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Caitlin Flanagan

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“I mean, I was nowhere near as sick as I was on actually being on chemo. And it was a chemo, but it was this smart bomb kind of chemo where it goes through your body and it only explodes inside a cancer cell, which is wonderful, but it does still. So you don't lose your hair or anything, but it does still left me really tired and kind of sick. So then I switched up to this new treatment. So there's a lot in the armamentorium. And it just goes to show when you throw a whole lot of money and a whole lot of science at one very particular problem, you start getting some answers to it. You know, science is real, I guess.”
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“To other drugs, it still hurts up. Now I take her septin because obviously it failed me because I'd been on her septin every three weeks for 11 years. So I started the cancer assert itself more strongly against it. But I still get it in combination with this other drug that's now in the armament mentorium called progetta. And then with an ejection of huge horse-sized injections of something else every three weeks, the first one, the thing is I'll be on treatment the rest of my life. Until or unless something better comes along or more definitively curative. So the first one that I tried was doing a good job, but I just couldn't imagine living my life on it. I was just too sick from it.”
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“For cancer. But everyone there is really nice. So there's a lot of just things you have to jump over. And I'm not parking down in the basement because I don't want to have more people in my car, but I want to go down there to give a tip to the guys I know. So it's all a little bit challenging. Admit, but a lot of people are in a lot worse situations”
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“Or if they just wanted patients that have these underlying conditions to stay out of hospitals that are so full of every kind of thing floating around could be COVID as well, as much as possible. I don't know. But at a certain point, you have to get your scans. So I'll go there. And then I have to go a lot to get my infusions. So with that, it's just a lot of like they call you first and ask you the questions and then you're out in the about symptoms. Do you have any of the symptoms? No. And I would love to have a test for this thing because I wonder if in early January might have kind of been exposed to it because I was a bit sick in early January. And so it's my husband. And he'd just come back from New York. But I know there's the beautiful, perfect available tests are not as perfectly beautifully available as we've been led to believe. But anyways, then they take your temperature. And then finally, they let you in to the infusion space. And you're kind of like, ah, I've made it, you know, to this horrible place where I get treated.”
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“Well, part of having cancer at this stage is that you have to get a lot of PET CT scans because you have to find out if the treatment you're on is working and if it has the cancer stable or if the cancer is growing during in the presence of this treatment, meaning you have to get a different treatment. You have to change your treatment. And then because of very long story with these other cancer treatments I've had in the past, they have given me certain other problems that have to be checked a lot that I gained because I was treated for cancer. So I should have really had a pet CT scan probably a month ago. And I will have it this month on the 27th because they're really trying to push anything they can do. I don't know really in the beginning if it was because they felt that the hospitals out here in California would be overrun as they are have been in New York City.”
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“Right. Oh, that's a good title for a book, kind of a cheesy book, but one I wish I could write and make a fortune on because it sounds like something I would buy.”
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“Well, first place, if there's anything in the world, she is not unaware of, it would be her beauty, I would say, just the way she displays herself, rightly so, beautiful young woman. There's a wonderful English expression that at age Get the face you deserved, you know. Like that, it is going through life as a beautiful or pretty or attractive young woman. Oh man, a lot of doors fly open and you're intensely aware that it's going to stop. But then you kind of charter over into confused older lady and they open the doors too. Maybe it's not as dire, but for sure I would say more to the point is that she's Canadian and she's presenting herself as a sufferer of the ancient wrongs against people of color in this nation, which is just a very odd.”
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“And if she thought that the Atlantic would public, the Atlantic began, it was founded by abolitionists that thought that they would be, oh, we have this racist writer, let's just lightly edit her for tone is absurd.”
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“I said, I have children. I want to live for their graduation. She told me to, I should use my remaining years atoning for sin that she's divined, that I have, but that was edited out.”
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“Are so poisonous. And boy, once it gets gendered, once you have really angry anonymous men saying things to young, very public women, it gets into a place far, far, far beyond what this was about. And so I'm always telling them, don't worry about that. Pay no attention. It's nothing. It's pixels. It's somebody else on the other side who's just, you know, you're as remote to them as like Richard Nixon, who's dead and gone. You're just like a public figure. They don't think if they're not having any kind of personal communication with you, just ignore it. So I tried to live into the advice that I always give young women, which is just this had a little more bite, as I say, because she publishes where I publish.”
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“Well, I often talk to young women about because some of our best minds of our generation are of their generation, some of the best minds of the generation that's young now that are female, female half of it, they just feel for reasons to protect themselves, they can't go on any kind of a public platform such as Twitter because these hideous, hideous things that flow back to them.”
