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“The more, the better. The more the better. I think there are 27 now, and you all are doing such an incredible job of kind of starting, optimizing the model and so optimizing the model. I've learned that in Japan. Good diplomatic language. So we're counting on you to inspire the whole generation around here, and we're working on it in Boston.”
2016-09-08 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 77 - Caroline Kennedy · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“In those discussions, but I think that I would take the word of my mother, my uncle Bobby, Ted Sorensen, Arthur Schlesinger. I mean, everybody, I mean, and his record in the Cuban Missile Crisis, which was to look for ways to solve problems diplomatically, peacefully. So I like to think, I hope that I'm right. I'm pretty confident that the skills that he showed in those crises would have helped us not to get involved in that tragic.”
2016-09-08 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 77 - Caroline Kennedy · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Well, I mean, as you know, there's like hundreds of books and people study this, and it's one of the great what-ifs of history. And, of course, I would think, and the people closest to him all thought that he would, you know, having served in the war, having fought in the Pacific, having traveled to Vietnam as a congressman in the early 1950s, so that's six years after the end of World War II, that he would not have escalated it because he, my mother always quoted something that I guess General MacArthur had said to him when he came to visit, which was, you know, never get involved in a land war in Asia. how difficult it would be. So had he gotten past the...”
2016-09-08 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 77 - Caroline Kennedy · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“But when you have these leaders who are willing to reach across and do something courageous, Japan and Korea are working hard to put some of their history behind them in this comfort women deal that was very controversial and took a lot of courage. So I think that that we should look at those moments more than we do and think about how we can our future is so intertwined with the entire world.”
2016-09-08 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 77 - Caroline Kennedy · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“It does inspire the world, and that's the only way we are going to solve some of these problems. And so I think the Prime Minister came here and expressed his remorse for Japan's role. President Obama just went to Hiroshima and sort of just standing there was just a powerful symbol of reconciliation.”
2016-09-08 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 77 - Caroline Kennedy · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Well, last year was the 70th anniversary of the end of World War II. And so I think that the whole year was a series of commemorative ceremonies about the U.S.-Japan alliance and how we have transformed into these great partners. And this is an ancient history there. I met the widow of the destroyer captain who sank my father's PT boat. Wow. It was really just an incredible, I mean, World War II for kids today is really ancient history. And just as the 1960s often are. And this was really there she was, this older old lady in the wheelchair. But my father corresponded with the crew of that destroyer even in the 1950s. And so I think this tradition of reconciliation that we have as Americans is something that we should really be proud of.”
2016-09-08 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 77 - Caroline Kennedy · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“That are very, very deep and that have helped to create the life that we live here, even though it seems very disconnected. And so that's something that if you look ahead, TPP, while it sounds just about economics, it has a very, very important and much larger impact.”
2016-09-08 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 77 - Caroline Kennedy · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Well, I think for him it was really a very American who goes there, you really come away changed and you really feel the power of that place and it makes you actually leave with a sense of like I need to work as hard as I can so that this nothing like this ever happens again in a kind of a tangible way that I certainly was never expecting and I think I mean he's obviously committed a lot of his time and effort to those issues but the nation of Japan is still just so overwhelmingly grateful and emotionally appreciative in a really deep and profound way for his effort to come there and to recognize what they experienced and so I think that we have ties there”
2016-09-08 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 77 - Caroline Kennedy · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I don't think that's well understood. Countries in the region are looking to both the US and China, and they, I mean, you saw the president's trip to Vietnam. Two and a half million people showed up to greet him, and there was this overwhelming welcome that he received in a country that we were at war with. Same with Japan. He went to Hiroshima, and the entire nation.”
2016-09-08 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 77 - Caroline Kennedy · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Well, I think the campaign rhetoric has obscured some of the larger issues which are really part of this, which is that while we need to support people who have been dislocated, and that's always been true of these trade agreements and provide training and figure out ways for them to succeed, there's also a lot of positives here. As I said, there's a lot of opportunity for us to export. The more intangible but very real creation and perpetuation of stability in Asia is actually going to redound, maybe doesn't feel like it in our daily lives, but we are raising environmental. I mean, it has a huge environmental impact. We're raising labor standards in the world, which will make it more even. And I think in a national security way, even people who don't realize it here have benefited from the stability in Asia.”
