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  1. “In a world where eventually you won't know who your great grandchildren are, I am reminded of something I heard once I read once that I really like, which is It is well worth remembering. The entire universe, save for one trifling exception, is composed entirely of others. I think that's the meaning of life”

    2020-11-02 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #135 – Charles Isbell: Computing, Interactive AI, and Race in America · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source

  2. “In reinforcement and learning, we believe that. That's why we have discount factors. Otherwise, it doesn't matter what you do.”

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  3. “I kind of imagine that that's death The lack of sensation of time passing. And on the one hand, I am I don't know, soothed by the idea that I won't notice. On the other hand, I am very unhappy at the idea that I won't notice. So, I don't know if I'm afraid of death, but I am completely sure that I don't like it and that I particularly would prefer to discover on my own whether immortality sucks and be able to make a decision about it. That's what I would prefer.”

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  4. “Between tiles going by and me waking up at my hospital bed, no time passed. There was no sensation of time passing. When I go to sleep and I wake up in the morning, This feeling that time has passed, this feeling that something has physically changed about me, nothing happened between the time they put the magic juice in me and the time that I woke up. Nothing. By the way, my wife was there with me talking. Apparently I was also talking. I don't remember any of this, but luckily I didn't say anything I wouldn't normally say. My memory of it is I would talk to her and she would teleport around the room. And then I accused her of witchcraft, and that was the end of that. But her point of view is I would start talking and then I would fall asleep and then I would wake up and leave off where I was before. I had no notion of any time passing.”

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  5. “This guy, and he's moving my bed. And I have this, and he's talking to me, and I have this distinct impression that I've met this guy and I should know what he's talking about. But I kind of just don't remember what just happened. And I look up and I see the tiles going by. And I'm like, oh, it's just like in the movies where you see the tiles go by. And then... Have this brief thought that I'm in an infinitely long warehouse and there's someone sitting next to me and I remember thinking, oh, she's not talking to me. And then I'm back in the hospital bed. And in between the time where the tiles were going by, and I got in the hospital bed, something like five hours had passed. Apparently it had grown so much that it was a four and a half hour procedure instead of an hour-long procedure. I lost A neck size and a”

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  6. “Nothing changed. Apparently, in the next three months? It had grown. I hadn't noticed this at all I went and had surgery. They took out half of it. The other half is still there, and it's working fine, by the way. I don't have to take a pill or anything like that. It's great. I'm in the hospital room and the doctor comes in. I've got these things on my arm. They're going to do whatever they're talking to me. And the anesthesiologist says, huh, your blood pressure is through the roof. Do you have high blood pressure? I said, no, but I'm terrified if that helps you at all. And the anesthesist who's the nurse who supports the anesthesiologist, if I got that right, said, oh, don't worry about it. I've just put some put some stuff in your IV. You're going to be feeling pretty good in a couple minutes. And I remember turning and saying,”

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  7. “To get my thyroid, it was growing, what's called a goiter. And he said, we're going to have to take it out at some point. When? Sometime before you're 85, probably. But if you wait till you're 85, that'll be really bad because you don't want to have surgery when you're 85 years old. If you can help it, certainly not the kind of surgery it takes to take out your thyroid. So I went there and we decided I would decide I'd put it off until December 19th because my birthday is December 18th and I want to be able to say I made it to 49 or whatever. So I said I'll wait till after my birthday in the interview in the first six months of that”

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  8. “I will tell you a story, uh, something that happened to me recently. If you look very carefully, you will see I have a scar. Which, by the way, is an interesting story of its own about why people who have half of their thyroid taken out. Some people get scars and some don't. But anyway, I had half my thyroid taken out. The way I got there, by the way, is its own interesting story, but I won't go into it. Just suffice it to say I did what I keep telling people should never do, which is never go to the doctor unless you have to because there's nothing good that's ever going to come out of a doctor's visit, right? So I went to the doctor to look at one thing, this little bump I had on the side that I thought might be something bad because my mother made me. And I went there and he's like, oh, it's nothing. But by the way, your thyroid is huge. Can you breathe? Yes, I can breathe you. Sure, because it's pushing on your windpipe. You should be dead. Ah, right. So I end up going there.”

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  9. “Yes Inevitability of oblivion. I do occasionally. This feels like a very Russian conversation, actually. It's very, yeah.”

