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Daniel Ek

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“Yeah, and I believe that life is more fun doing the journey with other people around it than doing it in single player mode. And that doesn't mean that I'm not also a person that likes my own spare time, my own comfort, my own solitude. I have that part. And that's the duality in my personality. But I really do believe, and it'll go back to philosophy, but the more I give away, the more I get back.”
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“Yeah, but look, I mean, you talked about yourself. It started in your childhood. Like in my case, I grew up without a father, for sure, but I have the most loving mother. She gave me everything. And to have that start in my life, I've always felt that whatever I do, whatever the failure is, she will always love me. And to have that in your back pocket, I think it means you automatically come from a different vantage point than what I believe you had in your childhood, right? And then my approach to life is just like, okay, well, by, again, I'm not saying I have absolute trust in every person, but I choose to believe that trusting people makes for a much more fun, rich, and rewarding life than one that doesn't. And I believe that.”
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“I think that's one of what people that know me. So I have, I actually had breakfast with a good friend of mine and, you know, he's slightly older, but he's He tells me the truth, and he is very nice, but he'll point out the problems that are going to stop me from going to where I want to go. And one of his points, because I would answer like if I asked that question myself, I was like, I don't trust anybody. I think I'm getting a little better with that, but I am concerned that I'm going to be one of my own worst enemies because of this, I can't let go.”
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“The point being is absolute trust. If you really think about it, there's this sort of final gradient. Most people define it as this binary thing, but it really isn't. It's really kind of like what most people will say is either I trust somewhere I don't. But even let's say you do trust someone, there's degrees of trusting someone. How many people do you trust with your life? How many people do you trust with your bank account? Just handing it over.”
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“It truly is. And if you think about it, why is that so rare? It's because it doesn't scale, right? So trust is this notion that you'll keep doing actions that will ladder up over time. It really compounds. But you're going to add maybe 1% of trust for each positive interaction you're going to do. But it takes one interaction that's bad to ruin all of it. The moment where you even start doubting whether you can trust someone or not, you have no trust.”
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“He said something again, and he's another person where he likes things out that once he says it, it's obvious, but no one else does it. He goes, trust is one of the greatest economic forces in the world. And he talked about that your job when I actually got to have dinner with him. He's like, your job is to build a seamless web with reserved trust with great people. And he's like, that's not. And he was telling stories. He's like, everybody knows that I met Buffet when he was 28 and I was 35. They don't understand there's all these other guys around us. And we built friendships and did deals forever. Most of them had passed away by the time I met him. But that idea, it's like trust is one of the greatest economic forces in the world.”
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“It's crazy monger again. Like, I could literally get emails every week. They're like, why do you mention Charlie Munger on every episode? I'm like, the wisest person I've ever come across. What do you want me to do? Like, I'm sorry. He has so many good ideas.”
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“Because it's not easy to scale. And it's incredibly hard. It's the number one thing why most organizations break down and why you need processes and all the other bureaucracies ultimately because there's no trust. If you had 100% trust, you wouldn't need any of this stuff and you would move much faster.”
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“Gives me this mirror back where most of life actually doesn't revolve around technology or the business world, et cetera. It's like, this is the life. So that's a great one. I have a very dear friend Shack who very similarly placed that part in my life. He's the most realist person there is. My wife is another one. Gustav that you met is another person. He will tell me the truth even when I don't want to hear it. Yeah, I've been incredibly fortunate that like many of the people I just talked about are people that have been around me for 20 years. My mom obviously my entire life, but many of these people have been around for a very, very long time. And I think that's, you know, I really believe trust is one of the most undertalked about things.”
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“Many people, which is the good news for me, you know, it starts with my family, my mom. My mom is the most normal person you would be. She's proud of my accomplishments. But in sort of the standoffish way, she couldn't care anything about the impact of it. It is more like that I've overcome obstacles for myself that she knows matters to me. So oftentimes that's great. Yeah. And so oftentimes when I may bring an issue home because she doesn't really know what's going on in the business world and she doesn't really care, she kind of like.”
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“And I was struck by the fact that he didn't know himself at 25 or I think he was 27 when he started CA. Sure as hell knows himself as like almost an 80-year-old man. But I asked him about, you know, he's had some people I know have been friends with him for 25 years. And I was just like, what do you think has enabled you to maintain that relationship? And he said, He tells me the truth. He's like, you get into my position. Where he's famous, he's wealthy. Most of the people that he interacts with are on his staff. And he's like, it's very dangerous. And he said, He's like, There's not many people in my life that tell me the truth. Who tells you the truth”
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“What you're doing right, what you can fix what you need to do. He's like, I'm your oral mirror And then fast forward to when the book is published in like 1986, that paid critic is now the president of Sony. And I feel exactly this way. It's like we need a mirror. And I think what I'm curious about with you is like, I remember I just had dinner with Mike Ovitz. And, you know, I think his autobiography is one of the best entrepreneur autobiographic fees ever written because he tells you about the bad shit. The fact that he didn't like who he was. He was depressed. He was doing this, making bad decisions based on the opinions of other people, which entrepreneurs cannot do.”
