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Caitlin Moran

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“Oh, yeah, I think 35 minutes was my record, yeah, because I'm just thinking about writing, I was talking to Russell T. Davis about this a couple of weeks ago and he was like, I'm just always writing in my head. And I am always, I mean, I'm describing all of this room in my head to myself now. I'm thinking about how I would describe you. That's really, really a lot.”
2024-05-24 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Caitlin Moran One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“It's the fastest way to change things. You do need politics because you do need legislation, you do need rules and, you know, and people to enforce them. But if you want to change something overnight, culture is the quickest way to do it because culture, the job of culture essentially is to show you different kinds of culture and different kinds of futures. And then you as a viewer or a reader look at that and go, I want to be a bit like that, or I want to take a little bit of this. And that's something that politics with the best one in the world cannot do. But I've got more freedom. That's the thing. If you're an artist, that's the great cop-out. You know, I keep being asked when you go into politics. And it's like, well, no, because it's much harder and less effective.”
2024-05-24 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Caitlin Moran One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“A, yes. Look at JK Rowling. She's a billionaire in a castle and she keeps being threatened with death. And similarly, people from the pro-trans side are just, you know, mental health is suffering terribly and can't walk down the street without being threatened. So everybody's scared to be in this debate, but it's not something that just one tweet or even one chapter in a book can solve. You know, if I'm going to talk about this, I want to have gone and done all my research and known about it properly. So it will be a whole book at some point, but it can't just be a chapter and it can't just be a quote because there isn't just a simple kind of, I'm on this side or this side answer.”
2024-05-24 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Caitlin Moran One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Well, I mean, I've deliberately stayed out of the debate because, first of all, I've seen nothing being solved on social media at all, apart from huge amounts of profit flowing into every single social media platform because this issue becomes so divisive that everyone is told that they have to take a side. And then you have to endlessly argue it out. And that's not how things get done. This was the first big progressive sort of like human rights issue that happened in an entirely post-social media age. And I think it's very interesting and instructive that it's been the most divisive. I just don't think you would see this kind of polarization if everybody had just been able to sit in a room and talk about it together. So yeah, so I...”
2024-05-24 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Caitlin Moran One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Well, this is why everybody loves to listen to you interview them, because we're all just like, yeah, just admit, just admit you screwed up. We all need that moment. We need that catharsis. We all just need to cry and go, that weren't really, really badly wrong. And that would make a huge amount of difference. But this is what turns people off from politics, because no one ever has that moment where they've been kicked around the room a bit and then goes, yeah, I did screw that up. I'm really sorry”
2024-05-24 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Caitlin Moran One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I wrote a column about this for the Times a couple of years ago which got enormous traction online just going like you just need to have more apologies just like particularly it was the time of like sort of Trump being in and kind of like that rise of kind of like strong men across the world and just particularly that kind of man's inability to apologize it just it drives an electorate crazy because it's like you're being constantly gaslit it's like oh I'm not going to admit anything I did wrong we're just going to forget that and trundle on to the future”
2024-05-24 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Caitlin Moran One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“The key thing they would need to do is understand that there's just this basic programming culturally. I don't think biologically at the moment with boys that makes it really hard for them to start these kind of conversations because you put two girls together and they will immediately start talking about what makes them most anxious, what makes them the most vulnerable. There is nothing physically, emotionally, anything women will talk about these things and bond in it over 30 seconds. You put two boys together and they will not talk about, you know, if they're worried about the size of their genitals, they will, two boys will never have that conversation. If they're worried about their mental health, if they're worried about psychosis, they're worried that they're never going to get a job. They're worried that older men, they're worried that their wives earn more money than them. These things where you met deep vulnerability, where you've lost status, those are the hardest things for boys and men to talk about. And those are exactly the kind of conversations you would need to have if you wanted to start some kind of men's movement that rivaled feminism because the power of women is that we can talk about anything these days.”
