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Cindy Cohn

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first: 2019-01-19
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“I think that's right. And again, there's a whole lot of people out there who are trying to get the rest of us to decide that free speech is a bad thing. And we should be really clear-eyed. I mean, this is an autoimmune disorder that a lot of people who really don't like speech themselves, none of those people care about speech that they disagree with. They're just trying to use these tools to try to get the rest of us to decide the free speech is a bad thing. And if we fall for it, we're going to lose something much bigger. And this is a concern that I and lots of other people had been raising.”
2019-01-19 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: EFF boss Cindy Cohn and McSweeney's editor Claire Boyle · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Speculative Okay, all right. Well, I think you should bring up First Amendment. I think it's the biggest how we speak to each other in these platforms that become amplifies. I've written they become weaponized in a way that we never understood. And so what it does is it pulls away from the real debates, which I think, you know, I mean, it creates a problem for everybody, especially when these companies are in charge of deciding what speeches.”
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“For people who don't know. Yeah, Section CDA 230 says that if you host somebody speech, you're not responsible for what they say civilly. You're still criminally responsible, but you're not civilly responsible and there's some state law, federal law stuff that gets into the lawyer weeds. And there are a lot of people who are mad at the big platforms who want to chip away at this. And the thing that we are very worried about is that what they don't see is that it's the users who suffer. If the platforms are worried about liability,”
2019-01-19 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: EFF boss Cindy Cohn and McSweeney's editor Claire Boyle · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Well, it depends on who they is, but I think that right now what we're seeing is Tumblr's getting rid of all adult content, the pressure that they might be responsible for. This is a bill that gets broad.”
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“Yeah, no, when competition works for you, that's the best kind of competition, right? You as the user. So we'll see that. There's an idea floating in Congress right now, and there's a bill that Senator Schatz just introduced to try to change the idea of the people who hold our data into being a data fiduciary. And this is like your lawyer as a fiduciary as a legal word for somebody who has a special duty of loyalty to you, different kinds of duties. And I think shifting the people who hold all our data from companies who can do whatever they want as long as they get us to click on something to companies who have an independent duty to us to be loyal to us and to not do things that are against our interests, shifting that role to something more like your accountant or your lawyer or somebody else can really have a very different frame on the relationship.”
2019-01-19 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: EFF boss Cindy Cohn and McSweeney's editor Claire Boyle · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“If you think it's in your business movie, it's like, oh, he's doing it because of his business. I'm like, yeah, good. I don't care. No, when competition works for you, that's the best kind of competition, right?”
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“Well, that's why they didn't, but that's why we need to have it, right? I mean, I think it's pretty easy to track what would be best for you right now by looking at some of the things that have the big companies worried because they're the big privacy violators. Not all of them. I mean, Apple's been pretty good on this. I don't want to tar across the board. Either do that.”
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“Well, here I think there's a lot of efforts to try to dumb it down, and then there's our efforts in the ACLUs to try to bring it back up again. The biggest thing for us is a private right of action. That is, if you can have all the privacy rules in the world you want, but if nobody's actually empowered to protect themselves, they're going to end up being paper or only as good as the California Attorney General wants them to be, which is can be good, but could be really bad. So we really think that people should be empowered to protect their own privacy. And that includes taking somebody to court when they violated your privacy. And that's critical to us to get added to this bill. It was something that was in an earlier version that got stripped out in the end. Yeah, well, I mean, a few good lawsuits will change. That's what the big companies...”
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“Well, I have some dreams. I'm a really poor predictor of the future. I do think we're going to start to see the GDPR in Europe begin to have real effects. And the first couple of cases that the regulators picked to take are going to be really important and we've been in communication with them about some of the things coming down the pike. Those are going to be interesting. We've got to stop this copyright directive in Europe. That's a disaster. It's a filter machine. Here in the US, our California Privacy Bill needs a lot of work. And I think it's going to spur a very big push for a federal privacy bill. And the thing to watch for is whether it includes preemption or not. Explain that. If Feds, though, so preemption is when a federal bill comes in and it makes all the state bills not valid.”
