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  1. “It's very possible. I mean, multi versus a controversial field because it's very much hypothetical. This universe has been created, the one we're in now, and so it's happened before, it certainly could happen again. Some of them might be happening in parallel. I think if you look out billions of years, trillions of years in the future of technological development, it's certainly possible we could start to have little baby universes grow them like cabbage. Get them out, saute them, make them have flavor”

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  2. “Nope, I think about that in the book a bit. I think I would be okay with it if they carry some echo if that's duty and they bring that with them. It would be real, I'd be sad if they hell with everyone we're going to destroy everything we come across and become nanobots that make everything gray goo. But that would still be a version of life, just not one that as I think is pretty, but technically he'd be alive. So philosophically could I object, it's borderline.”

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  3. “Serve as the guardians of life itself. That is the duty for our species is to recognize and really manifest this unique responsibility that we have and only we have so far. So I think to me the meaning of life is for life to, in its simplest form, is to be able to survive, but to leverage the frailty of life into its ability to protect itself. And quite literally, the guardians of the galaxy is basically what we are. We're guarding life. We're guarding ourselves and also life. I mean, life is just so precious as far as we know, it is completely rare in the universe. And I do think a lot, well, what if this is the only universe that's ever come in and it won't come back again? And like, this is it. If that's true, we have to serve as shepherds.”

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  4. “No, I think it would be actually, in some ways, maybe the best way to die, knowing that you're on the first wave of people expanding the reach into the stars. It would be an honor.”

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  5. “I would love to, and I think I might. I think. It may be that one way trip if they because I think they'll need settlers who would want to go and stay there and build and be there for the long term knowing it's high risk, knowing it's”

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  6. “I would love to go. I want to be a little bit older so that if I die, it's not as traumatic for my daughter and family. But yeah, I feel like if I'm a little bit older, I would even potentially do a one-way trip to Mars if it's later in life.”

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  7. “To me, when someone says, No, not right now, I'll be like, okay, I'll come back in a year. No just means no for now. Sometimes no means you have a crappy idea. That is true. I do have crappy ideas and so does everybody, but. If I really believe in it, I just say, okay, I'll be back.”

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  8. “So, the first actually, because when you start a lab in academia, they say, here's a pile of money. Write Grants and bring in more money and train people and start a lab. So I actually wrote NASA and said, I don't request any funds. I have funds. They just gave me a bunch of money. I would like to, though, do a deep genetic profile of astronauts before and after spaceflight and do it ideally if we have some twins or do genetics and epigenetics and microbiome. But John Charles is the director of the Human Research Programs that know we don't have we don't even have a samples bank that you would want that are old samples and we don't have any plans for missions like that right now. We can't do it. And it was the first time it's like saying to someone at listen, I'll buy a house for you. I just have this smile buy and they're like, no, no thanks. I felt like I was offering a really unique research opportunity. But then that failure of saying that we're not ready yet, it's not time, but then once they have the solicitation, then he reached out and said, oh, actually, I think we've got something along the lines of what you were thinking a few years ago. So sometimes when some things get rejected or someone says no, say, okay, maybe it's just too early, but don't give up. I think it's.”

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  9. “And helping patients live longer and seeing the hope in their eyes when they went from even my own grandfather, they went from a two-month diagnosis of living from metastatic cancer to living for more than two years, eventually succumbed to it. But knowing can use the tools of predictive medicine to save people. And so now, you know, looking ahead. I feel like I would die very happy if I saw boots on the Red Planet and people there. And the other advice to the younglings, I'd say, is the first time I proposed the twin study to NASA, they said no several times. No, we don't have a plan for a mission like that. It's not going to happen. So just persevere.”

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  10. “Do some of the genetic dreams I had when I was 16 or 17. I'm not actually making them in my lab. I actually like to say my scientific goals and statements have really been the same since I've been 17. It's just now everyone takes me seriously because I'm a professor and actually have done the thing.”

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  11. “From then on, I felt like that I wouldn't feel like I was cheated if I had died from that day forward, that I had gotten at least enough of life to feel like that I wouldn't be not okay with dying, but that I feel like I knew I was going to die. I wasn't afraid I was going to die and it actually was very liberating. And it's only gotten better since then. So I think some of that may or may not have been drug-related euphoria, but nonetheless the joy stuck. And I think it was just gotten more true ever since is that the default state is one of very rich appreciation because it's so fleeting. And so I would die happy, I guess, even at age 17, but now my metrics have changed a little bit. I've had sex more than one time now, so that's really big. Congratulations. This is very exciting news at least four times. Multiples. And professionally accomplished things like actually.”