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“So Sony is making audio equipment. It's like in the 50s. This is like. And they're very primitive devices. And what they realized was They hired a young vocal arts student, and I don't know how to pronounce the names, Naria Ogosh, something like that. And the reason they did that is because he was a fan of early Sony products, but he also had very fine, refined taste and everything else. And so he would just light them up about. Is like, I'm a big fan of Sony, but your products aren't good enough. You have all these deficiencies. And Akeel, being the genius that he was, he goes, we hired him as a paid critic. His job. Was to attack the deficiencies in our product because we don't even see them The paid critic, his point was that, hey, if you're a ballet dancer, you have a mirror, right? Your mirror tells you.”
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“I would say there's a very interesting idea and that I've noticed, you know, obviously like there's a smacks my say over and over again that all of history's greatest entrepreneurs study history's greatest entrepreneurs. And if you make a podcast on that, you get to meet the living versions of that now. And what I'm struck by, and I'm Picked away the first time we had dinner, and you're just like, You're doing this wrong. And you were very polite, but you're just like, you're lying to yourself. You're not like, you know, you're. Obsessed with this and you're like fighting with a hand back, but I'm so amazed it's exactly what you said. It's like It's almost like they need a mirror. So there's another great idea. I've seen a few times, one of the truly novel ideas. It's this idea of hiring a paid critic.”
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“No, I don't know, which is why I was asking you because I figured who's the person in the world that probably has a better idea of like all the different archetypes. Because I can still learn how to do the game better, if that makes sense.”
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“And as you say, it's like, you know, I think the game I'm playing now is just being the best version of myself. And the best version of myself is one that will have even more impact than the one that had before because it will be even more true to who I am”
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“Yeah, you are the sum of your accumulated experiences, right? That is one form of education, but the form of education is like. I know I went to your house, I rummaged through your library, made me kind of rudely. But I loved how you were obsessed with history and philosophy too. And I was like, Oh, this is a person that's he's curious about the external world. He also wants to know who he is, what's important to him. And then building a business and like an apparatus around that. So I just wanted to get that out because you mentioned something like I should probably talk about it more frequently, but something I definitely believe is like you're going to get better at entrepreneurship when you get better knowing who you are and what you actually want to do”
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“And so I have this belief that I think your accomplishments are freaking crazy. And I know you like to downplay them. And just because you're very polite and everything else. I was watching this funny interview with you. And they mentioned something like, you're the most successful person to ever come out of Scandinavia. And your face, your words were very polite, but your face, it's like somebody poked you. You're like, oh, I don't want to be like described. And your response is like, I know that face. I know exactly what you said. this idea that”
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“He also, he the way he says they build a company that's natural to them, right? And you can't build a company that's natural to you. If you don't know who you are.”
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“This is something I learned from Michael Dell's autobiography, which was excellent. I used to say it's like they build a company that's authentic to them.”
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“And then I was wondering what is this? Okay, well, obviously, like some skill sets so you can like practice more. You have more experience, so then you can make better decisions. You have a better network. You have resources. You have all that. But one thing that I believe that I cannot prove, but I believe with every bone in my body, it's like, Because you know they knew themselves much more. Think about the way you know yourself in your early 40s than you did when you were 23. Oh, yeah. It's like we thought when we were 23, you don't know anything. Even the most brilliant 23-year-old does not know themselves. That comes through time and experience. And it's just like, no, no.”
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“I had this theory too because it's obvious in the books, like there's this myth. It's like of like the genius young entrepreneur. Yeah. And if you go and read all the biographies, they weren't like laying about doing nothing when they were younger. But it's very clear if you look at all of them. Steve Jobs, Enzo Ferrari, Akira Marita, Sam Walton, Este Lauder, Coco Chanel, Edwin Land. They do their best work when they're much older. And so I thought a lot about them like, dang, this is like a reoccurring thing over and over again. Some cases in their 40s, 50 years old, and they're at the top of their game.”
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“That's literally what I just wrote down. So I don't want, again, this is more of a conversation interview because I'm a terrible interviewer and I love to talk. Yeah, I do a monologue show for sake.”
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“Being disillusioned because I realized obviously that it didn't work for me. And so this sort of idea of this archetype is like, I bet you that there's plenty of entrepreneurs out there that read about currently whether it's Mark Zuckerberg or Jensen or any of these things and they're like, that's not me. So I guess I'm not as good as them. And I can't do what they're doing. So clearly, I don't have it in me. I think you were spot on when you said it's like the hardest single thing really for a founder and entrepreneur in a much different way, I think, than a normal person. But I think every normal person goes through this is finding yourself.”
