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  1. Stay safe and hopefully you'll get some good coding and other things done during this time. Hopefully, a lot of good projects.

    2020-08-10 · a16z Podcast · Turning Open Source Developers Into Superfans · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source

  2. Well, that's awesome, Tom. Thank you so much. We're running out of time now, but thank you so much for taking the time. It was great. Absolutely. Happy to do it.

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  3. Makes sense. So from Sarah and Danny, love how you prioritize community and super fans at GitHub. How are you carrying lessons learned there over to your current ventures? What are the things you would do to create superfans and, quote, surprise and delight superfans? You could maybe hear not just, you know, you feel free to talk about any startup you're involved with or cool things you're seeing today.

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  4. What about, as you know, a lot of these things are helped by corporate Intel contributes to Linux and whatever, Mongo and Elastic have these sort of corresponding for-profit companies.

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  5. Great. Another question from Aria. Most for-profit companies rely heavily on open source code. How are you thinking about the future of open source incentives in economics? Do you have thoughts on how to do sustainable funding for open source GitHub donations is an interesting take on funding public goods? Have you looked at ideas like quadratic funding? Just more broadly, I guess more broadly, future open source, how do you fund it? I'll just add to the question there's all these interesting things going on now where the cloud platforms are kind of sucking a lot of the value of the open source and maybe not always giving it back. And so I don't know. So maybe my little editorializing you take from there. Yeah.

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  6. That's awesome. So we have a bunch of questions here from the students. So if you think we have about 15 more minutes, if you don't mind, I'll go fire away. Okay. From Francesco, once you have the code, it must be tempting to build a whole array of services around that code. While GitHub is very pluggable, it does abstain from providing infrastructure for deployments, for example. How do you think about what to build versus not build?

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  7. They'll always feel left out if you don't kind of go internet first with everything. Exactly. Yeah, I know Stack Overflow, I believe they have a culture where they just leave Google Hangouts on all day. It's just a normal thing to do. You're sitting in your office coding and you've got this kind of environment we have here. Just all sorts of other, I mean, I think there's a lot of my understanding is a lot of ways to make it work, but you have to be very thoughtful about it. In a way, you don't have to.

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  8. It's very hard. It's very hard. I think a lot of people are trying to be creative about new models. But the sort of so-called Israeli model is popular, I think, where you have R&D. And we have a bunch of in our crypto portfolio, a bunch of people that actually, Berlin is very popular, for example, as an R&D headquarters. But then maybe you put kind of business slash marketing, you know, et cetera in San Francisco or something. Yeah. But yeah, I mean, the rents have just maybe that will change if the economy changes, but up until recently have just been unsustainable, right?

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  9. Yeah, it'll be interesting. We see different models. There's people that just say, you know, I'm going to be based in Berlin, right? Or some other city. There's people that sort of, I think kind of what Stripe maybe has done where they have the headquarters in San Francisco or South San Francisco or some Bay Area. And then they have a whole bunch of other offices. We see other people that just go fully distributed. I think the fully distributed, my sense of fully distributed, it's like an advanced level management skill to run that.

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  10. And it's a relatively small, I mean, not relative, but thousands, let's say, not maybe or maybe thousands who are like the most influential. And do you think those people tend to be kind of concentrated still around San Francisco and that you can hopefully pandemic ends and we can have meetups again?

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  11. So fast forward to today, I think when you were doing GitHub, there were other kind of very interesting kind of developer-focused startups. I think there's many, the sense I get is there's many more today. There's a whole kind of broader category. I think you're involved. I believe you're an angel investor in Netlify and a whole bunch of these, right? And kind of developer focused startups. Now that it's sort of more crowded and maybe you can't just kind of go do a meetup and get, you know, I guess how do you think today about how startups should reach out to developers?

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  12. And you guys were, GitHub is often cited as an example of a success story that was a distributed team. I'm just curious, like, how do you think about that and what have you learned about distributed teams over time?

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  13. When you say super fans, it's interesting because you're able to directly reach out to them. So there can't have been that many, right? So we're talking like thousands, not tens of thousands of people. Is that right? Yeah.

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  14. And besides building, besides sort of building a developer, a product that you yourself wanted as developers, clearly you did a lot around the product to make it appealing to developers. What did you do on the sort of quote marketing side? Did you do, I mean, you know, and by that I mean that in a broad sense of like, you know, talks or direct reach out or like, and I guess we're obviously getting to the topic of like, you know, what are the kind of lessons, I guess, that you learned on the kind of on the developer sort of relations side?

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  15. Were there sort of big milestones like, for example, I don't know, like Linux moving over or were there some big projects? I assume there were some, the open source community is very strong opinions on things. And I assume there's some pushback at some point, and maybe at some point people sort of said, hey, this is a great solution. Yeah, I think the...

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  16. Yeah, but they came at you at GitHub pretty hard at one point, right? Like, how did, why did that not work? Was it the thing you described that it just never sort of was a social network? I mean, it wasn't the top priority, but it was a real project. It was.

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  17. Elements. It's also interesting the business model, as I recall, SourceForge was in this kind of desk spiral of more and more banner ads. They didn't have a business model, right? So they, I mean, like as elegant as yours. And so it was a little bit like a lot of, frankly, websites today that are just sort of more and more and more cruft to support them. And I think they're in sort of a death spiral where the more cruft they have, the less people to go there. And then the more cruft they have to add. And I feel like SourceForger is in that you'd recall much better probably, but was in that desk spiral. And you guys came along with this really clean experience and you had it like a kind of a pro user business model. Wasn't exploitative.

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  18. Today, I think of GitHub as not only a great kind of front end for Git, but also really a social network and sort of a global collaboration tool. Did you think of it that way in the beginning? Was that kind of your vision all along or did that emerge?

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  19. And so you built this website and then you put it up and did it immediately kind of get popular or did it take a long time or

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