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  12. “I think I want to do as much as I can. I feel like I would die a full life already. I actually believe that since age 17 onward. I feel like even then, I mean, then the bar was low. I feel like, well, I'd had at least sex once. I had good friends. What else is there?”

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  13. “Because you feel like the sadness can be all encompassing and therefore even more real than what might seem like fleeting happiness.”

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  14. “And even any living, I think, is better. That's why just adamantly I don't think I'd ever really commit suicide because anything I take is better than nothing. So the worst case scenario, I said there's no heaven, there's no hell. That's just it. If you just die and that's really just it, then anything that you have in living is by definition infinitely better than the zero because at least it's something. And so I appreciate that. I even enjoy sadness, which sounds like an oxymoron, but I sometimes even long for a good sadness, like a... Like a rainy day, and I'm staring out a window, squinting, and like drinking Underpriced whiskey, and then, you know, and just moping. And like, what are you doing? I'm just moping today. But I want at least one day where I did that or something.”

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  15. “Not at the time, but for a while it's a giant empty cavern full of like blood and tears and pain, but then it comes later at such a”

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  16. “But that's not too different. Everyone has people they've lost along the way. But actually was never too dark of a childhood or of a dark place. I mean, the hardest things have been really weird relationship breakups where I felt like, you know, love falling in love and then losing that person, just breaking up not like they died, but where you felt like you just could barely move and like you literally felt like your heart was moved in your body to a different location. And that sort of scraping sense of existence, but also at the same time, that's been where I've in some ways been the most alive. Where I lost what I thought at the time was the love of my life. But then was able to actually, I think, carve a deeper trench into my heart, which then could be filled more with joy, I would say, is what Pablo Neruda wrote about this. And Khalil Gabron is that the deepest, deepest sorrows, I think later have translated into my life.”

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  17. “Like many people had friends I've lost, I had a friend when I was younger who committed suicide. And that was actually, I remember being so struck of I couldn't understand it. I didn't understand mental illness at the time. I was very young. I was only, I think, 11 at the time. And I really was confused more than anything else about how could someone take their life. Once I got over sort of the grief of it all, I really cemented in my head that I would never commit suicide. I could tell this to my wife. It's like, you know, if it looks like I hung myself, go find my killer because I wouldn't ever do it. It's got to be staged. But at the same time, I've begun to appreciate there are times where the suffering is so great and diseases can be so awful that sometimes euthanasia is an actual exit. But just to friends I've lost along the way or”

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  18. “Whatever floats your boat, or dancing. New York City is a great place for this. There's Sunrise Rooftop Dancing. There's a party that does this. It's a thing. So you go there, ask some people from my lab that go. I've only been once, but at sunrise, and you see the sun rise over the city and there's huge house music and you play and you dance like crazy and then you go to work. You know, you go to lab, you go to wherever you're going, but you can, it's good to squeeze in some weird, crazy sunrise rooftop dancing or things like that when you can.”

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  19. “I'm sure it adds up to like weeks, maybe months of my life that it was just, you know, but I feel like I tell myself at least I was problem solving. Right. I could say hand-eye coordination. Oh, that's an old, I don't know if that really is even remotely true. But some of the games like Final Fantasy things are things we actually had to solve problems and think, and there were some degree of strategy.”

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  20. “Amazing and creativity leads to people making Amazing videos, or even doing people. My daughter loves TikTok, and people who do makeup art on TikTok of things that are mind-blowing. You think they made that video just to put it on TikTok and practice their art and share it with the world? It's fabulous. But then if my daughter watches TikTok, It's hard. But I remember when I was a kid, I remember I played Nintendo. Sometimes I played for like 10 hours a day or even in grad school. I'd sometimes play like Counter-Strike or Half-Life, like 12 hours straight. And I'm like, what was I? So at one point I built a new computer. I just didn't install some of the games I had for. I was like, I'm just going to not install them because otherwise I'll play them for too long.”