2016-09-08 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 77 - Caroline Kennedy · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“And that has happened, and that's not right to let that happen without supporting the people who are being displaced. But at the same time, these are huge markets for us. And I think we do ship over there incredible amounts of, I mean, whether it's advanced manufacturing, whether it's, you know, we have partnerships where planes are built both here and there. There's a lot of agricultural exports. So it's an incredibly complex, interwoven economy. And so the question is, how do you and where can you create opportunity both here and there? But there's definitely a lot more opportunity for Americans to export there.”
2016-09-08 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 77 - Caroline Kennedy · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Well, it's coming from New York and really having spent my time focused on domestic issues to be in Japan, which is really our strongest ally in Asia at a time when everybody is realizing that Asia is going to be where the 21st century happens has really been an incredible experience. And I think the main thing that struck me is how little attention in a way that we pay and how From what I can tell during this campaign, as something that we need to wall ourselves off from, but in fact it's really the opposite. Everyone, there's incredible opportunity. There's so much business over there. There is so much potential and desire for American involvement.”
2016-09-08 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 77 - Caroline Kennedy · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Yeah, and then demands on teachers and what we really expect of them and how hard that job is and how we can support them better as well as just after school programs and how do you and then being in Japan really seeing what this world is that these kids are going to have to are entering and what do they need to be prepared for that it's coming at it from a different angle.”
2016-09-08 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 77 - Caroline Kennedy · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Volunteers in the schools, but also some of the kind of newer models of transfer schools and charter schools, public charter schools. So it was a really, I think, a great time of a lot of different innovative ideas being experimented with, some of which have really made a difference, like small schools, breaking down some of the larger schools. So it's something that I've stayed involved with, and I look forward to working on when I come back from Japan.”
2016-09-08 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 77 - Caroline Kennedy · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“So it was really school reform writ large, and Mike Bloomberg had just been elected mayor and had made it his priority. And I think that obviously Urban inner city education and disadvantaged communities has really just something that is a national, really disgrace. And I think a long-term national security or economic issue for this country. And so really it's about the future and how are we going to give the kind of opportunity and skills that kids need. And so there was a huge effort both citywide and individual schools and obviously arts education is one that the private sector can support. And so we set about to try to do different, raise money for different kinds of innovations as well as individual programs like arts and libraries and sort of volunteer increased.”
2016-09-08 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 77 - Caroline Kennedy · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Well, after 9 11, I think everybody thought, especially in New York City, what can I do? There was this tremendous sense of community and of being part of this incredible city and that had been obviously attacked. And so I think for me, raising three kids who were in middle school at the time and having had this incredible opportunity for this great education and realizing how important it had been to really in my family, that was really the area where I thought that I could make a contribution or had something to add.”
2016-09-08 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 77 - Caroline Kennedy · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Well, I think, yeah, and I think because that was very public, I more heard from people who had gone through something similar and just felt it again. I think that's one of the other things you feel like you tend to feel isolated by what you really feel is a deep connection to other people who have suffered or are suffering struggling, whatever. And I think that's really the thing that then after you come through those hard times, you feel like is there any way that I can pass this on or help other people because it makes such a difference when you're in that tough time?”
2016-09-08 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 77 - Caroline Kennedy · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Well, you've learned that. Yeah, but I think also for people who are trying to, you know, there are so many people balancing things that are just almost unfathomable and doing it with incredible courage. And so I think that's a good idea.”