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“I'm never going to, you know, you can spare me from cancer for 500 years. I don't think that's going to be happening. But I can free myself from her, but I don't want to have, but part of it is what I'm trying to say is just because you've forgiven someone doesn't mean it's a love in. And it certainly doesn't mean, as I always tell people who are in any kind of abusive relationship, it doesn't mean you let the abuser back into your life if they haven't shown any possible sign of having changed, you know? You forgive them, but you keep your fence closed to them.”
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“I would start it with someone much higher up on the feeding chain of my enemies than this one. I don't see any need to have any, you know, I really think that Know maybe you need to be a lot more deathy to really, really understand how apology and forgiveness works and to really understand that, you know, forgiveness releases you and you don't have to do, you know, you'll see these people who like forgive the killers of a loved one.”
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“You know she's going to be writing. We will like in two days see her New York Times piece about how horrible we are to have had this discussion.”
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“Never this bad. I've had some bad tweets sent in my way. I've had some horrible reviews. No one has ever said, I hope she spends her remaining years atoning for sins she doesn't have. No one's gone that far.”
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“Now, forgiveness doesn't mean that you're open to be hurt by someone again. You know, you don't make yourself vulnerable. You're not Kumbaya. We're not going out for high tea anytime soon ever. But it just means I'm not chained to her anymore.”
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“Exactly They would accept the apology and not be lying about it. They would accept that there was some apologetic intention and then my brilliant son, Patrick, whose picture was in that the article you're talking about his picture when he was a little boy the day before I got cancer is in there. He said, And then you would tell her to stay safe in this pandemic. And I'm like, oh, Patrick, that's the killer right attitude. Can I have it? And then I had to think through that several different ways. And I was like, yeah, I hope she stays safe. You know, she's a young woman. She's a physician. She did something really hurtful. I don't see any evidence that she's, I don't know. I just hope she does well. And I do forgive her completely.”
2020-05-13 · Making Sense with Sam Harris · #203 — A Conversation with Caitlin Flanagan · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Yeah, she said something really terrible about you in public, but you didn't apologize for it in public. You're sneaking it around this a but I kind of scanned it. It was more upsetting to me in many ways than I thought, hold on. There's a really good game I rarely play, and I can always, but it's always a good game to play, which is like, what if I were an incredibly evolved good person, which I'm not, what would the Buddha do?”
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“So I look back on at the Twitter that day and And somebody said that was really cruel. And she said, I've apologized privately. And that was my only second tweet. I was like, I didn't see any apology. And she said, I was sent out at 5.28 p.m. as though like I was maligning her about her apology and she had the receipt for it But then I found it she'd sent it to my work email. And it was a super long, it started with, well, first place, as an editor told me, and I was like, you're really right about that. She's like, why a private apology for a public wrong?”
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“And so that's to me is a gold standard for apology. Now, the gold standard for forgiveness, there is no gold standard. I forgive her a thousand percent. And the reason for that isn't that she sent me what I consider a very not good apology in terms of the pantheon of apologies. The reason for that is I don't want to be changed to her in anger. Know I have to, if I don't release her in a complete forgiveness so that I can look forward, you know, hey, she's 31, she's learning, she's trying to get her hustle on with this website. You know, if I don't turn away from that and just say forgiven and mean it, even though I can laugh at how cruel it was and how much it hurt me, then I'll be chained to her forever and I can't even really remember her name right now. I totally really legitimately forgive her.”
2020-05-13 · Making Sense with Sam Harris · #203 — A Conversation with Caitlin Flanagan · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Well, I think a lot about apology. I've had to make a lot of apologies in my life because I screw up a lot. Maybe everybody screws up to some extent. This is for me when I make an apology. And number one, I have to own every part of the thing that was hurtful about what I did. Know, so it's not about I, it's not about a lot of explanation for why I would do that thing. It's just that thing must have hurt you in this way and this way and this way. And that is grievously wrong. And I am extremely sorry. And I really want to know if there's anything I can do to in any level repair this, you know.”
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“The fact that she's the remaining years in the first place, it was a lie. Say I sincerely hope she spends her remaining years. So the idea is like. Okay, she has decided that I am anti-feminist and a racist, and I'm going to spend my few remaining years She's dad, she's you know giving me a prognosis now. And then when I am a perfect vehicle of cleanliness, I can die. Like there won't even be like that I can. You know, it's just that I must prepare for death by cleansing myself of sins that she says I have but cannot prove that I have.”
