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Dan Gable

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  1. I think it would have the question would be how would it feel if you lost the gold for me I already went through that once. Not at that highest level, but the National Collegiate Championship level. My senior year.

    2021-01-09 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #152 – Dan Gable: Olympic Wrestling, Mental Toughness & the Making of Champions · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source

  2. Scientific about it. Yeah, exactly. I learned the hard way early on there was moves from collegiate wrestling that you did that exposed your shoulders, which it cost me in some early freestyle matches against great wrestlers. But I would go back to my collegiate escaping type moves. Where I hit a Gramby roll where you expose your shoulders and you lose two points every time. But you learn that that's not the system. But if you hadn't wrestled much, you would get exposed under maybe a desperate situation. You would hit it.

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  3. I can't remember too many that I took that would actually put me in a danger position. I've taken risk, but the risks were so scientifically, technically correct, that I wouldn't land in that danger. It's like if I were to lock up and throw you, I'm not going to throw you to my own back. Roll you through. I'm going to turn in the air.

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  4. Yeah, but then he came back and he won, you know, rest of the matches, and he was in the round robin, and he was able to go to the finals. But he had lost another match, actually, against in the round-robin against the Japanese. I think. I had already gained enough of artistic being able to finish a match once I lost my match in college for the last two years I took on some of that artistic work and I think that he was already hoping to win. But he was hoping to win by a long ways because he had to pin me or beat me by eight points to be able to win the gold. And that wasn't going to happen. I mean, the chances of pin is pretty good.

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  5. And I know why they picked him because he had a great attitude. So he wasn't just the typical artist Was a good artist. He hooked elbows like Sajalaev, and he's from that area of the world where they have some of those types of moves. And he was a goer. Cutting him down a weight, he lost some of that go. And I don't know if you got to, that's a process you got to go about scientifically. And so, you know, if you don't do it as an American, it can really hurt your performance. If you don't do it as a Russian, it can hurt your performance. And they already didn't really do that a lot where usually Russell's a weight where it was more like your weight. And so by cutting him down, you know, it maybe slowed his belief down a little bit.

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  6. And she didn't have her top And that was pretty common. And so, you know, it's kind of interesting, you think back about it because There's some funny things that go on behind the scenes in Olympic Games, in world games, anytime when you have country against country. And so there's some crazy stuff that goes on.

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  7. I could usually solve it. Let's go back to the Olympic Games. So I get up in the Olympic in the morning and I'm not sure when the weigh-ins were, but I think I was probably a pound over, you know, and that's about a half a kilo and 1.1 pounds is a kilo because we wouldn't kilograms.

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  8. Over that situation, over it again. And I would come up with an answer. And then I would actually test it. Maybe I wouldn't go right back the next day because I didn't want the guy to not have some, I didn't want him to think that I was thinking about it all night. I didn't tell him. But maybe three days later when we wrestled again. I actually had it figured out because he wasn't able to, or even if I was in on a offensive move and I got stopped and didn't score, you know, I had to go back and filter that. But it wasn't something that... Usually I couldn't solve.

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  9. Kind of like what we're saying before if something happened and somebody scored on me in a certain way. I would go over that situation

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  10. Somebody could They were going for one move. All I wanted was one move, whereas, you know, if you can arrest somebody and wrestle in the whole practice or half a practice or at least ten, fifteen minutes, and they were maybe going to score. They could work it in their mind They knew that was going to be their victory.

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  11. Yeah, I knew I was going to win. But in reality, I didn't know it from a cocky point of view. I only knew it because for the last Three and a half years I had been going to practice. I'd win in every practice. I hardly ever lose a takedown. And if I lost somebody scored on me, It was like when I went to bed, I couldn't sleep until I figured it out. Or if I didn't figure it out, I would fall asleep. And I would wake up with the answer of what I needed why I got scored upon

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  12. Yeah, first of all, it was quite a day because we weighed in every day at that time. And that, yeah, we weighed in two hours before the start of the competition. And so that would mean that you wait in two hours for your wrestle because you didn't know whether you're going to wrestle right away or later on. In fact, in that day, I don't think I wrestled until later on in the evening, so had all day to recover, but I didn't really need it anyway because I wasn't really pulling a whole lot of weight. But just it was just interesting.

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  13. But then they would go down They would test on something else and go back up. Mine stayed high all across the board. And so I really didn't have too many flaws, but I didn't have any things that also said that you were going to be. Scored upon the Olympic Games.