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“Well, I think, you know, again, as a young entrepreneur myself, I went through the book like so many of us by becoming enamored by an entrepreneur and looking up to them in many cases because they had traits that I didn't have. And so we read all these stories, whether it's biographies or articles about how they manage their company and how they live their lives and the routines that they have. And certainly in my case, like, you know, I certainly tried to mimic Steve Jobs. I certainly tried to mimic bases and gates and all of the great ones, the very charismatic ones like Howard Schultz of Starbucks. And I've learned from all of them. And in a way, I've tried to imitate them, right? Because I've thought that they were so great at what they do. But every single time I've walked away,”
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“But where are you like explain why you would even want to broach the subject of talking more about the different founder archetypes?”
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“There are And yet they're all kind of like narrowly focused on this is the one path and menu went over this back and forth before. It's just like, it's so ridiculous to say like there is this is the way founders should run their company because you said it back in 2021 in that series and Spotify, we've had conversations like this. This is something I always say it's like it's tied to the personality of the founder. The advice is fucking useless unless it's tied to who you are as a person. Spotify is a reflection of you. Now I do want to talk also about this other great idea that you gave me that now I heard Jeff Bezos echo recently about the fact that there's similarities between like the way your child develops and the way company develops that was very fascinating yeah”
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“I just happened to come along And that will happen again. You don't have to find that next person. They will come along. And I always say they will reveal themselves. So, I do think this is fascinating, and no one else talks about this. Again, the weird thing about talking to you, and I don't mean on a pejorative, it's like you just say stuff that no one else says. And then I'm like, why don't more people understand, like, know about Daniel's very unique ideas? Like no one's concerned about the archetypes. It was like, oh, we just have to be like Steve Jobs. You just have to be like Elon. And your point is like, no, there's like multiple different archetypes. Obviously, like I've studied this maybe more than anybody else in the world. It's very clear. Yeah.”
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“And he said this great thing because, you know, at the end of his career, it's the rise of Kobe Bryant. And everybody's towards the end of his career, they were like obsessed. Like, oh, Tracy McGrady is going to be the next Michael Jordan, and this guy's going to be next Michael Jordan. This guy's next Michael Jordan. And he's like, first, he's like, You don't have to worry about finding the next Michael Jordan. He goes, first of all, you didn't find me.”
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“We were texting back and forth about this, so we should just talk about this now so we don't forget. We were talking about like maybe we should talk about like the archetypes. Different archetypes of entrepreneurs because, like, there could be Know there could be somebody like a young, there's undoubtedly a young Daniel I got there, right? We just know that that's going to happen. There's this great thing. I'm slightly obsessed with Michael Jordan. He's the lock screen on my phone. He's my contact card. So when people like, they start texting me. It's like Michael Jordan with his eyes like this. I'm kind of setting the tone.”
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“Yeah, I certainly think so. And because my leadership style is so different than many of these sort of entrepreneurs that most of us sort of look up to inhale, whether it's the Steve Jobsis or Elon Musk's, et cetera, I just don't feel like There's a vague resemblance with them, but it's just not me. It's like”
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“Is that connected to where you were saying earlier that you might be a better? You think you might be a better coach than employer? Yeah.”
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“Well, you know, again, I do believe that focusing all your time and effort on this one thing and obsess about it and almost to the point where you're not even aware of the rest of the world that goes on is what creates greatness. And I know you can relate to this, but that's how Spotify came to be. I literally couldn't care about anything else for, at the very least. The first 15 years. Only now am I foolish enough to believe that actually, you know what, I might be able to do multiple things at the same time again, which was sort of my spirits in my twenties.”
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“Well, I considered them, but not for money. I consider them because I already had the money that I thought I needed in my life, right? And that was an incredibly powerful position to be in. It was freeing me of constraints. And for me, it was more, you know, as we got approach, it was always about can this thing further our mission? And if I truly believe that there would have been a company that could further our mission and cared about what we cared about as much as we did, I probably would have sold. But I never found that. And because I didn't find that, we just kept going. And it wasn't obvious to me that this would be like something I would do for 20 years. I'll tell you that. But what I did did know is that, you know, I came from doing lots of projects beforehand. And so sort of, you know, we talked about the one company.”
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“Like it is inside of me. There's a bunch of people that say the reason they joined Spotify in the early days is because Daniel would teach us and tell us that he's building for the long term. So there had to be acquisition offers early on. Sure. And did you ever consider them”
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“And this is what I draw inspiration off of it's just like going back to what you said earlier about impact and contentment and how like you're willing to go into an area where it's like you know it's difficult Love what Jeff Bezos said about this. He's just like, he tells the people, he used to tell people in Amazon at the very beginning, he's like, we're trying to build something that we can be proud of, something that we can tell our grandkids about. Anything that you're going to be proud to tell your grandkids about is not going to be easy So we're going into this with he gave himself like a 30% chance of success. I think Spotify, you know, you're guys like, hey, we're going to, I might have to get a job after this, but I have to do this.”