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  21. “But it's true. And it's actually really hard to find. I think a lot of times you'll have to do work for random jobs that maybe you don't like for five or even ten years, right? Or you might have to go to school for 10 to 15 to 20 years to finally get to the right spot where you have the knowledge, the experience, and even frankly just reputation that people trust you. You've done enough good work. And only then can you really do the thing you love most. So you have to be a little bit patient and impatient at the same time. You have to do both.”

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  22. “How do you pick one thing to do? And that's just the thing. What do you find yourself daydreaming about? What's the thing that you, what keeps you up at night? And if you don't have anything that keeps you up at night sometimes, go find something that keeps you up at night. Because that is kind of this, sometimes I feel like if I get woken up by someone on the inside of my skull who's knocking trying to get out, it's kind of that almost haunting feeling of I need to wake up, there's things that have to be done. There are questions I don't know the answer to. And as a lot of times it's as simple as how do we engineer cells to survive more radiation, but I read a paper and then I came back to me a week later. I thought, oh, wait, we could use some of these tools or these genes or these methods really being pleasantly haunted by something is a wonderful place to be and find that thing that bothers you because there'll be good days and they'll be bad days, but you want to have, even on the worst possible days, working on the thing that you love the most. And then all the usual normal phrases apply. Like then you never work a day and you're”

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  23. “I think for the Paduans out there and Younglings looking up at the stars. You have to know that this day that you're alive is quantifiably the best day that's ever happened and that tomorrow will be even better than this day in terms of the capacity for discovery, the amount of data that exists. Think it's not my opinion. That's just an empirical fact of the state of genetics research, knowledge, accretion of humanities acumen for many disciplines. So with that ability to do so many things, it can be sometimes just terrifying. Well, what do I pick? If I could do everything in this most possibility ever in human history.”

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  24. “Fundamentally replaced doctors. Now, in some cases, they can. For the pathology description I just mentioned, I think the AI tools already do a better job, and we've only really been doing this for about five years, right? So imagine another five years of optimization and data. They're going to take over, right? And they should because staring and squinting at screens for hours on day is not the best use of human ingenuity. So I think some cases they'll take over. In other cases, they'll augment, they'll help.”

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  25. “I was in the room when we got a tour of Watson for the first time with the dean of our medical school. And these programmers came out and they said, Listen, here's this example of a patient, and watch Watson diagnose the patient and recommend the right treatment. And then at one point in the conversation, remember this is a room of, I'm a PhD, it's like a geneticist and programmers, some MDs, leaders of the medical school. The dean is there. And he says, you can imagine someday this could replace doctors in a room full of doctors, right? So it was a really poor choice of words because everyone's like, no. You want to help the doctors, but I think the view from the programmers is often a bit naive that they could.”

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  26. “Most of the AI and medicine, the machine learning tools for image recognition, for example, for pathology samples, we're normally thinking of, oh, someone takes a bit of a bit of tissue and then puts it onto a slide. Normally there's pathologists that have been training for years to look at a chunk of your tissue and say, okay, is this cancer? What kind of cancer? What treatment should I do? But there's an old joke about pathologists that you can give 10 slides to 10 different pathologists and get 11 different diagnoses, which is as awful as it sounds, because you're having someone squint at a stained microscope slide. But instead, if you use a lot of the AI tools where you can actually segment the image, high resolution characterization with multiple probes, it's what AI was built to do. You have a large training data set, and then you have test samples afterward. You can do far better than almost every pathologist on the planet and get a much more accurate diagnostic. So that's for breast cancer, for prostate cancer, for leukemia. We've seen the diagnostic tools explode with AI power.”

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  27. “Can we restructure what people see and then how they respond actually kind of be really predictive and manipulative, frankly, with what happens? And then can that change how they vote? And the answer seems to be yes for a good amount of the populace in 2016 in the U.S. So I think we're seeing more and more of these algorithms show up all over the place. And so the book is about where they're good, for example, in medicine, they're phenomenal. They have fundamentally changed how we treat cancer patients, but where they're risky, like if someone's trying to steal your vote or manipulate your thoughts potentially negatively.”

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  28. “Seeing these really big differences of how Facebook was monitoring feeds. And so prediction is not just better medicine and finance and economics. People think about stock traders and people doing predictive algorithms. But what you view in your feed, what your vote is and what you saw.”

