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  1. “Oh, the schizophrenia has already come. You guys are all figments of my imagination anyway. Now, one of my goals, though, I love catfish, and they live a long time. They get really damn big if you see this guy. I'd love to catch one now and be in my 60s and catch the same fish twice. Recognize it. Maybe I'll lift a scar or something. That'd be really cool. Going back to the fish thing, you know. Because both the fish has gone through a lot, I've gone through a lot. We can just be like whole”

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  2. “Among the vices, they'd probably get along really well. And then I have to learn all these cool things about William Ammoth. Like, you know, do you shave him in the summertime and let him get shaggy during the winter or do you just let that coke go and then falls? Who knows? It's an undiscovered country.”

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  3. “Everybody has those white whales. Another thing I love to do is bring back the woolly mammoth. You know, that's George Church's hidden pleasure. In five to ten years, it's actually going to happen. And I have this beautiful ranch in Wyoming, and I got to find a way to convince George to let me raise his clone mammoths on my ranch. Among the bike.”

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  4. “Oh, God, yeah, of course I do. You never lose that. You never lose it. You lose the ability to do deep work and you don't have the creativity and the raw inspiration. This is why I've gotten to automated theorem proving, because what I lack because I'm getting older, I can now have computers understand it and use AI to just solve this stuff. It's like the cheat codes for math, you know. So fuck those guys. We'll still do that. But yeah, mathematics still has those last passions. And there's all kinds of cool things that I'd like to see done. Like quota complexes allow you to unify topology and number theory in really novel ways. And there are all kinds of cool things, but who cares?”

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  5. “And then the highest pursuit of life is the ability to share that mindset with other people and give it to them somehow. And that's really hard, you know, because everybody comes, they're always yeore. Oh, doom and gloom and cynical but this and that. And reputation this and that. You have to somehow transcend all of it and say, you know, that doesn't matter. Look at the cherry blossoms. Aren't they beautiful today? And let's find a better one tomorrow.”

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  6. “Thing a human can get to a meaning. You're a blip. You didn't exist. You're dead. And if you compare it to the size of the universe in that time, it's just a little blip. So all you can do with what you have is just find meaning in the things that you do on a daily basis. And you can't predict the macro. We have all this wealth and power in America. What if a world war breaks out? We could be destitute like Walmart Germany. And so you could be a big guy. You could be now living on the street side. Would you be miserable? The point of life is getting to a point that no matter what comes your way, what misfortune comes your way, you're in a position where you can find and modicum of happiness and love and empathy for others in that moment.”

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  7. “And so she goes over to try to rouse him, and he's dead. And in his hands is a wilted cherry blossom. It's a very Japanese story, right? The point is that it's not the actual blossom finding the perfection that matters. It's the things you do on a day-to-day basis, the places you go, the people you meet, the experiences you have, and the joy you take and the things that you do here in the moment now. You have to get there. You know, if you look at Jiro Dreams of Sushi, there's this guy, 70 years of his life making the same damn piece of sushi again and again and again. He's the happiest guy around. Albert Camus and his story of Sisyphus. Sisyphus should be miserable. It's the Greek curse. No, he's happy. He has total clarity of purpose. And every day he gets to basically roll that stone just a little bit better than the day before, a different way than the day before. And it's not the destination. It isn't getting the stone up to the top of the hill that matters. It's the fact that the act you find that joy and that act, that Ikigai, that way of life, that purpose of life, that I think is the closest.”

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  8. “No, no, no, it's from Japan. I used to live in Japan. I live in Osaka next to Namba. Beautiful area. It's like if you're going to live anywhere in Japan, live in Osaka and you live anywhere in Osaka, live next to the restaurant district at 4 o'clock in the morning and get good ramen. These are the things in life that make you who you are. So there is a shogun and he was kind of a badass. He was really good at killing people, really good at running his empire. And then he got a bit disgruntled in his late 40s. And he said, you know, I'm just going to give it all to my son and I'm going to wander around Japan until I find the perfect cherry blossom. That's what I'm going to do. Everybody thought he went crazy. He said, oh, no, no, that's what I'm going to do. And he took his whole entourage with him. And so his son is now the shogun. And then he's just wandering throughout Japan and having all these incredible, crazy adventures as he's wandering throughout Japan. Fighting bandits and loving beautiful women and so forth. And then 30 years later, he's passing these two geisha gals. And one of them turns around and they notice them slumped over next to a cherry tree.”

