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Claire Lehmann

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first: 2018-08-29
most recent: 2018-08-29
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“Something that I landed into as an accident. So there isn't an actual pathway to get to where I've come. I would say to anyone who wants to have an impact in the media space is to probably not study journalism or media, but study something where you get some scientific training. It might be economics, it might be psychology, it might be biology, but I think people who have some kind of scientific training and can bring that training to communication definitely have an edge over those who have gone through journalism, school and may have only taken English courses. I think if one can understand statistics and read scientific papers and can couch arguments in a scientifically literate way, then their skills are going to be in demand, I think, because there's just a Scarcity of people who can do that at the moment.”
2018-08-29 · Conversations with Tyler · Claire Lehmann on Speaking Freely · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Well, I think that creative solutions are always superior to destructive solutions. So I'm encouraging people who are disenchanted with media or with universities to think about building their own institutions. So, I mean, it's difficult for people to imagine setting up a university. However, people can set up book clubs and reading lists and websites where they encourage sort of academic type material. And I think anyone who's cynical or disenchanted can, if you can come up with creative ways to, if you imagine a learning environment that would be just how you wanted it to be, why not create it? Why not give it a go and build what you want to see in the world?”
2018-08-29 · Conversations with Tyler · Claire Lehmann on Speaking Freely · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Possibly, we already have all of those policies, but because the Aboriginal population is so small, it's not really a political issue because Aboriginal individual receives some kind of affirmative action. No one's missing out. No one's going to miss out on a university place because of it because it's such a tiny minority population anyway. So it's really a non-issue.”
2018-08-29 · Conversations with Tyler · Claire Lehmann on Speaking Freely · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I think for people who want to be clinical psychologists and working with actual clients, which is not all psychologists, but for people who want to be clinical psychologists, they should start working in a mental health setting much earlier on. So at the moment it's in Australia at least it's three or four years of coursework and heavy course load in statistics, which is important, but you don't get into a clinical setting until your fifth or sixth year. And I think that's too late. I think students who want to be on that track should start working in a mental health setting earlier.”
2018-08-29 · Conversations with Tyler · Claire Lehmann on Speaking Freely · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Cognitive behavioral therapy is known to be an effective therapy, but I am aware that because it's much more difficult to standardize other therapies like extended talk therapy, because we can't standardize them, it's hard to measure their effectiveness. So there are things in psychology in the therapy side of things that could be quite effective that we don't know about because we can't accurately measure. So I think there's a general just because there isn't evidence doesn't mean something isn't working. I think we should be more aware of that absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.”
2018-08-29 · Conversations with Tyler · Claire Lehmann on Speaking Freely · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Well, just backwards and forwards, so I might think that inequality is an important topic that we need to focus on reducing. And then I might listen to another argument and think that it's poverty that should be the central metric that we should be looking at. And inequality doesn't really matter. So I find arguments on both sides of that debate to be compelling. And I don't really know where I stand, but I know that I changed my mind on that issue quite a bit.”
2018-08-29 · Conversations with Tyler · Claire Lehmann on Speaking Freely · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Well, I changed my mind. On issues to do with the welfare state and inequality and whether inequality is the right metric to be looking at or social mobility, I changed my mind on that issue quite a lot.”
2018-08-29 · Conversations with Tyler · Claire Lehmann on Speaking Freely · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Yeah, I think so. I mean, you'd have to assess a piece of writing on a case-by-case basis, but I think some of the best writing that is coming out at the moment is by people under pen names”
2018-08-29 · Conversations with Tyler · Claire Lehmann on Speaking Freely · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Well, I would defund departments that encourage students to use too much postmodernist jargon. So I would clear out a lot of these studies courses, cultural studies, gender studies, critical race studies. Not that the content shouldn't be taught, but a lot of these schools really train students in poor writing skill like poor writing techniques using opaque jargon to express ideas and not putting emphasis on clear thought logical thought. And yeah, I would clear them out, just stop funding altogether.”
2018-08-29 · Conversations with Tyler · Claire Lehmann on Speaking Freely · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Think there would be too many. And the other constraint would be that we wouldn't receive enough pieces. We wouldn't receive enough articles and there probably wouldn't be enough writers for us to commission to produce the kind of work that we're after. But, you know, we could scale up a little bit more and commission more writers, but I don't think to the level of having a staff of 20 editors, I think that would be too many. And then the internal communication would break down and then there would be power plays amongst people. And yeah.”