2019-01-19 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: EFF boss Cindy Cohn and McSweeney's editor Claire Boyle · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Right. And then Right. So I want to finish up, Cindy. Talk about where we are politically right now with the Democratic Congress. Once they open the government again, if they open the government again, what do you see happening from a regular? You've got over in Europe they're overreaching in a lot of ways at the same time. Privacy is critically a much bigger deal there. So part of the things they're doing there, I assume you support part of them you don't. California has passed a privacy bill, which some people think was enough, but it's certainly the furthest along of any of them, and there's no national privacy bill. Where do you see it going very briefly? Where do you imagine we're going to go in the next year?”
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“It feels a little like that, or you know, or here's your car. Why don't you go out and research brakes? Right. And then, you know, then you can have them. And I think that we don't do that as a society. And we shouldn't do that here. And that's going to require political action. It's going to require legal action. It's going to require regular activism, the work that Soraya and others of my colleagues do where they're teaching encryption techniques to people who need that. We talk about privacy as a team sport.”
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“Yeah, and I think that that's really important. And I think that we can do it. I mean, we have grabbed a hold of ourselves as a country and we've solved harder problems than digital security. Absolutely. But we have to. We have to think of it that way. I mean, all the individual things that people can do are really important. But if the prevailing idea is that it's your individual alone responsibility, defend your house. Yeah. It is.”
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“I mean, I think that the thing that was most important to me, and I talk about it in the foreword, is that we don't just leave people in the valley of despair and that we talk about the way out. And I think...”
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“I think that there's a lot of realism in this. Like, we're not going back to flip phones. I got to have my Google Maps. I think that it was really important to us to have that realism. You know, we are moving forward. I'm deleted my Facebook. That's the start. Anything else?”
2019-01-19 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: EFF boss Cindy Cohn and McSweeney's editor Claire Boyle · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I mean, I definitely felt some sense of overwhelmed by all of this, you know, being This awakening to all of this. And then I went on a tear where I was just trying to educate everyone around me, get everyone on Signal, did a little work on that over the holidays with my family. But yeah, I think I right now I'm just so much more aware of it all around me. Like once we started right when we started editing this, I realized that it was everywhere. Like everyone is talking about this. This is not going away. So I'm in an education phase right now. I'm just trying to read everything I can. And I think that's the first step to this.”
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“Well, they know. Getting it deployed and getting it easy for people to use. It's more of an afterthought to them. I don't even think it's even malevolent. They don't even think about it. So what else is hopeful in the...”
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“Yeah, and that's, I mean, it's been 20 years in the making, but I'm very happy to have allies in the government now who understand the power of strong encryption. And former people, you know, we've been Michael Chertoff, who's the original DHS head is on our side. A lot of the intelligence agency people are, well, they know how important it is and they're not lying to people anymore about how important it is, which is great. But we need to have all hands on deck to try to build a more secure network, and we can do that. I mean, the technology exists. The technology isn't the hard part. It's getting it deployed and getting it easy for people to use.”
2019-01-19 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: EFF boss Cindy Cohn and McSweeney's editor Claire Boyle · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Right. These companies have outsourced the idea of keeping yourself secure to you. And that's why everything I'm on, people are like, what can I do to keep myself secure? And we have all sorts of things for them. But the truth is you need to write your congressman and tell them that it's time to start talking about making these information information fiduciaries. It's time to start paying attention to building secure systems. The police in this country should not be. Blocking people from having really strong encryption on their devices and on their systems. Well, that's good.”
2019-01-19 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: EFF boss Cindy Cohn and McSweeney's editor Claire Boyle · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yeah, I mean, WhatsApp still has really good encryption. I mean, the fact that the founders just left Facebook should keep us all, keeping an eye on it. But they use the Signal Protocol, which was originally developed. It's called OTR. So they use a good protocol and it's open source. And so those are the things that you can look at. But yeah, it is still too hard. It's been too hard since the 90s. I learned the other day.”
