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Cookie Johnson

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  1. “You know, it's interesting because we play with it a lot, you know, and he's very supportive of me being my own woman. And doing my own thing. And so when we talked about that, and I brought it up to him, he was like, but it's really true. He's like, I like it because it's really true. And I was surprised because, you know, I thought he was going to say, no, this is about you.”

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  2. “And I lost it and said some things, and then he said some things. And so that was our first kind of spat in public kind of thing. And then I left. I got my friend took me home. I just left. And then we had a conversation about it at home afterwards. And, you know, we both have felt like we were just kind of growing in two different ways.”

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  3. “Be by your side every moment. So you all have that kind of relationship. Right. But this particular time, it was like, you know, I don't want to, you know, I don't want you dancing with me. I want to dance with these people over here. I'm always, you know. So that kind of got to me because, you know, it had been boiling, boiling, boiling, boiling anyway.”

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  4. “Hollywood Walk of Fame. Yeah, and then it just kind of came to a hit for me, you know. And we were at the party and he was dancing with some girls and I was walking out. I was like, okay, so let's dance together or whatever. He's like, and what you established?”

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  5. “Yeah, in another world, you know, in another world, like he was always, you know, the people at work are getting together to watch the football game or we're at work, we're going here and we're doing that. And then he started going out with them more, you know, going out, partying and stuff like that.”

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  6. “Yeah, and so it kind of pulled us apart a little bit. And on his side, he was building his business as he was getting bigger and bigger and bigger, you know, and his eagle was getting bigger and bigger. So it just all became about work for him. You know, everything was about work and how great we're doing and this and that. So then he would just, he was always. He was creating another.”

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  7. “I know. How did that happen in the tabloids? I didn't get that story. Well, because it was really quick. It was like two weeks. Okay. Yeah, it was two weeks. But yeah, you know, as a marriage, you know, transitions and the journey goes on. What happens is sometimes the wife and the kids kind of move this way and your husband and he's out there working because you were a mother. And I wasn't working at the time. Yeah. So I was most all into mothering.”

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  8. “So for him, it's more about fashion than it is about transitioning. Right now, it's more about fashion. And he's never mentioned that to me that that's what he's interested in or wants to do. If he came home.”

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  9. “Yes, so I had to pray about it. And so this was one of those moments where I had to go directly to God. And I prayed. And God, you know, the answer I got back was love. And he said, you know, I give you all great gifts and the greatest of that gift is love. And so that's when I knew I could love my son and support him on who he was. And, you know, and I was okay with it because I made peace with God with it So I'm”

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  10. “That was a very hard thing for me. That was a very, very hard thing for me. I tried everything, but... Finally, I just said to myself This child is innocent. He was like this when he was a baby it can't be wrong. It can't be wrong.”

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  11. “Very next day, he went and grabbed him and he told him how sorry he was. And he told him how much he loved him. And he said, no matter what, you know, I'm getting tears of mine. He said, no matter what, I am going to always be here for you. He said, and he said, it was just a shock to me and I didn't know how to react to it. And I'm so sorry. Know and then they both cried and hugged and then that was that was it from that day forward we were both so here's the big”

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  12. “Says I'm disappointed. Irmin, you know, I said Irvin, I can't believe you did that. I said, because you got to remember he is who he is and he's going to be who he is. You know, you can't change him like that.”

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  13. “A little bit of tears, just a little bit on my part, mostly. EJ held him back a little bit. I could see the sadness on his face. But he left.”

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  14. “Tell your husband. Yeah, after I had that conversation with him, I said, I'm going to go tell him because he needs to be okay with this too. So I talked to Not at first. Not at first, not at first. So he brought him in the room and he told him he said your mother tells me that you might be gay and he said so I just want you to know that that's not my first choice for you and I'm not really happy about that. But if that's really who you are then okay, I'll accept it, you know, but I just.”

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  15. “Confirmed for me, yes. Moms know. And you know, and when a child is like that from the very beginning, because then you start going back to three years old, four years old, five years old, he never changed. And so I pulled him aside and I told him, I asked him about it. And he said, I said, I saw you watching that guy. I said, so do you like boys? And he said he just looked at me, he got really quiet, and he didn't know how to answer me. I could tell he was thinking. And he said, finally, he said, yeah, maybe. And I was like, I said, it's okay if you do. I saw you and I'm okay with it. I'm just letting you know that it's okay with me. You know, and he said that is the biggest fear.”