2024-05-24 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Caitlin Moran One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Like, that's the dream, you know, I joke that I wrote it because if you want something done, ask a busy woman. But I so much want, you know, I've tried as much as I can to write a book about men without being a man, but I just want boys to do the same thing that girls have done over the last 10 years and gone, we need to start talking about boys in a way that's fun and warm and accessible. The template for conversations for boys needs to be more free-flowing and whimsical and funny and loving and honest and not just bance or arguments or Andrew Tate going We need to rule over women”
2024-05-24 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Caitlin Moran One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Any girl's kiss, only girl's cry. And it's usually, which I find heartbreaking, the most troubled child in that class, someone who comes from a troubled background, who's been exposed to things they shouldn't have been exposed to, who's heard this message themselves, that comes in and imposes on a class of boys this idea of what a man is. And that's the main problem with male culture. Yeah, and that's basically how patriarchy works. The angriest, most alpha boy in the room goes, this is how to be a man, and everyone else is too scared to challenge it.”
2024-05-24 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Caitlin Moran One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“19th of November. Well, the reason that I would like there to be an equalities minister for us to talk about this, and one of the reasons why I wrote the book as well, is that the reason that men get really angry about International Women's Day is because lots of stuff happens on International Women's Day. And the reason that lots of stuff happens on International Women's Day is women are really good at organizing stuff. Like we all got together and invented feminism and then we just put on all these great events and we uplift ourselves. There is an International Men's Day, but because of the way that male culture is, nothing gets organized. Because the thing about men at the moment is they're not very good at opening up to each other about their problems and then coming together to find a solution. And what I found from the research is that this is something that happens around about the age of five or six. If you talk to anybody who works in social services or education, they will tell you that before the age of six or seven, boys and girls are roughly the same. They'll all hold hands. They'll hug and kiss each other. They'll talk to each other about their problems. They'll cry. Then suddenly around about the age of six or seven it becomes gendered and you suddenly hear boys going, oh no, that's girls, only girls hug.”
2024-05-24 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Caitlin Moran One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“The first thing lots of people have jokingly gone, do you think there should be a minister and equalities minister for men as well, sort of like, ha ha, this one for women? Do you think you should have one for men? Well, yeah, because if it's equality and you've only got one for women, that's not equal, is it? And there are clearly problems with boys and men at the moment that aren't being addressed.”
2024-05-24 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Caitlin Moran One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I mean, one of his big theories as yet unproven by any major scientific or medical establishment is that after the age of 24, women are useless as partners because they've had too much dick. But if the presumption is that basically the vagina erodes with too much sex, then presumably the penis does as well. So we're all in trouble. But it doesn't happen. It's fine.”
2024-05-24 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Caitlin Moran One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“So the sweet baits that he does initially, what you see, first of all, when you go online, is that he's the only person talking about boys. And he goes, boys are great, boys are powerful, like kind of like earn some money, be a top G. This, if you earn money, it will make you attractive to women, and then all your problems are solved. He and many online misogynists, and there are many of them, there's a book by Laura Bates called Men Who Hate Women, which I will blow the skin off your eyeballs when you read it. The scale of this is vast. These men basically want to regress 50 to 100 years and go back to a point where men were in charge and women didn't go out and have jobs and they didn't have any kind of sort of financial or political power because they believe the reason that modern boys and men are unhappy is because they have lost a power, the power over women, and if they could go back and have power over women again, they would be happy. And my argument would be it's not power over women that would make you happy. You need empowerment. You need to learn the empowerment that women have through feminism. We learned how to educate ourselves. We learned how to talk to each other. We learned how to”
2024-05-24 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Caitlin Moran One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“So he's from Luton. He was on Celebrity Big Brother and then removed from Celebrity Big Brother because footage surfaced of him hitting an ex-girlfriend with a belt during some sexual play. And it became controversial. Then we fast forward a little bit. Basically, he runs a business, a sort of online university for which for an escalating series of fees, depending on what level of access you want, he will give you business advice. And he relocated to Romania, where he was then accused of sex trafficking a number of women to operate sex cams for him.”
2024-05-24 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Caitlin Moran One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Exactly, Andrew Tate. These were, sadly, that the liberal left. Dropped generation. We just took our eye off the ball for one generation. And so there was a vacuum into which people like Andrew Tate and sort of extreme online misogyny has poured because the people of my generation who just were there to talk about feminism just forgot we need to talk about the boys as well.”
2024-05-24 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Caitlin Moran One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“We haven't done that for boys, so in this last generation, if you're a 15-year-old boy, if all your memories from sort of post-2011 and this wave of feminism, you would have grown up in a world where you see basically women dominating. And the story all the time is like, women are great. Straight white men, not so much typical men, kind of men have screwed it up, toxic masculinity, the patriarchy. Of course all these things exist, but if you're a 15-year-old boy, you don't feel part of the patriarchy.”