2020-05-13 · Making Sense with Sam Harris · #203 — A Conversation with Caitlin Flanagan · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I will be honest that in the moment it was extremely painful. Yeah, it was. And I always remember this great routine and sari had where he said, you know, he scrolling through, you know, his tweets or whatever. And there was some young woman who said, I just love Aziz Ansari. And he said, she just assumed that like, I would never find that tweet. And he's like, of course I found the tweet. That's all I do. I'm a comedian. I sit home looking at Twitter and then I go to work at night. So it's sort of like a lot of times people tweet things out assuming. That the other person won't see them, or maybe won't react to them as a human being in a sense. And it was such a shocking thing. It was so shocking.”
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“Which they wouldn't even think of as privilege in the world comes at tremendous cost to other people and in particular to African American women. And I think they have the people who believe in a Becky Karen continuum. I would say they're absolutely right about that. I have no argument, have seen it many times. And I wrote 15 years ago a long cover story. Was that really the first story in a big national magazine that really said at length though what we think of as a women's movement is feminism has been tremendous gains for wealthy white women? And not only has it been far fewer gains for women of color and poor women, but in fact white women have leveraged rich white women have successful professional white women have leveraged their gains on the exploitation of darker skinned women. So I'm really, I agree with them about a lot of that.”
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“Where there's some slight distinction, but these are middle aged white women who, or maybe any age women, maybe Karen is the middle-aged one and Becky's the younger sister. I don't know, but they're clueless white women whose casual expectation of privilege.”
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“And then I started replying to the Twitters with the tweets about it with lines directly from the article itself, so that they would see that I think that they just saw the article and that it was about Megan and they're very protective of Megan, which I certainly understand because when I was young, I was very protective of Princess Diana, who whatever. But so that had been kind of what she was responding to for sure was this two-month-old Megan Markle piece. Karen and Abecky, I don't know what happened to Becky. I don't know if Karen killed Becky. And now Karen is ascendant. Or if Becky and Karen are like cousins and kind of like Midge and Barbie.”
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“Oh well, this is the thing So I published a long piece about Meghan Markle about two months ago. And it was a very positive make and mark. It was sort of saying explicitly, she's the best thing that ever happened to the royal family. It's a multicultural Britain, and that's an all-white balcony up there and really talked about what she had been through. And ultimately decided that the Queen of England is really an admirable person because she is someone who just, no matter what, has put her own desires last and what she perceives to be the country's desire first. And so at the time of that article, there was a perception that it was motivated by racial animus. And I was really interested and I was sort of engaged with people. I said, what is it that you find here that's racial animus? And they would say, you never said this, you never said this, you never said this, you said this, you said this, you said this. And I said, I did say all the things you thought I should say. I never said any of the things you thought I shouldn't have said.”
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“I felt like the only thing I was going to find, like what else is like, and she slept with your husband. You know, it's like, what? It's like, what else does this woman done to me? So that it just became kind of drool, you know? There was nothing but droolery to be heard.”
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“There's this whole branch of thinking that they were not killed, and it was a simulation and parents can't even go to their children's graves, which even the phrase children's graves is so obscene. So you know that it's a big country with a lot of people. But I didn't think it would be somebody who is a physician. It rise for the New York Times occasionally. And the big path the other really horrible discovery was that she wrote Her first thing on her own Twitter site was here's my first article for the Atlantic. Which to two weeks ago she wrote for The Atlantic, and I was like,”
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“I mean, I'm not saying it in a badass way. It's just if we just needed any evidence that I'm sure if she met me, she wouldn't have said that, but that Twitter is just this kind of float all these trial balloons, you know? And sometimes, and they're kind of meaningless, you know, they're just absolutely meaningless. And even as I saw it, I thought, I knew there'd be a ghoulish response from somebody because you're always hearing about, you know, how in the murders in the elementary school in Connecticut. Sandy hook.”
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“Right, right, although like maybe someone is kind of a jerk to you and you have cancer, you don't have to necessarily think to yourself. I must see the humanity in this person because it's like, I think you get to still know, you still get to have, I mean, it's very refreshing. Let me tell you, when you're in a deathy situation. The minute some small, trivial thing bothers you, you're like, oh, what a wonderful sensation to just be like annoyed by something. God, it's excellent.”
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“And to some extent, we're in such a precarious situation at all times that the only way to deal with how precarious it is is to almost pretend it's not precarious.”