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“Pursuing this is like something I'm super passionate about because you know, if you really think about it, like they don't write biographies about people that like start, scale, sell a company and do it for like five years. I'm not interested in that. I'm not interested in your startup. I'm interested in your last company. I'm interested in something you're going to do for the rest of your life.”
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“And so, you know, I knew I wanted to do that. And I also knew that my co-founder, Martin, he has this thing he keeps saying, the value of a company is the sum of all problem solved. And so what I keep doing is essentially I've got this toolbox called a computer. And I got all these problems around the world. Which problems am I passionate about solving? And at which problems can I spend the next decade of my life fixing? Because if I'm not interested enough in it to spend a decade fixing, it's probably not worth pursuing.”
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“Through computers, right? Steve Jobs has the saying it's the bicycle of our mind, which was really how I felt about computers like growing up. It's just this magic tool that allows me to solve so many other things and create things.”
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“I don't know that I'm good. I know I'm different But I have this sort of insane belief that I can get good if I try hard enough. And I still feel that way, by the way, because the comparative sets has changed, right? Like, you know, it was from everyone in my school maybe in the early days to everyone in Stockholm somewhat later to everyone in Europe at some point. And now it's like the most brilliant entrepreneurs of our time that I'm constantly comparing myself to. And obviously, I don't believe that I'm as good as them. But I believe I am slightly different than them in some ways. And I believe that if I work really, really hard on something, I can make something really great. And that's the sort of bar that I keep for myself. And for me, it really stems also from sort of this notion back to what you were talking about about sort of the realization that”
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“Right. And yet, in his book, he says, I don't have a problem saying even then I knew I had potential and I could be great and I could do great things. He had the belief before the ability. You said, I don't even know it was called entrepreneurship. I'm starting to build things. And this is the question I have for you. When did you know you were”
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“More than half the population has left the city. They start with what turns out to be Sony, which is one of the most successful, influential companies of all time, in a burned out department store. One of my favorite anecdotes in the book is they need to have umbrellas on their desks because when it rains, it comes through the roof.”
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“And they're always just like, yeah, you know, my belief, and something that I repeat on murder, this maxim, that belief comes before ability. It's in these stories every single time you have somebody, like I just reread the biography, the autobiography of the founder of Sony. Aquila at the time was we're going to start this company in 1946. In Tokyo That's occupied by the Americans that is completely has been firebombed. He's passing, he's going to work, and he's passing just burnt out rubble. Millions of homes of Japanese.”
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“This is another thing that drives me insane because I hear other people's advice to entrepreneurs, which I hate. I think it's like terrible. We shouldn't have an entrepreneurial ecosystem, especially because most of the media that entrepreneurs are consuming are actually from investors and you have wildly different incentive structure and everything else. And it just conflicts with a lot of stuff that's in the biographies. And I'll just go with those guys or anybody else, right?”
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“Yeah, but it started even earlier than that. I just didn't know it was called a company. I had no idea what finances were or VC or any of these things. I was just building things and I knew I loved computers and I knew I wanted to do that and I knew I would make a living doing that somehow.”
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“Yeah, it's probably the most depressed I've been in my life, to be honest, because I knew from a very young age what I wanted to do. And it was unlike most other people that I grew up with, I just knew I wanted to build things.”
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“And if you look at it like that, it's like then you have infinite possibilities and opportunities all the time because there's infinite small and large ways to make other people's lives better. You weren't at that time making anybody else's life better. You were just kind of consuming. Would you consider yourself depressed? What would you consider yourself?”
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“Have money to buy an expensive thing. What did you make? Because the way I think about this all the time, which is always fascinating, how many times this comes up in the biographies for hundreds of years, people constantly think like, oh, we've reached the end. There's no more opportunity. And every single time humans keep saying, it's like this can be the last company. This is going to be the last technological shift. This can be the last invention. And the best description of a business I've ever heard came from Richard Branson. And he said, all the businesses is an idea that makes somebody else's life better.”
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“There's no impact I'm making on the world. I'm just consuming. I'm not producing anything. This is something I talk about all the time. I think sometimes we have a sick culture where people, especially on social media, they glorify consumption. It's like, I don't care. I don't care what you consume. I care what you produce. You should be proud not that you.”
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“Depressed when you don't have your company anymore, you sold it, you have the number you thought it was going to take you till four decades to reach. You reach it now. Going to the clubs, you're realizing these people aren't my friends, they don't care about me at all.”
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