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1. “Oh, I think campaigns are tough, whatever gender you are. And it seemed to me that the treatment was pretty equally awful in campaign, which is one reason. Maybe nobody really wants to run. But I would just say if you're contemplating running for office, just recognize that we put people through a brutal process. And they don't come out quite the same.”

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2. “Well, it's not up to me, but I would say to Oprah, be sure that you really want to be a politician. You know, there's a funny thing that happens. When your Secretary of State or you are out there representing the world or you're a celebrity, you're out there representing the world, everybody gets to make a blank page of what they think you would look like as the president. only focus on those characteristics that they want to see in the presidency. Now you're running for office. And all of a sudden, you're not that person who's just a blank sheet of paper that I can draw my own ideal president from the characteristics that Condoleezza Rice or Oprah Winfrey or for that matter Hillary Clinton.”

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3. “Because you have to know your own DNA. And I've been around the process enough to know that I love policy. I don't love politics. And to think that there are other ways, better ways for me to do public service. But I admire those who do want to run because heaven knows somebody's got to.”

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4. “Unknown in history. There's something awkward about male female relationships anyway. And what I really don't want to happen is I don't want it to get to a place that men start to think, well, maybe it's just better not to have women around. I've heard a little bit of that, and it worries me.”

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5. “To be one that somehow belittles the response that other women might have made because we're all different. I think that the movement to expose these circumstances is a good thing. Let's clear the air about it. I do think we have to be a little bit careful. Let's not turn women into snowflakes. Let's not infantilize women. I still want my students and I want women to be able to stand up for themselves and say go away. Don't even think about it. And so I want people to sometimes give people the benefit of the doubt. You know, a rather awkward approach to a woman is not”

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6. “Yeah, and I also made sure that some people knew that this person had said that so there were ways to handle it. But I don't want my own response.”

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7. “Although I was an untenured faculty member. Who had a very senior person say something to me and suggest at least that this was, and I simply said no, and they made happy.”

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8. “Well, let me just say though, I kind of grew up a little bit differently. My father, I remember, said to me, you know, if somebody doesn't want to sit next to you because you're black, that's fine. Let them, as long as they move. And so I was sort of taught to handle these things and to say, just don't go there, right? You don't want to go there. I don't want to go there. Go away. But that's how I was raised. Not everyone has that.”

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9. “Oh, I've certainly had people say inappropriate things. I've certainly had people suggest that maybe we should just go out and, you know, in situations in which it was somebody more senior than I. And I've never faced a quid pro quo, an explicit quid pro quo. But I don't know a woman alive who hasn't had somebody say or do something that was inappropriate at best and aggressive at worst.”

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10. “Your message was very powerful. There was a lot of talk about 20% turnout and so I think Alabama did the right thing. I could not imagine Alabama sending Roy Moore to the Senate. When your senior senator, Senator Shelby, for whom everyone has a lot of respect, says he couldn't vote for Rory Moore, you ought to listen. So I was flat for Alabama, and Alabama's come a long way. We'll see what it means because Alabama is still a deeply conservative state.”

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11. “Just being a politician. But on the issue. To have it get to the point that it became about whether or not you support the flag was a problem. And I said to a group of young football players with whom I met, I said, look, the fact is people come to watch you play football. They didn't come to watch a protest. And they come with their families and they've spent their entire week's salary on one of those expensive NFL tickets and they want to enjoy the game But the impetus to want to say something about these events, I think, was a good one. I just think that the message got lost in the means that they chose”

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12. “I understand, and look, I appreciate that these young men want to send a message about the fact that we've still got a lot of work to do in race relations, in community policing, and the like. I fully understand that. But when you want to lead on an issue, you find a way to do it in a way that doesn't isolate people and turn people off. To lead is to bring people to your point of view. And unfortunately, this became not about what they wanted to say, which was very important, but about whether you support the flag, whether or not you salute during the national anthem, whether or not you respect the sacrifices of those who served under that flag. And so I think it became Counterproductive?”

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13. “And so don't say that poor parents shouldn't have a voucher or parental choice or charter school because it will ruin the public school systems unless you're willing to send your kids to Anacostia.”

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14. “Well, I'm all for improving the public schools, but I want to be very clear here, because this is something I feel very strongly about. I don't understand the argument that let's be fair, we have an opt-out system in the public school system right now. So if you are of means, You will move to a district where the schools are good. You'll move to Palo Alto where the schools are good. You'll move to Hoover, Alabama where the schools are good. You'll move to Fairfax County where the schools are good. If you're really wealthy, you'll send your kids to private schools. So who's stuck in failing neighborhood schools? Poor kids.”