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“That's really accurate. There's one thing we can say for sure that once you're born, at some point you're getting out of here. You know, you're checking out temporary. But the other thing about how we should be holding our lives in such a tender, close way all the time, I think that's kind of the lesson of the play Our Town by Thornton Wilders, that you can't, you know, it's kind of a corny play, but it's about a girl who kind of comes back to life and realizes how preciously she should be holding and everyone in the room should be holding each moment. But you just can't do it even after you've gotten the word about it If we lived life with the intensity of somebody who's looking at their kids after getting cancer diagnosis, we wouldn't be able to do anything.”
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“But what you ask about death, two things and how we hold life preciously, I remember like 25 years ago, do you remember when there was an Alaska Airline flight that crashed maybe off the coast of Santa Barbara? Was a big crash full of people from LA, so it was very meaningful, touched a lot of people. And the weekend edition of the LA Times after that, they had a one-pager where they went and asked different religious leaders, what meaning do you make of this? What meaning are your followers or does your faith hold for this event? And, you know, some people said there's predetermination or there's mystery or life is God has plans that we don't see. But the last one was a Buddhist. And the Buddhist said, the cause of death is birth. And I was like, oh yeah.”
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“Kindergarten rolls around. Well, they got a graduation. I'm still alive. And I made it a few more years. And I thought, I'm going to make it to elementary school graduation. And then I had my recurrence. And I thought, oh, I'm not going to get there. But I did well. I made it to elementary. The years passed. I'm like, I think I've got high school in the back. Yep. I got it to high school. And then I really thought I had made it to college. And then I had this recurrence halfway through there being in college. But I got treatment. I did well. I sat on the phone to make the very first reservation allowable for the graduation of this year at Kenyan Wonderful Kenyon College in Ohio at the Mount Vernon Grand. And then now because of COVID, you know, it's been canceled. So like in the movie version of this, I have to keep it getting canceled forever so that I can stay alive because the graduation will be the end point.”
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“Well, very helpful because it was just I've got a mission and it's not a mission about my life. It's a mission about my children's lives. And to the extent children can have their mother, they want their mother. So I just, well, I counted my life in two ways. It just so happened that they were in preschool when I was diagnosed. And there was, you know, nowadays there are all these graduate constantly graduations, but there was, so there's this, you know, sweet little preschool graduation. And everybody was just so happy and bustling and taking their pictures. And I, you know, was had no hair. I was in a headscarf. And I just remember thinking this is going to be the only graduation you're going to get.”
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“It's beyond our knowledge. I mean, it's not beyond our knowledge. It responds well. Some cancers respond well to certain kind of chemotherapies.”
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“Study? Well, there have just been times, I remember asking somebody who knew about this very early on who studies this. And I said, I just feel like I have to be so good because I'm in such a precarious situation. She said, oh no, Caitlin, I have seen the nicest people. And you probably know many very good people who died of cancer. And I'm like, well, that's really true. And then she said, trying to cheer me up. And I've known some real bitches who made it. And I'm like, okay, somewhere between total bitch. And really nice person, but maybe more to the former. It's irrelevant. It's just irrelevant. What obviously we know this, children get cancer. Who's punishing them for that? You know, what have they done? Nothing. It's just.”
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“I'll take door number two. I mean, maybe it's a zonk, but maybe, you know, maybe I'll get there. So a lot of things I've learned about cancer are like, number one, how you feel, total myth. Like, you know, if you have a good attitude, you know, you're going to do better. It's a lot of studies on that. You can be a total bitch. You can be upset. You can cry every day. It's not going to, you know, you take them. You take the chemotherapy. Sometimes it works for you. Sometimes it fails you and you have to try another one. You don't have to have a good attitude. You don't have to be right with God. You don't have to be, you know, it's nice to be nice to all your caregivers and you will be because they are so great, but you don't have to be nice to anybody. It's just the chemicals go in. There's a response. You know, I think probably there's probably more compliance with treatment in people who have a good attitude. I mean, I've never had a good attitude ever in my life. And look at me at 17 years later.”
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“And we know that it's the one that, and I've always been adamant that I'll not be in this situation, that you could be treated in such a way that made your life even worse for three months and then you die right after that. So it's kind of like this thing that can potentially, the treatment can be so horrible and it might not work. So it's really kind of a heavy thing to think about Although no bravery, I can't tell you how many times I've been told in the last 72 hours, thank you to anybody who said that to me and many times in my private life, how brave I am. Zero bravery, zero, zero bravery. Someone comes to you and they say, hey, got a choice here. You have a life-threatening disease. It can kill you in a few months, or we could try out this treatment. I'm like, I'll take the treatment. Let's roll the dice here, you know.”