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  14. And the coaches at the YMCA level, the junior high level, they saw this guy come first and end up last. But I wasn't that great. I wasn't the fastest guy at that time. And I wasn't the strongest guy. You know, actually before I went to the Olympics, when they tested me, they tested everybody. And I probably came back with one of the highest scores. But it was not like the highest. Person on this and this and that. I was all high across the board, straight across the board, high on every one of them. But there was always people that were higher than.

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  15. He's not going to stop. Well, he was out in the yard. And he was swinging baseball bats Know at six, at seven, at eight, at nine and ten, and he was swinging baseball bats. So much right handed and so much left handed with nobody even there throwing the ball. That all of a sudden, when they walk by, all of a sudden, the grass was down to dirt on both sides. So it's like They saw me out in the yard playing by myself sports. Or, you know, or you get the neighborhood kids and you'd play a lot. But if they weren't there, you know, if you walked in my front room, I was hiking a ball. Like I was the quarterback, and I was running through the furniture. You know, that type stuff. So, you know, who saw this guy mostly was probably the parents.

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  16. Forever, forever. Yeah, because I was, I don't know if you call it a dreamer or somebody that I was just involved with competitive sports at the YMCA from age five.

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  17. Most of the coaches, we don't want you drinking water at practice. And okay, why? Because you got to toughen you up. That's a weakness. Water. So we would go through practice, I mean, and you're sweating, and then you're sweating so much that you're almost out of sweat. And so you're mostly at the end of practice, you're not even wrestling, excuse me. You're setting against a wall. you're tired, so then all of a sudden they say, okay, drink water during practice, drink greater aid during practice. Then all of a sudden, at the end of practice, we're still out there competing. And so I look at my career for two and a half years where I junior high too. So I got another three years. I didn't really wasn't able to push as good as I could because I just was probably under.

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  18. Yeah, I mean, by tons of people. And it's pretty much common knowledge that you got to run a four minute mile if you're going to go somewhere now or below if you're going to win events at major level. You got to be able to do that. And so you can take that and you can look at what... In time history has as its record performance. And you can realize that that record performance is going to change. And they don't take into all the factors of knowledge. They don't take an all the factors of better shoes. They don't take in all the factors of better understanding of nutrition. I mean, it's like me as an athlete. I went to practice every day in high school for at least my sophomore and my junior in part of my senior year and all of a sudden a new rule came up Said the rule said before that said

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  19. The impossible is possible, it's just that simple. Time changes things. I mean, if you looked at where the mild time is right now. Compared to that four minute mile. Which, when it was broke by a couple tenths or three or four tenths. It's now broke by. Another 20 seconds

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  20. Exactly. And he went someplace that he thought he could fit into. And I think he did. And I think he's got a good job, and he's helping people. He's covered that tattoo with feathers, another tattoo.

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  21. I had a wrestling terminology. I hate to say this. I hate to say this. I go, where are you going? He said, I'm going to go to California. I go, is there any reason why you go into California? He says, that's Everybody goes to hide. But I said, I think you're wrong there, but I think what will determine your life will be what you do for no one. And he's actually turned it around.

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  22. I have to turn that suffering around. Where he makes him feels good about himself are better, doesn't have to feel perfect. He did lose And so, but you have to actually get him to realize that, yeah, he's still unique compared to the walk of the earth. He was unbelievably unique right at the top, just a little bit short of, but because it was. He felt the suffering. You now have to go about and change that and put it into goodwill some way. And because you really have a lot of goodwill, you can do a lot of goodwill. And so And it's not easy. It took him probably years. Years of tattooing. Years of covering the tattoos. And, you know, he told me move to Keller. I go, why are you moving to California? Because he was here for a couple years after his wrestling was done because he had a good job around here.

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  23. Yeah, again, you like that word suffering, which is okay. No, no, no, no, no, keep it. Keep it because it fits right in where I want.

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  24. You take him in as the coach, and there's something probably going to be said that you can do and act upon that's going to help certain situations. I've saved a couple kids' lives for sure that were on the brink. You know, sometimes performance is at such a high level in a high-level atmosphere. Life and death is actually involved. And I don't mean pushing a kid to where he just dies, but I mean he might feel himself as a failure. Might go home and take his own life.