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  16. “Yeah, by that time he was an adolescent, he was probably 12 or so. And I saw him with one of his friends and they were sitting in the chairs. And, you know, that's around the time when they started looking at boys and girls and whatever, I think it was 12 or 13. These boys walked by. And I was sitting behind them. I don't even know if they knew I was back there. And the boys walked by and he was like, oh, I like that. And I'm thinking, where's the girl? That was a boy. Okay, so this is it. He's not going to change. He hasn't changed.”

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  17. “Want their kids to. Yeah, they have to live in that limelight. They have to live in that, and it's too hard. So when he saw that he didn't have a problem with that at all, you know, he said, let him do what he wants to do. But I don't think he realized at that time that what he wanted to do was be where girly stuff and be girly.”

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  18. “Going, mommy, look, look at the colors I picked them for you. And I'm like. That's what I knew. Okay. And my husband said, okay, stop.”

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  19. “Look at the colors. Look at the things, you know, and he would start touching things. So like he would, if I had this on, he would have come over and look at the prints and feel the fabric. And, you know, he loved things like that. My mother wore like full skirts then because that was in style and he just loved and he wanted to wear a skirt like her and twirl around it all the time and he would say granny put on that skirt and let's let's twirl let's dance you know and she would twirl around with them you know”

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  20. “Was wearing right, yeah. This was about three years old, and it was after his glasses. The minute he got his glasses opra, he just started walking around the room like, oh my gosh.”

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  21. “From the word and leaning on those words and using those words all the time. And even though Oprah, I know I said, you know, that my husband's going to be healed and I believe it and I still believe that he is healed 25 years later. Of course, there wasn't this big miracle where it's completely gone, but God can heal people through doctors, through medicine. The medicine was...”

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  22. “They taught us the proper way to pray. They taught me praising him and how if you praise God that he comes down, you know, he inhabits the praises of his people. So when you praise him, he just comes down and he's right there with you. And right in the midst of you. And, you know, I didn't know any of that until I started going to Bible study and started studying the Bible. And understanding the word.”

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  23. “How does that show up for them? That's right. But how do you use it? Yeah. Like, and how do you develop? I had to learn, I had to understand too. And that's what my friend was telling me. You have to learn to develop a relationship with God, you know, not just with religion going to church, but with God himself. Develop a relationship with the two of you and how you do that, you pray and you praise. But I didn't know that until I started going to Bible study. And they teach you that.”

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  24. “Yeah, I started then. Yeah, I didn't used to go to San I always went to church. But it was religion. I went to church. You know, on a Sunday, and I felt like a good girl, you know. But this meant. You got to dig in deep.”

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  25. “God got me through it and deepening my faith. And reading the word and understanding, you know, like when you want God to give you a miracle, you have to understand how to get that miracle. You can't just say, Lord, give you a miracle and it's just going to happen. Like, you can, but, you know, you also got to work for it in a sense. So you have to understand his word and what does he say about faith? So you find out that that's one of your scriptures that you can hold on to when you're believing for a miracle with health or something like that when you want to be healed. And so you learn, I learned all those scriptures and those promises that God has.”

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  26. “That deep love that we had in the beginning because I met him as Irvin, not as magic. And he was that fun loving, very generous guy with the big laugh and a big smile and the big eyes. That is who he is. That's who I fell in love with.”

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  27. “You know, he genuinely did love me and I genuinely loved him from way back, which is why we kept coming back to each other. But it's just that.”

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  28. “But we also have to remember too that with HIV and AIDS, you could have been with somebody for 10 years ago. And it could have been that person. So you have to call people Years You know what I'm saying? So at what point are these old relationships? Are they new relationships? I don't know. I didn't ask all those questions.”

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  29. “And then he had to trust me also. So yes, I did trust him and think that I didn't think he was out there doing all that. No. And then if he was, you know, when things came up, we broke up, you know, whatever, when things happened. But you can't have a relationship without having trust So you have to say to yourself, I just trust him.”

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  30. “Well, here's what I had to do, which I think most women, at some point you're going to just have to do it. You have to assume a certain amount of trust. So I decided to trust him I decided to trust him. And yes, I trusted that he was not out there doing all that.”

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  31. “No, you know, it's really interesting, Oprah, because it's like with our relationship being long distance most of the time. It was like when we were together, everything was peachy cream, everything was great, you know. When we weren't together, it's not that I said, hey, go do whatever you want to do. No, we had a real relationship. It wasn't like that.”

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  32. “I would say that would not be like a wake-up call for me. It would take a couple days to call off. Yeah, yeah. In that part I didn't like much. That part hurt, you know, a little bit.”

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  33. “No, I have to tell you it was a little bit of both. But you know, I never, because you're in the midst of it and we're talking life and death. I never thought once that I didn't want to be with him, but I didn't want to love him. I didn't want to stay married. Never once did I.”