2018-08-29 · Conversations with Tyler · Claire Lehmann on Speaking Freely · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“So, the biggest constraint is time. So we have My time but also the time of my two co-editors because they have judgment that cannot be replaced or substituted. I can't just ramp up by hiring a whole bunch of people to replicate the work that they do because it can't be replicated. The real constraint is the talent and the time of the individuals that I have at the moment. That being said, it would be very beneficial for us if we had more proofreaders, more sub-editors and more administrative support. But when it comes to making decisions about the submissions that we get and then helping authors refine their work, that skill level can't really be replicated easily.”
2018-08-29 · Conversations with Tyler · Claire Lehmann on Speaking Freely · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Leadership and managing is somewhat a common sense you either have it or you don't, I think. But you can fine-tune certain techniques and articulate your vision more clearly and that kind of thing.”
2018-08-29 · Conversations with Tyler · Claire Lehmann on Speaking Freely · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Well, building up social capital is a big part of it. So I've developed friendships with people sort of loose affiliations with people over the years. And so being able to draw on those affiliations when a certain news story comes up. For example, when the James DeMoor controversy broke, I was able to draw on some friendships that I had built up over the years. So we were able to publish a piece straight away on that topic. Things that I've had to invest in is, well, I now outsource a lot of the editing work to professional editors. You have to be aware of your own, the limits of your own competence. So my competence stops that proofreading. I'm hopeless proofreader.”
2018-08-29 · Conversations with Tyler · Claire Lehmann on Speaking Freely · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“So courage to express ideas without qualifying them in all sorts of disclaimers and weasel words, clarity in prose, being able to structure an article. So structuring an article is extremely important. A lot of people have a good prose style and have interesting ideas, but their articles just go on and on and they don't really have much of a narrative structure. So if anyone has the ability to have a story arc in their article, that's an instant indicator that that person's, that writer is a winner.”
2018-08-29 · Conversations with Tyler · Claire Lehmann on Speaking Freely · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Australian fiction. I haven't read any Australian fiction in some years. But if international listeners aren't aware of Patrick White, he's probably our best novelist that we've ever produced.”
2018-08-29 · Conversations with Tyler · Claire Lehmann on Speaking Freely · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“One of our deputy old deputy prime ministers, John Anderson, has been having conversations with people from around the world like Jordan Peterson and Jonathan Haight. And I think he's really trying to move discourse in a more intellectual open. He's trying to bring back these long-form discussions and grapple with the big ideas.”
2018-08-29 · Conversations with Tyler · Claire Lehmann on Speaking Freely · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Have some great designers who do swimwear and resort wear in that kind of thing. Zimmerman is a great brand which is known all over the world, but I don't know what it is about them that's particularly Australian. Probably they're just, yeah, I'm not sure how I could characterize it as Australian.”
2018-08-29 · Conversations with Tyler · Claire Lehmann on Speaking Freely · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“There were some interesting groups back in the 80s that I've been listening to. Recently, a band called The Go Betweens and the Church. And we had a really cool underground music scene a couple of decades ago. I'm not sure what's going on at the moment, though.”
2018-08-29 · Conversations with Tyler · Claire Lehmann on Speaking Freely · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“A movie called Lantana, it had Jeffrey Rush and it has interweaving narratives of different couples and it explores themes like trust and openness in marriage and it's just a very well crafted film. It was made recently probably about 10 years ago or 15 years ago.”
2018-08-29 · Conversations with Tyler · Claire Lehmann on Speaking Freely · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Over Badly designed, hard to get around. You need a car to get around, so very poorly designed, and it's cold You mean veggie much?”
2018-08-29 · Conversations with Tyler · Claire Lehmann on Speaking Freely · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Basically, what I've just described how someone can be a visionary entrepreneur and take all sorts of risks in their career, but then be very timid when it comes to anything political and sort of rocking the boat when it comes to social issues or just expressing a dissenting viewpoint.”
2018-08-29 · Conversations with Tyler · Claire Lehmann on Speaking Freely · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Well, I have been surprised by how there is this culture of risk taking, particularly in business, and you celebrate entrepreneurs and courage in making money and that kind of thing, but there is a general timidity when it comes to expressing one's honest views about things. I find that surprising, and particularly among people who are risk-taking in all sorts of other domains, they might not be risk-taking when it comes to just expressing their feelings about a particular topic in public. I found that surprising.”