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  10. “It's simple, right? It doesn't matter. I don't have to know who my great grandfather was to know that I wouldn't be here without him. And I don't know who my great grandchildren are and certainly who my great-great grandchildren are. And I'll probably never meet them, although I would very much like to. But hopefully I'll set the world in motion in such a way that their lives will be better than they would have been if I hadn't done that. Well, certainly they wouldn't have existed if I hadn't done the things that I did. So I think that's a good positive thing. You live on through other people.”

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  11. “And that's kind of what you can hope for, which is very depressing in some ways. I could turn it into something uplifting if you need me to, but keen.”

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  12. “And the rest of us are just like, well, you know, someone asked me about immortality once, and I said, and I stole this from somebody else, I don't remember who, but it was, you know, I asked him, what's your great grandfather's name? Any of them. Of course, they don't know. Most of us do not know. I mean, I'm not entirely sure. I know my grandparents, all my grandparents' names. I know what I called them, right? I don't know any of their middle names, for example. Within living memory, so I could find out. Actually, my grandfather didn't know when he was born, had no idea how old he was. But I definitely don't know any of my great grandparents are. So in some sense, immortality is doing something preferably positive so that your great-grandchildren know who you are.”

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  13. “That's the only thing you got. I mean, if you're an academic in some sense, well, it isn't the only thing you've got, but it feels that way sometimes.”

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  14. “You create things that impact people. You don't necessarily get credit for them. And that's not right, but it's also okay.”

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  15. “Ended up being quirky about it, and I started getting people sending me information was the inventors, people who, you know, Garrett Morgan to Benjamin Bannocker, right? People who were inventing things. At a time when How in the world did they manage to invent anything? Like, all these other things were happening, mother necessity, right? All these other things were happening. And, you know, there were so many terrible things happening around them. And, you know, they went to the wrong state at the wrong time. They may never come back. But they were inventing things we use, right? And it was always inspiring to me that people would still create, even under those circumstances. I got a lot out of that. I also learned a few lessons. I think, you know, the Charles Richard Drews of the world, you know, you...”

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  16. “Well, I find the entirety of the 40s to the 60s and the civil rights movement that didn't happen and did happen at the same time during then quite inspirational. I mean, I've read quite a bit of the time period, at least I did in my younger days when I had more time to read as many things as I wanted to. What was quirky about this week in Black history when I started in the 80s was how focused it was. And it was because of the sources I was stealing from. And I was very much stealing from sort of like I think calendars, anything I could find, Google didn't exist, right? And I just pulled as much as I could and just put it together in one place for other people.”

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  17. “But I'm just choosing to believe. That it's going to be okay. And we're not going to get hit by an asteroid, at least not while I'm around. And if we are, well, there's very little I can do about it. So I might as well assume it's not going to happen.”

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  18. “I'm not worried about AGI doing it, but I am worried. I mean, at any given moment, right? Also, but you know, at any given moment, a comic. I mean, you know, whatever. I tend to think that outside of things completely beyond our control.”

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  19. “Tend to think that everything's going to be okay because I just tend to think that everything's going to be okay. My mother says something to me a lot and always has, and I find it quite comforting, which is this too shall pass. And this too shall pass. Now, this too shall pass is not just a... Bad thing is going away. Everything passes. I mean, I have a 16 year old daughter who's going to go to college probably in about 15 minutes given how fast she seems to be growing up. And, you know, I get to hang up with her now, but one day I won't. She'll ignore me just as much as I ignored my parents when I was in college and went to grad school. This too shall pass. But I think that, you know, one day, if we're all lucky, you live long enough to look back on something that happened a while ago, even if it was painful and mostly. It's a memory”

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  20. “At the end of the day, in the end of the day, it all comes down to faculty hiring All a metaphor faculty argue the metaphor for all of life.”

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  21. “I mean, why But even so, he still has to be a story. And by the way, this isn't just about violent political, whatever, nonviolent political change, right? This is true for understanding calculus, right? I mean, everything requires a struggle, right?”