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  25. You know how The first one there, and you're the last one to leave, and you sat in the environment with them. You're there in the morning for practice sometimes. You're there in the afternoon for two or three hours after practice. You might have a hot room or you might have a sauna or a steam or a whirlpool, and you get in there with them and you listen. You know, you're not just feeding out information. You do that, but you're taking in a lot of that too. And I'm telling you, when you get in an atmosphere that they're relaxed and they feel comfortable, it's like a massage. And that's after practice in one of those areas that people around you, you learn a lot. I mean, you got a lot to learn as a coach. And when you get in that atmosphere when all of a sudden you feel like very comfortable. Words start flowing. And when those words flow,

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  26. Because of the heat, because of hard work and all that. And you got to know when to back off. You got to read your athletes. And by that I mean, you got to know them pretty well. Every once in a while you make a little bit of mistake, but if you don't react right on that mistake before it gets too far, then it's going to be a casualty. And I don't mean somebody dying necessarily, but maybe something that could turn them off or maybe something that could run them away or maybe something that Wow, that was close. I maybe shouldn't have pushed them that far. So you really have to be very educated. And it's not just what you know. It's what you know about them. And I'm not talking about the team. I'm talking about each guy on the individual.

    2021-01-09 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #152 – Dan Gable: Olympic Wrestling, Mental Toughness & the Making of Champions · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source

  27. Yeah, but you can't push kids to their limit. And even when you push them to their limit, that's not their limit because their limits above and beyond that. I mean, yeah. Coaches sometimes accidentally don't lose kids.

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  28. Well, you're there ahead of them and you're there after they leave. It's that simple. I'm picking up after them and you're analyzing them. You outwork them. You outwork them and you outthink them. And so, you know, use that type of strategy. And over time, when you prove it works because some of my kids that were the best kids in the world Shouldn't have been a wrestler. I mean, there weren't very coordinated But they work so hard it developed themselves.

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  29. Everything. They just, you had to be the first guy there and the last guy to leave, and you had to be the most dedicated guy, even though they were the ones that's trying to win the championships. You had to prove that you were going to work just as hard as they were as a coach

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  30. Ropes and they drop down from the ceiling and they'll jump up and climb a rope boom boom boom and then they come down and then they don't jump right back on they have three or four other guys go and then they jump back on whereas I probably made my guys climb them get right back down climb them right back again but I also realized that I had to have a mix of that well

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  31. I think your pop and your, you know, your ability to move And timing and your quickness and your strength. You know, the Russians. They usually picked out. People that can go into that sport that was the old fashioned sports school, but it's mostly like when you see when you walk into a Russian wrestling room, you see him hitting skills, techniques. You know, you don't see him banging against each other that much. But then when practice is over, you might not see a bunch of sprints. You might see him walk over to

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  32. I think the common thread is that They all had one of those two avenues that we talked already. And because we intertwined them. So in a Russian wrestling room, they got the same people. Most of the time in an American wrestling room, we had the same people. But when I was out recruiting, at first I recruited just attitude. But I needed more than that. I needed some genetics in that wrestling room to actually Hard work people, they could look and see wow, that execution, that's unbelievable. But yet I can beat that guy after the first minute.

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  33. Got to study the best in the world. I think Dave Schultz was our guy in America that probably showed us that being artistic. You needed that. And he studied it. He went over there as a high schooler and rustled in some major tournaments over there. And he saw their ways. He used that Russian science and then he was already an American and he saw how I trained athletes. He saw what I did in the Olympics. He saw what other people, how we held up, and he applied that as well. But I'd have to say he was more of the artistic type. He was more of a Russian than an American when it came to wrestling.

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  34. Punishing people From that point of view, yeah, I might have been pretty good, but I had a long ways to go yet. And I didn't really realize that, or I should have say I didn't really know how to get it out of me until I had a loss. And then I realized I got to buckle down, learned some of that science, become more of an artist.

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  35. But I wasn't known for my art I wasn't known for my science. So, when did you become a bit of an artist? It took a loss. Most people thought I was already an artist just because I went 181 straight matches. The dominance in seven years. And not just winning, but.

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  36. You're persistent. I love that because you've been trying to get me on this podcast for a long time. And until I saw you on another podcast and you said you were Russian. Did I call you back? Then it was over because Russia to me, you know, is leading the world in wrestling. Almost every year. What's the difference between American wrestling and Russian wrestling? You showed me this painting. Well, it's MIT, it's science. It's science. And they really study the sport. They're really good technically. They're really, really good in strategy. They don't really push the real toughness. They don't push conditioning. Right. And so Americans, we need what they have. Russians need what we have. And when you get two together. And for me, why I could beat the Russians is because

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