2016-09-08 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 77 - Caroline Kennedy · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Right. Right, and I think you do, I mean, I certainly do tremendous strength and inspiration from the older people in my family who had gone on. And I think the most important thing is for people to feel that they're not alone. And there always is somebody who you can turn to or who's had an even more difficult time when you feel like you're having a hard time or couldn't get much worse. First of all, it can get worse. So there's always something”
2016-09-08 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 77 - Caroline Kennedy · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Well, at the same time, I wanted to find a way to use the education that I had, and a partner and I came up with the book ideas. And so it gave me a chance to continue working, but to... Tremendous amount of things that were still in the archive from the White House era, et cetera. And so I felt that it was, I really, it was my responsibility to organize all that. And that was a really actually almost a full-time job. So that was really, and I got to stay around my house with my kids. And I think having lost her and then my brother, I really wanted to do that, and I felt like it was important for not just for them, but really for me.”
2016-09-08 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 77 - Caroline Kennedy · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Well, I got a lot of reports, and when I come home, it's like unbelievable. But I think if you look at it from far away, I think a lot of people are around the world are looking to this process and have some questions about it. But at the same time, they can't believe the kind of debate, the kind of ability that we have to engage in that debate. That would be the best way of describing it.”
2016-09-08 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 77 - Caroline Kennedy · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“And seeing how hard it is for younger people in other countries to get involved in their political system. I think it's something that's really unique and incredible about our country and certainly about when somebody like President Obama comes along. It brings in a whole new generation and that's what we need to keep becoming the country that we want to be.”
2016-09-08 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 77 - Caroline Kennedy · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Well, I think there were a few things, but I think that was really the point, again, was that these are real life. These things have real life impact, these lofty principles. And I think one of the women said something that I always remembered. She was a longtime community activist in Washington, D.C. who had been targeted by the FBI and harassed because she was white. Her husband was black, but they were very involved in the anti-war movement and civil rights movement. And she said that it's up to us to create the kind of government that's close to your heart's desire because if you don't do it, somebody else will. And so it really is sort of a personal obligation that we all have to get engaged and involved. And I think having living overseas now.”
2016-09-08 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 77 - Caroline Kennedy · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Well, it was a Fourth Amendment case where the police were strip searching people for minor violations. So it's something that's been these issues never really go away and it's something that has come back with too much frequency and not well implemented.”
2016-09-08 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 77 - Caroline Kennedy · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Culture and heritage, as well as sort of the framework in which we're all operating. So it was a good decision for me. I'd never practiced law, but I did write to this on the Constitution.”
2016-09-08 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 77 - Caroline Kennedy · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“That to me, how does that too often in government or politics people only look at the regulatory or the legal side? And I remember Secretary Carey saying to us that to my son, you really ought to study religion, you really ought to study myth, you ought to study art, you ought to study humanities if you really want to understand the world and what makes the conflicts happen and what makes people care about. And I think that, so I think that my early time working in a museum really actually gave me a much better understanding of cultures, of pebles. And I think the main challenge that we have today is how do we all get along and solve the problems of this globalized world or in New York City, a multicultural diverse society? And I think you need both an understanding of people.”
2016-09-08 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 77 - Caroline Kennedy · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I went to law school because I really, everyone I knew went to law school and I really was working in a museum. And I think that surprisingly, both of those things complement each other. And I think has helped me understand sort of what's important, both the human side of it as well as the kind of legal and intellectual side.”
2016-09-08 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 77 - Caroline Kennedy · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Really, do get a sense of who they are, even if you're not in the room while they're making this sort of most critical decisions. And I think his commitment and internationalism is certainly, and his judgment, is something that's come through a multiple tough decisions that he's made.”
2016-09-08 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 77 - Caroline Kennedy · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Well, you would know better because I haven't been in sort of those kinds of. You're an ambassador of coming out round. But yes, I think so. And obviously around the world, and I can speak to that really just currently. President Obama's elevated the stature of the U.S. and is really an international president. And I think that was one of the great contributions that my father made too. It was kind of a coming of age of the US and television and all those things together in a historical moment. And I think that President Obama has done the same thing again for storing our position, credibility, the idea that millions of people around the world still do look to the United States as the indispensable nation. And so that comes, I think, when you, people are tested by the presidency.”