2018-08-29 · Conversations with Tyler · Claire Lehmann on Speaking Freely · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“While Adelaide's a smaller city and it was founded by some pioneers who had experimental ideas about social life, so South Australia was the first state to give women the vote. There was a visionary architect, a city planner who designed the city. I think just the fact that it was smaller and so Sydney and Melbourne have They're very competitive cities unless you go to a private school, unless you have the right family network, it can be difficult to really be socially mobile. But Adelaide, because it was smaller, all you really had to do was do well in school, get into university, and you could quite easily be socially mobile. It didn't really matter who your family was and where you came from. And so just because I think being a smaller city allowed me to be ambitious and to not feel constrained basically.”
2018-08-29 · Conversations with Tyler · Claire Lehmann on Speaking Freely · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I don't think so. I really don't think so. Mostly because what I sense from being here is that there's a lot of fear of rocking the boat and offending one's friends and then if you have co-workers who have certain political inclinations you don't want to upset them by expressing one's honest opinion. I sense there's a lot of social politeness and social sort of etiquette that prevents one from being sort of just unashamed of having a view.”
2018-08-29 · Conversations with Tyler · Claire Lehmann on Speaking Freely · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Tough guys are good. Yeah, I have not actually considered that, but if someone proposed that, I wouldn't disagree with it.”
2018-08-29 · Conversations with Tyler · Claire Lehmann on Speaking Freely · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Yeah, yeah, and I hope that it remains a part of our culture. I mean, Australia is a dangerous country that the people who colonized and settled Australia had to be tough. The outback is right there. It doesn't take long to drive out of the city and you're in the outback and it's a harsh environment. And we have a very strong sporting culture because we have fabulous beaches. So the masculinity is very much tied up with being physically competent.”
2018-08-29 · Conversations with Tyler · Claire Lehmann on Speaking Freely · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I think there's a difference between political correctness and being left wing. I think one can be left wing and not be politically correct. And Australia to be left wing simply means to favour more redistributive policies and to favour egalitarianism basically. So we have a strong history of egalitarianism in our culture. There are lots of left-wing people in Australia who are not politically correct in our characters. So in films and TV shows, like if you think of someone like Crocodile Dundee, He's not politically correct, but he's not right wing. He's just an Aussie bloke who goes out into the bush and fights with crocodiles. So there's not this dichotomy where if you're anti-PC, you must be right-wing. We don't really have that black and white kind of setup.”
2018-08-29 · Conversations with Tyler · Claire Lehmann on Speaking Freely · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Where your entire life is, the campus environment. So that's another factor. We don't have a history of policies such as affirmative action to get into university in Australia. You just have to score, it's based on a tertiary entrance rank, which is a score out of 100, and that's just based on your final year academic results. No extracurricular activities are considered.”
2018-08-29 · Conversations with Tyler · Claire Lehmann on Speaking Freely · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Well, I think the fact that they're public makes a big difference because students are not paying vast sums to go to university in the first place. So students have less power. If you're a student and you make a complaint against a professor in an Australian university, the university is just going to shrug its shoulders and you'll just be sort of walked out of the room. So students have much less power to make complaints and have their grievances heard. So that's one factor. Another factor is we don't have this hot house environment where students go and live on campus and have their social life collapsed into their university life. Most students in Australia live at home with their parents or move into a sharehouse and then travel to university where they don't live on campus so there isn't this compressed”
2018-08-29 · Conversations with Tyler · Claire Lehmann on Speaking Freely · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Has backfired and part of the problems with polarization is because generations of scholars have been complacent about its impact.”
2018-08-29 · Conversations with Tyler · Claire Lehmann on Speaking Freely · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Matters because people who go through elite colleges and go into the professions, particularly in journalism and law, are often trained and inculcated with these theories. And so if you're thinking about the next generation of professionals, particularly in the media, and law is not far off, if you're thinking about next generation of professionals who have been trained to be skeptical of objective methods and have been trained to view social phenomena through simplistic narratives of impression without looking at the complications in the data and that kind of thing, then it's going to have a toxic effect. And I think we can already see the results of that, particularly in some of the biggest media institutions. And I think being complacent about the effect that post-structuralism has had, particularly in the humanities,”
2018-08-29 · Conversations with Tyler · Claire Lehmann on Speaking Freely · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“So I think the setting up of women studies departments in the 1970s was a big mistake because if you look at other humanities disciplines, I mean, they've been developed over hundreds of years and they History has its scholarly foundations in things like the dialectic, and then you've got philosophy and even English literature had a solid grounding and a very long history. But if you create departments virtually overnight, as they did with women's studies, when theories come into become popularized by the departments and the departments don't have a very strong solid grounding in scholarly principles, then there's going these faddish theories such as poststructuralism and deconstruction are going to be able to take root much more quickly and easily than they would in some of the older disciplines such as history or philosophy.”