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  22. “Violence is a way of shouting. I mean, many people far more talented and thoughtful than I have said this in one form or another, right? That, you know, violence is the voice of the unheard, right? I mean, it's a thing that people do when they feel as if they have no other option. And sometimes we agree and sometimes we disagree. Sometimes we think they're justified. Sometimes we think they are not. But regardless, it is a way of shouting. And when you shout, people tend to hear you even if they don't necessarily hear the words that you're saying. They hear that you are shouting. I see no way. So another way of putting it, which I think is less, let us just say. Provocative, but I think is true, is that. All change, particularly change that impacts power requires struggle. The struggle doesn't have to be violent.”

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  23. “Well, certainly the way that you get someone to notice you. And if they don't notice you, I mean, what's the difference between that and again, without taking a moral position on this, I'm just trying to observe history here. If you maybe have television didn't exist, this civil rights movement doesn't happen or it takes longer or takes a very different form. Maybe if social media doesn't exist, a whole host of things. Positive and negative don't happen, right? So, and what do any of those things do other than? Expose things to people.”

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  24. “Know Malcolm X was older than Martin Luther King? People kind of have it in their head that he's younger. Well, he died sooner, right? But only by a few years, right? People think of MLK as the older statesman and they think of... Malcolm X is the young, angry, whatever. But that's more of a narrative device. It's not true at all. I reject the choice. I think it's a false choice. I think they're just things that happen. You just do, as I said, hatred. It takes a lot of energy. But every once in a while you have to fight. One thing I will say, without taking a moral position. Which I will not take on this matter. Violence has”

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  25. “Cameras, body cams, or whatever. But we're still finding ourselves telling the same story. It's the same thing over and over again. I would invite you to go back and read the op-eds from what people were saying about the violence is not the right answer after Rodney King. And then go back to 1980 and the big riots that were happening around then and read the same op- it's the same words over and over and over again. There's your remembering history right there. I mean, it's like literally the same words. Like you could have just copied, and I'm surprised no one got flagged for plagiarism.”

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  26. “And whatever it was in 92, it was harder to go viral in 92, right? Or 91, actually, it must have been 90 or 91. But that happened. And like two days later, it's like it never happened. Again, nobody remembers this, but I'm like the only person. Sometimes I think I must have dreamed it. Anyway, Rodney King happens. It goes viral. or the moral equivalent thereof at the time. And eventually we get April 29th, right? And I don't know what the difference was between the two things other than one thing caught and one thing didn't. Maybe what's happening now is two things onto one another. One is more people are willing to believe. And the other is there's easier and easier ways to give evidence.”

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  27. “Yeah, on the other hand, Rodney King. So no one remembers this. I seem to be the only person who remembers this. But sometime before the Rodney King incident, there was a guy who was a police officer. Who was saying that things were really bad in Southern California? And he was going to prove it by having some camera people follow him around. And he says, I'm going to go into these towns and just follow me for a week and you will see that I'll get harassed. And like the first night, he goes out there and he crosses into the city. Some cops pull him over. And he's a police officer, remember? They don't know that, of course. They like shove his face through a glass window This was on the new. I distinctly remember watching this as a kid. Actually, I guess I wasn't a kid.”

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  28. “And it's happening. It's dispersing at a speed that is fast enough to cause concern for some people, but not so fast to cause massive negative reaction. So that's that. On the other hand, and again, that's a massive oversimplification, but I think there's something there anyway, at least something worth exploring. I'm happy to be yelled at by a real historian.”

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  29. “Of the delusion is pretending that nothing bad is happening that might force you to do something big you don't want to do, but sometimes it gets put in your face and then you kind of can't ignore it. And a large part, in my view, of what happened right was that it was too public to ignore. Now we created other ways of ignoring it. Lots of change happened in the South, but part of that delusion was that it wasn't going to affect the west or the northeast. And of course, it did, and that caused its own set of problems, which went into the late 60s into the 70s. And in some ways, we're living with that legacy now. And so on. So why not what's happening now? Why it didn't happen 10 years ago? I think people have more voices. There's not just more TV. There's social media. It's very easy for these things to kind of build on themselves. And things are just quite visible. And there's demographic change. I mean, the world is changing rapidly, right? And so it's very difficult. You're now seeing people you could have avoided seeing most of your life growing up in a particular time.”

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  30. “And the press left, and nothing changed. So next they went to Birmingham, Alabama, and Bull O'Connor, and you got to see on TV little boys and girls being hit with fire hoses and being knocked down. And there was outrage and things changed, right?”