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  9. “Ever forget that Feynman. Make sure that you mentor people, you give back and you learn how to learn and you learn how to teach. Super important for your development as a person. Now you'll notice all those things are agnostic to whatever domain you happen to have chosen. You can be in medicine or law or technology, whatever, that's your fancy, whatever your passion happens to be. And don't conflate your earning in your career. People try to keep putting these things together. They're increasingly becoming decoupled. There's a lot of cases where people do their passions and they do it for free or for sustenance, but then they have something else they do on the side to also augment or supplement their income. It's probably best that way. When you conflate the two, you tend to get burnt out terribly. You see this a lot with musicians or other people. They just want to make music, but they have to tour or whatever because they've got to pay bills.”

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  10. “Learn how to give back, volunteerism, charity, mentoring, these types of things. Those are so incredibly valuable to a person's development. The people that you mentored in the academic world you learn is you have graduate students. They one day will be professors. And it might just so happen they might eclipse you. Remember, Gauss had a doctoral advisor.”

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  11. “Yeah, there's a lot of little techniques that you can pick up along the way. And basically, they teach you how to process lots of information very quickly, retain it, and then decide what's useful to you for that moment. The second thing is do not undervalue EQ, emotional intelligence. We've lived for a long time in a society where IQ was dominant. It's like how smart you are excuses everything else. You can be a horrible human being, but he's a really bright guy, right? The asshole, mathematician, or physicist. We now live in a world where the balance is far more important. You have to be smart, but you also have to be a nice guy and don't undervalue that. So learn things like closed circuit communication and active listening. These skill sets will always pay enormous dividends along the way. Third, remember that you're judged for the things that you have and what you do with those things. If you have very little, you still have to do something when you have a lot, you have to do even more. So learn how to give and do that early on.”

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  12. “Well, we no longer live in a world where you get one skill set, you do it for 40 years and retire. I mean, that ship has sailed a long time ago. So learn how to learn and learn an appreciation and love for learning. So that's the first thing. You know, Josh Waitskins wrote this beautiful book, The Art of Learning, if you ever read it. Stuff like that. So good study skills, you know, slipbox notes, these things, what was it? Zettle Kasten or whatever”

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  13. “And the question is well, how good of a story can you tell? Well, you're constrained by your storytelling tools and technology. The fact that games are so much more advanced now means that you now have many more dimensions of storytelling available to you. And actually with AI now coming in and really good AI coming in the next five or ten years, your storytelling is not static anymore. The person can actually majorly participate and change the outcome in ways that were previously unpredictable. The other thing is they're still educational. You can teach people concepts that they never knew before. And it's like, if you want to teach people about bizarre geometries or like Minecraft is a great example, a lot of people learned how computers work from Redstone. Think about that. It's true.”

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  14. “I think you can enhance these games because your storytelling medium is so much more engaging. You know, I was at the movie theater before COVID, and the person to the left of me was looking at their cell phone during the movie, and the person to the right of me was looking at their cell phone. They're just not engaged anymore. Everybody is attention starved. And the video game is one of the last mediums where you have undivided attention of people. They're really into it, man. They're all into that thing. And so I think the fact that you have VR and AR and enhanced graphics and all these new gameplay mechanics, it's a value add instead of a value negative. Because ultimately, what are you doing? You're telling stories and you're trying to connect people to something. Maybe it's the nature of life and death or are we truly real or are we in a simulation or not or something like it would be great to do 13th floors?”

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  15. “Or not, so it's an incredible game plane skate torment. And it's actually another one of those games where you can never actually have a fight. You can just kind of talk your way out of everything. And there's probably like a thousand pages of dialogue inside the game. Those guys have a lot of fun and a lot of drugs making that game.”