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“Some of it is so hard to use. Those are very easy teachers to use. No, they are. But I'm saying a lot of the stuff that you have is hard, the communication. Although it's gotten easier, like Signal and the others, although WhatsApp is owned by Facebook, like again, although it's encrypted. Yeah, I mean, whatsApp”
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“I really need to. Do these things. Encryption and just generally keeping yourself protected online, you know, passwords. Be careful what you plug in using all the awesome privacy badger and HTTPS everywhere and these things that EFF have created. Some of it is so”
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“Camera, oh, in the back Yeah, there's got to be a way you can do this. I bet Apple should do it. Apple should do something to make it easy. You have one so you can close it. But you can't close it. My always think is when I went to see Margaret Ziberton, he had everything covered. And I'm like, okay, if he has everything covered, I really need to have everything covered. So go ahead. So more solutions. So this is to deal with encryption and do these things”
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“I put one of those on my phone the other day, on my phone camera. Oh, on the back. The first phone conversation I had, I realized it was over the speaker too. Yeah, there's got to be a way you can do it”
2019-01-19 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: EFF boss Cindy Cohn and McSweeney's editor Claire Boyle · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“So, not just tape on your computer over the points. But that was my first step. Yeah. It was a very easy first step that covers the camera. Yeah, we had those camera covers. Yeah, I know. I think I have yours.”
2019-01-19 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: EFF boss Cindy Cohn and McSweeney's editor Claire Boyle · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“To kind of weave in these solutions and this feeling that we can pull this back up together. So Surykuda does a really wonderful piece that's about encryption and it's kind of like a how-to. With a bunch of different steps of things that you can do to protect yourself online, just like really basic, easy things. But also kind of talking about the importance of encryption. So not just tape.”
2019-01-19 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: EFF boss Cindy Cohn and McSweeney's editor Claire Boyle · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Sure, yeah. Anything that was something that was really important for us when we were putting this together is that it felt like we were not throwing a bunch of, you know, my mom, I talked to my mom the other day and she just said, your quarterly is making me very anxious and unhappy, but she hasn't finished it yet, so maybe she'll feel empowered by the end. But yeah, so we wanted.”
2019-01-19 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: EFF boss Cindy Cohn and McSweeney's editor Claire Boyle · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“That's the, I think, you know, and the government of Sweden does this, governments do this kind of analysis of each other that is sophisticated and careful, and it takes them all year and a huge amount of time on the ground to be able to understand what's going on. You know, Facebook's trying to do it, frankly, I don't think they could ever have the resources to do it well. And even if they did, they'd be behind the times. This is why we need a model other than censorship as a way to respond to the bad things that happen online. The censorship model will always fail and it'll fail in ways that hurt marginalized voices. And one of the other pieces of the censorship thing I know we're not talking about right now, but is that, you know, we have been tracking this for a very long time. And if you don't pay attention to power and how power works with the big companies and the people who are speaking, then you'll miss how censorship really works. Censorship always disempowers the people who are marginalized. And that's why you go to Twitter.”
2019-01-19 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: EFF boss Cindy Cohn and McSweeney's editor Claire Boyle · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“It's a very hard thing to do. You know, the United States Department puts out a report about the human rights status of all the countries in the world. They have a dedicated staff that is on the ground in countries all around the world, and they come out with their country reports every year. They get it wrong too.”
2019-01-19 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: EFF boss Cindy Cohn and McSweeney's editor Claire Boyle · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Well, I think that's right. Except I think that one of the things we have to do is we have to get away from the idea that there's just one. We have to really start pushing on a decentralized web. There needs to be multiple places for people to speak. There needs to be multiple ways for people to do it. And the idea that one big company, the New York Times today has a story that is very consistent with the work that we've done over the last 10 years, tracking how badly the big cloud. No, they're inconfident and immoral at the same time.”
2019-01-19 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: EFF boss Cindy Cohn and McSweeney's editor Claire Boyle · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Because that's another one that's really problematic. That's a story in the New York Times about who I don't think they can manage it. That's my feeling is that it's unmanageable the way they've built it and it's grown to this proportion that it's unfixable by anybody.”
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“Walking away with the money in the middle. My friend Corey Doctorow points out that the growth of the digital platforms really coincided with the abandonment of traditional antitrust principles in the United States and this idea that the only thing that matters is whether consumers have a financial harm is not the original antitrust idea either. It came out of the late 1990s and has become, I think, a real problem for talking seriously about the problems of the big platforms right now.”