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  31. “I think And again, I am not a scholar. I think that the big difference was TV. These things are visible. People can see them. It's hard to avoid, right? Why not James Farmer? Why Martin Luther King? One was born 20 years after the other, or whatever. I think It turns out that you know King's biggest failure was in the early days was in Georgia. They were doing some doing the usual thing, trying to integrate. And I forget the guy's name, but you can look this up. But a copy, he was a sheriff, made a deal with the whole state of Georgia. We're going to take people and we are going to nonviolently put them in trucks. And then we're going to take them and put them in jails very far away from here We're going to do that, and we're not going to, there'll be no reason for the press to hang around. And they did that, and it worked.”

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  32. “So why the 1950s, 60s civil rights movement as opposed to the 1930s, 1940s? Well, first off, there was a civil rights movement in the 30s and 40s. It just wasn't of the same character or quite as well known post-World War II. Lots of interesting things were happening. It's not as if a switch was turned on and Brown versus the Board of Education or the Montgomery bus boycott. And that's when it happened. These things have been building up forever and go all the way back and all the way back and all the way back. And Harriet Tubman was not born in 1950. We can take these things. It could have easily.”

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  33. “Really fascinating, it was a very different experience from all the computer science classes I'd been taking, even the cockside classes I was taking at an undergrad. Anyway, I'm interested in history, but I'm hardly a historian. So, you know, forgive my, I will ask the audience to forgive my simplification. I think the question that's always worth asking as opposed to it's the same question, but a little different. Not why now, but why not before?”

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  34. “I loved it. And history and Spanish history, actually, but Spanish and the other was what we would now call cognitive science. But at the time, that's fascinating. Interesting.”

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  35. “I don't remember when that was. Anyway, the point is Basically, you got to get another generation old enough to be angry, but not so old to remember what happened the last time, right? And that's sort of what happens. But, you know, you said like two completely one has to do with this sort of moment in time. You know why is this sort of upbilled? And the other has to do with a kind of the economic reality of COVID. I'm actually, I want to separate those things because, for example, This happened before COVID happened, right? So let's separate these two things for a moment. Let me preface all this by saying that although I am interested in history, one of my three minors as an undergrad was history, specifically history in the 1960s”

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  36. “Going way, I mean, like the 1700s or whatever, right? I mean, there was a massive one in New York. I mean, I'm talking way, way, way back when. So Boston used to be the hotbed of riots. It's just what Boston was all about. Or so I'm told from history class. There's an interesting one in New York.”

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  37. “Because time enough time has passed, right? I mean, you know, the very first race riots were in Boston, not to draw anything. Really?”

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  38. “People have had different experiences, but that ultimately were the same, which sounds very I don't even know what the right word is. I'm trying to avoid a word like saccharin, but you know, it's very optimistic. But I think that's okay. I think that's a part of the delusion you want to be a little optimistic and then recognize that the hard problem is actually setting up the structures in the first place. Because it's in no one's, it's an almost no one's interest to change the infrastructure.”

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  39. “Basically, forget that the people in the other clusters are ultimately like them. It is useful exercise to ask yourself sometimes, I think, that if I had grown up in a completely different house and a completely different household as a completely different person, if I had been a woman, would I see the world differently? What I believe with that crazy person over there believes? And the answer is probably yes, because after all, they believe it. fundamentally they're the same issue. So then what can you possibly do to fix it? How do you fix Twitter if you think Twitter needs to be as broken or Facebook if you think Facebook is broken? How do you fix racism? How do you fix any of these things? It's all structural, right? It's not individual. I mean, individual conversations matter a lot, but you have to create structures that allow people to have those individual conversations all the time in a way that is relatively safe and that allows them to understand that other people.”