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15. “With no way out of the worst neighborhoods is going to get you into a bad situation. And the color of your skin is going to contribute. Because when the police go into that neighborhood, they're already going to have certain assumptions about what's going on there. And so if you're in that neighborhood, you're at risk. And so poverty and race are really toxic Being uneducated and black is really toxic. And that's one reason, by the way, that when I hear people talk about school choice or vouchers and the like, the kids that are suffering in our bad public schools are mostly minority kids. I want them to get a way out.”

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16. “I just don't buy it. I don't buy that race relations are worse. I do say, and this is perhaps a good thing about us in America, we don't want to accept a circumstance in which they are not dramatically better race relations, in which we don't start moving toward a colorblind society. We don't want to accept that. And that's good for us. But we have to recognize that we have come a very, very long way. We have to recognize that in everyday interactions, blacks and whites do just fine. But we do have some circumstances that are making it very difficult for us to continue to improve. For instance, There is no worse mix than poverty and race. To be stuck in an inner city, you live in Chicago. You know what it looks like.”

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17. “How do you process that? I just remember the night of the church bombing asking if I could sleep in my parents' bed because my parents were my refuge. We got through it. We got through it with family. We got through it with faith. But it was frightening. I remember when we had the Annapolis Peace Conference for Israel and Palestine saying at the end of that conference, and I'd been given some points to be made, you know how it is. And I thought, no, that's not going to work. And I said, you know, I know what it's like for an Israeli mother to go to bed at night and not know if her child is going to be the victim of terrorism because my parents faced that. But I also know what it's like for a Palestinian to be in a circumstance where a parent has to explain why you can't go on that road because you're a Palestinian and not somehow let it reflect that you're a lesser person. And I think that Birmingham in its own way gave me insight into”

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18. “Well, I had grown up in this very loving cocoon, really, at Tittisville, the little part of Birmingham that we all lived in. Everybody was a schoolteacher. I think there was one lawyer and one doctor. Education, family, faith. That was the mantra in that community. And my parents always said there are no victims because the minute you think of yourself as a victim, you've given your control of your life to somebody else, so you might not be able to control your circumstances, but you can control your response to your circumstances. And in 1963, we couldn't. We couldn't control our circumstances, and we couldn't control our response to them. And so the bombings in Birmingham and the”

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19. “Well, again, I would advise the president not to use Twitter in this way. I would say to the president, Mr. President, not every slight has to be answered. I do know that this is more the rule than the exception in Washington these days, not just in the White House. And I know that it's more the rule than the exception in too many of our institutions.”

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20. “Responsibility, and I would advise him not to do that. But he is not the only problem here. This nature of our discourse has been going downhill for a good long time. And we as Americans need to figure out what our own parts in it happens to be. What role am I playing in it? You spoke about how President Bush treated President Obama, and I said to Valerie Jarrett at one point, I said, you know, we owe you our silence. And it was hard, David, to sit through some of the things that were said about the Bush administration. No, it was hard to sit through people who said, well, you know, they led from fear. Well, if you were president of the United States on 9-11, you better believe you led from fear. And so it has to go to all of us to look inside and say, what role do we play in this?”

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21. “In some of our institutions most devoted to the free exchange of ideas. And so I saw President Bush as speaking to this degradation of a civic culture. By the way, I'm a big fan of social media and so forth, but it adds to the ability to agitate, and I think we've got that problem.”

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22. “Well, I will tell you that he says that this was about the environment in Washington, not at the president, but the environment in Washington. And obviously the president has a role to play in setting the tone in that environment. But I feel, and I believe I won't speak for him, but I think he feels this way. civic discourse has been going the wrong way for a while now. can't see each other as political opponents without seeing each other as political enemies. We can't see each other as having different viewpoints. We see each other as somehow being morally bankrupt if we have different viewpoints. And it's not just in Washington, David. You see it in universities. You see it in our”

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23. “The inward turning. Right. The inward turning is a real problem, but I'll tell you something. When you look at the Middle East today and you look around the region and you say, would you rather be a rocky than Syrian? Yes. Because the Iraqis actually have a government that as weak as it is, with as many sectarian problems as it has, is accountable. People do go into the streets and protest. They do have a free press. They do have elections. And so I think they're better positioned to deal with the problems ahead. And that, I hope, will be the legacy for all of the people who lost their lives.”