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  16. “Yeah, it's another one on the Infinity Engine, which was what was used for Baldar's Gate. So it looks like Baldar's Gate. And God, that was such an incredibly well-written game. You play this character called The Nameless One, this little blue guy, and you wake up in a morgue. And it turns out that you're immortal. And every time you die, you lose all your memories. And so you've just been apparently living this life for a very long time. And you meet all these people in this crazy city called Sigil who know you, but you don't know yourself. And you're trying to figure out your name, your identity. And why do you have this curse where you live forever, but you keep forgetting every time you get killed? And it turns out you weren't such a nice person throughout this entire game world. But then again, there's this question of, well, if you can start over and you lose all your memories, do you have a chance for redemption?”

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  17. “Yeah, and then you're just like, by the way, you're wrong, and here's why. And he's like, Oh, yeah, you got a point. I'm just going to kill myself. And I was like, wow, this is great. Planescape torment is the other one, I think, is probably the greatest. Was it”

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  18. “Kind of like the fallout look. And so it doesn't hold up super well today, but that was never the point. It was more of a story-driven game. But it was one of the very few games where at the very end of the game, you can actually talk the villain into killing himself instead of fighting you. And you had to really work at it. You had to become a master of persuasion and get your charisma score maxed out and learn all this stuff along the way. And you have this philosophical debate over the nature of life and death with him.”

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  19. “So forth. And they've all been impacted by the proliferation of technology in different ways. Like the humans use steam engines to clear cut all the forest and it caused a lot of problems. The dwarves leaked that technology to the humans. And so they kind of got exiled for it and so forth. And you have to decide where do you fit all this. And you have a lot of choices as a player. You can be on the magic side, the technology side, kind of be neutral. And there's like 40 different endings for the game. It's just incredible. And this is all like 2000. And then you talk about a procedurally generated world. You have a quick travel, but if you want, you can just walk and the world randomly generates. But it's not like Daggerfall where there was interesting things along the way. So it was really ahead of its time. And it was kind of the last of a generation of games. It was based on the same framework that Interplay used for Fallout. The original Fallout and Fallout 2. So that was really a cool step.”

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  20. “Yeah, Boulder's Gate is definitely in the top three. Arcanum is my favorite game. Arcanum was Troika Games was just this amazing studio where they took the time to build probably the most compelling game worlds. In the case of Arcanum, it takes place in kind of like a 19th century Victorian England play, so steampunk. But then there's also magic inside this game world. And there's this crazy juxtaposition between magic and technology. And the more technology you have, magic stops working. The more magic you have, it disrupts technology. So all the people on the magic side hate the technology people and vice versa. And so you're just this character in this game world, and you're just trying to figure out where do you fit. And it has this incredible plot where you're kind of just a stowaway on a Zeppelin that gets shot down. And you get dragged into this conspiracy. And you have to kind of figure out the conspiracy as you go through the whole game world. And you meet all these different races like the Elves and the Dwarves.”

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  21. “Jeremy Soul, I think, was the composer. It was great. And actually getting like Raman Jawadi or Bear McCreedy in to do that would be so cool.”

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  22. “Well, we might have to do a spiritual successor, right? It might have to happen with Legends of Valor. You never know. But it's a passion project, so I have no time for it at all. It's like so low on my list of things to do. So I'll probably do in 2022, 2023, and we'll build a nice crew and we'll do it in Wyoming, probably in Wheatland or some really small town, and we'll import everybody. And then we'll have to build the whole city up like Elon is doing here in Texas. It'll be a fun project.”

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  23. “I'm going to try to do some of the old and some of the new and bring it in. So that'll be a lot of fun. And what's nice about it is that there is a lot of new play in the market because of the Microsoft acquisition of Bethesda. They've been losing employees like crazy and there's a lot of belief that Elder Scroll 6 will not live up to expectations because Microsoft will kill it.”