2018-08-29 · Conversations with Tyler · Claire Lehmann on Speaking Freely · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Yeah, I think it comes back to communication. So any message can be communicated effectively if you take a narrative that perhaps has some kind of, so there's something like six narrative structures that are known to elicit emotional reactions in people, like the hero overcoming obstacles. That's like the most basic narrative framework. If you want to present a political argument, Have to be able to put your argument into some kind of narrative structure that elicits an emotional reaction. And I just, I think libertarians have been, because they're very rationalist and systematizing, they're skeptical of the utility of narratives and manipulating people's emotions.”
2018-08-29 · Conversations with Tyler · Claire Lehmann on Speaking Freely · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Ah, well, that's pretty straightforward, I think, if you look at the personality data on libertarians, they tend towards being more systematizing in their cognitive profile. So women on average tend to be more empathizing and agreeable. Arguments around political issues that are based on quantitative reasoning and just facts and logic without an emotional layer to it are going to be less appealing to women. And I've said to libertarian friends that if you want to be more appealing, get your message across in a more appealing way. You need to wrap up the ideas into a story that has an emotional component.”
2018-08-29 · Conversations with Tyler · Claire Lehmann on Speaking Freely · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Ah, while YouTube is fascinating, it's the second most visited website in the world behind Google. It's much more popular than Twitter. I think it's more popular than Twitter. Than Facebook. If you look at just what is viewed the most often, you'll just get kids watching other kids play video games, you'll get makeup tutorials. In terms of political discourse, I think you're getting the same ideas that you will see on Twitter, but just reduced to a more simplified, reduced into sound bites. So you'll get classical liberal ideas, but you'll also get the right-wing nationalist ideas, but reduced down to slogans and sort of, I mean, to present a good YouTube video, you know, has to be sort of theatrical and entertaining. But on the other hand, we've got this situation where someone like Jordan Peterson can present hour-long lectures on complicated topics and Joe Rogan and Dave Rubin have very long interviews.”
2018-08-29 · Conversations with Tyler · Claire Lehmann on Speaking Freely · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I think the difference is how New Zealand was founded and the colonial settlers signed a treaty with the Maris straight away, so that set the stage for better relations from their inception. So I don't know the history very well, but I do know that there was a fierce fight against the colonial settlers. And then they came to some kind of truce and the colonial settlers signed an official treaty with the Maori. That didn't happen in Australia, so it was just more of a case of stealing the land and committing atrocious crimes against the indigenous people and taking a very long time to coming around to accepting that that needed to be dealt with and acknowledged. And we still don't have a treaty with the indigenous people in Australia. There's a huge contrast, there's a huge gap with the way that it was done in New Zealand and the way it was done in Australia.”
2018-08-29 · Conversations with Tyler · Claire Lehmann on Speaking Freely · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Filling up professions and very hardworking and have immediately go into the highest income brackets because we poach a lot of very talented people from all over the world to come out to Australia. I think that helps when it comes to things like assimilation and acceptance, that's for sure.”
2018-08-29 · Conversations with Tyler · Claire Lehmann on Speaking Freely · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Well, people will debate this question, but I'm quite persuaded by our former Prime Minister John Howard's perspective when he says that the people of Australia will accept very high immigration if they feel that their border is controlled. So he brought in this policy whereby anyone arriving by boat was turned away and boats were basically stopped by the Navy before they could arrive. So his general thesis is that you can have high immigration and the voting public will accept it if they feel that it's done in a controlled manner. So I think that's one aspect of it. Another aspect is that we also have skilled, very high skilled immigration. So it's very noticeable that our immigrant communities are”
2018-08-29 · Conversations with Tyler · Claire Lehmann on Speaking Freely · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Blessed so in Australia because our immigration is different, our immigration policies are different to the US in that we have very high immigration, we have closed borders and we have very tough policy on asylum seekers so our policy is quite different and so immigration is always a topic and it always comes up before any election. It's not an internet thing. It's out in the open and people talk about it on TV and in the newspapers quite openly.”
2018-08-29 · Conversations with Tyler · Claire Lehmann on Speaking Freely · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I'd have to look at the data and the numbers to make an accurate judgment, but I think that classical liberalism is very strong at the moment through the internet and then the nationalists. So people who identify as right-wing but are opposed to free trade dogmas and who want to question immigration, basically.”