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  34. “All of it. All of the above. All of the above. But the first thing, of course, you're thinking of a miracle for, you know,”

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  35. “And then I just, you know, I don't know, I just grabbed him and I hugged him and, you know, we hugged each other and we just cried together. And it was silence. And then he pulled himself back and he said, you know, you can leave me if you want. I totally understand. I would not want to put you through this. And that's when I was like, I just kind of like stepped him and said, are you kidding? No, I love you. We're going to figure this thing out. We're going to figure this thing out together. And then the next thing we did was we got on our knees and we prayed and we asked God for a miracle and asked God to give us strength to make it through this”

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  36. “Well, he said he took a test, so he was waiting. We gotta wait until the test comes back. But I got to take you tomorrow and get you tested. Then that was another fear. Like, oh my God, you know, myself. And then I thought, oh my God, I'm pregnant. What about the baby? You know, and it was just like, It took every strength in me to keep standing.”

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  37. “What could it be? Yes, you know? And he came in slowly and he just, you know, he said, I don't know how else to tell you. I'm just going to tell you. And I'm like. And it's so funny because I literally joked and said, What you gotta tell me you got AIDS or something? You know, I literally joked and said that. And he was like. I have HIV, the virus that causes AIDS. And I was just like, oh my God. It was like time stopped. I like froze. You know, I'm standing there looking at him and I couldn't move. And a moment later, like tears are flowing down, and I was like, are you sure this is, you know, did they make a mistake? And he said, well, I'm going to, I have to go to the doctor tomorrow to double check.”

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  38. “With the coaches. Is it something with the team? He didn't like his coach. I didn't know. And then I thought, well, Is he sick? Maybe he's sick, you know, because he did say that he had to go see the doctor. I was like, what is that? I didn't know. I just fear just started, you know. Taken over me, and I just didn't know what to do, and then I got the phone call. And it just, you know, I don't know. And I just had.”

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  39. “It was crazy. You know, I thought. Is he gonna like is it the marriage? Is he gonna break up with me again? What is it, you know? And then I thought,”

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  40. “Totally tied to him. Totally tied to him. And so that's when I said, you know, I just started praying on the Lord, you're going to have to help me with this. And one day I was talking to my girlfriend who was married to a player also, and she told me her story. And she said that when she went through that, that she just, she just... Decided that she needed to connect with God. And she said, and what you have to do is you have to figure out and then find out what is your purpose in life and what makes you happy. Focus on you.”

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  41. “You thought your whole entire world was crushed. And at that point, that's when I had to reach back and find God. God was always in my life. I was always going to church. I used to go to Bible studies sometime in high school. Then you kind of went away from it when you went to college, you know, hanging out and whatever. At this point, I was close to a nervous breakdown, I felt.”

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  42. “Totally, publicly hinted. Yeah, and then, you know, like, how do I show my face at work? Yeah. And after you've told everybody, it's like your whole world is crushed.”

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  43. “In the beginning, it was when we broke our first engagement. I was devastated. I was definitely because you know it was announcement the whole world knew and I was just in the beginning stages of starting to plan the wedding so looking for church so you were humiliating”

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  44. “What that wants twice. But a lot of people didn't know that. I always say when people show you who they are, believe them, the first time, then the second time, then a third time.”

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  45. “No, but my life too from the very beginning, I just felt like he's always drawn me to him. And so I felt that, you know, I had to find out what my purpose was. What did he want me to do?”

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  46. “That you speak of Yes, it was. Yes, it was. And because I never could have made it through without that faith. Know and you know, and I could start telling you about the journey about that. But because God was all in it.”

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  47. “I have to wear my jeans, my cookie jeans. So go ahead. I'm sorry. Okay. So when I did my personal appearances, women would come up to me and say, I wanted to come say hello to you because you have no idea, would pull me aside. They didn't come just to see the jeans. They came to tell me that, you know, your story has inspired me. Your story helped save my marriage or your story. You know, I have a family member with HIV and your story helped us.”

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  48. “Well, first of all, it's just a good time for me and my life. You know, the kids are grown and I started my business. So, you know, I have my thing going on. He has his thing going on. When I started my denim line and I used to go around, I did personal appearances in stores and stuff.”

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  49. “Right. You know, that time was, it was a really scary time because the people had just started hearing about AIDS. And it's funny because they heard AIDS, but they never heard about HIV. Yes. You know, HIV is a virus that causes AIDS. We all thought it was the same thing. Yeah, you just go straight to its aid, AIDS, and it's death. So it was a scary time. It was a scary time for us. It was a scary time for a lot of people.”

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