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  24. “So, what if you could connect the music to the state of the game world and automatically through some process will generate music? And there's actually people who study this. And so that's one dimension. The other thing is you have things like GPT-3 and so forth. There was a great game event zero. And it came out like 2016 where you could actually have a dialogue with an AI and you're like a marooned astronaut on a space station that's a And you can do down the Euclidean geometry as well and bring those elements into a game design. And that's what we'll do as Legends of Ellars. It'll be kind of like Skyrim, but with a lot of really cool new shit. It's got like I saw Aerosmith years ago and he was out there. He's like, do you like the old shit? Do you like new shit? Kind of middle shit.”

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  25. “Oh yeah, the enhanced edition was great. They should have never just done thrown a ball. They should have done an actual proper sequel and gone down that whole road. But anyway, I got the idea there. I said, well, take some old piece of IP, and then you can kind of retrofit it and clean it up. And what's nice about Legends of Outlaw is it's a blank slate. You can do your own Elder Scrolls. You can create your own class system and level system and so forth. You could write some beautiful, exciting, fun narratives for that. And also, it gives me a chance to explore a lot of things I think should be dragged into game development, like algorithmically generated music is one example. The problem with sound games, as you mentioned, you play lots and lots of hours, but your sound content is much smaller. So you have tons of repetition in the soundtrack.”

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  26. “Well, I mean, there's really nothing about it that's super compelling today. I mean, there's a nostalgia of youth that's there, but I mean, it doesn't even have a class system, a level system, the combat system is terrible. There's no journal. The magic system is terrible and so forth. And so I just wanted to start somewhere. And I felt like that would be an incredibly fun overhaul project. I kind of got the idea from Beamdog Studios when they did another one of my favorite games. Remember Baldar's Gate? Yeah, they did”

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  27. “Yeah. I had a copy of Daggerfall when I was a kid, but it had a bug in it. So when you left the dungeon, it would crash. And this was before he can get an easy patch for it. So I never actually played Daggerfall. I entered in through Morrowind.”

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  28. “I forget the name. The guy was it Todd Something at Bethesda. He was played it. He was inspired by it. And then he created Arena right after playing it.”

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  29. “Do you like Skyrim? Skyrim was great, too. Like the Elder Scrolls. I actually bought the game that the Elder Scrolls was based on. Do you know that? So way back in the day, the Elder Scrolls series was inspired by a game called Legends of Valor that I played when I was a little kid. And it doesn't actually have an ending. They ran out of money before they finished it, so they just kind of like put this little thing on and said, okay, but you never finish it. So I actually bought all the intellectual property for the camp.”

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  30. “And then over time, he starts asking questions well, how do we know it's secure? Then we can talk about proof of work or proof of stake or these types of things. Well, so this is how it stays secure if you're really interested. And there's an incentive to have the attention span necessary to do the homework, eat the broccoli, and get over that hill.”

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  31. “Juncture. So NFTs. We could talk about this concept of perpetual royalties. So, for example, let's say that you create a piece of art. You can build into the token itself a perpetual royalty to something you care about. Maybe every time it sells, it pays it back to you. Or maybe every time it sells, it donates to some clean water charity or something like that. The point is that the actual acquisition of the NFT requires adherence to that smart contract. So people can't deviate from your desire even after you die. So stuff from Andy Warhol or from Picasso, that can still be generating some donation every time a Picasso sells to something else. You can do that with NFTs. NC starts thinking, God, what else can I do? I do shows maybe I can do my tickets with these types of things. Maybe I can do loyalty points for my fans. So now you've got to engage and he's thinking all the opportunities for him. And it gives him an incentive to anchor and connect to those concepts.”

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  32. “Don't what you do is you start with applications that they're interested in. So he's an elk hunter, and so he's probably interested in elk tags, right? So you start there and you say that whole system can be put on a blockchain. And here's how it's going to be better for you. You say that's what you do. You always connect it to something they know and love. And then once they get that, they say, oh, that's really cool. And then they ask, what else can you do with it? What else can you sell me on it? You kind of work your way outwards there. The problem technologists make is they're so damn in love with the technology. They have that tail wagging the dog where they just want to talk about the technology and how incredibly cool it is. And that's fun. It's like talking about math. Oh God, let's talk about coordisms. That's fun. All right. Everybody's eyes glazed over. No, you always have to connect. And what they care about, what they love, what they need, royalty payments. You know, he's a big guy. He's got to Spotify things. He's got all these things going on. Intellectual property is probably pretty important to Joe at some.”