2018-08-29 · Conversations with Tyler · Claire Lehmann on Speaking Freely · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“That's right. Yeah. So there's many different types of right-wing ideology that are coming through via the internet. There's lots of people now self-identifying as classical liberals and they're identifying with the English tradition of individualism, free market trade and civil liberties. And then when you go further out, there are young people who identify as reactionary or Catholic traditionalists. So that's having a resurgence through the internet, strangely enough.”
2018-08-29 · Conversations with Tyler · Claire Lehmann on Speaking Freely · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Yeah, definitely. I mean, I know with myself, I live in Sydney, but I know that plenty of people in New York and San Francisco are reading our platform. And because there's no barrier to entry, you don't have to have a PhD. You can just have some talent, be a good writer with some insights and you can be viewed or read just as much as a New York Times columnist. So I definitely think it's flattened out the hierarchy. And the interesting thing is how the internet has made the right, particularly among younger people, the new counterculture in a way.”
2018-08-29 · Conversations with Tyler · Claire Lehmann on Speaking Freely · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Probably not because our audience is the highly educated urban audience and our audience is not sort of mainland America where people go to church and that's really not who I know the people that I know and it's not who we're aiming for.”
2018-08-29 · Conversations with Tyler · Claire Lehmann on Speaking Freely · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Yeah, yeah, but what I know and what I come up against in my life is left-wing political correctness because I live in an urban center and I mix with people who are doing their PhDs and I have friends who are academics and I'm interested in open inquiry. And so if you restrict open inquiry on universities, then I'm going to start paying attention. But if you're talking about on a national scale, it's probably right-wing political correctness that is a bigger problem.”
2018-08-29 · Conversations with Tyler · Claire Lehmann on Speaking Freely · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Yeah, okay, so I mean, of course there are dogmas on the right as well, questioning patriotism, questioning certain dogmas around economics or the free market. So in Australia, we're quite secular and we don't really have a very strong Christian conservative contingent, but I imagine here in the US it's completely different. To question certain religious orthodoxies would just be unthinkable and certain communities.”
2018-08-29 · Conversations with Tyler · Claire Lehmann on Speaking Freely · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Well, I think the sensible left is necessary and important and people advocating for marginalized groups and particularly lower socioeconomic groups is very important. So I think having anything that destroys the left altogether is a bad thing. The way I think about it is imagine that being progressive or being interested in social justice or being left-wing is a form of a belief system. The stuff we're talking about is the fundamentalist version. So you can have a faith that is moderate and on the whole functions well for the people who believe in it. But then when you get into the extremes and it becomes fundamentalists, that's when you get the trouble. And I think what we call social justice warriors are like the fundamentalists of the progressive.”
2018-08-29 · Conversations with Tyler · Claire Lehmann on Speaking Freely · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Something to do with the internet and the way the media has had to adapt to this new business model where you have to drive lots of views, like lots of hits, millions more than you would with the newspapers. I think it's something to do with that. But that's probably just one variable in many other factors.”
2018-08-29 · Conversations with Tyler · Claire Lehmann on Speaking Freely · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Yeah, yeah. And so that's when Camille Palia was talking about PC and Robert Hughes had a book, The Culture of Complaint. I've noticed in my own life that I started noticing political correctness around the year 2007 at the time I thought it had something to do with the business model of internet publishing. So that was when Gorka and the blog Jezebel was really popular. It was established in 2007 and then it got very popular over the next couple of years. And I just thought that there are a lot of clickbait kind of articles promoting these really simplistic black and white kind of narratives of oppression. And unless one had sort of reasonable critical thinking skills, I could see how young people could be influenced by that kind of content coming out. And so I think this.”
2018-08-29 · Conversations with Tyler · Claire Lehmann on Speaking Freely · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“That's a good question, and I don't know if I have the answer. I know that there are lots of debates around political correctness in the early 90s, for example.”
2018-08-29 · Conversations with Tyler · Claire Lehmann on Speaking Freely · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Well, no, it's not offensive, I can understand why a Mormon person might find it a little bit offensive. What we have to remember with these new rules around identity and social justice culture is that they're not evenly applied and there's an asymmetry. So whether or not you can be offended by something depends on what identity group you belong to. And being a Mormon would not qualify as being part of an identity group that is entitled to feel offended by slights. So Jonathan Height has identified about seven victims groups who are entitled to feel offended. So women, blacks, Muslims, I think indigenous or native peoples, LGBT, and perhaps immigrants would be another one. So if you don't belong to one of those identity groups, these rules don't apply.”
2018-08-29 · Conversations with Tyler · Claire Lehmann on Speaking Freely · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source