through the residential drug abuse program. It's a nine-month intensive therapy. And the way I got to that, this counselor at Big Spring, he bought this. He wanted inmates to be educated. He was a really good guy. So he wanted inmates to be educated. He got a discount on a game theory class set. So he gets all these discs in and everything and he's asking, does anybody on the compound know anything about game theory? And somebody says, if anybody does, it'll be Brett Johnson. So he comes up to me one day at my buggy. He's like, are you Brett Johnson? I was like, yeah. He's like, do you know anything about game theory? And I was like, yes, I do.”
2022-03-27 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #272 – Brett Johnson: US Most Wanted Cybercriminal · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Exactly right. So, second right, you start to notice this. Hey, man. This ain't me. This ain't our group. Third riot, no shit. Third riot, you lay in your bunk. You let them wage war all around you. And every now and then you have an inmate that'll run up to you and he'll point to a locker and say, Is that your locker? And if you tell them yes, they leave it alone. If you say it's not my locker, they'll break into it and steal everything out of it and go from there. And that's what happens.”
2022-03-27 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #272 – Brett Johnson: US Most Wanted Cybercriminal · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Trust matters. Trust drives everything at the end of the day. The riots that I went through, the first riot, man, you're scared to death. Scared to death. You know, you've got the cops dressed up in the Ninja Turtle outfits. You've got the rubber bullets, the tear gas canisters, all that crap. You've got the inmates that are raising hell. Scared to death. The second riot, you calm down. Second riot, you start to notice. This is racial riot. This is typically and almost always it's Hispanics and African Americans.”
2022-03-27 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #272 – Brett Johnson: US Most Wanted Cybercriminal · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Make two lines of the inmates. And what happens is the inmate walks into a room, they shut the door behind the inmate, Guard asks them two questions. First question is, did you see anything? The answer is no. Second question is, if you had seen anything, would you say anything? Answer is no. Guard then says, get the fuck out. And that's it. Anybody that stays in any longer than that? Is automatically suspect. So there was one instance. I remember this Hispanic guy. He's in there for a few minutes. And everybody's like, What's going on His people, then call him over. Explain to us what went on. And it happens like this”
2022-03-27 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #272 – Brett Johnson: US Most Wanted Cybercriminal · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“So, the first time you see that, you see that migration, you look up in the distance, and that one inmate's got another inmate down, and he's just hammering his head right into the pavement, like that right there. Well, guards don't stop that because a guard may get hurt. So a guard is 15 minutes coming out to stop that until everything's over. By that point, the guy doesn't have a head. Shut the compound down, and this is what happens so you shut the entire compound down.”
2022-03-27 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #272 – Brett Johnson: US Most Wanted Cybercriminal · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Quickly, quickly. And so typically the guys would say, I just want to do my own time. That would be the line. And it's like, okay, don't mess with him. All right. Every now and then you'd have somebody lie, and that would come with those types of consequences. I got to see while I was there. Saw two people murdered. Saul went through three prison riots, and through my entire tenure in prison, saw four suicides. The people who got killed, it was, so we had outside you had this track, a third of a mile track. You walk at counterclockwise, and inside of the track, you got two handball courts. So of an evening, it happened both times. All of us would be walking, you know, doing our exercises. And at the top of the key, like a flock of birds, you'd see all the inmates start to migrate down toward the gate.”
2022-03-27 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #272 – Brett Johnson: US Most Wanted Cybercriminal · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Very much so. And what that looks like in prison, depending on the, it depends on the security class that you're in what level prison. But at that prison, what that looked like was you're not allowed to talk to anybody. Not allowed to watch television. You can go to the library. You don't associate with anyone except your own type. If you do anything like this, we will kill you. If someone wants to extort you, we will do that too, and you won't tell on us, or we'll kill you. So that's the way that works at that point.”
2022-03-27 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #272 – Brett Johnson: US Most Wanted Cybercriminal · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source