2019-01-19 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: EFF boss Cindy Cohn and McSweeney's editor Claire Boyle · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“No, they didn't have to. I mean, the surveillance business model, which really wasn't the first business model of the internet, it really came up in the 2000s, this idea that the way I always say, you know, Moses didn't come down off of a mountain saying the surveillance is advertising as the business model of the internet. It wasn't even the first one. But this business model has resulted in a lot of things that are problematic for people right now. It's resulted in these gigantic databases. It's resulted in this gigantic gathering of data about us that's now being mined and used. It's resulted in the tremendous power of the tech companies. I mean, there's an interesting research now coming out about who gets that advertising money. And is it really the case that consumers are benefited by the marginal difference in targeting compared to the amount of extra money that advertising are spending for that marginal bit? And the platforms are just”
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“Everybody gets to speak. The distance, the physical distance between you and your loved ones now makes no difference in how close you can be to them. I think that that's a piece of miracle that the digital networks brought that sometimes we all take for granted now that I can just pick up my phone and I can be talking to somebody on the whole other side of the world and we can have a real conversation. I don't have to wait for the mail or hope that it all goes through. So these things are all still with us. You know, what's happened is that we have slid away from the idea of a decentralized system to one that is increasingly centralized and there's a lot of bad benefits from that. I think the other early thing that I kind of call one of the original sins of the internet is we didn't build a secure system. We built a tremendously insecure system and so the data breaches, the data leaks, the kind of surveillance governmental surveillance, which is something I've spent the last dozen years trying to do.”
2019-01-19 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: EFF boss Cindy Cohn and McSweeney's editor Claire Boyle · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Well, you know, I think that the reality is that more people have access to a microphone and a voice that can reach everyone in the world than ever before. So, you know, to a certain extent, the internet did succeed on one of the things that made it really exciting for us.”
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“Which apparently the first link was green, I think, but they turned blue. It was blue for sure right at the beginning. But this was like a very utopian idea at the beginning of the internet with all the rainbows and the globes and all these icons and that the blue is this holdover for this utopic idea of the internet, but it's kind of been used in this nefarious way to mask what has changed and mask these big tech giants who are doing this.”
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“People who study the eye and how the eye works, and she talks to You know, people who put news together, people who she talks to everyone across the board and she talks to people who, you know, designed the internet from the get-go. And it was kind of came up at this conclusion that everyone, she jumped from person to person came up with the same idea that blue is trust and blue is safety and blue is health. And linked it back to these early attitudes when the internet was just a little inkling of an idea, these kind of”
2019-01-19 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: EFF boss Cindy Cohn and McSweeney's editor Claire Boyle · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“They were all wonderful. So I think one that I really dove into and what's really interesting for me to work on was the piece called The Digital Blues by Jennifer Cabot. And Jennifer Cabot is a writer, a nonfiction. As Iist, who took this year long quest to figure out she was just aggravated by this question of why everything in the digital space is blue, all the icons, all the links, all that everything is blue. Why is blue everywhere? And it's this really awesome piece that chronicles kind of.”
2019-01-19 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: EFF boss Cindy Cohn and McSweeney's editor Claire Boyle · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Well, we might have levers if we wanted to pull them, but I think that the idea that merely engaging with any country, but certainly China would lead to better human rights abuses has been thoroughly disproven.”
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“That story is just, let's just say, as people who are technologists and scientists, I believe in evidence-based decision making. There is no evidence whatsoever that engagement with the Chinese government has been an improvement for human rights. That was the story about most nation stations. That's been the story over and over again that data is clear that engagement does not bring better human rights. So if that's your tool, you need a different tool.”
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“Cisco. It was built by an American company. What is the responsibility of American companies for building repressive tools that other governments should use? There's another big debate around Project Dragonfly, which is great. EFF is older than Google, and we were in the mix when they decided to go into China the first time. And in the mix when they decided to come out, and now the, you know, at least temporarily, it looks like they're pulling the plug. But I think companies and American people here are building a lot of the technologies that are being used or training them. We have to have a serious conversation about what does it mean to be repressions little helper. Although, you know, their argument is.”
2019-01-19 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: EFF boss Cindy Cohn and McSweeney's editor Claire Boyle · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yeah, and I just think that it's tremendously troubling. I think we do have to start getting some handles around what are we doing with artificial intelligence, what's okay to do with it, what's not okay to do with it, what are the rules. California, right? They did away with money bail, and now they're trying to use these risk assessments that are based on flawed police data. And the answer isn't more data, right? The answer is you just can't use machine learning for certain kinds of decisions. For China, the other issue for, I think, Americans to take seriously is, you know, the Great Firewall of China was built.”