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“My mother said she just thought my baby's never gonna have polio. My child's, like she just, it was like such a joyous, amazing. She couldn't wrap her mind around it because if you had been born in the 20s, you knew a lot of people, kids who had gotten polio and a lot of parents whose lives had been just completely taken to a terrible place because their kids getting polio. And so like all these other diseases seem to be falling by the wayside. And yet cancer has stayed with us for so long.”
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“But I noticed that the things that I tended to be, like whenever I would be about to take off an airplane, if I felt frightened at all, you know, it's not smoke, you're not smoking, you're not this and you're not that. Numbers are on your side. And it's just, you know, the war on cancer. Remember, Nixon had that. And it was just that all of these other diseases were sort of falling by the wayside. And my mother told me, my sister's older than I am, so she was a baby in the 1950s. And my mother said, Sitting with the baby in her lap in New York to go and get one of the first kids to get be in the cohorts that got the polio vaccine.”
2020-05-13 · Making Sense with Sam Harris · #203 — A Conversation with Caitlin Flanagan · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Yeah, I think that's a huge part of it for sure. And I think that it is, again, so deathy. And that most of the, I always felt, and I used to say beforehand, you know, just kind of looking at, you know, I always look at obituaries and you read them. And I remember thinking, yeah, the three things I notice over and over are smoking, car accidents, and cancer. I mean, it wasn't a scientific study.”
2020-05-13 · Making Sense with Sam Harris · #203 — A Conversation with Caitlin Flanagan · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“In the beginning, it was, I remember thinking that first weekend because I had the appointments Friday afternoon. And I remember the first weekend just thinking, I can't incorporate this information. I just felt like it was outside of me. And I had to somehow get it into me, you know, that it's just, you know, the cliche that this is something other people get. You know, we really, you know, Freud, we live by convincing ourselves we're invulnerable when we're very vulnerable, you know, somebody's got to get breast cancer. I couldn't take it in. I just could not take it in.”
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“But when you're living your life, that's not ever how it feels, you know? It's just you live your life with whatever, you know, whatever hand of cards you have.”
2020-05-13 · Making Sense with Sam Harris · #203 — A Conversation with Caitlin Flanagan · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I didn't like what I'd done. But the Oprah Reading Public is not a big overlap with. People who often read my, I don't know, it just was. The thing is that it's true that this is a very deathy situation. And so people who have no idea that you've been in a deathy situation obviously respond thinking you're dying. Of course, I am as we all are. But then that kind of makes you look anew at your situation. Like, oh my God, this is a really shocking, terrible situation. And then trying to resettle yourself, especially in a pandemic where you can't go and see, you can talk to them. I guess, you know, whenever someone hears about it from the outside of me and my family or people who really know us, the reaction of the people tell me, yeah, I've been through a lot in 17 years.”
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“Well, in my first book, in the very epilogue, because I wrote it after I'd had this first bout of cancer but was now back on my feet, I wrote about oh, I had other one other thing to tell you I had cancer, you know, and this is what it was like. It was just a few pages. And then a few years after that, the Oprah magazine asked me to write something about it. And I foolishly agreed and I just could and something came out that was kind of, I don't know, I didn't do a good job with that. And then I thought, oh, never again will I write about cancer. Why, what was that?”
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“Then there's like so much is layered on another even worse condition. So just telling the public to the extent that I have a public or any public of people who haven't read me at all, that I have stage four cancer in a shortish essay was going to take a lot of unpacking anyway to explain that this whole subcategory that I've been in and maybe still am in that's very good news relative to bad news and then trying to layer the COVID on over it It was just very it was like an exposure dream in a way, even though it's been a relief.”
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“So, my biggest issues really are I have from all of this treatment over all these years, I have a lot of health issues that come from the treatment, not from the cancer. And it's mostly these issues that now I've been taught before they were just my conditions, I guess, but now they're my underlying conditions. It's really bad if your worst condition becomes an underlying condition.”
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“And then my tumor numbers started going up. And sure enough, eventually a scan came about a year and a half ago or almost two years ago, well, a year and a half ago that I'm once again metastatic. So it's not good news to find out you have metastatic cancer, obviously. And it was in my spine that was really scary to me. I could just sort of see not being a person who did well in biology, but was interested in biology, I could sort of see a tumor in a soft tissue kind of disappearing. It was harder for me to think of a tumor in bone disappearing. But yeah, they do. The Lesion goes, and then the bone starts to heal. Even in someone who's like, what am I 58? And I've had all this treatment.”
2020-05-13 · Making Sense with Sam Harris · #203 — A Conversation with Caitlin Flanagan · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source