2016-09-08 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 77 - Caroline Kennedy · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Wanted to put ourselves out there and help as much as we could to the extent that that would influence other people. And what a spectacular job he's done and how proud we are proud we are of ourselves for recognition. Congratulations. Yeah, being part of something so incredible and really historic.”
2016-09-08 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 77 - Caroline Kennedy · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Well, it's funny because when we were involved in that process of endorsement, and it was such an interesting multi-generational conversation because my uncle Teddy was part of it and my kids were part of it. And I think that is really what President Obama was able to do. And I think my father was able to do generations earlier was to bring people into the process that would stay in the process of then families of leadership was his. And so I thought that the headline was really cheesy president like my father. I thought it cheap and really both of them, but underneath it all, my kids and I were talking just this summer about we really did believe in him. We really put him in him.”
2016-09-08 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 77 - Caroline Kennedy · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“In the pigs, and I think having served in the war in the Pacific. And so I think just his leadership is something obviously that I'm, you know, as his child incredibly proud of. And I think some of those qualities obviously are things that I've grown up valuing. And so when President Obama came along, it was something that we all thought was here was somebody who could be that kind of leader, who had the analytic ability, the intellectual depth, the humanity, the steadiness, the temperament, the judgment to approach whatever came his way with the same kind of”
2016-09-08 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 77 - Caroline Kennedy · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“None of that was new to me when I was doing it, so I can't really, it's not the same as if I read about President Obama making a decision. And so, but I think the sense that you're in there, and these people are just making decisions and that you as a younger person or a reader could be one of those people, I think, is the point. Nobody knows how it's going to turn out. So obviously with the Cuban Missile Crisis, I think, you know, as many, many books and all have said, he really guided that, and I think he was motivated by a real skepticism of the military.”
2016-09-08 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 77 - Caroline Kennedy · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Well, I think my goal really was, I think, to make history accessible and to show people that it's not clear when you're in the middle of it and that that's what makes it so much more interesting than when you're just learning how it all happened with the value of hindsight. And I think that both the tapes my mother and my father, both of them had a real interest in history and in the people who made it. And I think the idea that they were people who were making history was something that they really, you know, Both of them were incredibly patriotic, and that was really a thrilling, I think, accomplishment.”
2016-09-08 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 77 - Caroline Kennedy · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Want to watch what they are? I think I was a sophomore in college, so it was, I don't know, just one thing bludgeoned to another, something else came along. But I think the books that I worked on after really were primarily journalistic. So I could see not every day maybe, but writing and thinking are obviously something that I do a lot.”
2016-09-08 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 77 - Caroline Kennedy · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Yeah, it was. So I got to go out a couple of times on things then. But it was, yeah, I learned a ton and it was a great experience”
2016-09-08 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 77 - Caroline Kennedy · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Oh, I see. I don't even remember that. But I did, it was a great summer to be in Internet the Daily News, a copy boy, excuse me at the Daily News. So there was a lot going on in New York City politics. It was a blackout. The son of Sam was happening. So I got to do a lot of real city stuff, and that was great. And I loved it.”
2016-09-08 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 77 - Caroline Kennedy · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Yeah, she, well, I don't think it's how they met, but he did appear in her column in the inquiring photographer column. But I think if you grow up around the issues and people who are talking about politics and what's going on in the world, certainly there's you embody a really close connection between politics and journalism. And I think I never saw politics really as something for me, but I think I was always interested in the issue. But then I thought that actually it wasn't really, it was hard for me, so I thought, I mean, I like to write and I thought the books was a better way to go.”
2016-09-08 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 77 - Caroline Kennedy · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“And some very close friends, and I think really was understood and felt very, you know, was embedded in our extended family. So I think I got the best of all of that. I was part of my family was just me, my mother, and my brother. But we had this incredible extended family that was just a source of fun and loyalty, and I think protected all of us from some of the outside pressures, even though there were a lot of pressures within the family of all these kids trying to grow up at once.”
2016-09-08 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 77 - Caroline Kennedy · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Well, I think I was really lucky because I think the adults in my family really taught by example and they were always a lot of fun. So it wasn't as if she sat us down and gave us lectures. It was just the way she behaved, you know, the way she lived her own life. I think she was very determined to, or not determined, but she just was the kind of person that had strong interests, strong values. you know, realized the need to build a life for herself and her children.”