2019-01-19 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: EFF boss Cindy Cohn and McSweeney's editor Claire Boyle · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yes, it is. And that's, in fact, I had Kaifu Lee talking about that. He said China's going to prevail because it has just more data. One of the reasons Google might be wanting to, Google denies this, but I don't believe them, that they want to go into China because they need more data. Because the Chinese companies are beating them on that issue.”
2019-01-19 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: EFF boss Cindy Cohn and McSweeney's editor Claire Boyle · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“All of the driver's license and identity cards data from the government of Zimbabwe so that they could train up their systems on black faces. So one of the things that we hear a lot about artificial intelligence and the kinds of decision-making, machine learning decision making is, well, you know, the answer to a problem to the system is just more data. But that ought to be really frightening to people. Yes, it is. And that's, in fact, I had Kaifu Li talk about that.”
2019-01-19 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: EFF boss Cindy Cohn and McSweeney's editor Claire Boyle · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Real concerns here, and they can point the ways to some things that are especially troubling. I mean, I think that our ability to control what happens in China is pretty limited. It's important that we pay attention to it. But for instance, one of the problems that they had in China with their facial recognition system was that it, just like the facial recognition systems here, it really does a really poor job of recognizing people of color. What the government of China did, at least according to the news report I read, is they went to the government of Zimbabwe and they bought”
2019-01-19 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: EFF boss Cindy Cohn and McSweeney's editor Claire Boyle · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Who decides those things? What do you think of China right now in terms of, because one of my things I talk about a lot is that one of the, again, when I interviewed Mark Zuckerberg, he's like, well, you may not like what I'm doing, but what they're doing in China is worse. And so I called the Jier Me argument. And I'm like, I don't like either of you. I don't like him more, but I definitely don't like you either. And it was a really interesting question. It's like, should we let China run the next internet age, essentially? And this is a country that just absolutely does surveillance, probably better than any other country at this point”
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“Was there a sense of why they're allowing it in China? I think it's going to come here. I think there's already things happening here with a lot of companies that do this in order to get credit. Now, credit's always been that thing. There's a whole problem with credit scores. Of course, people are unfairly. And so they're like, well, make it better. We'll make it so we can look at your social fee. We can look at this. It probably does make a better judgment of whether you're going to default on a loan or whatever they're trying to give you. But at the same time, it adds more and more data that may be misconstrued of whether you're to other things. There's one issue of getting a credit and there's another issue of how you behave as a citizen.”
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“And is now happening in the real world. I really didn't, it sounds science fiction. I actually didn't believe it the first time I heard it. Which is essentially that everything you do if you show up late to work, if you jaywalk, that all gets put into, is being watched, being recorded, and being folded into your score. And that affects if you can buy movie tickets, if you can get visas, if you can whatever it may be, like that will. Affect how you interact with the world. And so it's already being proven to change behavior dramatically. And I think a lot of people touched on the fact that that's not inconceivable. Yeah. Was there a sense of”
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“Everything. So they are big, but there's a lot of other companies that have access to this data that do stuff with this data they're doing. So, I mean, it's important to talk about Google, but it's also important not to get to myopic because even if Google didn't exist anymore or wasn't doing anything bad with them, there's a lot more companies. So we have to think a little more, I think holistically about what's our approach to our data and what are the models we want to think about for our data that we want to apply to the big guys that we see, but also the lot of the big guys that we don't see.”
2019-01-19 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: EFF boss Cindy Cohn and McSweeney's editor Claire Boyle · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Google has double click. And so Google itself is collecting a bunch of data, but double click, which is the ad network, is collecting a huge amount of data. And from lots and lots of places, we have a tool that EFF builds called Privacy Badger, where we help protect people against third-party cookies and other things. And my team there does a lot of analysis of who's doing the most tracking. And Google by far head and shoulders by far because it's about 80% of what you do online is trackable by Google at this point. Right.”
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“For sure, in terms of the consumer collecting of the data, there's a lot of AI being sold, though, to back-end companies. Your data doesn't just stay in, you know, I mean, Facebook, Amazon has a tremendous amount of data on all of us. They're pretty jealous of it. Facebook will say they don't share it, but they kind of de facto share this, all the information you would need to get. They say it's selling.”
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