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  29. “I think it's called the age of prediction. So, the next book that's coming is all the ways where machine learning tools predictive algorithms have fundamentally changed our life. So some of them are obvious to me, where, for example, when we sequence cancer, patients' DNA, and we have predictions of exactly which drug will work with it, that's actually a very simple algorithm. But other ones involve predicting, say, the age of blood that's left at the scene of a crime, which uses computational tools to look at each piece of DNA and what it might reveal for its epigenetic state, and then predicting essentially how old you are at any given moment. That also gets to longevity, because sometimes you can see if you're aging faster or slower than you should be. So some tools are in medicine or even forensics. But my favorite part, a lot of the book is where does this show up in economics as well as in medicine? So predictive tools, I mean, I think the most notorious one people thought about is during the 2012 election and 2016 election especially.”

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  30. “Yes, yeah. So you've heard about the book, I guess. Yeah. That's actually written with the philanthropist I mentioned who we named the fungus after the space station. So that's coming out next year, actually.”

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  31. “If I could be doing five podcasts right now at the same time, then in theory. But I'd have to have some way to transmit the memory of each one I did, which would be hard, but not impossible if it's all digital. You could aggregate in a crete more and more the memories into one entity.”

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  32. “And, you know, and he actually goes so far to say, They're probably more important than even what's in your head. If you swap out all of your thoughts, but when you walk out into the world, everyone still treats to you and talks you the same way as the memory of what you are, that is like an entity that's defined you, even if all of your, you know, there's even movies like Trading Spaces about this with Eddie Murphy or like the ideas of people who can swap bodies. The reason those are comedy is because they're fish out of water comedies. But they go to the point of what defines you as not just you, but also”

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  33. “No, it's an abstract, but very relevant. Derek Parfit wrote this great book called Reasons in Persons about how you really define an individual as not just your own thoughts and your own self-reflection. But he argues more defined by how other people like if you walked out into the world and say suddenly nobody knew who you were or recognized you. You would be in some regards deceased, right? If no one, if everyone just suddenly had massive amnesia and you just didn't no one knew who you are and never remembered no memory of anything you'd ever done together, you'd be very alone. You'd be basically starting from scratch. As if you'd just been born basically. And also he writes thought experiments. What if half of your neurons get replaced with half of someone else or a quarter or 60%? At what point do you stop being you and become that other person? And the argument he makes is it's more than just what percentage of your neurons are swapped out. It's also the relationships you have with so many people that partly define you. No, not completely, but they're a key component of how you view yourself, how they view what you are in the world.”

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  34. “Living a brain. Like in the Kritzville singularity, where we all have this rapture like moment and we go up and upload into the cloud and Live forever I don't know if it would still be the same as what we consider that view of self in this flesh form if we could really get a complete representation of a person's entire personality up into digital form I mean that would be immortality basically or”

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  35. “To assume that you're going to die, let's assume you're going to die because then you have a bit of liberty about what you can do quickly and do next. But I think we will get better. I think we could see people live potentially to 150 with some of the tools and methods and living longer.”

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  36. “There's a lot of great work being done in longevity. I have one of my companies itself works on longevity. It's called Longevity. And so I'm working myself on ways to improve how we monitor health and wellness now and live longer, live better. Many people are doing this. This is what holds purpose of medicine is to a large degree. But I don't think we'll live in the book, I propose we might live to 150 years. I think that's reasonable. But say humans are going to live to be two, three, four, five hundred years, or some people, I meet people like this every week because I think I'm not going to die. To which I always say, I hope you're right. But I think you should plan that you're not going to be right. But I want people, also, as we mentioned earlier, being immortal would really fundamentally change the social contract and how you plan and how you allocate resources. Not necessarily bad, but it would just be different. But I also just think we don't know yet of any way to undo the ravages to the human body that occur over time. We can repair some of it, replace some of it. But it's okay.”

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  37. “Propulsion. So that would be, I think, very likely to see in the next few centuries. And then biology was the other part. Or anything else physics? I mean, physics you can imagine ways to have electromagnetic shielding. So you could deflect all the cosmic rays that are coming at your spacecraft with a large, almost like force field, quite frankly. That would take some development to do, but that would be good to see.”

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  38. “Antimide would be where you just purify bits of antimatter. Basically, it was the opposite of matter. So if you can have an anti-electron to the electron, you could have even the complete atoms that would be anti-atoms. And when you put them together, they would be pure energy released in theory. And that could drive the most powerful possible engine for space travel. But the only place you can make antimatter is in large particle accelerators and only very briefly. So that is hard. But if that could work, that would be extraordinary. Fusion drives would be great. Just getting nuclear fusion well controlled, and that would actually give you a pretty good propulsion. So I think that's the most likely thing we'll see is fusion technology is getting better and better every year. Or it said old saying, fusion is always 10 years away every year. It's always 10 years away, but it's getting better.”