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  40. “I think what I would ask other people to get out of this one of many, many, many stories is to recognize that it is real. People would ask me to empathize with the police officer. I would quote back statistics saying that being a police officer isn't even in the top 10 most dangerous jobs in the United States. You're much more likely to get killed in a taxicab. Half of police officers are actually killed by suicide. But that means their lives are something. Something's going on there with them. And I would more than happy to be empathetic about what it is they go through and how they see the world. I think, though, that if we step back from what I feel, if we step back from what an individual police officer feels, you step up a level and all this because all things tie back into interactive AI. The real problem here is that we've built a narrative. We've built a big structure that has made it easy for people to put themselves into different pots in the different clusters and to”

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  41. “Of course. And one might even argue that it is a Logical conclusion, right? On the other hand, you've got to live in the world. I don't think it's helpful Something one should, I mean, hate is something that takes a lot of energy. So one should reserve it for when it is useful and not carried around with you all the time. Again, there's a big difference between the happy delusion that convinces you that you can actually get out of bed and make it to work today without getting hit by a car. And the sad delusion that means you can not worry about this car that is barreling towards you, right? So we all have to be a little deluded because otherwise we're paralyzed, right? But one should not be ridiculous. If we go all the way back to something you said earlier about empathy.”

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  42. “I don't remember that guy, but my views on police officers is the same view I have about lots of things. Fire is an important and necessary thing in the world. You must respect fire because it will burn you. Is a necessary evil in the sense that it can burn you necessary in the sense that, you know, heat and all the other things that we use fire for. So when I see a cop, I see a giant ball of flame. And I just try to avoid it.”

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  43. “Apparently I moved too fast or something, rolled my window down before I should have. It's unclear He thought I was going to do something, or at least that's how he behaved.”

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  44. “I don't think I ran a light, but in fact, I may not have even gotten a ticket, I may have just gotten a warning. I think he was a little spiritual.”

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  45. “Never ever did that, or ever even pulled his gun again. I don't know the man's name. I don't remember anything about him. I do remember the gun. Guns are very big when they're in your face. I can tell you this much. They're much larger than they seem.”

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  46. “Not only we get away with it, but that I would be painted a villain. I was probably big and scary and I probably moved too fast if only I had done what he said and da-da-da-da. Which is somehow worse, right? That hurts not just you, you're dead, but your family and the way people look at you and look at your legacy or your history, that's terrible. And it would work. I absolutely believe it would have worked had he done it. Now, he didn't. I don't think he wanted to shoot me. I don't think he felt like killing anybody. He did not go out that night expecting to do that or planning on doing it. I wouldn't be surprised if he...”

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  47. “Was the worst thing that I felt about that particular moment is that if he shoots me now, he will get away with it. Would be years later when I realized actually much worse than that. Is that he'd get away with it? And if anyone, if it became a thing that other people knew about, odds were would be, of course, that it wouldn't. But if it became a thing that other people knew about, if I was living in today's world and supposed to the world 30 years ago.”

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  48. “I think I don't imagine I will ever see a police officer and not get very, very tense. Now, everyone gets a little tense because it probably means you're being pulled over for speeding or something or you're going to get a ticket or whatever, right? I mean, the interesting thing about the law in general is that most human beings experience of it is fundamentally negative, right? You're only dealing with a lawyer if you're in trouble, except in a few very small circumstances. So that's an underlying reality. Now imagine that that's also at the hands of the police officer. I remember at the time when I got pulled over that time, halfway between Boston and Wellesley, actually. I remember thinking When he pulled his gun on me, that if he shot me right now, he'd get away with it.”

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  49. “Well, I guess I don't either. I guess the answer is it looks exactly the way it looks now because this is the world that we have in to live in, right? It's people clustering and doing the things that they do and making decisions based on one or two bits of information they find relevant, which, by the way, are all positive feedback loops, which makes it easier for you to believe what you believe before because you behave in a certain way that makes it true and it goes on and circles and it cycles and cycles and cycles. It's just about being on edge. I do not, despite having made it over fifty now. Congratulations, brother. God, I have a few gray hairs here and there”

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  50. “So it's all a trade off, right? You have to kind of believe in yourself. It helps to have a support group around you in some way or another. I was able to find that wherever I've gone, even if it wasn't necessarily on the floor that I was in. I had lots of friends when I was here. Many of them still live here. And I've kept up with many of them. So I felt supported. And certainly I had my mother and my family and those people back home that I could always lean back on, even if it were a long distance call that cost money, which is, you know, not something that any of the kids today even know what I'm talking about. But, you know, back then it mattered calling my mom was an expensive proposition. But, you know, you have that and it's fine. I think it helps. But you cannot be so deluded that you miss the obvious because it makes things slower and it makes you think you're doing better than you are. And it will hurt you in the long run.”

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