2016-09-08 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 77 - Caroline Kennedy · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Yeah, you couldn't really fool her. She had a great sense of humor, and I think she was very observant about people, and I think that's obviously one of the things that gets you through tough times. And she was, I think, you know. Obviously, I think an incredibly protective and devoted mother, and I think she really had a strong sense of what was important in raising children and protecting us. And so I admire that.”
2016-09-08 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 77 - Caroline Kennedy · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“A series of six or seven interviews Arthur Schlesinger and People around my father had came up with this. I think it was a new, fairly new idea then, quite common now, of really capturing people's impressions while they were fresh as really being an important part of historical record. So she agreed to tape her recollections of life in the White House. Shortly after she moved out, after my father's death, and as long as they were sealed for 50 years or for her lifetime. And so on the 50th anniversary of his death, we decided. The interviews, I think, really kind of add a depth to her image because she never did any other interviews, which is kind of hard to imagine in this day and age that the First Lady, I mean, she did some as First Lady, but they were very kind of professional, I would say.”
2016-09-08 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 77 - Caroline Kennedy · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Intellectual gifts as well as her very strong sense of self gave her the strength to. Navigate the life that she had, which she, I think her time in the White House was something that she was incredibly proud of. I think it's to her great. I mean, I really admire the way that she built a new life for herself around us and then later. Working. She really had a serious career as an editor”
2016-09-08 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 77 - Caroline Kennedy · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Well, I think one of the things that always struck me and when I listened to those tapes that came back so powerfully was Her image is so familiar to people. And like you say, she's an iconic. Figure both as First Lady and then as sort of Jackie O. Of really what was the celebrity age. But I think She was someone who read constantly, who was intellectually incredibly curious and I think a real partner for my father in that way, who had a deep Knowledge and love of history, and I think That was something that she really shared. She obviously, I mean, I think if you're a parent and you really enjoy something, you do it with your children, you know, they usually enjoy it too. And so for her, that was reading that was going to museums, that was being outdoors. But so I think that she was a much more, and I think that that”
2016-09-08 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 77 - Caroline Kennedy · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Well, I do remember a lot of some of the special stories that he told me, the badtime stories and things like that. But I think for me, really, it was he lived on so powerfully in other people. And so it all sort of blurred in a way during my childhood and growing up. And I did have so many Extended family members who really kind of carried on that. And people really spoke all the time to me about him. So I think it's always been hard to remember. The distinct things, but I do have visual images of him getting dressed in the morning or things that I know that I was the only one to see or the bedtime stories, as I said. And so those I know are mine, and then a lot of other things are sort of composite pictures of our entire life.”
2016-09-08 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 77 - Caroline Kennedy · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“And he actually, when I first visited him in the office, he got down there to look at the special hiding place. So it was really a great moment for me.”
2016-09-08 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 77 - Caroline Kennedy · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Exactly, except for it bit everyone. Then it disappeared I remember a lot of things like that. I don't remember high level diplomacy, but I do remember crawling under the desk, and I discovered that, and that was my special hiding place.”
2016-09-08 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 77 - Caroline Kennedy · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“We had everything we had. But he was allergic and my brother was allergic, so we couldn't have, so a lot of them weren't, you know, I didn't get to sleep with all my animals. They were around. We had the puppy of the Dog that went into space that my mother had sat next to Khrushchev once and was asking all about this dog and then he sent her a puppy. Father went crazy. It's like, you know, what do you think you're doing? You can't have a Khrushchev is just using you. And the dog used to”
2016-09-08 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 77 - Caroline Kennedy · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“President in about six when we left. And so my memories of what was important to me. And so I had hamsters and they escaped. I've been back to the White House since. I remember really vividly when I get out of the elevator. Exactly where they all were. And I remember going over and getting candy in the office. Visiting my father That was always a big”
2016-09-08 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 77 - Caroline Kennedy · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source