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24. “Right. Well, with the caveat that, of course, what you do today can only be affected by what you know today, not what you can't affect what you do yesterday. Yeah, I don't know because I think the weapons of mass destruction we just didn't know. We thought they were there. I would have to go back and try to think through how were we thinking about it. It wasn't just the weapons of mass destruction. It was the weapons of mass destruction in the hands of Saddam Hussein, who'd been such a cancer in the region. And I will tell you that I do think that Iraq and the region are better off without him. But when I think back on all of the lives lost,”

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25. “Yeah, well, a little bit, but I watched him in meetings with Cabinet Secretaries go right to the point that the Cabinet Secretary had failed to raise. So people never really”

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26. “It takes confidence, but I'll tell you something. People misread it. You asked me what do people not know? They don't know how curious this man is. Is, was, is. They don't know that he probably read five books for every one that I read when we were in office. That one of the most uncomfortable moments for me would be up at Camp David. I've been traveling all over the world. It's been really tough. And we're at dinner and he'll say, so we're going to go around and ask what everybody's reading this week. And of course, he was reading something on the latest, on the pandemic. He got very interested in how pandemics spread. We were about to deal with avian flu. So he got very interested in that. Or he read something, a book about Teddy Roosevelt, or the ninth different book he'd read about Lincoln. And I was reading the same book every week because I was never having a chance to read. That's how curious he was. I watched him.”

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27. “Understanding of America and what it is and what it stands for and why it's different and why it's unique and why it's extraordinary and why it's had something to say for the last 70 years about the course of human history in the world. We also shared a sense of humor and that helps. We found the same things absurd. We were both deeply religious and I think that helped too.”

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28. “I was his Russian specialist during the fall of the Berlin Wall, end of the Cold War. And we stayed in touch after he left office. And in August of 1998 already, he said, you know, my son's sort of thinking of running for president. I'd like you to come out to Kennedybuckport, spend a few days with him. I'd met George W. Bush before, but I hadn't really spent time with him. And we spent a good deal of time with him and his father fishing. I sat on the boat. I didn't fish. But talking about China and the Mexico and Russia and so forth. And so it started early. And we went through the campaign together. And we went through the ups and downs of the campaign together. But I think what really connected us was that we had the same view of America. People think you have to have the same view of foreign policy. But really to be a good president and a good Secretary of State on foreign policy, you have to have a”

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29. “Well, as a bond that goes back a long way because when I worked for George H.W. Bush, I got to know the family and it was actually President George H.W. Bush that asked me to come and spend some time with your son.”

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30. “No. I don't think that it is seemly for people who serve in an administration, who serve in a White House to talk about, first of all, White House operations in that way and about the President of the United States that way. I don't admire it.”

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31. “Yeah. And those are your line people. While any business person can understand that if you don't have line officers who are overseeing the various units, you've got a problem. So if you're the Secretary of State and you're worrying today about what's going on in Syria, and that's really taking all of your time and effort, you've got to have a Latin American Assistant Secretary who's worrying about Venezuela. And in Africa's Assistant Secretary who's worrying about whether Kenya is going to survive its latest difficult election and so forth and so on.”

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32. “For deputy. Yeah, and I just think the personal process is pretty difficult, pretty narrow straw through which people are being vetted. And no matter what reorganization you have in the State Department, you're going to have an assistant secretary for Latin America. You're going to have an assistant secretary for Europe. appointing those positions is extremely important.”

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33. “Well, a president who's never been anywhere near the government before, who's never even sniffed the government. And so I think it's different. By the way, one reason that some of us thought that a secretary of state who came out of a different environment where the president was clearly tired of us, those of us who were part of the foreign policy establishment, and as a business peer might be a good choice. I want to say one other thing, though, about what's happening at state. I do think, too, that there have been some problems with the White House in terms of the personnel process.”

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34. “And I think there are people raise questions, and when people raise questions, you need to find a way to reaffirm that. And so I find Rex to be doing a quite remarkable job under circumstances that are unusual.”

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35. “Well, I think there are two things. The first is I don't think you have a real consistent message coming out of the administration on some of these important issues. And there is White House tend to be very strong in the first administration, but I think that it almost always works better when the Secretary of State is the key spokesperson for the American government and for the United States of America.”

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36. “And so some of its education. Some of it is also, I take some responsibility for this. People have come to associate foreign aid and indeed democracy support with what we did in Iraq and Afghanistan. And they say if it's going to be that hard and that messy and that long arrived, maybe it's something we shouldn't do when really those were security issues that we were dealing with and the question of what to do with those governments afterwards was a question after you had overthrown dictators. Much more often foreign assistance is more modest. The goals are more modest. And the yield is great. And the yield is great. And so I think trying to get people to see that it's helping a Liberia with Ebola maybe gets the conversation back in the right place.”

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37. “Well, it is. But first of all, you have to educate on foreign aid. When you ask the American people, how much do we spend on foreign assistance? They'll get numbers as high as 20 or 25 percent of the budget. And of course, depending on what you count, it's someplace between one.”