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  33. “We need to have domestic food production. We need to have resilience at the community level. So let's go build a 40-50 million dollar aquaponics facility next to every major city. So at least you have some local production of food and people won't starve to death. Otherwise, it's very bad. And again, the margins are phenomenal there, 20%, 30% if you actually do it right and alternate your crops properly and so forth. And you create a lot of high paying jobs with it as well.”

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  34. “They're just so much fun to talk to, and there's just so much lore there that's not discovered. The other thing is there's a ton of undiscovered mushrooms. So, you know, you go to my ranch up in Wyoming, go out that national forest next to it, you'll probably discover six or seven new species just doing some gene sequencing and things like that. So there's like a gold rush for new things to discover to treat all kinds of things. So love mushrooms, love that community. I think there's a lot of wonderful medicinal properties. And everybody there is just a lot of fun to hang out with. The other passion is aquaponics and hydroponics. And I got a lot more serious after COVID. I go to the supermarket. All the store shelves are barren. And I say, guys, can you imagine if like we had a real big thing what this would be like?”

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  35. “And I was like, Phil, what do you do? He said, I go and I try to study beetles and bullets in a very particular type of beetle. And they mate in the most crazy way. It's like this beetle will fuse on top of another beetle and they'll vibrate. And if they make the right harmony, she'll mate with him. Otherwise, they'll kick her off. And you can only make the harmony while you're on a specific type of bowl eat mushroom. If it's anywhere else, the harmony doesn't. It's like, who the fuck does this? It's like 20 years, 30 years just thinking about goddamn beetles and bull eat mushrooms, but that's that community. And they're the happiest people you'll ever meet.”

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  36. “So it just kind of made sense from a diversification of assets to say, hey, let's do some stuff in hydroponics and aquaponics and in mushrooms. But the more I do and the more I learn that community, just the cooler that community is. Like I went to this beautiful mushroom festival in Cape Springs down in Georgia. And I met this guy named Bill Yule. And he just looks like a druid. It's just like he lives in a tree and he opens up the tree and goes out and everything.”

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  37. “Now, on the commercial side, you can make a lot of money from mushrooms. And I'm working with a company called Farmbox Foods. It's one of the, they do both vertical hydroparmic farming. They also do mushroom. And, you know, they put these amazing labs and shipping containers that are kind of like controlled environments. You grow 400 pounds of gourmet mushrooms a single week off of that. And your margins can be up to 30% per year. If you're just selling them for food consumption, if you're doing supplements, they can be even higher than that.”

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  38. “A very powerful thing. The other thing was end of life issues. A lot of people get cancer. I've lost people in the family from cancer. And it's so hard those last two, three months, because they kind of have this, they're in a horrific pain. They're trying to find meaning. And why is this happening to me? And if you can just give them a substance that on the other side of it, there's a good chance they can come to peace with everything and die with a lot more dignity and happiness, that alone justifies an enormous amount of study. And the fact that these things are super cheap and they grow pretty much anywhere, it's pretty cool.”

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  39. “For the treatment of depression, then a drug that you have to take forever. And this is just one or two treatments, and then you desist from it. That's some miracle, because there's so many people suffer from severe depression. And it's a lifetime element. And the fact that we have something in the toolbox that we've underexplored.”

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  40. “But the longest short for me when I read that book, like, okay, mine expansion is great, but look at the effectiveness of psychedelics, philosophy mushrooms with SSRIs, selective serotonin readup take inhibitors for treatment of depression. They showed in the Johns Hopkins studies that they're equal or better in effectiveness in many cases.”