2024-05-24 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Caitlin Moran One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I mean, there's probably a lot in that. In that, what you need to look at is what happened first, which was there was a silence and a vacuum. So around about 2010, so quick history of being a woman, Nick. All the way through the noughties in the 2010s, until the early 2010s, it was the worst time to be a woman since the post-war era. This is the era of Brittany Spears, upskirtshots, people following Amy Winehouse everywhere. The way that people wrote and talked about women was vile. It was just hateful. We were so awful to women. Then this new sort of wave of feminism came along that was much more kind of like shameless and loving and like we will talk about being women and we are going to really concentrate on feminism being the new thing. We will make sure this next generation of girls feels positive. They understand what feminism is and they feel good about themselves and they do. So many schools now have a feminist group and even if you didn't have feminist parents or a feminist group at school you can go online and find Beyonce and blogs and TV shows and we've just got this incredible self-generated industry to make girls feel good about themselves.”
2024-05-24 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Caitlin Moran One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Right when you're on 4% battery and you know you've got one call and that's it and then anything else that happens to you you cannot use that phone is dead. That's what it's like being poor. You might have one shake of the dice and then that's it and at that point you went she's not traumatized. She went oh my god four percent Then she went, Of course, I always carry a battery pack. I was like, well, yes, having rich parents is carrying a battery pack around. People who are poor don't have the battery pack. That's the difference.”
2024-05-24 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Caitlin Moran One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Yes, yes, a fiver exactly. I mean, that was, I mean, yeah, I was given five pounds and then two days later it was needed back to pay rent or a gas bill. Another birthday, I was given £5. And that year we didn't need it back for a bill, so I spent it on all the ingredients for a party and invited my friend over. I'd made my own cake. I'd bought my own biscuits. And then an hour before my mom was like, your dad doesn't want your friend to come over because you might want to have a bath. By that point, I realized he was quite sort of emotionally unwell. And sort of people weren't allowed in the house. There was one time when I was talking to a woman, I was trying to explain what to her. It was like to be poor. And she just didn't get it. I was telling you all these different stories, like, you know, when our door got kicked in, we couldn't mend it. So we just had to nail it up and climb out of a window. And she was still like, oh, well, sounds quite jolly, quite fun to climb out of a window. And in the end, the only thing that convinced her was like, you know what it's like when your phone is on 4% battery. And you know you can't charge it and you're out all day. It's like that.”
2024-05-24 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Caitlin Moran One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“That there are greatest treasure because you don't have any stuff when you're on benefits. There was nothing really in our house, but we can go to this second building where we could take out as many books as we wanted and put them into our heads. And the format of a book when you open it is like a door that you're opening and jumping into another world. And so his whole thing was like, we're rich. You know, we can have as many books as we want. We've got this council house that we're paying £10 a week rent in. You've got a garden like no one.”
2024-05-24 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Caitlin Moran One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“But he was self-taught. He was an autodidact. He was left handed. He'd had his left hand tied behind his back as a child. He'd been beaten by nuns. He was a Catholic. And so he was very much educating himself. So he was just like libraries of the thing.”
2024-05-24 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Caitlin Moran One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“He's kind of one of those sort of cultural, political, generational crossroads. So he was raised in extreme poverty, a youngest of seven kids, bombed out of like five houses during the war. His mum worked in a munitions factory. And then at the age of 15, he just had enough of living in a village and being really poor, faked his age on his passport and joined the rock and roll rush. And so formed a band and went off all around Germany following the footsteps of the Beatles. And by the time I was born, he'd been diagnosed with arthritis and was disabled and was on benefits. In a councilloration Wolf Hampton, he always thought that he was going to get another crack at the whip, sort of like musically. So we were raised. It was very, I mean, he loved only fools and horses, that whole this time next year would be millionaires was very much the story in our beer break at some stage. Yeah, he would, someone would sign him again. And so at one point I took it upon myself to learn the names of all of Bob Geldoff's children because I presume that I would be in London in next year and they would be in school with me. So it was really...”