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38. “No, not a 30% cut, but I will tell you as having been the Stanford budget officer, there is no budget that can't take a 10% cut. And use it well. And so I think to look again at how we're spending some of the money makes a lot of sense. But I think we'll get to between what the administration has proposed and what the Congress will actually appropriate will get to a good level. My point in the book, and this I would argue very strongly, is that foreign assistance, particularly to try to help create stable, more democratic, more capable states is cheap money, is a cheap proposition compared to what you have to do when states fall apart.”

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39. “It's not going to happen. It's not going to happen because of the same separation of powers we've been talking about. The Congress has its aid. The Congress will always remind you that they actually authorize and appropriate. The administration proposes. I would be the first to say that a zero-based look at the State Department budget is not a bad thing. I will tell you, David, that I found in some of those nooks and crannies programs that had long outlived their usefulness. And you think, how are those still being sustained?”

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40. “The Secretary turns to how he wants to think about the service, the foreign, the State Department going forward, that I'd look really hard at trying to get people back into the queue, because I'm much more worried about that.”

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41. “Well, first of all, there are an awful lot of very good officers who remain. I would talk, for instance, about Tom Shannon, who's acting as P right now. It's one of the best diplomats of his generation. And so I think you have an awful lot of institutional memory left. I'm actually more concerned that we seem not to be bringing people into the service. You're going to get an age hump pretty soon if you're not careful. If you don't bring people in and people leave, you're going to just have a middle with no ends on either side. And the numbers of people applying for the Foreign Service exams down, it's always tough to bring in minorities in particular, underserved minorities into the Foreign Service. And so I really do think that when”

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42. “I really am not inside. It's been 10 years since I had any access to how we might think about what the North Koreans are capable of doing with their artillery. I suspect that you're looking at a really catastrophic circumstance if you actually do have war on the peninsula. But the military is right to look at the options because the idea of a North Korean regime with a nuclear weapon capable of reaching the United States of America is one that I don't think any president of the United States can tolerate.”

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43. “They don't want people flowing over the border. They don't want that perhaps we might even unify North Korea the way that we did Germany. Now they have American troops on their border. They have all kinds of nightmares about the collapse of the regime. But I think what the administration is saying to the Chinese is that's not your choice. Your choice is a nuclear North Korea, the collapse of the regime or war on the peninsula.”

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44. “I do think in his own And by the way, that is not a bad thing. And I think it has gotten the attention of the Chinese as well because the Chinese, and let me just turn to the Chinese for a minute with the North Korean issue, the Chinese always thought, well, we'd rather have the regime in power, even if it means a nuclear, North Korea.”

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45. “But I just want to make sure I make clear I don't think negotiating with the North Koreans right now is going to get us very far.”

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46. “Look, I can't imagine that happening. All right, just again, I can't imagine it happening with the president that I served. I'm quite sure it wouldn't have happened. I think what Rex Tillerson is doing is just working the diplomacy, just keeping his head down, going to work every day, and working the diplomacy. And I think he's making some progress with the North Koreans. Now, it may be that what when the president says you're wasting your time negotiating, he's probably right about that. If you're talking about trying to find a way probing a little bit with the North Koreans, that's probably a good thing.”

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47. “Which they're trying to do now. And so you have to be very careful that you don't get into bilateral negotiations with the Chinese or bilateral negotiations with the Japanese or with the North Koreans without really fully integrating the South Koreans who, of course, have the most at stake.”

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48. “Which is a real disincentive to tell him the truth. So I worry about those aspects of him, but I've seen in his recent moves a cleverness that I find interesting. And by the way, we tried the six-party framework with China in the chair, Japan, Russia, the United States, South Korea, and North Korea. I think it's one reason that you want to make this multilateral diplomacy. What's just happened? What the North Koreans love to do is to drive wedges between the various parties. And perhaps”

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49. “I think Kim Jong-un is turning out much more so than I thought to be actually pretty clever. The approach to the South Koreans was clever. The decision to go to the Olympics is clever. And so this is somebody who understands his interest. Now, I think he is more isolated than his father was because the Chinese have said to me, and I have no reason not to believe them, that Kim Jong-il, his father, remembered that the Chinese had saved his father when we crossed the Yala. And so there was a connection there. That Kim Jong-un is a different character. I fully believe that, perhaps certainly more reckless. I wonder sometimes if he really believes it when people, when he says, I can destroy the United States because anybody who tells him something he doesn't want to hear, Seems to get killed. So maybe.”

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50. “Nuclear war is a very serious deal, but I think people would be mistaken to think that because the president has an ill-advised tweet, we're about to have nuclear war with the North Chin”

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