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  41. “And this is a real thing. Like, you could Google it and see these dead ants with these funkal staffs coming out of them. It's like, holy God, this is crazy. And in the same topic, you go all the way to Lion's Maine and it could actually help treat Alzheimer's and treat depression and Parkinson's and regrow nerves and so forth. Other things, they've shown some effectiveness against COVID. It's just so crazy the diversity in the mushroom kingdom of the medicinal applications, the pesticide applications. You can use it a lot to kind of save hay and trees. There's a lot of things you can do to combat all kinds of invasive species. And it's true there's a lot of cool stuff with psychedelic mushrooms. And there's great book from Michael Pollen, How to Change Your Mind, where he was really the first journalist a long time to go and Roland Christus work his way through the Johns Hopkins studies.”

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  42. “That's a little bit of everything. It's just an underexplored area of science and botany that ought to be explored because there's so much cool, interesting stuff there. Mushrooms do so much. Like they have these things called corticeps. And they are like a zombie fungus that infects insects, takes them over, and then it will have them kind of get to other insects and then burst out of their head like an alien and spray spores on them and repeat the process. I mean, they even made a damn game about this. The Last of Us or something like that.”

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  43. “I was like, oh God, am I going to jail in London? Why does the Border Patrol guy know who I am? This is a bad deal for me. And it turned out he watches my live streams. And so there's a lot of that. And that's so much fun. In fact, here in Austin. And while eating there, two different people recognized me. I took a picture with one of them. And again, they watch the live streams.”

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  44. “That kind of stuff, and I and I it's grown to a cult following. I think there's like 40, 50,000 people. And it's almost like Fight Club in a certain respect. So I was in Vancouver years ago and I was Air Canada checking in just about to fly back to Colorado. And I was getting this weird vibe from the guy that was checking me in. And then right after he takes my bag, he kind of leans over to me. He's like, I love Ada. And I was like, really? He's like, yeah, I watch your live streams. And then I was flying into London. I was London Heathrow Airport. And the passport control guy was there and I was just about to take my passport out. And he says, welcome to London, Mr. Hoskinson.”

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  45. “Those kinds of things. I really enjoy the live streams. It's fun. It's never been a chore because it's for them. It's a chance for people in the community who've been loyal and they really love it to actually just be there, ask some questions. And I try to make it as entertaining as possible. And you have your trolls and you have your love. It's actually nice to have a mixture of the two because sometimes you can beat down trolls just for fun.”

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  46. “One of the most amazing things you can do. You know, you come out on the other side and all your stress worries, they're just gone. And you have so much productivity and clarity. If you combine that with daily naps, that's the way to go.”

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  47. “So far, I have not committed to that, but everybody else in the organization has started to move there. But my hope is next month that I can actually get serious about that. The other time I'm lost in thought is I do a lot of float tanks. Have you ever done isolation tanks?”

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  48. “Want to really think. That's the one thing I deeply miss when you're a CEO, you're the master of the five minute deal. You come in, you talk to people, you make a decision, you move on. The next thing, you move on to the next thing. And I used to be used to really deep focus. You'd sit down and think about something for 10 hours, 15 hours, 20 hours. And that's that. And I enjoyed it. It was just so beautiful to get lost into something and just go and go and go. And then you become a CEO and it's like you're never going to go and go. You're lucky if you can read a four page thing because there's something else that comes up, you know, you have to travel. You have to do that. So I've been trying lately to have, and actually our chief of staff recommended, like, Fridays is do not disturb day. So it's for deep work. You know, you don't have meetings and any of these things.”

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  49. “It's really cool stuff, but it proves blood flow, and actually there's some peer reviewed studies that show that it does neurogenesis. So you actually generate new neurons and things like that. It's really cool stuff. So I do that and it actually helps a lot. And, you know, every day is a little different”

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  50. “Slowly. Yeah. So the usual routine intermittent fasting, although I haven't been as good about it as I should be. And I used to work out. I don't do as much as that. The stress and the work life balance has been horrible the last 24 months. And I've gained a lot of weight and all that stuff. But I'll fix that. But I do try a lot of things. Like I use the call map and I do meditation. Recently I started doing photobiomodulation. You ever heard of that? Crazy headset called a VLI. You saw that picture of me with like the weird thing with the red lights on.”

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