2024-05-24 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Caitlin Moran One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“He would love to hear you say that. He will sample that. He's a musician. He will sample that and just compose a rapt track with you saying principal man in your life over and over again”
2024-05-24 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Caitlin Moran One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Yes There is a film. It's all there. Yes, and one of the most recurrent things for writers of the Times is they write in and just go, oh, I'm so glad to see that Catnam Aran mentioned once again that she was raised on benefits in a council house in Wolverhampton. So I'm aware with eight children. And I was home educated. And now.”
2024-05-24 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Caitlin Moran One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“That's a really serious problem with one half of the population, which hasn't been given a name. We're not looking at it as a systemic thing. And although there are lots of laughs in the book that I wrote about it, there are. Yes, thank you. I mean, there's the whole chapter called Cock and Balls. We get in there quite quickly. There's also a very passionate plea for young men to start wearing bigger trousers because I think post-Love Island, the tightness of young men's trousers has reached a crisis point. It's like seeing an X-ray of men's testicles as they walk down the street towards you and it can't be comfortable.”
2024-05-24 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Caitlin Moran One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“It might be good for stimulation. I managed to get through it. It focuses me. No, the thing about being serious about this is that when you look at the stats on this, they're quite shocking. Like there's a bit at the beginning of the book where I list the consequences of having taken our eye off the ball for boys for one generation. It's that boys are more likely to be medicated to school because of disruptive behavior. They're more likely to be excluded. They're less likely to go on to further education. They're more likely to be addicted to drugs, alcohol or pornography. They make up the majority of the prison population and the homeless population. The leading cause of death for men under the age of 50 is suicide and one in four men over the age of 40 say they have no close friends. Like that's”
2024-05-24 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Caitlin Moran One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Because I'm talking to you. I mean, I listened to the Today Show every morning, and I have to say, I usually listen to it while I'm doing my yoga. So listening to you means that I'm automatically relaxing my glutes and quads. So I'm in a kind of sort of pre-yogic stage.”
2024-05-24 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Caitlin Moran One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“To be feminist, I feel responsible for everything, Nick. Of course. And a mother. Yes, I'm a mother. And also I'm the eldest of eight children, so as a big sister, you just feel responsible for everybody. So, yeah, there was a sense of fairness. And also I was slightly annoyed that I hadn't noticed it earlier because having two girls, I just wasn't really aware what was happening to young men and suddenly realizing that their world was so different to girls of the same generation. I was like, no, this isn't fair. And I like fairness. I like everyone to have a fair crack of the whip.”
2024-05-24 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Caitlin Moran One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Hugely, yes. I mean, again, this is like North London kind of art college territory. These are boys with long hair who are wearing nail varnish. And, you know, who are against racism and sexism and homophobia. And yet when it comes to feminism, they just seem to think that this has given women an advantage that they don't have. And my presumption was once I did the interviews and did the research, you started writing, is that these boys were jealous because the girls have invented something, women and girls have invented something, feminism, which in the last 10 or 15 years has meant that it has never been a better time to be a woman. You can go into any bookstore and find books about 100 kick-ass girls from history. We're always running lists in newspapers about, you know, 50 women who are going to change the world. We don't have that for young boys. Just in the course of a generation, we've taken our eye off the boys and they feel angry.”
2024-05-24 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Caitlin Moran One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“You know, then these are liberal North London boys who I think we all presumed would just be feminists and suddenly they were saying things like feminism has gone too far. It's easier to be a woman than a man now. And they sounded angry. And whenever you meet a cohort of people who are angry, you tend to know that that means that they're scared underneath because anger is just fear brought to the boil. So it's like, okay, well, what scares you about the women's movement? What scares you about feminism? What do you think you don't have? And I thought, well, that's the jumping off point for a book. Like what is it about this young generation of men that means that they have turned against feminism?”
2024-05-24 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Caitlin Moran One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“The flip self-deprecating answer would be I've written about everything to do with being a woman and I kind of thought my menopause would have started a couple of years ago and I could get another book out of that but I've been persistently perimenopausal with the help of HRT so I had no female experiences to write about for midlife and I was like well let's look at the other 50% of the audience yeah just got to fill the space right literally yeah let's just go and sell to those other guys but the real reason was that my my daughters became teenagers and then in their early 20s and what I was hearing from their generation of young boys was that”
2024-05-24 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Caitlin Moran One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source