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Catherine Ashton

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  1. Absolutely right. I called the book and then what? This is not an advert for the book. Well, it is, but there we go. But it was called that because...

    2023-09-10 · The Rest Is Politics: Leading · 35. Cathy Ashton: Dealing with Putin and Lavrov, Kosovo–Serbia, and 'radical humility' · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source

  2. Somebody didn't have a depth of experience that couldn't actually say, well, these are the issues I think we need to be thinking about. So we had an awful lot of people. And I always said it was never me on my own. It wasn't me as a high representative or HRVP, as people used to call me. It was actually 28 foreign ministers and me. It was 28 leaders of the EU. It was 28 development ministers. It was countries with all of the resources that they had coming together. I mean, modest.

    2023-09-10 · The Rest Is Politics: Leading · 35. Cathy Ashton: Dealing with Putin and Lavrov, Kosovo–Serbia, and 'radical humility' · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source

  3. And one of the great things I had was 27, then 28 when Croatia joined, and obviously before we left countries, their ministers, their ambassadors, their policy people. So I had this extraordinary depth and breadth of information and knowledge about the world. There wasn't anywhere on Earth that when we sat around Foreign Affairs Council, which I chaired, as you know,

    2023-09-10 · The Rest Is Politics: Leading · 35. Cathy Ashton: Dealing with Putin and Lavrov, Kosovo–Serbia, and 'radical humility' · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source

  4. And I sometimes wonder whether the problem isn't that we pretend in books and movies normally that you sort of effortlessly get into those jobs. And the president of the United States is sort of micromanaging everything that happens in the country. But the truth is, it doesn't matter whether you're the sexual state for health dealing with a million people in the health service or Britain or whether you're doing your job. These jobs are basically impossible. I mean, you're being set up to feel continually inadequate. I mean, it's never possible for anyone to know enough, have enough expertise, have enough time to do them in the way that you might expect. So I always rail a bit against the word impossible, Rory, and the reason is that it might be impossible, but we all do them.

    2023-09-10 · The Rest Is Politics: Leading · 35. Cathy Ashton: Dealing with Putin and Lavrov, Kosovo–Serbia, and 'radical humility' · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source

  5. A sense of the crazy scale and challenge of these jobs. I mean, you were responsible for thousands, maybe even tens of thousands of civil servants. You're connecting with more than 20 countries within the EU. You're connecting with, I think you visited nearly 100 countries, we're engaged with certainly 100 countries.

    2023-09-10 · The Rest Is Politics: Leading · 35. Cathy Ashton: Dealing with Putin and Lavrov, Kosovo–Serbia, and 'radical humility' · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source

  6. Not meant to be bleak, it's meant to be real. You know, I wrote that introduction in one go. As you know, it begins with me talking about me a little girl with a blue pencil case and how I wrote my name address. I came from a Polland Wigan, Lancashire, Britain, the world, and so on, to kind of get across the idea that we're all connected in some way. But I wanted to make it clear that The work that people do in trying to help the world get better and Rory will, I hope, find this resonates with his own experiences is really difficult. And it's never enough and it's always the next challenge. It's always the crisis you're trying to deal with. Cathy, thank you. I mean, one of the things that strikes me right off the beginning with that quote and your reflections is

    2023-09-10 · The Rest Is Politics: Leading · 35. Cathy Ashton: Dealing with Putin and Lavrov, Kosovo–Serbia, and 'radical humility' · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source

  7. Wonderful to be on this podcast with YouTube, I have to say at the beginning. And thank you for inviting me. I don't know whether I've gone through my life being underestimated. What I am conscious of is that a number of the things that I've done I've not applied for, I've not lobbied for, I've not even suggested that I could or should do, but somehow found myself doing. And a few people have said to me over that time that it's interesting because in a sense it allows you the freedom, I suppose, to say, I will do my best. And if it doesn't work, then I will step aside. So perhaps that's what I should be better known for rather than being underestimated

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