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  39. “I would love to fold space. We know wormholes are technically possible, but we have no way to do it. I'd love to see advance in wormhole technology, antimatter drives, antimatter is notoriously missing for most of the universe.”

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  40. “I would include other because Hal is one program, much like we do for humans. You get feedback from other humans before you make a decision that affects all of them. So I think Hal could have gotten feedback from other AI systems that said, well, is this, are there other options here? And done it probably very quickly. Are you even embed a programming system where the AI has a primary function but at times of uncertainty queries a series of other programmed AIs to ask for a consensus almost? I'm like a democracy of the AI. But since it's all programmed, you could bring it all together and say there's a primary, but only activates the parliament, if you will, for a decision when needed. Now I don't know how you program dramatically different AIs all in one system that are different enough, but conceptually it's possible. Of course, that can lead to logjam and government and parliament doesn't do anything or Congress doesn't do anything. So there's trade-offs, but it's one idea.”

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  41. “You can go wrong either way. If you're too confident You won't see the other options. If you have too much doubt, you won't move. You'll be paralyzed by the options. So you need some middle ground, which I think is what most people experience every day is we all love the concept of being a steadfast, resolute leader making big decisions quickly and without question, but at the same time, we know people can be blinded to things they're missing if they're too headstrong.”

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  42. “You have to at some point pick. But I think in that sense, it's a false dichotomy. I think Hal didn't, wasn't programmed to and didn't try to find a third solution.”

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  43. “It's a word I made up in the book. It's like, what is your genetic duty? When you think of your DNA, right? What are you supposed to do with it, which is kind of the value of life? But if Hal was silicon-based version of genetics, which is just his own maintenance of himself and self-survival, you could argue he's doing the right thing for himself, but I think a human in that circumstance might have tried to find a way to, even if the astronauts don't agree with the mission, to figure out somebody to get them on a different spacecraft to go away or something versus just say, well, you're in the way of the mission. You have to die is, I think. But accommodation can't always be made. To your point with doctors. Like sometimes you'd like to save three people, but you can only save two.”

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  44. “I think he was doing what he was programmed to do, which was just to follow the mission, but didn't have a sense of a broader duty.”

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  45. “Would have really good machine companions that the AI, I really hope the AIs that we build, like realistically we are the programmers are making them, I would feel at a colossal failure if we didn't make AI that was embedded with a sense of duty and caretaking and friendship and even creativity. Like we have the opportunity. I've coded algorithms myself. We're building them. So it's incumbent upon us to actually make them not assholes, you know, I think, frankly. So technical terms.”

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  46. “As you can probably guess, I'll say all of the above questions. But to break those down, though, I think the AI, I hope in the book later that.”

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  47. “So the Gowanas Canal is also a place that has been fun to sequence and see pseudomenous species that can survive there. Basically pulling toxins from the environment. So it's as if you create this toxic landscape and then evolution comes in and says, fine, I'll make things that can survive here. And when you look at the biochemistry of those species, what they've created is their own salvation, basically. The selection has made them survivors. And suddenly you can use that to remediate other polluted sites, for example.”

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  48. “And pseudo media are known to be some of the most tough organisms. They actually can clean toxic waste from years of superfund sites where there's so much waste that's been deposited. You'll find them there as well. Actually, there's one place in the Gowanis Canal. We have something in New York City in Brooklyn. And it is a complete toxic waste dump that was where a lot of waste in the 1700s was dumped. And so the gateway to hell is what it's called. But the... That's the nickname for the lake.”

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  49. “It seems to be surviving there by this large pit of fire. Oh, yeah, there it is, the desert has been just on fire for decades, apparently. So, this is another place that we.”

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  50. “Yes, of keen interest. I think that will be the roadmap for some of the potential adaptations we could think of for human cells, or certainly for the microbiome, like just all the microorganisms in and on and around us. So we've seen even there's this one crater. It's called the Lake of Fire. It's in Turkmenistan where it's been on fire because of oil that had been set on fire decades ago, and it's still burning. So we collected some samples from there. And those were some pseudomonas putidas, some species we found there that can...”

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